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| [06:09:37] | dekarl: | stuartm, gigem: the xmltv configuration needs some Tender Loving Care wrt datatypes (e.g. split "string" into more meaningful "path on the filesystem" and other stuff that can be presented better then with a plan text input box). Also Nick and me should finish up our lineup schema so the new setup can automatically match and mix the guide channels to the tv channels. |
| [06:10:35] | dekarl: | its a bit of a chicken and egg problem. I keep pushing that into "the next release" to make free time to finally do other upgrades (like switch to the new tmdb api before the old one gets shut down) |
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| [09:25:46] | jya: | dekarl: I have no idea what you mean by " if I have a music video playing on the ipad and want to switch output to the frontend midstream that doesnt work." |
| [09:25:53] | jya: | do you mean via airplay ? |
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| [10:44:36] | dekarl: | jya, I was avoiding the Airplay/ROAP/ terms as I'm not sure which one is the correct thing. Yes likely Airplay |
| [10:58:01] | jya_: | so you start playback on your iPad, then select myth as fronted and playback fails |
| [10:59:26] | jya_: | i've had cases where I have to do it more than once, you select myth as screen you see myth starts and then fails |
| [10:59:58] | jya_: | you have to do it a few times before it works. |
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| [11:03:10] | dekarl: | aye, it works around the tenth time, but if it worked once its likely to work the next time. To get it to not work again I have to restart mythfrontend |
| [11:03:38] | jya_: | problem is the timing and the order of events... We don't know playback has started at the time we have to answer the iPhone. |
| [11:03:55] | jya_: | and usually the iPhone then decides it failed and send a disconnect |
| [11:04:11] | jya_: | that started with the latest ios |
| [11:05:14] | dekarl: | ok, so you are aware. I want to avoid that there are issues around Airplay without you knowing. |
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| [11:15:31] | jya_: | i've seen it yes... getting around what the iPhone is expecting and what we can actually provide is not easy ... |
| [11:15:43] | jya_: | we have our limitation in how we are starting |
| [11:16:07] | jya_: | like to start playback, we have to send an event, which isn't blocking. you never know for sure when playback has started |
| [11:17:51] | jya_: | problem is that I can't reproduce it on my dev box; only on one of my frontend which is connected to the main tv |
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| [12:03:44] | knightr: | stuartm, my comment is not against you, it's just that I didn't find comments against what I said yesterday very constructive... |
| [12:07:06] | dekarl: | stuartm, I'd love to see us branching now so I can push out the collected cppcheck/coverity/buildbot-compile-warning fixes so we don't duplicate each others work in that area |
| [12:07:44] | jya_: | knightr: you're reading too much into things... |
| [12:08:04] | jya_: | stuartm: I have a few more bug fixes I'm about to commit |
| [12:08:04] | knightr: | jya_, just like you do sometimes... |
| [12:08:46] | knightr: | nobody like to be on the receiving ends of comments like that... |
| [12:08:50] | jya_: | stuartm: but can cherry=pick easily to whatever branch |
| [12:08:51] | knightr: | s/like/likes |
| [12:09:07] | knightr: | ttyl |
| [12:09:24] | jya_: | knightr: was actually going to expand further, but I didn't want to continue on what I feel was mostly off-topic... |
| [12:09:39] | stuartm: | knightr: jya_: everyone does it, it's a very unfortunate nature of discussing everything via email/IRC instead of in-person, face to face where you can see body language, facial expressions and tone of voice |
| [12:11:11] | jya_: | i had one topic in mind, and yet again it get lost on irrelevant technical details which have nothing with the topic at hand... just like the example I listed: i talked about redesign of a web site, and within a day 90% of the mail thread is an argument about apache vs something else... |
| [12:11:51] | stuartm: | it's why video conferencing was invented and why more work gets done over a few pints than might otherwise be achieved in weeks of on-line dialogue |
| [12:12:26] | stuartm: | it's just a shame that we're not all in the same country so that we could regularly meet in person for a few beers |
| [12:12:48] | jya_: | i'll host the barby when everyone comes to Oz :) |
| [12:13:15] | stuartm: | jya_: why did I think you were in NZ? |
| [12:13:42] | jya_: | :) despite how much the locals think otherwise, both the same :) |
| [12:15:42] | stuartm: | I might one day go over to Australia again, I've got a lot of family over there, now including my sister who looks set to marry an Australian |
| [12:15:49] | jya_: | I'm in NY in 2 weeks, if anyone is in the area, would be nice to meet |
| [12:15:52] | stuartm: | of course stuarta is half australian |
| [12:16:16] | jya_: | half Australian that makes him 3/4 English I gather :P |
| [12:16:41] | stuartm: | Scottish |
| [12:17:34] | stuartm: | but that's a distinction that only us little islanders make |
| [12:18:58] | jya_: | As I keep arguing with my father in-law (who keeps saying is half Welsh)... If that "country" doesn't issue a passport, as far as I'm concerned, it doesn't exist |
| [12:19:40] | stuartm: | I want to get the remote dvd patch, the new mythgallery patch and a few other things into master now – those alone would get us pretty far along towards finishing those features I think are needed for the next release |
| [12:20:18] | jya_: | for the remote DVD, that patch has been in the pipeline for a long time, and from my reading of the user list, in use for quite a while |
| [12:20:22] | jya_: | so to me that's tested enough |
| [12:21:36] | stuartm: | well if the Welsh and Scottish get their way, they soon will be issuing their own passports :) Though it might come as a shock to Scotland when we refuse them access to England |
| [12:23:04] | jya_: | With the future King being the prince of Wales... it's hard to image separating the two |
| [12:24:28] | jya_: | ohhhh... just got an idea on how to get around the python plugins on the mac... |
| [12:24:40] | stuartm: | Prince of Wales is just a title, nothing more, the family has no Welsh ancestry and is in fact German ... |
| [12:24:57] | jya_: | aren't they of Norman ascendance ? |
| [12:25:29] | ** jya_ wikipedia windsor ... ** | |
| [12:27:02] | jya_: | ah yes... real name is Saxe-Coburg... get to learn something new everyday |
| [12:29:45] | stuartm: | the Duke of Windsor (Queen's husband) is Greek ... royal families across Europe have a very mixed ancestry and almost none of it connects them to the countries in which they are Monarchs – centuries of princes and princesses marrying nobles from other countries as a way of ensuring a truce, peace between their nations |
| [12:30:49] | jya_: | Well, they could have gone the Egyptian way :) |
| [12:31:00] | jya_: | though the end result probably would be similar as today! |
| [12:31:48] | stuartm: | heh |
| [12:35:17] | ** jya_ is lucky he isn't Thai ** | |
| [12:36:36] | Merlin83b: | The remote DVD patch sounds like something I was looking at only yesterday, except I was looking AoE. Can't find any clues in the user list about it – anyone got a link? |
| [12:57:34] | stuartm: | Merlin83b: #11602 |
| [12:57:34] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11602 ** | |
| [12:59:07] | Merlin83b: | Thank you :) |
| [13:02:23] | jya_: | stuaso are you going to put it in ? |
| [13:02:29] | jya_: | for 0.27 that is. |
| [13:16:16] | jya_: | dekarl: why would cpp complain for doing _data + m_offset vs &_data[m_offset];? the two are strictly equivalent |
| [13:16:55] | jya_: | (personally prefer the earlier) |
| [13:21:06] | stuartm: | jya_: the remote dvd patch? I'd be happier if it got some testing in master first, then maybe backport it to 0.27.1 in a month or so |
| [13:22:41] | stuartm: | I wanted it to go into 0.27, but I never really convinced enough people to test it – should have just pushed it instead of opening that ticket 2 months ago :/ |
| [13:26:28] | jya_: | i can test it if you want... |
| [13:26:38] | jya_: | i did use the original patch a while back |
| [13:27:08] | jya_: | what about relocating animation thingy ? :) (no i don't give up) |
| [13:33:14] | jya_: | hmmmm... the the fronted tries to write a file to a storage group after downloading the coverart and it fails. On the backend it wrote a 0 bytes file. As the file now exists, trying to retrieve the artwork will always fail as it thinks the file already exists |
| [13:47:47] | dekarl: | jya_ its a integer vs. pointer thing. cppcheck thinks its not portable. maybe because its int vs. intptr_t... I found it easiest to simply use a consistent style of &var[offset] for the unsigned chars |
| [13:48:29] | dekarl: | personally I prefer the latter (as you have likely guessed from the patch ;) |
| [13:48:38] | jya_: | dekarl: it is a false positive... there's no issue converting an int to a intptr_t, it will always fit |
| [13:49:25] | jya_: | and it is portable |
| [13:49:35] | dekarl: | jya_ from my understanding the implicit conversion to int will break on platforms where int is 32bit but a pointer is 64bit. |
| [13:49:37] | jya_: | imagine otherwise, you couldn't pointer += 1 |
| [13:49:45] | jya_: | or pointer += strlent(blah) |
| [13:50:27] | jya_: | no it will not |
| [13:50:36] | dekarl: | e.g. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/3b2e7499.aspx |
| [13:51:21] | jya_: | adding a pointer and a int is a C/C++ standard |
| [13:52:21] | jya_: | when you add a pointer to an int, the result is always a pointer |
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| [13:53:33] | jya_: | From: ISO/IEC 9899:2: When an expression that has integer type is added to or subtracted from a pointer, the result has the type of the pointer operand. If the pointer operand points to an element of an array object, and the array is large enough, the result points to an element offset from the original element such that the difference of the subscripts of the resulting and original array elements equals the integer expression |
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| [13:56:47] | jya_: | if cpp bitch about it, that's a bug and it should be reported to cppcheck |
| [13:56:48] | dekarl: | jya_ good to know. Looks like a bug in cppcheck then. I have no hard opinion either way as long as we try to be consistent... => if there is agreement we should add it to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Coding_Standards |
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| [15:22:18] | jya_: | knightr: I'd like to add a new string related to the network settings (so you can disable IPv6) only giving me grief today ... could use an empty string in the settings; but i don't feel that's very user friendly |
| [15:25:30] | jya_: | actually, never mind.. I'll use an empty string instead.. would otherwise require too much changes as in various places it tests for an empty string to assume that no ipv6 is enabled |
| [15:26:27] | jya_: | danielk22: when the backend starts, it loops through all file no and close them... what's the point with this ? |
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| [17:05:43] | sphery: | jya_: it's a part of daemonizing |
| [17:05:59] | sphery: | it only happens when you use -d |
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| [17:22:09] | danielk22: | jya_: What sphery said. |
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| [19:59:30] | peper03: | sphery: Had a few spare minutes – http://pastebin.com/0nCW8QAF |
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| [20:03:57] | peper03: | I think the string will need changing as 'This episode' is a bit odd for a playlist, and the normal menu entry appears under 'Recording Options', which doesn't exist for playlists, so I just put it in the playlist menu. |
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| [20:10:13] | jpabq: | natanojl: you are correct. I have put up a new version of the patch http://code.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket . . . L2-VBI.patch |
| [20:12:48] | stichnot: | peper03: Looks good! With that already-translated string, I would advocate committing it for 0.27, and "fix" the string after the release. |
| [20:21:31] | stichnot: | peper03: I think it could go under Storage Options, as it's little different from manipulating the autoexpire or watched flags. |
| [20:21:59] | natanojl: | jpabq: Good. I saw the email from trac but haven't tried the updated patch yet. I don't think I'll try it until Friday if that's ok. I'm a bit too tired now after preparing for a gig at a party at work tomorrow. |
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| [20:28:42] | peper03: | stichnot: Ok, moving it to Storage Options isn't a problem. |
| [20:30:10] | peper03: | Ooh, that's clever! The translation stuff automatically handles "is %n item(s)" and shows either "is 1 item" or "are x items". Nice :) |
| [20:37:59] | stuartm: | yup, it is indeed very clever, even works for languages which have multiple plurality states i.e. instead of just single & plural, some languages have single/two/plural endings for words |
| [20:39:33] | peper03: | you/y'all and possible youse? :) |
| [20:39:56] | peper03: | possibly |
| [20:40:06] | stuartm: | there may still be places where it's unused though, when I did the intial conversion I grepped for strings which were commonly pluralised e.g. 'second/minute/hour/day(s), item(s), recording/video/track(s)' |
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| [20:41:33] | stuartm: | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plural#Formation_of_plurals |
| [20:42:07] | stuartm: | shame they don't actually give a specific example there |
| [20:43:00] | peper03: | I seem to remember that Old English had different forms of 'we' for 'we two' and 'we more-than-two'. Do we have an Old English translation? Probably not :) |
| [20:43:25] | jpabq: | natanojl: I am tempted to go ahead and commit it. Then, if you discover a problem with it, I can either revert it, or come up with a solution. |
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| [20:57:01] | peper03: | stuartm: I always liked the line from Mark Twain "I heard a Californian student in Heidelberg say, in one of his calmest moods, that he would rather decline two drinks than one German adjective." |
| [21:09:09] | stuartm: | not studied German, some basics yes, but I stopped before I really got started – the romantic languages Spanish and Portuguese especially seemed more interesting and useful – German not being a language spoken much outside central Europe |
| [21:10:59] | stuartm: | but I can certainly appreciate the quote, German is a tricky language |
| [21:13:18] | stuartm: | I wonder if that Twain quote, which I vaguely remember hearing before, is from A Tramp Abroad which I started reading recently (it was free on Kindle, and I like free) |
| [21:13:57] | peper03: | It's from "The Awful German Language". It's very tongue-in-cheek, but it makes me chuckle – "In the hospital yesterday, a word of thirteen syllables was successfully removed from a patient". |
| [21:14:39] | stuartm: | heh, yeah, he's got a great sense of humour |
| [21:15:24] | peper03: | If you can remember rules, German grammar isn't too bad in the sense that it's probably quite a bit more regular than English, but there are a *lot* of rules! |
| [21:15:44] | stuartm: | actually, seems I'm wrong, I picked up A Tramp Abroad and Following the Equator, but it's the latter than I've started reading |
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| [21:16:44] | stuartm: | I don't suppose Twain would have liked Welsh |
| [21:18:39] | peper03: | From the little I know of it, I doubt it. Changing letters depending on what sounds come before/after them seems confusing enough to me :) |
| [21:19:19] | peper03: | I've always wished I *could* speak it, though. |
| [21:22:01] | stuartm: | once picked up a book on Welsh, but quickly realised you have to hear it spoken to understand the pronunciation and once I heard enough of it spoken (welsh tv/radio) I realised that I'm just not capable of forming those sounds :) |
| [21:22:45] | stuartm: | my welsh ancestors would be ashamed |
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| [21:25:59] | peper03: | I can manage the 'll' but that's about it! Always makes me smile to see absorbed English words written in Welsh orthography. Siop, miwsig, siocled etc. |
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| [21:26:40] | stuartm: | one of my all time favourite words is the Portuguese – xampu |
| [21:26:53] | peper03: | :) |
| [21:26:54] | stuartm: | or shampoo |
| [21:28:10] | stuartm: | of course shampoo is a borrowed word anyway, Indian iirc |
| [21:28:58] | stuartm: | but it's the Portuguese spelling that makes it interesting |
| [21:32:29] | sphery: | peper03: nice, and thanks |
| [21:33:14] | sphery: | peper03: perhaps after release we can change the text to "Allow re-record" (since it's a new string, not until after release), but I like the idea of re-using the single-episode text so it can go in now |
| [21:33:16] | peper03: | I've got an introduction to Welsh here as well. Has the typical stuff in it that is no use unless you already speak the language – "Ydych chi'n hwyliwr brwd?" – "Are you a keen yachtsman?" |
| [21:33:50] | peper03: | sphery: Yeah, 'this episode' makes no sense in a playlist (unless it's a playlist of one, of course!). |
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| [22:18:43] | peper03: | I noticed the other day that the Mythbuntu theme doesn't allow continuous scrolling in the image gallery (e.g. pressing 'right' in the most right-hand column doesn't move to the first column on the next line). Steppes works ok but I see that other themes have the same issue. Is that something that needs changing in every theme or are they using some default? |
| [22:22:22] | peper03: | jbapq: Going into the image gallery in Steppes shows 'Video Gallery' at the bottom of the screen. |
| [22:47:54] | jpabq: | peper03: Ug! It would have been nicer if you had noticed that a couple of days ago. Now I am going to have to bump the version — again! ;-) |
| [22:48:22] | jpabq: | peper03: Each themer gets to choose the cursor behavior they want, in a situation like that. |
| [22:50:44] | peper03: | jpabq: That's what I was afraid of. Is that the '<wrapstyle>' tag? The Mythbuntu theme doesn't seem to specify that at all. |
| [22:53:10] | jpabq: | The default <wrapstyle> is None. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Theme_Devel . . . nlist_widget |
| [22:53:11] | peper03: | Neither does the default gallery-ui.xml. Not having wrap-around makes navigation a bit less pleasant than it could be. |
| [22:53:40] | jpabq: | I (obviously) agree with you '-) |
| [22:57:25] | peper03: | So not defining <wrapstyle> may be more an oversight than intention. Hmm. |
| [23:06:03] | jpabq: | I don't know. Some people actually seem to like it not to wrap. |
| [23:09:03] | knightr: | sphery, peper03 if it was a fix of some kind (which it had to be anyway to be committed now AFAIK) it is still OK to add strings... |
| [23:09:25] | knightr: | (you have until the first RC...) |
| [23:12:56] | knightr: | stichnot ^ |
| [23:15:36] | knightr: | peper03, stuartm there are languages that have up to 5 or 6 (including the singular), Arabic for example... |
| [23:16:13] | knightr: | 3 is pretty common too, Polish and other slavic languages have 3 IIRC... |
| [23:17:01] | knightr: | stuartm, I try to convert those (day(s), minute(s), etc...) as I see them and if they can be resused I put them in their own translation context... |
| [23:17:28] | jpabq: | knightr: Assuming you are still translating Steppes, I just pushed a version which adds "Image Gallery". I am surprised no one noticed that cut-n-paste error before... |
| [23:17:50] | jpabq: | knightr: BTW, thank you very much for driving the 0.27 release. |
| [23:18:06] | knightr: | peper03, the main reason why we have a US English translation is to handle the plurals... I'll update it most likely this week-end.. |
| [23:19:16] | knightr: | jpabq, we still are and both versions (I assume they must have all or almost all the same strings but we don't take any chances... |
| [23:19:57] | jpabq: | Yes, Steppes and Steppes-narrow are identical string wise. Really, the only difference is positions and sizes of elements. |
| [23:20:22] | jya_: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/78197 . . . 44f503567f47 ; isn't that new feature? also new strings , and not using proper capitalisation... |
| [23:21:46] | jya_: | not sure I see the link between an "episode |
| [23:22:21] | jya_: | (as described in the menu) and a playlist (as the commit and the code itself suggest) |
| [23:22:51] | jya_: | peper03: /\ |
| [23:23:53] | jya_: | never mind, read your comments earlier |
| [23:25:08] | jya_: | sphery: I do not run mythbackend in daemon mode; yet it loop and closes all descriptor in the first few lines of main(); this isn't code activated only in daemon mode |
| [23:27:28] | jya_: | sphery, danielk22 : https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . main.cpp#L76 |
| [23:28:12] | jya_: | the only thing that occurs when demonising is the extra close(0) |
| [23:40:45] | knightr: | peper03, stuartm, the bigger problem with %n is that only one per string is allowed, it kinda make it a pain to enumerate things (I understand though why they did it, handling all the possible permuations would be a pita as welll...) |
| [23:45:47] | knightr: | jya_, peper03 the thing is Jean-Yves you are right, this sounds more like a feature than a bug fix... Personnally though I am OK with it going in and I assume most (if not all) of us are OK with it going in so if it needs a new string it might as well go in before the hard string freeze... |
| [23:46:21] | knightr: | (I read the thread on the mailing list...) |
| [23:46:30] | jya_: | agreed: if we add a new feature, let's make it right and have the proper text for it |
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