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Wednesday, August 14th, 2013, 00:06 UTC
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[00:06:09] jya: stuartm: you use ubuntu now? I thought you used an obscure distribution (can't remember the name now)
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[00:31:54] pvr4me: Hi: I'm trying to build 0.26-fixes on a Core Duo machine but configure bails saying "No aligned memory allocator but SSE enabled ..."
[00:32:19] pvr4me: 0.25 built OK on this machine.
[00:33:34] pvr4me: configure used to set malloc_aligned for Darwin (and other OS) but that was apparently removed in an ffmpeg resync
[00:34:14] pvr4me: Do I really need to use --enable-mem-align-hack?
[00:48:54] pvr4me: Hmmm, just did as told and looked at config.ep, it ends with an error message "ld: library not found -lrt"
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[01:01:55] jya: pvr4me: don't use the mem align hack
[01:01:55] jya: which machine are you building on ?
[01:01:56] pvr4me: An older Mac Mini
[01:02:01] jya: it doesn't really matter if a lib is missing, config.ep will show you the entire log of configure… without librt you won't have the option to enable realtime features
[01:02:06] pvr4me: OS X 10.5.8
[01:02:21] jya: is it a core duo or core 2 duo?
[01:02:32] pvr4me: Core Duo (32 bit)
[01:02:38] jya: how much ram?
[01:02:43] pvr4me: 2 GB
[01:03:11] jya: http://www.avenard.org/files/mythtv/mac/MythF . . . its-10.5.dmg
[01:03:15] jya: use that instead
[01:03:41] jya: it's an absolute pain to compile a 32 bits version of mythtv these days, because Qt doesn't ship any Qt 32 bits
[01:04:00] jya: that's an old build that I built in a 10.6 VM
[01:04:12] pvr4me: yabut, this is for MacPorts. And yes, it took hours to build Qt from source!
[01:04:35] jya: i thought macport finally had resolved all issues for 0.25?
[01:04:58] jya: maybe you should try updating your xcode
[01:05:02] pvr4me: Yup, 0.25 is fine; this is 0.26-fixes
[01:05:06] jya: on a mac, there's no need for aligned memory
[01:05:17] jya: macos's malloc is aligned by default
[01:05:31] jya: so no need for fancy workaround
[01:06:05] jya: do you just want a frontend or you want the whole lot?
[01:06:19] pvr4me: OK, I'll add a simple patch that forces memory alignment
[01:06:55] pvr4me: My port always installs the full frontend and backend; user chooses what to run
[01:08:01] pvr4me: Personally, I just test building on that machine although it did surprisingly well with 720P and 1080i OTA
[01:08:27] pvr4me: Some dropped frames but not horrific
[01:08:34] jya: i can't remember which graphic adapter is in that one..
[01:08:42] jya: but i don't believe it supports VDA
[01:09:29] pvr4me: GMA 950
[01:09:39] jya: yeah that's right… so no vda, and not much better running on linux either
[01:10:31] jya: i think it's just borderline for anything. I have a core 2 duo @ 2GHz, and when running the 64 builds, as it's about 5–6% slower, its just too slow to play some 1080i mpeg2 streams
[01:10:37] jya: must run the 32 bits build
[01:11:36] jya: reminds me that I have to finish the packager to package the python/perl myth extension
[01:12:02] jya: problem with that is python only works on the machine it was compiled for
[01:12:07] jya: so a 10.9 build will only work on 10,9 etc
[01:12:13] pvr4me: "Work flows to the competent until they're submerged"!
[01:12:34] jya: rather annoying having now to provide 3 or 4 builds one for each version of mac os
[01:12:49] jya: interesting say… I guess I take this as a compliment :)
[01:13:12] pvr4me: With MacPorts, I force the install of a specific version of Python and all the required modules are built with it
[01:13:42] jya: yeah, but I need to manage with the built-in version of python
[01:13:57] pvr4me: Understood
[01:14:11] jya: and apple has built python with a flag that checks the version and it must match to run
[01:14:37] jya: something about "python was built with flag xxx, but module built with yyy: aborting
[01:14:50] jya: and flag xxx is --mac-version=10.x
[01:15:30] jya: pretty much kills the whole idea of shipping python binaries packaged
[01:15:41] pvr4me: So, you pretty much need an installer script to build the modules during the install?
[01:16:33] pvr4me: I know that's possible with a .dmg installer but I've never really looked at it
[01:16:49] jya: that's right… I simply installed the missing python plugins (sql, time and another one). Then when the frontend starts, I force the python libraries path environment variable so it first search in the application bundle
[01:17:07] jya: if I was to use an installer, then yes, you could do it at install time
[01:17:27] jya: but I wanted to keep a simple self-contained .app. so need to do it at build time
[01:17:58] jya: maybe I should revisit the issue and create an installer instead
[01:18:11] jya: would be much simpler
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[01:22:56] pvr4me: Going back to the memory alignment issue, I don't understand why the test fails on the Core Duo machine but works on my other (64 bit) Macs? What should the full name of the missing library be (-lrt)?
[01:24:03] pvr4me: Is it something that came with 10.6+?
[01:28:46] jya: pvr4me: there's no replacement for librt on a mac… librt is a unix (linux/solaris) lib
[01:29:43] jya: configure looks for it, doesn't find it so config.h doesn't have the real time (and so you don't get to see the real-time options that shows normally in the playback config)
[01:29:53] jya: IMHO, they serve no purpose on modern machine
[01:30:29] jya: pvr4me: it's likely no one in ffmpeg bothered to check their changes would break something on 10.5 running in 32 bits machines
[01:31:08] jya: I mean, only one generation of mac used that processor almost 6 years ago
[01:32:30] pvr4me: OK, so it is a harmless message that just happened to get logged to config.ep at about the time it failed the memory alignment test?
[01:32:57] jya: probably
[01:33:44] jya: in 0.27 the requirement for aligned memory is gone anyway.. will just run slower
[01:36:55] pvr4me: Just put config.ep in my dropbox if you want a look: https://www.dropbox.com/s/d4or3a8ug6y6rfk/config.ep
[01:42:53] jya: I guess if on 32 bits you could enable memalign-hack
[01:43:09] jya: doesnt' really matter on a mac
[01:43:16] jya: unless 10.5 is different.. let me check
[01:44:08] jya: nope; same deal: The allocated memory is aligned such that it can be
[01:44:09] jya: used for any data type, including AltiVec- and SSE-related types. The
[01:44:10] jya: free() function frees allocations that were created via the preceding
[01:44:11] jya: allocation functions.
[01:44:26] jya: that's from man malloc on my 10.5 VM
[01:44:56] pvr4me: OK, I'll just force it
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[03:26:58] jya: wagnerrp: where can I retrieve the hash of a particular file in the video library? Is it stored in the VideoMetadata ?
[03:28:46] jya: ah.. GetHish
[03:28:48] jya: GetHash
[03:35:13] tonsofpcs: Feature request: option to ignore PSIP. Feature request: option to use last known PSIP if PSIP disappears
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[04:39:46] jya: what's psip?
[04:43:18] dekarl: the Service Information, like PAT/PMT to tell you which progams there are and what components each has
[04:43:31] dekarl: PSIP is the ATSC style name and SI the DVB style name
[05:09:00] dekarl: tonsofpcs: we already have feature request #7205, add PSIP generation for transports which lack PAT/PMT
[05:09:00] ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7205 **
[05:48:29] jya: stuartm: would there be an easy (and fast) way to to integrate the "busy" animation within a notification? or are the images etc.. used of a static size?
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[08:40:15] jya: knightr: I'm adding (well, more accurately), I'm replacing two strings for the metadata search in mythvideo
[08:51:46] jya: has anyone attempted to compile a frontend for the pi ?
[08:52:32] jya: Interested into doing something like that, I have a jailbroken ATV2 running xbmc but that sucks : crashes all the time
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[08:58:49] jya: seems someone has made packages for it… cool… may look into adding support for hardware decoding then
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[11:06:37] knightr: jya, ok, thank you!
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[11:17:00] stuarta: man the f19–32bit builder is slow. since updating it to f19 it's taking ~1hr per build
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[12:03:53] jya_: wagnerrp: the file hash as returned by GetHash, or even calculated is returned as "NULL" ; do you now the reason? this cause that only one metadata search at a time is allowed. Probably reduce the potential for bugs that way, so not sure I'll look more into it
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[12:10:31] bobweaver: Hey all I have made a offline installer for all the sdk stuff that I have been working on. I am uploading a video and will post here when uploaded
[12:22:22] stuarta: which sdk is that?
[12:24:02] bobweaver: stuarta, the one that I have been working on for the last 5 months
[12:24:29] bobweaver: it makes the frontend in qml and has a whole sdk kit that comes with all the libs that I have made
[12:25:33] bobweaver: buttons to hack on the backend and mythlibs and what not also. has a tool to view db and change it, has all the services api and help section built in and has other tools also
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[12:27:06] bobweaver: I have also made a offline installer that is cross platform and can be installed on anything vanilla
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[12:27:32] bobweaver: stuarta, Youtube says that the video will be uploaded in 20 minutes
[12:28:05] bobweaver: has error checking seg checking valgrind mem checking ect also
[12:30:18] bobweaver: stuarta, it is a hacked up version of qtcreator for the IDE
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[12:47:53] bobweaver: Her is a video of the installer in action http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0zfMO9LihU Hope you all like it :)
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[13:04:39] jya: it copies files !!!! amazing :)
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[13:27:04] bobweaver: lol jya yeah it is the compiling that takes the time
[13:31:23] bobweaver: jya, it is better then a command line install it is better then what is being used atm. so dont see why there is a issue. I mean no one has to use it. and no one has. all I know is that I never have to update my frontend anymore or DB for frontend or deal with bugs from legacy code
[13:31:38] bobweaver: IE stupid things
[13:32:30] bobweaver: like if music db schema is off I dont have to worry about that in front end. I also have a gui to make frontend themes and it is 10X more powerful then the XML stuff that is used atm
[13:32:50] bobweaver: in fact it is more powerful then the xml stuff used for xbmc
[13:32:56] bobweaver: themes that is
[13:33:47] jya: i wasn't commenting on the tools, the sdk or the product itself
[13:34:05] bobweaver: Or Myth could stay in the dark ages and not be able to install full frontends to android and other things. And just be plugins.
[13:34:11] jya: but making a 4 minutes videos about the installer …. i find it funny.. maybe it's just me
[13:34:34] bobweaver: no it is not just you I also find it funny
[13:34:57] bobweaver: I also find things like DB schema funny and things not recording on time funny
[13:36:12] jya: riiiight
[13:37:05] bobweaver: I also find things like this to be crazy (qsql not loading) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJz2POAJFNM
[13:38:11] bobweaver: I have tried everything that I can to get qsql to load the driver but it will not. make /me want to snap.
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[13:48:50] bobweaver: I also have to fix up the Guide. I need to add popup if mythfill is needed for guide (SD) also need to either 1 make a c++ function that sorts the time of the shows coming back from the services api or just query the db itself and make ListView/Model out of that. either way it is a pain in the ....
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[13:50:50] bobweaver: in other words the services api is not returning the guide back in order of time and is just giving random time after time like 8am --10am next would be something like 7:30pm — 8:00pm just not in order
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[15:23:53] stuartm: incidentally that sanity check is annoying when you've intentionally used a read-only share e.g. for videos that you don't want the family to accidentally delete
[15:24:43] stuartm: think we need a more intelligent approach, do the checks at the time the user adds the storage location not every single time you exit mythtv-setup
[15:25:09] stuartm: wagnerrp: ^^
[15:33:04] sphery: just disable the check since a) mythtv-setup needs replacing and b) users can specify directories that exist only on other systems when defining their master backend SG directory lists
[15:33:17] sphery: besides the read-only or whatever else
[15:33:23] sphery: and it seems the check does more harm than good
[15:33:52] sphery: if the user defines a bad directory and we can't write to it when we're told to, just give them a good runtime error and let them miss the recording
[15:34:18] sphery: stuartm: ^^^
[15:35:32] sphery: and it will close out #10287, too
[15:35:32] ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10287 **
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[16:01:22] dblain: bobweaver: as for the service api not returning the guide in time order... seems to me that fixing the service would be better than trying to work around it.
[16:02:09] dblain: The Service API is a work in progress... needs as much attention as it can get.
[16:02:52] bobweaver: dblain, thanks yeah I have been thinking about that I am sure that a simple sql statement add on ORDERBY or a ASSCED thingy would not be that hard
[16:03:03] bobweaver: dblain, I could not figure out the bug system
[16:04:41] bobweaver: but you are right I should look into this, I just hate waiting :)
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[16:05:40] dblain: I'm trying to find more time to work on mythtv... if you have a patch for it, I will see if I can get it committed as soon as the freeze is lifted.
[16:06:50] bobweaver: when is the freeze lifted ?
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[16:08:47] dblain: not sure... should be in the next couple/few weeks... depends on how the RC goes.
[16:17:30] bobweaver: thanks dblain
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[17:12:22] dekarl: stuartm, btw http://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/commit/?id . . . a8bf107c58d1 introduced a signedness mismatch in musiccommon.cpp:2234
[17:30:54] stuartm: ugh, I forgot that QT insist on using signed ints for .size() and .count() despite a negative value being impossible
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[21:16:57] Captain_Murdoch: wagnerrp, I wonder if that guy is running some mythtv-setup wrapper or a distro that inserted the directory for him.
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[22:18:41] Blue1: I am having an issue running mythtv-setup – posted in the forum, they directed me here instead.
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