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Friday, August 9th, 2013, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:17] jya_: gigem: I don't how will be able to manage the unit test then… for some reasons, the libraries must be given to the linker for some linux distributions, even when not used… I have no idea why it's occurring for some
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[00:13:12] jya_: wonder why you have to specify libs like that...
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[03:09:22] gigem: jya_: Thanks for the fix. FWIW, it's worth considering removing the options to disable mheg and hdhomerun support. On my system, the libraries are only 3MB and 300kB and that's with a profile build.
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[08:33:43] stuartm: stuarta: have you started on the coverity builder yet?
[08:38:37] stuarta: nope.
[08:38:49] stuarta: i'll see if i can get to it later
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[08:59:28] stuartm: ok, doing a manual build now as the last submission was three weeks ago
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[09:08:25] paul-h: jya: this is new 'profiling:/media/src/mythtv-git-clean/mythtv/mythtv/libs/libmyth/test/test_audi oconvert/moc_test_audioconvert.gcda:Version mismatch – expected 407* got 405*'
[09:08:58] paul-h: any ideas what that all about?
[09:10:47] paul-h: stuartm: last time I looked Coverity was having big problems and had to revert to a previous version of their database or something like that losing all the ticket triaging done for the previous two builds
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[09:12:48] paul-h: So all the tickets jya and others marked as ignore were back to untriaged
[09:27:24] jya_: paul-h: never seen that error before...
[09:27:41] jya_: paul-h: I spent hours on the coverity page going over the reports :(
[09:33:23] paul-h: jya_: a distclean didn't make any difference but it doesn't seem to cause any problems
[09:33:29] stuartm: stichnot: per coverity, wrong delete used here – http://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/tree/mytht . . . ser.cpp#n324
[09:33:54] jya_: what's the 407 or 405?
[09:34:41] jya_: stichnot: delete vs delete[] ; quite a few of them
[09:38:35] paul-h: jya_: thanks for fixing the audio problem it was beginning to get on my nerves once Stuart had pointed it out I could here it everywhere :) It's like the wires on the old Sony Trinitron? crts once you know they are there they stand out like a sore thumb
[09:39:09] jya_: paul-h: i'm amazed the bug had been there for so long in the SSE code
[09:40:07] jya_: i went over the SSE code today, made it run on unaligned memory... going to run additional test. it's about 42% faster than the C code on my i7 1.8GHz
[09:45:06] paul-h: I did a big system upgrade over 550 packages updated and it looks like I have some version mismatch somewhere between the compiler and gcov whatever that is
[09:48:19] stuartm: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gcov
[09:49:31] stuartm: hadn't thought about it before now, but I wonder whether gcov would let us identify and remove unused code
[09:54:56] stuartm: nope, too primitive for that
[10:00:45] paul-h: All versions match so my next theory is distclean isn't clearing some stuff in test_audioconvert and so old versions of something is being linked/used?
[10:09:09] paul-h: Doing a make disclean directly in mythtv/mythtv/libs/libmyth/test/ has fixed it :)
[10:10:41] paul-h: I wonder if we shouldn't add a make tests and stop always doing the tests on every build? Just add them to the buildbots
[10:22:13] stuartm: heh, bought a new domain against my own account and now I've received an email thanking me for referring me to myself
[10:22:42] stuartm: er, referring myself to the registrar
[10:23:24] stuartm: Dear Stuart Morgan, Thank you for referring Stuart Morgan!
[10:24:02] stuartm: heh, they are event paying me commission ... not going to point out their mistake
[10:24:11] stuarta: hahaha
[10:24:24] Seeker`: nicely done :)
[10:24:54] Seeker`: how much storage space do you guys have on your backends?
[10:27:20] jya_: paul-h: there's that already, make all_no_test
[10:27:43] stuarta: Seeker`: 2Tb
[10:28:11] jya_: stuarta: 10TB RAID5 array
[10:28:20] jya_: Seeker`: /\
[10:28:30] ** stuarta sniffs.... **
[10:29:56] Seeker`: I've got 8TB unraided, and even that is starting to fill up...
[10:30:31] stuartm: Seeker`: below the average I expect, 3 TB (2 + 1TB drives), but some of that is used for videos (blu-ray/dvd rips) and music
[10:30:36] jya_: i have set to always leave 40GB free; recordings get deleted as required.. i don't worry about it
[10:30:51] Seeker`: also, has anyone else lost dates from mythweb?
[10:31:18] stuartm: I've got a further 1TB which is just used for videos, it's not available for recording
[10:31:25] paul-h: jya_: yeah I know about that I'm thinking of new users trying Myth for the first time and the first thing they see is our own test going tits up. Not a good first impression :(
[10:32:08] jya_: in 0.27, whenever i go into myth web recordings screen , I get an error that can't find sort, will show all shows but the screen is empty... Pressing refresh and it shows everything
[10:32:22] Seeker`: upcoming recordings doesn't show me what dates it is planning on recording things
[10:32:25] Seeker`: (using master head)
[10:32:39] jya_: paul-h: i agree, unit tests should only be ran if explicitly called
[10:32:39] Seeker`: and recorded programs doesn't show what date it recorded things
[10:32:55] stuartm: Seeker`: sounds like you've got a bigger problem than me – I delete everything after watching, but even still I consistently run at between 90%-95% capacity because I've built up a huge backlog
[10:32:58] jya_: Seeker`: it shows a valid AirDate for me
[10:33:51] jya_: 2439 programs, using 5.5 TB (3 months 11 days 7 hrs 26 mins) out of B ( B free).
[10:34:14] jya_: B free :)
[10:35:02] jya_: rebooting into linux to test the new SSE code properly
[10:35:17] jya_: though Im hoping the unit tests cover it all now
[10:35:51] Seeker`: http://cjo20.net/upcoming.png
[10:36:28] jya_: Seeker`: not seeing that here
[10:37:05] stuartm: mythweb has never properly displayed disk space properly for me, it's one of those bugs which I've become so used to that I never think about it anyway
[10:37:25] stuartm: anymore
[10:37:33] stuartm: need more coffee
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[10:39:11] stuartm: does anyone have experience/opinions on djVU? I'm thinking about using it for a personal project
[10:44:59] stuarta: not me
[10:46:19] stuarta: looks interesting tho
[10:52:53] stuartm: the quality is very good, I've been on the receiving end of DjVU compressed documents before, certainly better for scans than jpeg – I've just never used either the format or the library before for my own scans
[10:55:09] stuartm: it's GPLd, and their viewer is QT based, both of which count in it's favour for the app I planning to create – only thing left to test is the compression achieved over jpg on the hundreds of documents I've already got archived
[10:58:14] ** stuarta curses bbc for starting to put series data (ie. 1/13) at the start of the subtitle **
[10:58:15] stuartm: I was reminded of DjVu after the recent news about Xerox copiers and JBIG2
[11:05:59] stuarta: yeah, that's a bit of a cockup
[11:14:53] stuartm: it was Xerox's reaction that was so stunning – "Oh, that's perfectly normal" and "The people most likely to use the 'normal' compression mode include oilrigs and military customers"
[11:15:07] stuartm: that last bit was apparently said without a trace of irony
[11:16:27] stuartm: because swapping digits in say, the latitude and longitude of a drone strike are perfectly acceptable in order to achieve better compression levels ...
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[11:21:41] stuarta: or the buildings that suddenly don't fit where you are putting them
[11:24:38] Seeker`: but the documents will be compressed better!
[11:24:51] Seeker`: you're /TOTALLY/ missing the point!
[11:24:52] Seeker`: :P
[11:25:02] stuartm: right, or the huge oil leak caused because your pipeline gaskets were the wrong size
[11:26:31] stuartm: really, is there any example where such character substitution is actually an acceptable trade-off? What possessed Xerox to think that it was OK?
[11:28:03] Seeker`: stuartm: when you are scanning in a pseudorandom data sequence?
[11:28:58] Seeker`: which is obviously a really common use case
[11:29:41] stuartm: heh
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[11:50:22] dekarl-work: Seeker`, I lost dates in MythWeb on the iPad but nowhere else lately (master)
[11:52:44] stuartm: paul-h: thanks for that fix
[11:54:51] dekarl-work: jya_, I noticed that sometimes an update to an in-progress recording's size comes back from the backend instead of the list of recordings leading to an empty list an "UPDATE FILESIZE ##### ######" as available option in the Series selector in mythweb
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[12:31:18] stuartm: Coverity report updated – http://code.mythtv.org/coverity/index.html
[12:32:42] stuartm: jya: looks like this should have been an "else if"? http://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/tree/mytht . . . ter.cpp#n145
[12:58:38] stichnot: stuartm: (and Coverity:) thanks!
[13:01:16] stuartm: seems to be all instances of delete for that buffer
[13:04:51] stuartm: ah, you already fixed them all :)
[13:06:58] stichnot: Trying to figure out why coverity 1047227 (osd.cpp) is showing up for the first time...
[13:07:08] stichnot: looks like something that's been around for years
[13:11:21] stuartm: they are constantly tweaking their checks, so previously undiscovered bugs are bound to show up from time to time
[13:13:01] stichnot: ah, that would make sense
[13:13:56] stichnot: I think they are pretty darn clever about the one in /mythtv/libs/libmythtv/xine_demux_sputext.cpp:114
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[13:25:20] stuartm: I was about to say that looked like a false positive until I realised you'd just fixed it :)
[13:26:00] stichnot: jya: I assume coverity 1047232 would be fixed by changing buffer to ctx->buffer
[13:28:56] stuartm: I'm going to tag the beta tonight (6–8 hours from now) unless anyone has an objection?
[13:30:52] stichnot: stuartm: you saw coverity 1061553?
[13:31:37] stuartm: no, I hadn't (yet)
[13:31:53] stuartm: oops
[13:34:52] stichnot: I need to investigate why my frontend is using 100% CPU on the Watch Recordings screen continuously calling MythUIImage::DrawSelf(). Hopefully it's that bug...
[13:41:32] stichnot: cool, that does seem to be it. I was wondering why the frontend was suddenly seeming overly sluggish
[13:42:01] stichnot: stuartm: I don't intend anything else for the beta, so it's fine with me.
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[13:47:57] jya1: had to reformat completely my linux install on my laptop, upgraded to os x 10.9 beta today, which shifted my linux partition. despite my best effort, couldn't get grub efi to see my linux partition
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[13:53:09] jya1: CEC lib with ubuntu 13.04 causes a segfault (I have no CEC devices installed)
[13:55:04] stuarta: ah well more bugs to fix :)
[14:04:37] jya1: rha... never had this before: MSqlDatabase::OpenDatabase(), db object is not valid!
[14:05:41] stuarta: missing one of the relevant libs?
[14:06:11] sphery: jya1: what libcec version?
[14:06:27] jya1: i see: QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL driver not loaded , never had this with linux before
[14:06:31] jya1: sphery: let me check
[14:06:39] sphery: there was a bug in 1.6.2 (almost a year and a half old) that caused a crash on startup – http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11468
[14:06:50] jya1: 1.6.2–1
[14:06:59] sphery: yeah, you have the bad version
[14:07:30] jya1: 13.04 isn't that old !
[14:07:31] sphery: upgrading to 1.6.3+ will fix it or compiling mythtv without cec support will work around it
[14:07:39] jya1: certainly a pain....
[14:07:45] sphery: libcec 1.6.2 is almost a year and a half old
[14:07:54] jya1: i simply removed the lib.. that works fine, the lib is dynamically loaded
[14:08:09] sphery: and there was an emergency bug fix release of libcec 1.6.3 just a week or 2 after 1.6.2 specifically to fix this bug
[14:08:21] sphery: not sure why they're still using that ancient version in 13.04
[14:08:27] jya1: now the question is: how to install the mysql qt driver on ubuntu... usually it works out of the box
[14:09:41] jya1: don't tell me I have to get the qt source to compile it myself ! (which is what a google query seems to suggest)
[14:09:53] sphery: also, I think we may have some problems with support for libcec 2.x , which may be why you still get the ancient 1.6.2 when you install MythTV (though I really wish they'd have upgraded their 1.x to 1.6.3)... http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11338
[14:11:11] sphery: Not sure if there's some specific reason you chose 13.04, but the mythbuntu repos are primarily focused at supporting the LTS releases (so, currently 12.04). If this is a mythtv-only system, might be much easier to use 12.04.
[14:11:37] sphery: I'm sure they have the packages for all the dependencies set up for MythTV
[14:11:44] sphery: (on 12.04, that is)
[14:11:58] jya1: sphery: because that's the only version i had handy, and that I had installed yesterday to test stuartm audio corruption which i thought were kernel 3.8 related
[14:12:27] sphery: ok, just mentioning it as an option
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[14:12:42] jya1: i ran apt-get build-dep mythtv which normally installs all required dependency (and this time its missing libqt4-sql-mysql
[14:12:58] sphery: Good luck, though, getting things back up and running... Always a hassle.  :(
[14:13:17] jya1: having said that, 13.04 was a breeze to install on my macbook air. everything works out of the box, including multi-touch trackpad
[14:13:40] jya1: including setting the EFI boot thingy
[14:13:55] jya1: 12.04 had been a pain last I tried
[14:17:55] jya1: what's the ReadReal in the log? it's everywhere... so verbose
[14:18:27] jya1: stichnot: is this yours?
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[14:34:43] jya1: paul-h: is mythmusic using the storage group or is the music library global to all frontends?
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[14:45:42] stichnot: jya1: rushing the kids out the door... I'll look in an hour
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[15:06:15] shoop_da_whoop: Is the myth protocol serial? Are commands handled in the order so that they are processed in the order that they are received?
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[15:17:45] tonsofpcs: I hope not. (not a dev)
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[15:26:18] paul-h: jya1: officially you have to mount your music in the same location on each frontend, unofficially you can create a 'Music' and 'MusicArt' storage groups on the master BE and your music will play from there
[15:29:25] paul-h: I guess I should finish the storage group support now that hopefully the remote image problem has been fixed :)
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[15:40:15] stuartm: jya: danielk221 added the ReadReal debugging, I'm not sure he meant to leave it enabled for the release
[15:42:33] stichnot: jya: git blame says the "ReadReal(?, %1, %2) -> %3 took %4 ms" log is from danielk221 (or at least last touched by him). Probably should be changed to VB_SOCKET
[15:43:25] stichnot: or disabled altogether when you're on a wireless network :)
[15:50:07] paul-h: There's also the SendReceiveStringList(...) called from UI thread messages that could do to be moved to the debug level for the release?
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[16:34:42] stuartm: yeah, they should be suppressed for a normal install
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[17:23:57] paul-h: jya: what would the full screen notification be used for?
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[18:08:49] shoop_da_whoop: Is there more complete documentation on the myth protocol? Some commands on the wiki are undocumented while others crash mythbackend.
[18:14:16] paul-h: Anybody else getting these in the log at startup MMulticastSocketDevice(:34): setsockopt – IP_MULTICAST_IF – eno: Cannot assign requested address (99)
[18:37:27] natanojl: paul-h: Yes
[18:43:48] stuartm: shoop_da_whoop: can you open a ticket listing any that crash the backend? The backend should never crash no matter what garbage it's feed
[18:46:30] paul-h: wagnerrp: ^^ any idea what the problem is
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[18:54:31] stuartm: shoop_da_whoop: there is no more complete documentation on the internal protocol, we're moving away from that and recommend third party applications use the Services API instead – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Services_API
[19:08:46] sphery: shoop_da_whoop: Crashes in the myth protocol are common when specifying invalid (or not enough) arguments. We've really done no fuzz testing, nor programmed it defensively. Instead, we just assume/take for granted that a client will speak the protocol correctly--after all, mythfrontend and MythWeb are written to. Therefore, please document /exactly/ what you send to the protocol to cause the crash with specific command lines, including ...
[19:08:53] sphery: ... arguments. And, feel free to take a look at the code and figure out/describe exactly what's happening.
[19:10:50] sphery: shoop_da_whoop: The processing starts in MainServer::ProcessRequestWork() at https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . ver.cpp#L454
[19:11:09] stuartm: I keep meaning to write a simple fuzz tester, but it's one of those things that takes time to do properly and the benefits aren't really very high – it may well be quicker to just read through the code and add the necessary checking of input
[19:11:32] sphery: especially if we get rid of the myth protocol, as some have discussed
[19:12:00] stuartm: but if we really are migrating to using the services api internally, even that isn't a good use of time
[19:12:09] sphery: we still have a lot of easy-to-fix (given time) failures to check the number of arguments specified or that parsing an argument succeeded
[19:12:21] stuartm: yup
[19:12:34] shoop_da_whoop: does the service api support live tv?
[19:12:45] sphery: yeah, that's what I meant--benefits aren't worth the time if we get rid of the custom protocol stuff
[19:15:11] sphery: shoop_da_whoop: I don't think so, but you may want to look at what things like the android client have done
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[19:37:53] shoop_da_whoop: sphery: are myth protocol commands processed serially?
[19:42:13] sphery: shoop_da_whoop: AIUI (and I'm not the expert), each client can have only one command connection to the backend and each connection only allows submission of a single request, where the client must wait for the response before sending another request
[19:43:43] shoop_da_whoop: sphery: Thanks.
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[20:43:48] Vink: Hi.. My mythtv install works fine, but, EIT for my DVB chans are not scanned... I've check with command 'dvbsnoop -n 1 -nph 0x12': EIt exists :/ Any idea what I've to look at?
[20:45:09] Vink: useonairguide is set to 1 for correponding channels
[20:46:31] Vink: Im using mythbuntu 0.26.0+fixes.20130801.92dbb43–0ubuntu0mythbuntu1
[20:49:49] dekarl: Vink: dvbsnoop -n 1 0x11, look for guide_present (this triggers the useonairguide default setting) then its possible that the ids don'T match (ONID/TSID/SID of the transmitted guide should match the channel)
[20:50:54] stuartm: Vink: how did you scan the channels?
[20:51:14] Vink: stuartm : full scan
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[20:52:05] stuartm: ok, just checking because it's a known limitation if you performed the scan using an external application and imported the results
[20:52:56] Vink: dekar1> I've no 'guide_present' parameter
[20:56:42] Vink: you means: EIT_present_following_flag ? -> 0
[20:58:23] Vink: onid tsid and sid match the channel
[20:59:41] Vink: may be similar to #9592 issue ?
[20:59:41] ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9592 **
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[21:16:55] dekarl: vink, yes that ticket may be realted and doh, its called EIT_schedule_flag for the guide (and EIT_present_following_flag = 0 is a hint that its going to be 0 likely)
[21:19:25] Vink: ok I'll try to compile mythtv with my transport id
[21:27:52] Vink: thank you ; by
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[21:46:40] wagnerrp: shoop_da_whoop, tonsofpcs: the internal protocol is serial within a single connection
[21:46:45] wagnerrp: multiple connections can operate in parallel
[21:47:30] wagnerrp: further, the protocol library does not allow another command to be sent until the previous response been received
[21:48:05] wagnerrp: if it never gets receipt within a 7 or 30 second timeout, depending on the situation, it drops the connection and attempts to reconnect
[21:48:52] wagnerrp: what sphery said, each client can have as many connections as they want, however the mythtv applications themselves only maintain one command connection to the master backend
[21:49:24] wagnerrp: one command connection for the client to query the backend, and one event connection for the backend to send event messages to the client
[21:49:40] wagnerrp: paul-h: got any more context on that?
[21:54:12] paul-h: I see it every time the FE starts up, there are always 2 errors exactly the same
[21:54:54] paul-h: Doesn't seem to cause any problems just wonder what it was that's all
[21:56:32] wagnerrp: the only thing that would be using multicast in the frontend would be the upnp server, and that's really not used internally for anything
[21:56:45] wagnerrp: i think some 3rd party applications might use it to detect frontends for purposes of remote control
[22:00:11] stuartm: not just 3rd party apps, it's used by frontends the first time they are run to display a list of available backends, or to auto-connect if there is only one available
[22:01:06] wagnerrp: would you get that error just to send data to a multicast address?
[22:01:14] wagnerrp: i figured that was when it was trying to listen on multicast
[22:04:35] stuartm: right, that would be listening only ... the backend should be listening, I'm not sure that the frontend has a good reason
[22:04:57] wagnerrp: the frontend does listen, and will respond to a UPNP discovery query
[22:05:04] wagnerrp: but we don't internally use it for anything
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[22:21:02] jya_: paul-h: at this stage, it's better to not have animation in the notification theme... It only works if you have one notification. stuartm was supposed to look into this but in the mean time, better to comment it out it will cause unexpected behaviours (like the 2nd notifications appearing on top of the first)
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[22:22:00] jya_: oh my bad, they are commented already...
[22:25:53] paul-h: wagnerrp, stuartm: Looks like I added the message here http://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/commit/?id=0dc5195cafc04b0
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[22:50:11] paul-h: wagnerrp, stuartm: Google says it is failing because CONFIG_IP_MULTICAST is not set in my kernel config which it isn't. I'll just move that log message to the debug level since it doesn't seem to cause any problems and it was only added to keep Covertity happy
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