Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, July 6th, 2013, 00:21 UTC

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wagnerrp:

that's it, outlook and hotmail go on the shitlist

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stichnot:

jya: thanks.

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: took ya that long?

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wagnerrp:

they are now (temporarily) banned from the wiki

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wagnerrp:

i'm tired of seeing 30 new spam accounts created from there daily

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Beirdo:

Oooh, I thought you meant in general :)

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wagnerrp:

i think we have had all of about half a dozen contributing users from hotmail in seven years

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Beirdo:

"I see you are using hotmail/outlook. Please create a gmail account"

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wagnerrp:

i actually do have a filter for gmail as well

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wagnerrp:

although that's hitting a certain selective pattern

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wagnerrp:

(hotmail is also checked for that pattern)

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** wagnerrp decides to `tail` the filter log and watch the failed creations flood in **

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Beirdo:

Shame that this nonsense is needed

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wagnerrp:

it will be interesting to see how long it takes before they shift to another mail server

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Beirdo:

Yeah

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Beirdo:

OK, caught up on the wee backlog in the mailing list

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Beirdo:

I guess I should go downstairs and see if my assistance is required

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wagnerrp:

naughty beirdo... top posting...

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wagnerrp:

been away from the mailing lists too long, you've picked up bad habits... :P

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wagnerrp:

yep... block outlook and hotmail, and they just flood to yahoo and gmail

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Beirdo:

naughty gmail changed crap again :) I'll work on it, sorry

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wagnerrp:

that was actually my original plan for the rewrite (stick everything in a qmap, and let qt hash it out)

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wagnerrp:

i remember being advised that was a bad idea

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wagnerrp:

so i went back to the if lists

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Beirdo:

I have code mostly done (a year ago) to do exactly that for the protocol, the actions, everything

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Beirdo:

it made the frontend very noticibly faster

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Beirdo:

Let QMap (or QHash) do its job, let's not recreate more efficient algorithms with less efficient ones

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Beirdo:

doing full-on string compares on every event (including keypresses) and every protocol message.... is horridly slow

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** Captain_Murdoch steps in for 5 seconds (literally) to say -> and those full-on string compares are just StartsWith(), not == so we're prone to future bugs when someone creates a ACTION_ONE_MORE when we already have an ACTION_ONE. **

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Captain_Murdoch:

or command.left(10) == "ACTION_ONE". ok, so 5 more seconds... now I'm really gone to go dig some more in the side yard.

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Beirdo:

Yeah

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Beirdo:

I converted them all to being full compare of the first word, and any startswith to being actual regexps

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Beirdo:

:)

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wagnerrp:

i assume pre-compiled, that ends up being faster than a standard compare?

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Beirdo:

yeah, the maintainability of what we have now... rather painful

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Beirdo:

well, the regexps are, yes

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Beirdo:

but most of the speedup comes from the O(logN) nature of QMap/QHash

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wagnerrp:

right

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Beirdo:

it uses a skip queue internally

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wagnerrp:

it's not just a binary tree?

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Beirdo:

it's pretty close to it, algorithmically, but I forget the total differences

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Beirdo:

basically, compute it as if it is

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Beirdo:

I remember reading the details... like a year and a half ago, but I've pushed a lot of that back outta my brain

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Beirdo:

Oh, and BTW.... Python did win me over. Just took a while

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wagnerrp:

once you go snake, that's for what you'll ache

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Beirdo:

hehe, yeah

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wagnerrp:

still... the socket itself

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Beirdo:

I still want to redo the mythweather script returns to use JSON, and parse that with a "standard" parser

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wagnerrp:

raw socket? http? something else?

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wagnerrp:

i see no reason to use http, other than that's what the services api is currently wired up to use

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Beirdo:

I'd think that something where we can leverage as much of Qt's server code as we can might end up being helpful overall

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Beirdo:

unless we want to implement our own

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wagnerrp:

i don't know what it would take to repurpose it as a generic serializer

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Beirdo:

yeah, not sure at this point

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wagnerrp:

i just see HTTP headers as being more data to transfer than most of our queries

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Beirdo:

my thought is that the less code we require ourselves to custom craft, the likelier it will be that it would work nicely

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wagnerrp:

especially if were going to use binary serialization

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Beirdo:

well, you can make it persistent connection

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Beirdo:

and if the connection's gone, reconnect

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wagnerrp:

that just deals with init

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wagnerrp:

you still have those massive headers

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Beirdo:

Hmm, yeah, I guess

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wagnerrp:

when you're sending a big web page, a couple hundred byte header isn't a problem

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Beirdo:

they can get quite large

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Beirdo:

but on a 5 byte command, kinda lame

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wagnerrp:

when many of your responses are a simple "OK", it's a bit excessive

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Beirdo:

well, the response would be a 200 OK

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

the request is where it gets wasteful

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wagnerrp:

ok, what about a hash query

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wagnerrp:

plenty of examples of small responses

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Beirdo:

well, true

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Beirdo:

if we are sticking text based, I'd prefer JSON for compatibility overall, I think

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Beirdo:

Ooops, pizza's here, BRB

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wagnerrp:

in theory, we just shove everything into the services serializer, and let it decide what to use

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wagnerrp:

(or otherwise tell it)

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wagnerrp:

make that part of the negotiation during initial connection

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** wagnerrp wonders what he did last August to make the UPS load spike **

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Beirdo:

well, yeah, I guess the services serializer *might* work right for what we need, but I'd be more concerned about the fluidity of the API and third party users

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Beirdo:

we really haven't been terribly good in the past at *ahem* documenting our APIs :)

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Beirdo:

We're developers, not technical writers, I know :)

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jya:

anyone know how to use (define) templates to be used later by a theme?

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natanojl:

jya: You create an InfoMap object (it's a typedef for QHash<QString, QString>), populate it with your strings, and then call SetTextFromMap passing in the InfoMap object.

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jya:

yeah, I found that out browsing the code; but not having the results expected...

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natanojl:

can you give an example?

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jya:

well, I set the dmap with TITLE in it; then I call SetTextFromMap on my MythScreenType. stepping into the code, I can see that it goes through all children, however, it expects the name of the object to be the name of what I set in the InfoMap

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jya:

so if the name of the object isn't "TITLE" it doesn't use it

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jya:

trying to implement what a user requested

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jya:

but as I've never done it, and it's not documented anywhere.. i'm trying in the black

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jya:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 46955#546955

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jya:

unless I manually have to loop through the chilrdren myself and call SetTextFromMap on all of them

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jya:

anyhow… Lions vs Wallabies is about to start… ...

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natanojl:

yeah, that is how it works

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natanojl:

you could perhaps tweak MythUIText::SetTextFromMap to allow arbitrary names when using templates

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jya:

so is there a way to have what that themer describe with the current MythUI stuf in place?

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jya:

they are using template there in the example: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Theme_Devel . . . tarea_widget (This can be values which exist in a map (such as most Program Info like %TITLE%, %SUBTITLE%, et)

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jya:

will keep trying

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jya_:

natanojl: it seems that the mapping on inner text to template is only done for MythUIButtonList

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jya_:

everywhere else an InfoMap is just a convenient way of setting the text of a button, with the map key being the object name

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natanojl:

jya_: I'm not sure I follow. I use this in the watchrecordings screen on a theme I'm working on: http://pastebin.com/PDmVXbV9. This textarea is not in any buttonlist

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jya_:

do you have another template you use with a rather uncommon value? trying to search "SUBTITLE" in the code; but there's to many instances of it…

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jya_:

natanojl: is it it a group then?

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jya_:

seems that this is the other type making use of templates

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natanojl:

In this case it's being set from http://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/tree/mytht . . . box.cpp#n863 and the map is populated here http://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/tree/mytht . . . fo.cpp#n1426

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jya_:

yes, there it works because the name of your object is "subtitle" which is contained in the map

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jya_:

in the example provided on the theme user list; it seems that the item has a random name; just so he can control when it's displayed and not… and there use the template

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natanojl:

yes, arbitrary names aren't supported

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wagnerrp:

i'm going to issue a schema update forcing everyone using tmdb.py to tmdb3.py

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wagnerrp:

it's past feature freeze, but tmdb.py is losing its web API in a few months, so it needs to happen

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knightr:

wagnerrp, is it really past feature freeze? If it was we should be in bug fixes only which is not the case...

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wagnerrp:

feature freeze should have hit monday

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knightr:

wagnerrp, yes it should but you know as well as I do that we didn't communicate it and we haven't gone into bug fixes only so it's like we are not in feature freeze...

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knightr:

(and nobody seems to care..)

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