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Wednesday, July 3rd, 2013, 00:08 UTC

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jya:

will have a look.

[00:09:02]

jya:

maybe that will be useful for stichnot to use and do whatever he wants with it

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jya:

anyone could point me to an image that would be shown when there's no album artwork available?

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jya:

jpabq: are you there?

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danielk221:

jya: I think stichnot could get 90% of what he wants with an average power measure. A 1770.1 value would be better, but a fair bit more work.

[01:33:01]

jya:

any theme expert here? when I define a progressbar, the end of the progress bar is always outside when define window...

[01:33:03]

jya:

don't get it

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danielk221:

Oh, jya I read your post about what you've been working on for HP. Pretty cool. I still have a 20+ year old HP graphing calculator. Those things were awesome, but for the 48KB of RAM and losing all your programs when you had to reset the thing. Well and being soooo slooooow.

[01:40:41]

jya:

48k of RAM? which one was that?

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danielk221:

Dunno, but I can probably google it.. gimme a minute

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jya:

ah no worriesâ€¦ they just had either 32kB or 128kB back then

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danielk221:

Ok the one I still have is the HP-48GX, with 128kB.. the one I had before was the 48S or 48SX with 32kB

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jya:

that's what I thoughtâ€¦ was pretty good back in the dayâ€¦ awesome keyboard

[01:47:02]

jya:

okâ€¦ the dimension of my progressbar seems to be completely ignored ; it only ever use the width/height of the progress bar its inheriting from...

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jya:

damn.. I hate those gui thingâ€¦ you spent hours on such small thing

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jya:

and the wider I make it, the less wide it appearsâ€¦ wtf

[01:54:24]

jya:

something is definitely not right with the dimension of that widgetâ€¦ where is stuartm when you need him ! :)

[02:01:20]

jya:

here is another example of where showing errors in a notification would help..

[02:01:35]

jya:

mythmedia device not finding the defined device

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jya:

show that in a notification rather than in the log

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jya:

photo streaming via AirPlay: done!

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Beirdo:

oh blah.

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Beirdo:

I go to hook up my devel box again... grabbed the wrong box... and can't find the DVI/VGA adapters... and the wireless dongle won't work right :(

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Beirdo:

I'll make this work, grrr.

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Beirdo:

bah. I guess Qt4.8 upgrade is next :)

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jya:

wagnerrp: something seems to have been broken in regards to how mythfilldatabase is being launchedâ€¦ In my system, myth is installed in /usr/local/mythtv-trunk and is a working copy; not in the path and I use LD_LIBRARY_PATH to set where to search the libsâ€¦ Now in the backend I see: MythFillDatabase command 'mythfilldatabase' failed

[06:38:00]

jya:

before I would have: /usr/local/mythtv-trunk/bin/mythfilldatabase

[06:38:30]

jya:

maybe using the same path as were the backend is running would do?

[06:50:26]

jya:

humâ€¦. the qt painter crashes big time when I try to display some images

[06:50:56]

jya:

actually the MythMainWindow draw method...

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peper03:

stichnot: Ok, grabbed it. I'm not sure what I'll do before 0.27. I need to look at the BD code to see what effects allowing the various operations (e.g. pausing a still) may have.

[07:21:34]

peper03:

I'd rather leave alone than break something just before a release.

[07:25:56]

natanojl:

jya: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Theme_Development#Dependence

[07:27:10]

jya:

natanojl i am aware of that oneâ€¦ if that's about the progress bar issue, the size of the progress bar seems to always be the one of the ancestor and not the one I define

[07:27:27]

jya:

I've lodged a bug for that #11640

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** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11640 **

[07:32:48]

natanojl:

jya: Ok, good. If you use a shape for the progress bar I think it should work, but not for images

[07:33:01]

natanojl:

anyway, got to rush to work

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jya:

a shape?

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phix:

hai

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phix:

Is mythtv responsible for the upstart script in ubuntu? or is that the package maintainers responsbility?

[07:42:15]

jya:

the later

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phix:

ah ok, cause it has issues

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phix:

Does the maintainer hang out here do you know?

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jya:

check the mythbuntu irc

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phix:

irc channel or server?

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jya:

irc channel

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** stuarta tries to remember his name **

[07:58:38]

phix:

stuarta: is it phix ?

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phix:

nah it wouldn't be, phix wouldn't require that a network interface is up in order for mythtv backend to run

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phix:

He would just bind to lo and restart / reload the backend when the interfaces come up

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stuarta:

superm1: do you know who maintains the mythtv upstart script in ubuntu?

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jya:

phix: if there's no network interface available when starting the backend, there's no much point starting it regardless.. original bind will fail and your backend will be useless

[08:04:49]

stuarta:

jya: not if you get all your guide data over the air

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jya:

the backend binds to the interfaces right at the start, and doesn't retry later should a non-existing interface be now available

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stuarta:

maybe we should support wildcard bind

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phix:

jya: can we change that?

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phix:

jya: mythtv is open source right?

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jya:

stuarta: I guess that's one possible caseâ€¦ but how many would care, and I doubt that's what phix want

[08:05:55]

phix:

Can I submit a patch to get rid of that nonsense?

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stuarta:

what nonsense?

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jya:

phix: be our guestâ€¦ good luck with thatâ€¦ yes it's open source, you can submit patches and features on code.mythtv.org

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stuarta:

it would be easy enough to work around. statically add an ip address from your normal eth0 range to lo and bind to that. problem solved

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jya:

mythbackend wouldn't be the first daemon that need an active interface to start and won't do anything if not.. in fact, most are the same

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phix:

stuarta: the fact there isn't a way to tell mythtv to rebind, maybe trap HUP or something

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stuarta:

no there isn't

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stuarta:

it's called restart ;-)

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jya:

if you can send a HUP, surely you can restart it

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phix:

ok, so brain trust says, restart at S99

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phix:

I supose that works

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phix:

upstart however runs parallel

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stuarta:

yes, but also has correct dependencies, so if something requires networking the upstart script should indicate that

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** stuarta has a lightbulb moment **

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stuarta:

IIRC there is something plastered all around the ubuntu forums about the dependency being wrong in the upstart script

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stuarta:

so it doesn't wait for networking to be up

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natanojl:

jya: the progressimage element of the progress bar can be an image or a shape

[09:03:24]

jya:

sure, but it still should use the area I define, not the one of the ancestor

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natanojl:

although the documentation doesn't mention that

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jya:

another issue I'm seeing, using the Qt painter, coordinates like 50% etc.. do not work, only absolute coordinate seems accurate

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natanojl:

jya: so does it work if you change your theme to use a shape instead?

[09:08:56]

jya:

don't knowâ€¦. I don't use a picture nor a shape, my progressbar is only given an area

[09:09:15]

jya:

and I do want my progress bar to inherit from the base one, otherwise it lacks consistency

[09:10:43]

jya:

hummmâ€¦. I see what the OSD is doing to adapt the size of all its element

[09:11:21]

jya:

after the MythUIType is loaded in memory, it modifies all widgets and adjust their sizes...

[09:11:27]

jya:

goshâ€¦ this is heavy handed !

[09:13:36]

natanojl:

you'd have to modify the progress bar you are inheriting from, i.e. baseprogressbar

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jya:

natanojl: sorry, but what you are saying doesn't make sense to meâ€¦ the baseprogressbar define a style. if an item inherits from it, and define a size, that's the size to useâ€¦ why should I have to modify the base progressbar. and why would you want to?

[09:41:47]

jya:

anyhowâ€¦ need to find a way to adjust the size of the elements on the fly depending if it's being drawn in the OSD or on the main screen..

[09:41:54]

jya:

not sure on how to do that efficiently :(

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jonatanl:

jya: also make sure that the base definition is using relative dimensions

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jya:

I have no control over the base defition

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jya:

each theme will have its own

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jya:

remember, what I'm working on is a base themeâ€¦ the one theme will be using if they don't redefine notifications

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** jya dinner time **

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superm1:

stuarta: that would generally be me who maintains it

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superm1:

phix: if you are having problems with your specific instance, you can change the job locally to start on a particular interface coming up rather than anything that's non lo

[10:29:36]

superm1:

also, i believe we have changed the behavior – it used to start on lo but now starts on !lo to make sure whatever at least something has gotten a DHCP address (or static address set by networking scripts). current version: https://github.com/MythTV/packaging/blob/mast . . . kend.upstart

[10:36:17]

wagnerrp:

jya: should be fixed... http://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/commit/?id=b561603c3c71ca

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stuarta:

superm1: i thought it was :)

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jya:

stichnot: did you see that stuff: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Commercial_detecti . . . ting_Version

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jya:

all the audio processing in regards to reading the audio, converting it etcâ€¦ is all done already, so no need for libsndfile, which means only need to look into silence.cpp

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jya:

I guess combining video analysis as well as audio, is going to be much more efficient than detecting silence alone

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stichnot:

jya: I've seen the silence thing mentioned before, I should have a closer look.

[12:59:35]

stichnot:

jya: What I'm specifically thinking about is http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10848 . This basically uses libmythtv/visualisations/videovisualspectrum.cpp to create an equalizer-like visualization.

[13:00:04]

jya:

cool

[13:00:33]

jya:

to get it working for AC3, you'll have to disable passthrough, can be done on the fly

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stichnot:

When I last looked at it, I think its data was based on continuously streaming audio data into it, so if you wanted to jump back and forth in the cutlist editor, it wouldn't work so well

[13:01:04]

stichnot:

disable passthrough on the fly? cool

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jya:

you can't re-enable it though

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stichnot:

uncool :(

[13:01:33]

jya:

but it's what's occuring when you suddenly decide to timestretch, upmix audio etc

[13:01:43]

stichnot:

can I create a separate player with passthrough disabled?

[13:02:26]

stichnot:

I see. I've done that, and the worst I notice is louder audio

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jya:

to be honest, that you can't reenable it doesn't really matter. audio will be decoded in LPCM, or re-encoded into AC3; for LPCM conversion, it will be inaudible, with AC3 re-encoding, doubt most will hear it

[13:02:56]

jya:

the LPCM conversion is lossless

[13:04:02]

stichnot:

so, for the purpose of the cutlist editor, a single value for the audio level could do, but having multiple values for the spectrum makes for much sweeter eye candy.

[13:05:09]

jya:

haven't looked at the patch, but to disable passthrough,â€¦ hum, there's no API in the audioplayer class, well, enable timestretch at 1.1 et put it back a 1.. same thing

[13:05:33]

jya:

stichnot: to be honest, with a typical frame length, I doubt you will gain much

[13:06:08]

stichnot:

and this doesn't have to be just for the cutlist editor. I would do this as a themeable MythUI widget so you can specify size, position, number of spectrum elements, etc., then just add it to the cutlist editor theme or anywhere else

[13:06:29]

jya:

an AC3 frame is about 1500 bytes, that's about 375 stereo frames, at 48kHz that's 7ms

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stichnot:

jya: that's why I suggested some sort of weighted average over a time interval

[13:06:35]

jya:

do you need that much accuracy?

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stichnot:

no, I would want to get an average over something like T-0.25s .. T+0.25s

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jya:

so sampling your audio, by a typical 7ms, is pretty detailed already

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stichnot:

or T-0.5s..T if that's easier

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jya:

well, then you average the average of a frame * 0.25

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jya:

I think even the visuallizer in mythmusic take a sample every second max

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jya:

maybe a bit more often, but not much

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jya:

soâ€¦ I'm hesitating between two strategies on how to display my notifications in YUV-type rendering (the convert to bitmap first)

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jya:

either I keep my code as-is, I apply a SetArea before the draw, restore the previous SetArea just after

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jya:

or manage some type of queue, that the OSD could query, so I only do the resizing when required...

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jya:

surely, re-calculating the area of a screen and 6 children can't take that long

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jya:

the brute way is 6 lines of code, the elegant is several dozens

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jya:

stichnot: which command did you say it was for not stepping inside a thread?

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stichnot:

jya: set scheduler_locking on

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jya:

thanks

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stichnot:

actually "set scheduler_locking step" may be better

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stichnot:

wish I'd known about that one before...

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superm1:

Beirdo: re http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9589 do you know how exactly nvidia twinview was broken by that patch? i'm wondering if since NVIDIA driver now has xrandr if that would still break

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tgm4883:

phix, that is by design

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sphery:

stichnot: Planning to make in-editor navigation allow functionality like/more consistent with playback (allowing use of your already-defined skip/jump times and keys, using SKIPCOMMERCIAL/SKIPCOMMBACK to seek to commercial marks instead of only allowing jumping to cut marks, allowing "arbitrary seek" (1-3-INFO (or RWNDSTICKY) to jump to 13 minutes or 6-FFWDSTICKY to go to 6 minutes from the end, ...) as well as having the current "set seek ...

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sphery:

... amount" to select time-based or frame/keyframe-based navigation, and also will allow showing the existing skip list in the edit bar without having to import it as a cut list (or you could show blank frames or ... including, eventually, silent audio markers or any others you guys come up with)

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sphery:

Note, also, that currently hitting SKIPCOMMERCIAL imports the skip list and SKIPCOMMBACK actually erases the entire cut list you've painstakingly created (and without confirmation), so I'll be breaking a few eggs, but should end up with something that more-closely adheres to the principle of least surprise

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sphery:

but we really need to make key usage more consistent across playback and editing--even I (who has spent way too much time looking at the differences) hit the wrong key all the time in editing because of habit from playback navigation

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stichnot:

sphery: those changes sound great.

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stichnot:

peper03: I started looking at the DVB_Radio.mpg sample you gave me a while ago. Do you happen to have the original seektable from the recorder? Or can you generate a 1-minute sample along with its seektable?

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stichnot:

This is really annoying that for like 2 years I haven't been able to get ubuntu 10.04 to get dhcp3-server running at boot time, I always have to manually run "service dhcp3-server start" after a reboot otherwise the net-booting frontends won't boot.

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peper03:

stichnot: Sure, I'll have a look in a bit. Might take an hour or two before I can get to it though.

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taylorr:

peper03: should I backport the latest dvdnav fix (vm->hop_channel = 0) to 0.25-fixes?

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Beirdo:

morning all

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peper03:

taylorr: I have no real experience with the 0.25 code but that fix certainly shouldn't break anything. Anyone using DVD playback in 0.25 is probably grateful for any improvement they can get :)

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stichnot:

peper03: thanks. After a little investigation, I see why playback exits early, and I see why mythcommflag --rebuild does nothing. As part of getting mythcommflag --rebuild working again, I want to make sure the seektable is the same as from the recorder.

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Beirdo:

we've had a lot of fun with that in the past, as I recall

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bobweaver:

Hello there Is there any RSS that I can get Myth News from ? I want to add a little marqee for news about development to my app

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superm1:

jya: curious have you tested pulseaudio since PA 2.0 added alternate-sample-rate support (it lets you set an alternate sample rate of 48000). (wrg to http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8894 still happening)

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peper03:

stichnot: http://pastebin.com/MfMbx4sf

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peper03:

stichnot: I just compared what I have in Watch Recordings and what I sent you. The original recording was about 2 minutes long. I trimmed the end off it and sent you that so the seektable in that link should just be longer.

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Beirdo:

Now that was pleasant

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stichnot:

peper03: thanks (though I haven't received any email yet)

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peper03:

stichnot: I haven't sent any email. Well, I sent you the recording by email in January, but other than that...

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stichnot:

cool, this is the seektable for that sample?

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peper03:

Yes, although the sample I only sent you the first 33 seconds (where the original is 2:12) so the seektable is longer than you'll get. If you want the full length recording, let me know.

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Captain_Murdoch:

gigem, yeah, I'd be on board with switching to the API for FE->BE communications if the performance is up to speed. a mythproto to services API wrapper layer could help ease migration. I toyed with a patch to convert a lot of the myth:// file accesses to use the backend web server, but it was a simple myth:// to http:// replacement and wouldn't handle things like remote playback since you don't want to download the recording

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Captain_Murdoch:

file like you would a channel icon.

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Captain_Murdoch:

jya, not sure if you considered the idea or not, but I wonder if a type of or extension to the buttonlist would work for your notifications. that would handle the 'scrolling' part as you delete the top button, the rest move up.

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jya:

superm1: I'm strongly convinced that the issue is with pulse resampler. So when you set it at 48kHz, it won't do any resampling, while at 44.1kHz, for most TV content it will (as the broadcast uses 48kHz)â€¦ Based on this assumption, I don't see how using alternate-sample-rate would help in any way, it would only force pulse to resample from 48kHz to 44.1kHz (the server default sampling rate), and back to 48kHz as that's what some

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jya:

audio card only support

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jya:

BTW, the issue isn't in myth pulse management; I can reproduce it using ALSA or the good old OSS when pulse has taken over those...

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jya:

Captain_Murdoch: could definitely add a button to close a notification early. wouldn't be too hard at allâ€¦ Currently you can dismiss the top notification by pressing ESC

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jya:

my cable connection is down :( using my phone now

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