| Thursday, May 16th, 2013, 00:27 UTC | ||
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| [00:47:00] | knightr: | weather forcast (instead of weather forecast) is a typo, right? |
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| [01:26:03] | stichnot: | knightr: yep |
| [01:39:09] | sphery: | danielk221: as wagnerrp mentioned, the idea behind the log server was to put logging in another process to get all the log output even if the application crashed (as well as to provide the abililty to create gdb-style backtraces for segfaults and aborts and such--but I'm not sure if Beirdo actually pushed that change or not, but he had it working) |
| [01:42:38] | sphery: | danielk221: the ideas behind DB logging were 1) we had a partial/unloved/not-well-used implementation before (that used a different API, so we wanted to consolidate them to one), 2) we know that we /always/ have write permission to the database (many users have broken file logging due to invalid file system permissions and/or running different applications as different users with different permissions) and 3) creating a way to make logging ... |
| [01:42:44] | sphery: | ... available from any client or via backend webserver or mythweb and 4) making a single location from which logging is always available (a /huge/ majority of users can't find the logs their distros have hidden or due to broken file logging and such) |
| [01:46:27] | sphery: | we hadn't finished the log viewers... the backend web application's log viewer was very limited due to the design of the web app (mainly the "fixed width/fixed height area for display of data" design that was used elsewhere) and I didn't get the frontend client or a MythWeb-proxy-of-backend-viewer done, though the XML data is easily available (and query-able) via https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/8e3ed0227 ) |
| [01:50:39] | sphery: | and, FWIW, you can actually get better-than-second granularity of syslog logging with most syslog implementations (for example, in rsyslog, many distros disable microsecond timestamps by including a line in the configuration file: $ActionFileDefaultTemplate RSYSLOG_TraditionalFileFormat , rather than using RSYSLOG_FileFormat, which is the default for rsyslog and does use high-precision timestamps) |
| [01:51:49] | sphery: | that said, all I want is a way that a user can request logs for a particular application (and, ideally, a particular instance/process of that application), even if the app was run on a different MythTV host |
| [01:53:48] | sphery: | even if we just transfer the log file with myth proto or whatever, it would be fine |
| [01:55:16] | sphery: | but we will probably have to find a way to make sure users/distros can't break file logging for some/all apps with file system permission misconfigurations and/or simply by running different mythtv apps as different users |
| [02:03:01] | knightr: | stichnot, thank you! I thought so but wasn't a 100% sure... |
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| [02:19:48] | knightr: | We have a plugin called mythwstation? (or at least the theme files think we do, there's nothing under mythplugins) |
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| [02:57:57] | ** Captain_Murdoch notices that his production mythbackend process has been up and running for over 6 months. ** | |
| [03:01:28] | danielk221: | sphery: Thanks! |
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| [03:17:19] | wagnerrp: | knightr: never heard of it |
| [03:18:04] | wagnerrp: | looks like it's something related to mythmediastream |
| [03:18:11] | wagnerrp: | (also not one of ours) |
| [03:19:20] | wagnerrp: | or perhaps a very old name for "mythweather" |
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| [04:00:13] | knightr: | wagnerrp, thanks! The description for that entry in the theme file is "View weather statistics" and the text entry is "Weather station". That entry is just after the one for MythWeather.This is in mythtv/themes/classic/mainmenu.xml which iwe maintain so its either legacy stuff or something one of us is/was working on I guess... |
| [04:00:42] | knightr: | ttyl, it's tiem for me to go to sleep... |
| [04:01:27] | bill6502: | knightr: Line 12 here: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/browser/mythtv/my . . . 0df3ca85f4a4 may be a clue (from 3 years ago.) |
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| [06:29:19] | dekarl: | knightr: sounds like a plugin to use not only external weather data, but also internal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_station# . . . ther_station |
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| [06:32:53] | eltigre: | Hey, I am looking into HDMI video capture cards that work with linux |
| [06:33:04] | eltigre: | is the HD72A card known to work? |
| [06:57:32] | dekarl: | eltigre: I think you want #linuxtv |
| [07:00:37] | eltigre: | dekarl, thanks |
| [07:01:04] | dekarl: | eltigre: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_HDTV#Native_HDMI_Capture and http://new.videohelp.com/capturecards/timeleak-hd72a/857 (says only XP and Vista supported) might be interesting, to |
| [07:02:28] | eltigre: | hm hm looks bad |
| [07:04:37] | eltigre: | I think I have to rework my plans.... rpi doesn't have the resolution I'm looking for anyway |
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| [07:50:47] | stuartm: | knightr: third party plugin, due to the way our menus currently work the only way for third parties to get an entry is if we edit our files (this needs fixing) |
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| [09:17:46] | mythological: | Hi, I have question of how to test mythTV. I live in India, and want to develop it for US market. US is a ATSC. In India, we use DVB-T, and in my city there is not DVB-T transmission also. So is there a way to test while in India for US's free to air channels? Is it possible to simulate free to air US channels in our office in India? |
| [09:39:29] | mythological: | Hi, I have question of how to test mythTV. I live in India, and want to develop it for US market. US is a ATSC. In India, we use DVB-T, and in my city there is not DVB-T transmission also. So is there a way to test while in India for US's free to air channels? Is it possible to simulate free to air US channels in our office in India? |
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| [11:21:08] | wagnerrp: | mythological: there is DVB-T "simulation" gear. it's called a digital modulator, and they're not cheap |
| [11:21:56] | wagnerrp: | you're basically creating your own television station, just without the amps and antenna |
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| [11:29:46] | knightr: | bill6502, dekarl, stuartm thank you! with the info you all provided it makes sense now... |
| [11:42:07] | mythological: | @wagenrrp Thanks for the ionformation. |
| [11:55:34] | mythological: | #wagnerrp: Thanks. Buyt does similar simulator is available for ATSC? |
| [12:02:09] | danielk221: | mythological: Last I checked DVEO sells a device that does ATSC, DVB and the Japanese standard. |
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| [12:14:15] | danielk221: | The logging-ubuntu-12_04-lts-64bit buildbot appears to be failing because the link line has system libraries before the just compiled libraries, so it attempting to link with an old installed version of mythtv. :| |
| [12:15:57] | mythological: | #danielk221 thanks. I would check DVEO. |
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| [17:10:47] | bobweaver: | Hello there i am making a mythtv frontend that will run on just about anything(qt/qml) I was wondering if anyone would like to try it or would like to make a theme for it ? |
| [17:11:30] | bobweaver: | as it can take themes just like mythtv-frontend but this will also work on cell phones and what not. play videos and tv ect |
| [17:11:38] | bobweaver: | thanks for your time |
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| [17:22:29] | stichnot: | sphery_: In the cutlist editor, if the current frame is within a cut region, the SELECT and MENU actions bring up slightly different menus. For MENU, the "Cut List Options" submenu is included as the last entry, whereas for SELECT, the submenu is not included. It would make my life easier if the actions/menus behaved the same. Do you think the distinction is important to maintain? |
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| [18:56:10] | gigem: | stichnot: Your question touches on something I've been wanting to bring up — that is the general handling of SELECT vs MENU. What I *think* makes the most sense is for SELECT to bring up a possibly limited menu of the most common actions for the currently highlighted item on the screen. MENU brings up a possibly more complete menu of actions primarily related to the whole screen or something other than the |
| [18:56:12] | gigem: | current item. The reason I said *think* earlier is because I've really only thought about this for the Watch Recordings screen where it might obviate the need for the double MENU kluge. I haven't given it much thought yet on how or if would apply to many other screens. |
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| [19:56:45] | stichnot: | gigem: I think that's a reasonable approach in general, but specifically I prefer SELECT to take instant action without prompting. E.g. in Video Library playback I find it jarring to press SELECT and sometimes be prompted whether to resume at the bookmark. |
| [19:58:12] | stichnot: | In the Playback OSD menu, I defined a "compact" menu like what you describe, with the convention that the last menu item is a submenu that takes you to the full menu. I think this follows what you're saying, except maybe for the specific choice of keybinding. |
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| [20:23:24] | gigem: | stichnot: IMO, that's what the PLAY action is for. Bind it to the play button, if you haven't already done so. |
| [20:38:00] | stichnot: | gigem: This starts to get very personal in terms of remote control layout and preferences, but my SELECT button is very close to the arrow key navigation buttons whereas the play button is a reach. I thought sphery had plans to make that kind of configuration fine-grain and customizable. |
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| [20:51:21] | gigem: | stichnot: You need a better remote. One of the reasons I love my URC-200 (http://www.universalremote.com/products/disco . . . ail/urc-200) is because of its button layout where every important button can be easily reached. The other reason is the RF capability when used with the RF-to-IR blaster. I will buy used if it ever dies and I can't find a suitable replacement. The URC-RF20 is supposed to be |
| [20:51:22] | gigem: | the replacement, but the buttons are anywhere near as nice. |
| [20:54:52] | jheizer: | Hmm, interesting discussion. Not sure if I have ever pressed the play button on my harmony remote for any device. |
| [20:56:50] | gigem: | jheizer: I've really, really, really wanted to like the Harmonies |
| [20:57:18] | gigem: | for their programability, but their ergonomics suck. |
| [20:58:14] | gigem: | Sorry, I didn't mean to be so harsh, but I do not like their button layouts nor feel. |
| [20:58:31] | jheizer: | Was just looking at the link you posted. Always keeping my eyes open as I am like you. This thing dies, I am ordering a replace of some kind that evening |
| [20:59:00] | jheizer: | I have always been happy with my 880 http://images.highspeedbackbone.net/itemDetai . . . -callout.jpg |
| [20:59:33] | jheizer: | since the basic usage is arrows, select, and volume |
| [20:59:55] | jheizer: | menu/exit/guide right below for Sat receiver |
| [21:00:22] | jheizer: | really everything else is meh |
| [21:03:29] | gigem: | Of the Harmonies, the 880 is one of the better ones. I use ff/rew quite a bit, and while not the worst, the 880s location of the transport buttons isn't the best and it's too easy to press the wrong one without looking. |
| [21:03:59] | jheizer: | Yeah, some have a real stupid layout |
| [21:05:43] | jheizer: | Whole 2 menus thing one non recodings list screen just have me thinking. Once I get past the ugh I opened the wrong menu stage what I (and family) would think. |
| [21:06:31] | jheizer: | *on non recoding |
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| [21:20:28] | stichnot: | gigem: at my house, any change to the high-level user interface (including remote control) is considered Bad. :) I currently have 3 TVs and 3 old TiVo peanut remotes. |
| [21:28:45] | gigem: | stichnot: I understand. FYI, I started to say I thought the TiVo peanut remote was pretty nice. I then remembered I had a Sony TiVo, which used a different remote that was pretty nice. |
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| [22:13:54] | jams__: | :q |
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| [23:15:00] | dekarl: | is it just me or did what bobweaver said sound a bit like it would fit into the backend webserver? |
| [23:32:33] | danielk221: | stuarta_: The ubuntu-12_04-lts doesn't have gdb installed.. Is that your Builder? The f18 builder appears to have the same problem. |
| [23:37:33] | skd5aner: | gigem: I would agree with stichnot. My remote is fashioned in such a way that I have a circular directional pad with an "ok" key in the middle... I wouldn't want to bind "play" to that nor would I want to move my thumb down to the play button |
| [23:38:11] | skd5aner: | and I've got a REALLY nice remote :) nevo q50 |
| [23:40:12] | skd5aner: | gigem: but I will say, you're spot on with the harmony remotes – I've had 4 go bad, 2 for me, and 2 for my some others in my family – kinda worthless actually. It was much better before logitech bought it |
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