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| [01:10:21] | stichnot: | jya: no testing until Mother's Day is "over" :) |
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| [12:47:47] | stuarta_: | danielk221: would you like devel/logging on the build network?? |
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| [13:04:07] | knightr: | stichnot, apart from what I had mentioned the patch seemed OK. I'll let you know if we have any translation issue once we start translating it.. |
| [13:08:34] | stichnot: | knightr: thanks. I'll be making the translation change you mentioned. |
| [13:15:08] | stichnot: | knightr: If you have a way of measuring this, I would like to know if any new translation strings have appeared, or if any old ones have gone away. The aim was not to change anything with the patch, but I expect I made some mistakes. |
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| [13:32:20] | jya: | cool… I have multi-airplay instances almost perfectly in sync… |
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| [13:36:50] | stuarta: | \o/ |
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| [14:00:06] | stichnot: | Actually my patch did change something — some aspects of PiP weren't working before as far as I could tell, hopefully I fixed it. |
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| [14:05:48] | stuarta: | jya: were you planning to resync ffmpeg to devel/resync-ffmpeg? |
| [14:06:02] | jya: | stuarta: no, I did master directly |
| [14:06:11] | jya: | was confident enough about it |
| [14:06:30] | stuarta: | ah right. so we don't need to build devel/resync-ffmpeg anymore ? |
| [14:06:37] | jya: | not this time no... |
| [14:06:50] | stuarta: | okay. |
| [14:07:02] | jya: | if we wait too much like last time, then probably yes… but this time it was only 1.5 months worth |
| [14:07:21] | stuarta: | i'm going to switch it to devel/logging for the moment. that tree is pretty active |
| [14:07:47] | stuarta: | we can switch it back when you need it again |
| [14:08:51] | jya: | ok |
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| [14:11:42] | stichnot: | stuartm, danielk221: I was searching trac for PiP problems, and found #10878, a patch from lvr. I don't really know the video buffering code, but the patch makes me suspicious that video buffers could be lost as PiP is turned off and on. Is that a reasonable suspicion? |
| [14:11:42] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10878 ** | |
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| [14:14:34] | stuarta: | switched, and building |
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| [14:59:16] | stuarta: | danielk221: i added devel/logging to the build network and every build failed :) |
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| [16:28:14] | stichnot: | knightr: There are a number of QObject::tr() calls in tv_play.cpp. Is there any reason not to change them all to tr()? I suppose one reason would be if there were identical strings in a non-TV context, but that seems very unlikely for almost all of these strings. |
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| [16:29:45] | knightr: | np, I will let you know... |
| [16:31:03] | knightr: | stichnot, assuming they are not in another class that doesn't inheit from QObject it's most likely because the person who did it did not know how to call the translation stuff properly... |
| [16:31:15] | knightr: | s/inheit/inherit... |
| [16:32:10] | knightr: | and there are ways around making the class inherit from QObject like Q_DECLARE_TR_FUNCTIONS for example... |
| [16:33:06] | knightr: | I removed some of those QObject eslsewhere so while you are there you cn remove them.... |
| [16:33:40] | knightr: | BTW, identical strings are automatically filled in by the Qt tools, the translators just have to confirm that the translation is really what they want... |
| [16:33:50] | stichnot: | OK, I'll take care of that while I'm at it |
| [16:34:00] | danielk22: | stichnot: Pretty sure a number of those are due to my not knowing about Q_DECLARE_TR_FUNCTIONS. |
| [16:34:33] | knightr: | (which is not always the case.... one of the resason I want to add disambiguation strings in some places...) |
| [16:34:44] | knightr: | stichnot, thanks! |
| [16:34:52] | stichnot: | danielk22: also, perhaps TV didn't always inherit from QObject |
| [16:35:22] | knightr: | yep, it's difficult to know the exact reason... |
| [16:36:50] | stichnot: | knightr: If I want a multi-line translator comment, does it work out if all the lines start with //: ? |
| [16:38:09] | knightr: | multiline would be more like /*: ... |
| [16:39:53] | stichnot: | knightr: i.e. this: http://pastebin.com/5Kewejhc |
| [16:40:11] | knightr: | you could use the other though because the Qt tools are somewhat dumb in how they extract (they can extract multiple time the same comment and put in multiple time in the translation file which is not very useful), it only happens when you have the exact same striing multiple time and commented each time... |
| [16:41:16] | knightr: | stichnot, that would work... |
| [16:42:17] | knightr: | I think I would use a more generic disambiguation string that says what's its used for and not a legend for what we currently put in it... |
| [16:42:43] | knightr: | but it's up to you... |
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| [16:48:16] | stichnot: | knightr, I have no idea what translators need in such a case... give me a comment string and I'll insert it. :) |
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| [20:42:54] | gigem: | stuartm: Okay. |
| [20:47:27] | stuartm: | need a faster machine :) |
| [21:05:50] | gigem: | stuartm: I got an i7 and 16 GB of RAM when I upgraded my desktop last year. It was waaaaaay overkill for what I needed, but I don't regret it a bit. :) |
| [21:12:53] | stuartm: | yeah, I was just looking at my options, I think I'll err on the side of overpowered so it won't need replacing a year later :) |
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| [21:24:30] | stuartm: | Before: Scheduled 674 items in 3.2 = 0.53 match + 1.95 check + 0.70 place Scheduled 674 items in 3.7 = 0.49 match + 2.37 check + 0.83 place |
| [21:24:39] | gary_buhrmaster: | stuartm: Note that Haswell will be announced in three weeks, which will likely produce the usual 10–20% discount on previous gen systems (YMWV), or tempt you with the new stuff (the GT3/4 GPUs might finally work with de-interlacing). |
| [21:24:52] | stuartm: | After: Scheduled 674 items in 3.0 = 0.48 match + 1.94 check + 0.60 place Scheduled 674 items in 3.0 = 0.48 match + 1.94 check + 0.60 place |
| [21:25:48] | stuartm: | gigem: so faster by between 2 and 7 tenths of a second overall |
| [21:26:50] | stuartm: | although it can vary by far more than that in normal operation, e.g. this was the result just now Scheduled 674 items in 3.9 = 0.43 match + 2.74 check + 0.69 place |
| [21:28:19] | stuartm: | gary_buhrmaster: unlikely to grab the new stuff, but I'll take a price drop on the prev gen :) |
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| [21:32:22] | stuartm: | I long ago dropped out of the hardware race, these days I aim for a balance between performance, power draw and price – this time I'll also consider a new case just because I'm tired of looking at the old one (a good 10+ years old) |
| [21:33:43] | stuartm: | maybe consolidate the DVB-T and DVB-S tuners (should anyone be selling a low profile T2+S2 card) so I can think about something smaller |
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| [21:37:10] | stuartm: | http://www.dvbshop.net/product_info.php/info/ . . . x--HDTV.html << Cool, not a bad price either |
| [21:37:44] | dekarl: | #1 |
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| [21:38:03] | dekarl: | I think Guest17628 will happily answer questions about BeirdoBot ;) |
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| [21:43:01] | stuartm: | gigem: actual scheduling decisions look identical and sane |
| [21:49:34] | gigem: | stuartm: Thanks for testing. There shouldn't be any change in the actual results, except for getting there faster. It sounds like it doesn't make that much of a difference. Do you think you'd notice it in actual use? If not, I'll save it for reconsideration when/if we do the ProgramInfo refactor. |
| [21:53:02] | stuartm: | gigem: I doubt it would be noticable, as I noted before full reschedules here can vary by as much as a second or two depending on system load etc, a few tenths of a second falls well within the usual variation and I can't even be certain that the difference I saw in my unscientific test was down to the patch |
| [21:55:28] | stuartm: | theoretically anything which prevents reduces hits on the DB is worthwhile, but it could easily wait if there's a tidier/better fix on the way |
| [21:59:05] | gary_buhrmaster: | stuartm: The Mystique does look interesting (for those of you in that part of the world), but my recollection is that the dvbsky drivers for linux were sometimes "challenging" (I have no personal experience). |
| [22:02:49] | gigem: | stuartm: Fair enough. Thanks, again. |
| [22:02:50] | stuartm: | drivers are often the Achilles heal and sadly the quality and quantity of information on driver availability and reliability is dire |
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| [22:05:05] | stuartm: | gigem: it might make a more substantial difference on a very low powered backend, something Atom or Arm based, but I don't know anyone here who is operating anything like that |
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| [22:12:26] | gigem: | stuartm: Perhaps. I vaguely recall danielk221 saying he added caching of conflicts, which would explain a minimal improvement, but I can't find any evidence of that now. There is some "IsSameProgram" caching, so I could have been thinking of that. |
| [22:13:33] | gigem: | FYI, I just heard from Beirdo. He'll restart the bot(s) when he gets home from work. |
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| [22:18:56] | stuartm: | gigem: fwiw I've just boosted your total commit count by one, in Dec 2010 you committed under the name "David Egnel" which I've now made an alias for "David Engel" |
| [22:19:36] | gigem: | Watch out danielk221. I'm gunning for you! :) |
| [22:19:46] | stuartm: | fixed up a few other aliases too, so total number of contributors will likely drop but it will be more accurate |
| [22:22:03] | stuartm: | hmm, I could overtake danielk221 if I steal stuarta's commits ... |
| [22:22:10] | gary_buhrmaster: | size (number of commits) does not matter, it is the quality and value of the commits :-) |
| [22:22:16] | stuartm: | oops, didn't mean to type that out loud |
| [22:23:14] | gary_buhrmaster: | Now that would be a challenge, evaluate the "value" of a commit (perhaps you can write something in prolog to do the analysis). |
| [22:24:13] | stuartm: | gary_buhrmaster: indeed, I've made that point before, some of us have made a lot of small commits to correct coding standards issues, spelling errors or minor performance issues which has artificially boosted our commits counts |
| [22:25:25] | stuartm: | and there are differing styles too, some people like to break larger changes up into small independent commits and others commit everything in one go |
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| [22:27:49] | stuartm: | stichnot: that could also read "non standard setups break taglib configure change" ;) |
| [22:31:09] | gary_buhrmaster: | stuartm: There are many coding metrics (commits, lines changed, non-space character added/deleted), and none are entirely satisfactory. A one line commit in the right place can be more important than a 2000 line refactor. |
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| [22:52:46] | stichnot: | stuartm: heh :) I brought up that issue here a week or two ago, and I didn't want it to get lost in case there's someone else out there like me |
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| [23:13:30] | danielk221: | I may have the largest # of commits, but it is still a terrible metric of productivity. I made maybe 20 commits at work today, but it was only because one of my tools didn't allow me to test some of the code in-situ until it was committed. On more productive days I might make a single commit. |
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| [23:30:07] | knightr: | stichnot, oops, looks like I didn't explain myself properly... :-) I would have kept the translator comments you put in http://pastebin.com/5Kewejhc and replace the disambiguation string with "OSD Live TV input selection" (or what you put as comment, "Playback OSD menu – Live TV input selection") |
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| [23:54:44] | knightr: | (it's almost equivalent though but it will be shown kinda backward since the disambiguation string is shown before the comment and it's usually done the other way in the places where we have both a disambiguation string and a comment...) |
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