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| [13:28:05] | stichnot: | stuartm: regarding 10581. Indeed, I was completely unaware of MythUIButtonList::MoveItemUpDown(). You guys are probably right about structuring this as an XML config (which also solves the problem that comes from a fixed-length setting string). |
| [13:29:02] | stichnot: | What do you think of an option to MythUIButtonList that enables 0–9 numeric key accelerators? e.g., my DISH STB does this on all its setup menus. |
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| [14:04:24] | sphery: | I'd be all for adding accelerators, but as actual specified actions that users can map themselves--we have too many places where we force overload the meaning of a button and it causes problems for users trying to remap keys or work with "other" remotes |
| [14:05:01] | sphery: | and you could then map them to 0–9 or whatever |
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| [14:20:01] | stichnot: | sphery: when a menu is displayed, very few keybindings are active, so it's a new frontier :) |
| [14:37:52] | sphery: | yeah, but making them user-assignable (and user-findable through the key bindings editor) makes it much easier to use--especially for those with remotes different from yours :) |
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| [15:47:35] | stichnot: | sphery: I guess you mean something like using actions ACCEL_0 through ACCEL_9 rather than "0" through "9", possibly with default keybindings |
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| [15:56:04] | sphery: | stichnot: Yeah, something like that. Ideally we wouldn't add default keybindings (because it will likely cause conflicts for some users)--and I know that's annoying, but once I get the key bindings "themes" done, it will be easy to make redistributable bindings "presets" without having to worry about conflicts. |
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| [16:18:21] | stuartm: | stichnot: buttonlists are used in almost every screen and not just for menus, so hardcoding 0–9 to jump around the list would be problematic, plus I've heard several different ideas about how it should work e.g. 3 should jump to the 3rd item, vs the 3rd page, vs 30% down the list, vs entries starting with the letter D (mobile phone style) |
| [16:20:38] | stuartm: | what might work for someone in one screen probably won't work in another and the very last thing we want is a confusing mess of different behaviours in different screens; e.g. the mobile phone style jump to 'letter' assumes that the list is sorted alphabetically, which is only the case in a couple of places |
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| [17:01:59] | stichnot: | stuartm: what I was suggesting is that MythUIButtonList could have an additional option to allow 0–9 accelerators for the first 10 items. This would add the prefix [n] to the first 10 items, and handle the ACCEL_n keybindings. I guess I wasn't thinking about the non-menu uses of the buttonlist, but in my opinion this would only make sense for menu buttonlists. |
| [17:04:57] | stichnot: | but actually in my case as a "power user", I never actually use the numeric accelerators, it's too much trouble to look down at the remote. The best optimization is to order the list by popularity. |
| [17:05:54] | stichnot: | so with that said, I could just drop this particular accelerator idea, and leave it in the bin of ideas for later |
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| [21:04:20] | duffrecords: | I just reinstalled my MythTV backend server, set the MySQL credentials, loaded the time zone tables, upgraded to 0.26, and imported my DB backup from the old server. mythtv-backend won't start. the only error message I'm seeing in the logs is "Error Loading en_us translation for module mythfrontend." what could be causing this? |
| [21:11:37] | duffrecords: | here's the log output: |
| [21:11:38] | duffrecords: | http://pastebin.com/Mx4J7CMm |
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| [21:12:54] | duffrecords: | it looks like it's trying to get the configuration from /home/mythtv/.mythtv, which is where it was on the old server. there is no mythtv user on this server. is there a way to update that in the database? |
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| [21:15:38] | gigem: | duffrecords: You want #mythtv-users . |
| [21:16:24] | duffrecords: | sorry |
| [21:20:45] | ** gigem thinks about removing some settings use in mythweb to further enc ** | |
| [21:20:51] | gigem: | ourage someone to add recording rule, template support. |
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| [22:01:00] | sphery: | gigem: Yeah, when I took that ticket, it was specifically to remove those settings because as long as they're there, no one is motivated to help |
| [22:01:29] | sphery: | I don't think I have the skills to actually do the template support myself |
| [22:01:50] | sphery: | #11138 specifically |
| [22:01:50] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11138 ** | |
| [22:02:08] | sphery: | as a matter of fact, I may do it right not |
| [22:02:10] | sphery: | now |
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| [22:17:03] | sphery: | I think I'll wait to push it, though--so it doesn't seem spiteful (and it isn't--the discussion on the list is just another reminder that I needed to do it). I've been planning to do it since the templates went in, so... |
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| [22:47:10] | gigem: | sphery: I don't think it's spiteful. The list activity just confirmed that it should have been done early. BTW, I don't have the PHP skills to add it myself either. |
| [22:50:35] | sphery: | yeah, I'm just expecting users to think it's spiteful--or me just trying to prove myself right when saying, "There is no setting for that" (and I don't have to prove myself right because we don't have a setting for it, but MythWeb never got rid of its use of it, so it continued to "work" for users who upgraded from older versions). |
| [22:53:16] | sphery: | gigem: something like: http://pastebin.com/iuXJBz0k |
| [22:54:23] | sphery: | the only one of those settings we still seem to use (or at least read?) is AutoTranscode |
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| [22:56:04] | sphery: | also, I find it strange (broken?) that it used to set the priority of the recording to default to the value of channel.recpriority--which kind of doubles the intended effect of a channel priority, right? |
| [23:00:14] | sphery: | And, FWIW, I didn't set "reasonable defaults" for any of them--figuring unset is probably better than "well, here in the UK, commercial flagging doesn't work, but you made it default to enabled, and most of us run a user job to run the silence detection hack and you made them disabled, so you're--once again--ignoring the non-US users" argument |
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