| Friday, February 8th, 2013, 00:06 UTC | ||
| [00:06:18] | wagnerrp: | something funky is going on with the server |
| [00:06:55] | wagnerrp: | ssh works fine, load averages are reasonable, plenty of memory free, but i can't access the web server |
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| [01:28:42] | clever: | wagnerrp: how many open connections to the server? |
| [01:29:45] | tonsofpcs: | is the port open? |
| [01:30:23] | clever: | if the port was closed, it would give a much clearer error at the client, and its likely to get filtered by mistake |
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| [05:37:42] | stichnot: | So a rogue diskless frontend filled my backend root partition with log messages. Recordings failed in an interesting way. Instead of stopping recordings at their scheduled times and later recording other shows, the first show on each tuner recorded continuously for several hours. The recordings are of course on a different partition. I have no idea how that could have happened. |
| [05:42:16] | drussell_: | I've seen mine get stuck like that when I accidentally ran out of space on the system partition before on my 0.23 a couple times... Does strange things all around :-) |
| [05:43:26] | drussell_: | It was completely pilot error fo filling the disk, copying things to the wrong place or somesuch but I specifically remember it getting stuck recording on-and-on |
| [05:50:31] | stichnot: | It's just puzzling why that should happen. With mythlogserver in place, I can't think of any reason why mythbackend needs to write to my root file system. |
| [05:53:53] | stichnot: | And of course the fallout happens while I'm traveling and I have to fix it remotely... |
| [06:19:56] | wagnerrp: | i don't understand... the frontend was causing the backend to log heavily? or the frontend was logging to a path on the backend? |
| [06:22:24] | wagnerrp: | on that note, i finally got a core dump of a "bus" exception my backend has been suffering for several weeks |
| [06:22:35] | wagnerrp: | turns out it's actually in the logging code |
| [06:23:08] | wagnerrp: | although it gets lost several commands deep in QApplication::processEvents |
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| [08:50:26] | stuarta: | dekarl: interested to know if you agree with my comment on #11399 |
| [08:50:26] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11399 ** | |
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| [14:42:58] | drussell_: | wagnerrp: re:Segfaults, mine seem to be all qt processing event problems also on the Frontend... Will experiment with logging as my backend works fine through mythlogserver but I'm only running the frontend in a terminal under gdb... Interesting |
| [14:43:45] | drussell_: | wagnerrp: (It's my frontend that is segfaulting all the time) |
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| [15:21:20] | stichnot: | wagnerrp: my diskless frontend machine's root partition (including /var/log/) is NFS-mounted from somewhere in the backend machine's root partition, and the frontend machine's log messages (not from the mythfrontend process, btw) are what filled up the backend machine's root. The main point is that the backend machine's root partition filling up somehow caused recordings to go crazy, and I... |
| [15:21:21] | stichnot: | ...can't imagine why. |
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| [15:40:42] | stuartm: | stichnot: where's your database? |
| [15:41:02] | dekarl-web: | stuarta, the part about prefering EITa over EITo makes sense, the grouping of the schedule ranges does not. The reasoning being that the TableID within each range is a function of time until broadcast. (First TableID starting at last midnight UTC. And each TableID covering 4*24 hours worth of programming.) |
| [15:43:41] | dekarl-web: | 32 segments with 8 sections each => 256 sections per table id. one segment covering 3 hours => 32*3 == 96 hours per TableID => 4 days per TableID |
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| [17:11:54] | stichnot: | stuartm: aha, that must explain it. DB is also on the root partition. |
| [17:17:27] | stuartm: | stichnot: yeah, mysql fails spectacularly when it runs out of space and that causes all sorts of problems for the backend |
| [17:18:37] | stuartm: | it's the one big issue I have with mysql, it doesn't handle that situation gracefully |
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| [17:35:36] | jpabq: | I have always just relied on the web, for Qt documentation. I have to wonder if actually buying a book would improve my skill level, though. Anyone have any recommendations? |
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| [21:20:16] | jpabq: | stichnot: I know why the recorded seek map is different than the commflag --rebuild one. I actually recognized this problem when I was writing the patch, but I chose to ignore it. The problem is in the way the audio packets are interleaved with the video packets. The recorder ends up marking the keyframe one audio packet too soon. |
| [21:22:07] | jpabq: | The reason I chose to ignore it, is solving it GREATLY complicates the detection — to get it right requires actually decoding the PTS of each packet, and then keeping track of every audio packet we see, along with it's PTS, so it's PTS can then be compared with the video packet to see if the audio PTS >= the video PTS. |
| [21:23:40] | jpabq: | Right from the start, the HD-PVR generates an audio packets that does NOT go with the first video packet, followed by a couple of audio packets that DO go with the first video packet, followed by the first video packet. |
| [21:24:57] | jpabq: | mythcommflag --rebuild actually decodes everything, so it is easy for it to seek which packets go together. When recording we decode as little as possible. |
| [21:25:04] | taylorr: | jpabq: yes, I've noticed that the audio is present well before video packets start arriving |
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| [21:27:33] | taylorr: | I still don't understand why seek tables would different... what is different about them? is the frame numbers different or are the byte positions wrong, etc? |
| [21:28:22] | jpabq: | With my patch (at least) frame numbers match. byte offsets are different though — by the size of one audio packet, typicall. |
| [21:28:26] | jpabq: | typically |
| [21:28:29] | stichnot: | jpabq: It seems like that should only make the keyframe numbers off by one (or a small constant), but it seems like the keyframe numbers drift apart. |
| [21:29:20] | taylorr: | doesn't the recorder and commflag use different MPEG-2 parsers? |
| [21:30:17] | jpabq: | The recorder has a different parser for PS vs. TS. I actually don't really know what the comflagger uses. |
| [21:30:49] | stichnot: | taylorr: I believe they both use the h264 parser |
| [21:30:51] | taylorr: | I thought the commflagger used ffmpeg and the recorder used our own (based off of old-ffmpeg code) |
| [21:31:28] | taylorr: | so this is only a problem with h264? |
| [21:31:35] | jpabq: | For H.264, I wrote the parser used by the recorder — back when I first got my HD-PVR. I have not really looked at mpeg2 parsing. |
| [21:32:13] | jpabq: | I have not compared the results for mpeg2 (ATSC). |
| [21:32:44] | stichnot: | taylorr: I also haven't done this comparison yet for my HDHR/ATSC recordings. |
| [21:33:01] | stichnot: | I guess I could also do it for PVR-150 recordings |
| [21:34:11] | stichnot: | The reason I was focused on HDPVR is because that's where lossless cut complaints from users are coming from. |
| [21:34:34] | jpabq: | stichnot: while I could "solve" this problem in the recorder, I am still included to live with it the way it is. I am just not convinced the solution is worth the extra complication. |
| [21:35:27] | stichnot: | jpabq: I'm not yet convinced this is entirety of the problem. Give me a minute to explain... |
| [21:35:51] | jpabq: | stichnot: I did a "tail -c +<offset>" using both the offset from the recorder, and the offset from commflag --rebuild, and either way "ffprobe" is happy with the result. With the offset from the recorder, it just ends up discarding one audio packet off the front. |
| [21:37:15] | taylorr: | sounds like the byte position in the recorder code is getting updated after it is written for the keyframe |
| [21:37:16] | jpabq: | The problem is really going to be the loss of that audio packet from the previous clip, if the previous clip is being preserved. |
| [21:37:56] | stichnot: | http://pastebin.com/Lvmkcc8U is the seektable produced by the recorder for 3 back-to-back recordings. http://pastebin.com/Rzk6K1Sz is the seektable after mythcommflag --rebuild. Compare line 216 of both files. The recorder says the last keyframe is frame 13565, but mythcommflag says 13511. How can the 54-frame difference be explained? This is a gradual drift over time. |
| [21:40:21] | jpabq: | stichnot: that is interesting. I did a very similar comparison myself, and the framenumbers matched perfectly for me — the only variation was the offset. |
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| [21:42:35] | taylorr: | stichnot: any chance the recording is damaged in any way? |
| [21:43:27] | jpabq: | stichnot: in your past from commflag --rebuild, it is occasionally showing the distance between keyframes as 125 instead of 128. |
| [21:44:09] | stichnot: | taylorr: it's hard to imagine how it would be damaged. The input is a DISH vip211, locked to 720p output, and the HDPVR is recording component video and stereo audio (not AC3). |
| [21:45:21] | stichnot: | jpabq: yes, in the small number of tests I have done, sometimes the keyframes line up perfectly and sometimes 1–3 frames are "dropped" on occasion. I haven't discovered any pattern yet. |
| [21:46:25] | taylorr: | stichnot: have you dumped all the packets with ffprobe and compared results? |
| [21:46:29] | jpabq: | Dish users used to complain about their HD-PVR recordings having A/V sync problems. I have to wonder if there is a correlation there... |
| [21:46:50] | stichnot: | taylorr: no. What is a suitable ffprobe command line? |
| [21:47:31] | stichnot: | jpabq: By sticking to a certain hdpvr firmware version and avoiding AC3 audio (both input and output), I manage to avoid the synchronization problems. |
| [21:47:38] | jpabq: | ffprobe -show_packets <file> |
| [21:47:56] | jpabq: | ffprobe -show_frames <file> |
| [21:48:38] | neufeld: | if you want just the frame number and offset, you can get that with ''ffmpeg -vf showinfo -f null'' More compact. |
| [21:49:01] | taylorr: | stichnot: you need to pretty print the output |
| [21:49:34] | taylorr: | then it will show you the information with the AVFrame, AVPacket, etc fields displayed |
| [21:49:43] | stichnot: | my ffprobe doesn't understand -show_frames |
| [21:50:15] | taylorr: | stichnot: ffprobe has changed it's arguments over time... just run -h and you should find what to use |
| [21:51:17] | jpabq: | neufeld: Unknown input format: 'null'. Maybe different versions support different options? |
| [21:51:51] | neufeld: | jpabq : full invocation I use is ffmpeg -nostats -i <FILE> -vf showinfo -f null - |
| [21:52:03] | stichnot: | my ffprobe has -show_{formats,packets,streams,region} . This is I believe the ffprobe from ubuntu 10.04 which is probably ancient |
| [21:52:29] | jpabq: | neufeld: that worked. Thanks. |
| [21:52:51] | taylorr: | stichnot: probably should compile from git |
| [21:55:50] | taylorr: | neufeld: very cool command |
| [21:55:51] | neufeld: | jpabq: I've also noted the drift between mythcommflag --rebuild and ffmpeg showinfo. mythcommflag seems occasionally to drop a frame index on the floor, so the frame number gradually falls further and further behind while the position offsets remain exactly the same. That is, ffmpeg says the key frame is at n=100,pos=100000, but mythcommflag rebuild finds one at n=99,pos=100000. My guess at the time was that the |
| [21:55:51] | neufeld: | code that assembles packets was occasionally missing one packet, pasting it onto another and counting it as a single double-length packet. I never dove deeply enough into the code to check out this hypothesis. |
| [21:56:54] | neufeld: | that ffmpeg command is optionally used in the scripts at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Transcoding_Preserving_Captions . I use it in that mode, and it works perfectly for viewing. |
| [21:56:57] | stichnot: | neufeld: you use this for the lossless hdpvr transcoding, right? |
| [21:57:00] | jpabq: | neufeld: that would follow exactly what stichnot is seeing. |
| [21:57:16] | neufeld: | stichnot: my transcoding isn't lossless. |
| [21:58:15] | neufeld: | stichnot: it transcodes to high profile, with a particular qmax, but it has exact cuts, which is nice. |
| [22:00:43] | stichnot: | neufeld: which version of the seektable do you find to be accurate — recorder or mythcommflag? |
| [22:02:32] | stichnot: | My (ancient) version of ffmpeg found keyframes exactly every 125 frames on that test recordings. I don't believe it. |
| [22:02:45] | stichnot: | ffmpeg -nostats -i /storage3/recordings/12720_20130207003100.mpg -vf showinfo -f null – 2>&1 | grep iskey:1 |
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| [22:03:12] | neufeld: | stichnot: I can't tell the difference. Consider this: I want to see to 15s into the recording. That's 450 frames in. Now the seek looks for a keyframe near there. It finds one at n=413. Or n=412 with the other seek table. Can I see the difference? Not really. It plays the same frame, it just has a slightly different time offset. |
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| [22:04:46] | stichnot: | neufeld: My example above has a difference of 54 frames (nearly 1 second worth) over a 3-minute recording |
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| [22:09:46] | neufeld: | stichnot: I wouldn't notice a 1 second error in the time-elapsed counter on the OSD in casual viewing, which is why I can't tell the difference. |
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| [22:19:20] | taylorr: | stichnot: is the showinfo filter giving you anything other than '0' for pos:? |
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| [22:20:56] | stichnot: | taylorr: yes, they are generally increasing values but they occasionally jump back a bit |
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| [22:21:48] | taylorr: | weird... I get "pos:0" for everything I've tried so far |
| [22:22:36] | taylorr: | must be my version of ffmpeg |
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| [22:24:26] | stichnot: | Just to be clear, the reason I'm interested in this discrepancy is not because of minor errors in seeking or time display. There are two issues I know of. First, the frontend implements seeking by initially seeking to the nearest keyframe, then seeking forward frame-by-frame to the desired frame. If the keyframe numbers don't represent actual keyframes, then seeking could be extra slow,... |
| [22:24:27] | stichnot: | ...especially with the HD-PVR's keyframe distance of 128. Second, if users' scripts rely on incorrect keyframe numbers for lossless cut scripts, they will probably get corruption at the split points. |
| [22:25:41] | jpabq: | stichnot: understood. And I agree. |
| [22:26:54] | taylorr: | stichnot: you might want to check for any flags that can be set regarding dropping damaged frames |
| [22:28:27] | taylorr: | stichnot: looks like there is a "discardcorrupt" flag for -fflags... wonder if it's getting set anywhere |
| [22:29:01] | taylorr: | stichnot: maybe try ffprobe with and without setting that flag and see if you sample produces the same output |
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| [22:33:20] | taylorr: | jpabq: did you add changes recently for the hdpvr recorder to not starting writing until a keyframe is seen? |
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| [22:34:20] | jpabq: | taylorr: it has always done that, but it has been doing it wrong. http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11328 |
| [22:34:39] | jpabq: | taylorr: I have not commit that patch yet. I probably will early next week. |
| [22:35:04] | taylorr: | jpabq: ok, seems like my hdpvr recordings have a ton of non-keyframes before the first keyframe |
| [22:35:21] | taylorr: | glad it's getting fixed |
| [22:35:24] | jpabq: | Yup. That last patch should fix it. |
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| [22:35:54] | taylorr: | should help make converting easier |
| [22:37:48] | taylorr: | jpabq: should it apply very easily to 0.25? |
| [22:38:32] | jpabq: | neufeld says that it doesn't but I have not looked at why. If I had to guess, it could just simply be due to dtvrecorder.cpp having been moved into a subdirectory. |
| [22:41:08] | taylorr: | jpabq: too bad the start_time of the first audio packet has such a large delta with the start_time of the first video packet |
| [22:42:00] | taylorr: | this makes transcoding an issue... I think most if not all software assumes the start_times are the same when they reset the timestamps |
| [22:43:13] | jpabq: | taylorr: what makes it so tricky, is that for the HD-PVR we see a "audio payload start" followed by a couple of audio packets, then we see a "video payload start". Of those first ~3 audio packets, one the last two have a PTS >= than the first video pkt. We can't really strip off the first audio pkt without messing up the payload header. |
| [22:43:45] | jpabq: | only the last two.. |
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| [22:44:21] | taylorr: | that's a bummer... I can get this all fixed up manually but it's a pain |
| [22:44:43] | taylorr: | having the first video frame be a keyframe will help for sure |
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| [23:07:16] | jpabq: | DB backups are a GOOD thing |
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| [23:17:19] | stichnot: | jpabq, taylorr: building ffmpeg version 1.1 from source, it finds keyframes every 128 frames on my sample. This is exactly the same as the recorder, except consistently off by 3 frames (the recorder reports the first nonzero keyframe as 125). |
| [23:18:15] | jpabq: | stichnot: interesting. |
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| [23:27:22] | gigem: | I hadn't look at torc in quite a while. Does anyone know what happened to it? I'm probably missing something, but AFAICT, markk scrapped the original fork and restarted some kind of client-only thing. |
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