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| [00:06:41] | knightr: | xris, stuartm, kenni, sphery, looks a lot like Pootle (the program I have been looking at and helping their devs fix the problems with how it handles Qt ts files) to me (the screens look way too much like Pootle screens not to be Pootle...) I had a server in my DMZ setted up to do some more exhaustive tests but my firewall blew up (it was a PC) before I had a chance to do them... If I can get the time to rebuild my firewall reactivating that se |
| [00:06:41] | knightr: | rver shoudln't be a problem... |
| [00:07:40] | knightr: | s/not to be Pootle/not to be inspired by Pootle/ |
| [00:13:51] | knightr: | it would be nice to start by making the wiki translatable though (hint) (hint) I had people interested in translating the wiki... |
| [00:20:53] | knightr: | transifex is free for open-source projects but it appears to be closed-source while Pootle is open-source and we could get it hosted or host it ourselves... |
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| [00:50:13] | Seeker: | Anyone else had problems with master suddenly not getting a lock for any recordings? |
| [00:53:55] | stichnot: | Not here. I have a number of recent HD-PVR and HDHR recordings. |
| [00:54:33] | Seeker: | Just started today |
| [00:54:51] | Seeker: | Can't get a lock on either freesat or freeview |
| [00:56:03] | Seeker: | Lots of QUERY_RECORDER messages on the backend |
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| [02:17:04] | xris: | knightr: interesting. google turns up some conversations from early 2011 about transifex.net being dead, and moving people over to pootle. sounds like it may have been reborn as transifex.com running on pootle |
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| [05:19:07] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: you about? |
| [05:26:52] | wagnerrp: | or anyone else with admin privileges on github |
| [05:27:02] | wagnerrp: | seems i have no control over pull requests |
| [05:33:59] | xris: | wagnerrp: ? |
| [05:34:17] | wagnerrp: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/pull/31 |
| [05:34:25] | xris: | Beirdo's probably in a work-induced coma (oh wait, BB10 isn't out yet so that means he's probably just working) |
| [05:34:28] | wagnerrp: | i can add a comment, but i can't seem to control it in any way |
| [05:35:49] | xris: | weird |
| [05:36:29] | xris: | you want repo owner privs? |
| [05:37:02] | wagnerrp: | well i'm about to close the ticket with a different commit, but have no way to close the pull request |
| [05:38:01] | xris: | I closed it, then. |
| [05:38:02] | wagnerrp: | or you could just do that |
| [05:38:03] | wagnerrp: | thanks |
| [05:38:18] | xris: | is the reopen button active for you? |
| [05:38:31] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [05:38:36] | xris: | weird |
| [05:39:11] | wagnerrp: | any way to view the raw diff? |
| [05:39:41] | xris: | of the pull req? |
| [05:39:50] | wagnerrp: | nevermind, i'll just use the email he has here |
| [05:40:08] | xris: | weird, looks like not |
| [06:15:37] | xris: | looks like there's only a "pull" permission, and since we don't use github as a master repo it's disabled for everyone except for a few of us. and without pull privs you can't even close a pull req. odd. |
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| [12:25:11] | stuartm: | knightr: we can get it setup on alcor and do the testing there, that way other devs will be able to play with it and give feedback |
| [12:26:57] | stuartm: | must admit I'm curious about how Pootle works, e.g. whether once there is a satisfactory translation of a string it can be locked |
| [12:27:28] | knightr: | stuartm, I still have to do some tests to make sure the format is OK, apply fixes, etc and as soon as it's on Alcor that will no longer be a possibility.... |
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| [12:27:59] | knightr: | (and it's more translator feedback I would seek that dev feedback...) |
| [12:28:28] | knightr: | and to answer your question, no... |
| [12:28:33] | knightr: | it can always be changed... |
| [12:28:58] | knightr: | which is a good thing since translators don't always get it right... |
| [12:31:55] | knightr: | another thing with Pootle (unless they fixed some limitations it has) is that some of the modifications I am making (context changes, etc...) need to be done before we start using it otherwise translators will have to redo some of their translations (context changes are handled pretty well by lupdate for example but not by Pootle...) |
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| [12:36:54] | knightr: | there is a concept of approval of the translation but people who can approve can always change it later... |
| [12:49:18] | stuartm: | knightr: my concern is that a translator who may be fluent does get it right but it then gets changed by someone who doesn't understand the language so well |
| [12:56:13] | stuartm: | crowd sourcing is a great idea, but we don't want a situation where more time is spent policing changes than is spent actually translating |
| [12:59:11] | knightr: | stuartm, the way it works we could open access to submit translation to everybody but only let the current translators approve the translation OR only let the current translators submit and approve.. |
| [12:59:24] | knightr: | s/translation/translations |
| [13:00:14] | knightr: | ie we have control over who has the last word over each of the translations... |
| [13:00:57] | knightr: | it can even be done on a per translation basis... |
| [13:02:35] | knightr: | (ie the Polish translator could decide he wants to let people submit translation suggestion while the Spanish translator could decide he only wants his team to be able to submit and approve...) |
| [13:06:54] | knightr: | once I rebuild my firewall I could give you access to my Pootle server, the reason why it was in my DMZ was to be able to give access to people not in my home network access to it... for now I would prefer to still have access to tweak the software which won't be possible once it's on alcor (a situation similar to the wiki translation were I have people interested in doing it but nobody who could update the wiki software currently has the time |
| [13:06:55] | knightr: | or the will to do it...) |
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| [13:49:43] | danielk22: | stichnot: I don't know, but I can tell you that my original 708 implementation was based on the very loosey goosey 708-A or 708-B and things were tightened up a bit in later revs (now at 708-D). In particular I think they changed DefineWindow behavior with respect to column lock. |
| [14:01:30] | danielk22: | BTW I have a copy of the latest 608, if you need me to look anything up. Mark Kendall has the copy of the latest 708-D. |
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| [14:21:51] | stichnot: | danielk22: thanks. So far I've found the wikipedia CEA-708 article to be very good. e.g. it says 708-C assumes row/column locking. The idea in our code of expanding the window buffer when rows increases but clearing it when columns changes or rows decreases just looks like a mistake that never got fully tested. |
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| [14:39:16] | danielk22: | stichnot: The original 708 article is based on the MythTV implementation... so some bugs may be shared.. |
| [14:39:43] | stichnot: | cool! No wonder it seems so relevant. |
| [14:40:14] | danielk22: | :) |
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| [16:32:54] | peper03: | Can anyone see any problems adding a call to 'UpdateVideo()' here https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . yer.cpp#L136 ? |
| [16:41:23] | peper03: | s/UpdateVideo/UnpauseVideo/ |
| [16:43:30] | peper03: | Actually, it *should* be being handled in this block: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . yer.cpp#L142 |
| [16:44:48] | peper03: | This is what is causing the horrible flickering sometimes when jumping from a still frame to video. MythPlayer::videoPaused remains set to 'true'. It seems to be timing dependent and I can only reproduce it with OpenGL. |
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| [17:05:49] | stuartm: | knightr: sorry I was out for a few hours, per translation policies sounds good, especially letting people submit translations for the unmaintained translations or for new translations but only allowing approved translators on the well maintained translations |
| [17:32:18] | stichnot: | peper03: is there a sample I can test it on? |
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| [17:49:32] | peper03: | stichnot: I'll try to create a sample in a bit. I think it *may* make more sense to remove the check for !inStillFrame in line 159. If the ringbuffer is waiting for the player, it doesn't really matter whether we just were in a still frame or not. I'll have to check the state of 'allPaused' though. |
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| [18:41:20] | jheizer_: | Bah I can't find a buffer level that the kindle can relaible stream. Sometimes it takes 30 minutes before it drops, but it eventually does. |
| [18:42:09] | jheizer_: | So pain to test. iPad does fine. Android/Amazon just needs a larger buffer on the player. |
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| [21:00:16] | peper03: | stichnot: I've finally managed to create a sample DVD that can be used to reproduce the problem. Look in stuartm's repository for 'StillToVideoToMenu.iso'. |
| [21:03:09] | peper03: | In most cases https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . fer.cpp#L607 will cause the ringbuffer to wait for the player again but in this case the condition (which makes my brain hurt) remains false. |
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| [21:17:49] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: any chance you could bring at least the doxygen buildbot back up when you get some spare time? |
| [21:18:56] | wagnerrp: | looks like it's been down since yesterday evening |
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| [23:48:44] | knightr: | stuartm, no problem and as you can see I was also away for a few hours as well. what you said is more or less what I had in mind and there's also the hybrid between the two solution of letting people offer suggestions but let our approved translators decide to accept them or not. for unmaintained or very incomplete translation letting people submit translations directly is better is good but there comes a point where we need approved translator |
| [23:48:44] | knightr: | s to ensure consistency throughout the translation.. |
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| [23:51:58] | knightr: | I should have some spare time pretty soon so I'll try to work on that project (online translation) and what needs to be done before it can be put in place... |
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