| Wednesday, November 28th, 2012, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:11] | danielk22: | The code for this hasn't changed in many months. So I thought maybe someone would have run into this already. |
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| [00:08:43] | gigem: | sphery: I thought BJM was already gone when you made the change, but left the old way just in case anyone else was using it. |
| [00:10:10] | gigem: | danielk22: All recordings on the same channel? Same or different virtual tuners? If you like, I'll see if I can reproduce it myself. |
| [00:10:33] | danielk22: | same channel + same tuner |
| [00:11:51] | danielk22: | gigem: There is still plenty of digging left for me to do, but if you can reproduce easily it would provide another data point. |
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| [02:01:10] | sphery: | gigem: yeah, he was gone, but I wasn't sure how gone :) |
| [02:17:20] | skd5aner: | lots of ghosts lingering in all those rows of code |
| [02:20:23] | gigem: | danielk22: I'll see what I can do. It may take me a few days, though. |
| [02:25:01] | gigem: | sphery: I've talked to him a few times in the last couple of years. I believe he's gone, but am not totally sure he doesn't still use his own, old version of MythTV. He started his own, personal, DVR project, but don't believe he got much further than the requirements stage before he had some medical issues and then had to end his early retirement and go back to work. |
| [02:28:32] | sphery: | Ah, OK. I hope he's doing well, now. But, yeah, I don't think it's worth keeping anymore. |
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| [04:10:46] | dfgas-cr48: | hello |
| [04:11:17] | dfgas-cr48: | how would i tell the guide that 81–7 is actually channel 12 or 612? |
| [04:11:29] | dfgas-cr48: | but the real channel number is 81–7 |
| [04:11:47] | dfgas-cr48: | i just want it to pull the listing for 12 or 612 |
| [04:14:45] | gregL: | dfgas-cr48, you want #mythtv-users |
| [04:14:58] | dfgas-cr48: | ty |
| [04:15:04] | gregL: | yw |
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| [16:12:04] | jheizer: | Hey I have a little side project I am work on that works with Myth. |
| [16:12:23] | jheizer: | I was trying to find if there were any rules around using the word Myth in the name |
| [16:12:31] | jheizer: | but was coming up short |
| [16:13:30] | jheizer: | ex mythmote, mythbuntu, mythtv for android... |
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| [16:14:04] | jheizer: | mythtv-status |
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| [17:10:14] | Captain_Murdoch: | jheizer, I believe we are fine with you using 'Myth', but we'd need to see the desired 'MythTV' name to answer about that. We don't want people thinking that a 3rd party product is actually MythTV or a part of MythTV. The guys creating the Android client were asked to change from "MythTV For Android" to something else for that reason. |
| [17:11:38] | jheizer: | Yeah understood and caught the post back when about the android app |
| [17:11:43] | jheizer: | what prompted me to ask |
| [17:12:34] | jheizer: | Only started this yesterday and I bet if will be used by very few as it is asp.net based |
| [17:12:54] | jheizer: | but a simple hls mobile web client |
| [17:13:36] | jheizer: | But still wanted to release it as some may find it useful |
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| [17:13:50] | jheizer: | and hope to keep it mono compatible |
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| [17:15:33] | Beirdo: | dumbass network |
| [17:16:55] | Captain_Murdoch: | jheizer, your HLS support will get much simpler in the future (hopefully before 0.27 is out). I'm slowly working on an on-demand encoder that won't need the current API, you'll just 'play' http://backendIP:port/HLS/path/to/some/file.mpg.hlsd.m3u8 and it will create the playlist and video segments on demand as they are requested with a little bit of logic to pre-encode the next 2 segments after the last one requested so they're |
| [17:16:56] | Captain_Murdoch: | ready when requested. |
| [17:17:38] | jheizer: | ha I thought this was all easy enough |
| [17:17:52] | jheizer: | had a basic streaming client going in a night on the ipad |
| [17:18:17] | jheizer: | can't seem to get the right video tags or get android to pop into an external player |
| [17:18:28] | jheizer: | on .25 still |
| [17:19:13] | jheizer: | We had a baby 2 weeks ago and I finally convinced the wife to use the android app to stream shows while feeding. Night #2 there was and update that broke it. |
| [17:19:13] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2 ** | |
| [17:19:29] | jheizer: | decided to spit something out myself real fast that would work on our phones and the ipad |
| [17:23:42] | jheizer: | I was thinking something along the lines of MobileMyth.Net, but again just started lst night so have not given it much thought. |
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| [18:05:14] | Captain_Murdoch: | jheizer, yeah, Android definitely doesn't handle it as smoothly. there have been several discussions on the -users list about that. I think I've been using mx player recently with the Android client on my tablet, but I haven't touched the thing in 3–4 weeks due to limited time. mainly using my iPhone and JW Player to test the on-demand encoding. |
| [18:13:10] | jheizer: | yeah it was working pretty good with the previous version |
| [18:13:32] | jheizer: | I mean to mark it to not auto update but forgot. Now I do not even get a recordings list. |
| [18:17:39] | stuartm: | Captain_Murdoch: what format are we encoding into? |
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| [18:34:49] | jheizer: | stuartm: ts container, h264/AAC in newer myth, mp3 audio in older |
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| [18:50:07] | stichnot: | stuartm: Yesterday I tried out the startup/seek improvement commit. I didn't find startup noticeably faster than it used to be, though I had vaguely noticed the recent degradation in startup time and it seems to be fixed now. Seeking was very fast, but I can't remember how fast it was before. I'll try undoing the commit and comparing. |
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| [19:07:37] | danielk22: | stichnot: it only has an effect on mythstreaming. If you had a local frontend or use NFS seeking was already pretty fast. |
| [19:09:36] | danielk22: | s/mythstreaming/mythproto streaming |
| [19:10:10] | stichnot: | danielk22: my frontend is on a separate machine from the backend, and uses storage groups not NFS. It's a gigabit wired network with ordinary 1–2TB hard drives on the backend. |
| [19:11:38] | danielk22: | stichnot: H.264 or MPEG-2 files? |
| [19:12:42] | stichnot: | both. hdpvr recordings can be slow skipping back 5 seconds if the code decides to seek to an exact frame, but keyframe seeks are very snappy |
| [19:13:34] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: looks like i'll need to update my mythtv base for Qt4.8 |
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| [19:13:51] | wagnerrp: | it's been a while since i've updates, so im still on 4.7 |
| [19:14:33] | stichnot: | wagnerrp: I built and installed Qt4.8 yesterday, found it quite painless |
| [19:14:43] | wagnerrp: | for freebsd |
| [19:15:04] | danielk22: | Where the change helps is when ffmpeg seeks to near the EOF and reads to the end. It's the EOF detection that was slow. Something like 200 ms before the mythsocket merge and 1500 msec after, and now down to about 30 ms. |
| [19:15:43] | stichnot: | I see |
| [19:16:03] | wagnerrp: | stichnot: i was more referring to the freebsd buildbot reporting failures... http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/master-freebsd-64bit |
| [19:16:13] | danielk22: | I think you should at least see the 170 ms improvement in playback startup. But maybe that is masked on an Atom ? |
| [19:16:28] | stichnot: | wagnerrp: I see |
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| [19:19:02] | stuartm: | jheizer: ok thanks, I'll have to see how well Opera Mobile on Android handles that |
| [19:21:07] | taylorr: | danielk22, stichnot: does this optimization for the ringbuffer apply to 0.25? |
| [19:21:20] | taylorr: | or did the mythsocket changes go in after? |
| [19:22:40] | danielk22: | taylorr: It won't apply, but I mentioned in here yesterday what piece of code to move to get the same effect in 0.25. |
| [19:22:55] | danielk22: | If you could test that it would be appreciated. |
| [19:23:01] | stichnot: | danielk22: I processed my frontend logs to look at the timestamp differences between "tv->Playback begin" and "tv->Playback end". They vary pretty widely between 2–4 seconds, so I would need a lot of samples to be confident of a 170ms decrease. |
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| [19:38:47] | taylorr: | danielk22: sure, I use mythproto on my main FE running 0.25 |
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| [20:26:05] | peper03: | stuartm: Any ideas how we can tie a menu overlay to the cell it belongs to? At the moment the overlay is being shown as soon as it has been decoded but the video renderer is generally a very noticeable amount behind the decoder so the overlay appears too early. |
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| [20:27:17] | peper03: | I've got a fix that seems to handle animated menus but there's still a problem with still menus that have a short animated intro. The overlay appears over the intro instead of when the still appears. |
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| [20:47:37] | stuartm: | peper03: not off the top of my head, the video rendering/overlay stuff isn't normally my area, stichnot might have an idea since he's done a lot of recent work on the subtitle code which has to deal with similar issues |
| [20:48:42] | stuartm: | peper03: I'm happy to dig into it and maybe offer some suggestion, but it won't be tonight |
| [20:52:02] | peper03: | If you find anything, I'm all ears. VLC and XBMC both manage it. XBMC does some wierd things with the timecode (which have caused me no end of headaches trying to follow the logic). I haven't figured out how VLC does it yet. |
| [20:53:49] | peper03: | I think in general there's room for error whenever the player/renderer asks the ringbuffer for any current state. The ringbuffer will always give the current state and not the state that matches with where the renderer is up to. |
| [20:54:42] | peper03: | stichnot: (or anyone else) If you have any pointers or ideas, ^^^ :) |
| [20:55:22] | peper03: | This was supposed to be a quick, aesthetic fix and has turned into a journey into hell :) |
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| [21:08:58] | stuartm: | heh |
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| [21:41:26] | stichnot: | peper03, stuartm: I've touched on the DVD subtitle display, but nothing about the display timecode. Once I tried to figure out how to get myth to fast-forward through a still frame (like FBI Warning) but gave up. I feel your pain. :) |
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| [21:42:50] | peper03: | Bugger :) I noticed as well some error messages about dropping video frames to allow audio to catch up whilst it was displaying a still frame... :-o |
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| [21:49:00] | peper03: | stichnot, stuartm: Ok, maybe this can be approached from a different angle. I keep reading bits about detecting timecode discontinuity (e.g. via the NAV_PACKET event) but I've not managed to find anything about what you *should* do about it. |
| [21:50:55] | peper03: | XBMC (which apparently is the perfect player :) ) detects discontinuity and fixes up the timecode (using various bits of black magic and incantations). But I can only see this one case at the moment where that would help. It seems a lot of effort to go to just to ensure an overlay appears at the right time. |
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| [22:07:03] | stuartm: | peper03: seems like there should be an easier way, I can't imagine that they wouldn't have considered this when they created the DVD spec |
| [22:10:53] | peper03: | stuartm: That's what I would have thought as well. I've altered it so that we take into account the current pts when decoding and apply that to the start and end times of the overlay but that doesn't work with a still frame. You have an effective timecode of 0 and any video intro will automatically have a timecode >0 so the overlay gets shown. |
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| [22:36:19] | Captain_Murdoch: | stuartm, yeah, the HLS spec requires mpegts container, h264 video and either MP3 or AAC audio. the AVFormatWriter class being used can write to any libav* container and codec though, but that hasn't been tested with many formats yet other than what's needed for HLS. and audio format is selected at compile time depending on what libs are configured. --enable-libmp3lame has top precedence, then --enable-libfaac, then libav*'s i |
| [22:36:20] | Captain_Murdoch: | nternal AAC encoder which is still flagged experimental. |
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| [22:41:47] | Captain_Murdoch: | actually, think I stated that backwards, need to fix my on-demand patch. master #if checks for libfaac, then libmp3lame, then falls back to internal AAC. I reversed those in my on-demand patch to test something and never switched them back. |
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| [23:11:22] | stuartm: | Captain_Murdoch: I'm interested in what the on-demand encoder could do for HTML5 video, to replace the existing flash/ffmpeg, there's slightly different codec requirements there for some browsers/platforms anyway |
| [23:14:27] | stuartm: | I don't have an ipad and my android phone can stream files via upnp without the need to re-encode, but I would like to see remote access to recordings via the http/html interface |
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