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| [02:08:42] | danielk22: | stuartm: Temp tables are cleared as soon as mfdb exits or rather as soon as the connection to the DB is severed. |
| [02:09:05] | danielk22: | Oh, temp files. |
| [02:09:55] | danielk22: | Read that wrong, with the patch we won't be using any temp files except in a directory we create per mfdb run. It hasn't been applied yet. |
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| [04:50:58] | davygrvy: | anyone have experience manipulating VBI data? |
| [04:54:23] | davygrvy: | anyone know about how TVGOS data is formatted in VBI? |
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| [05:00:12] | wagnerrp: | VBI data is really of little value in north america |
| [05:00:34] | wagnerrp: | or, EIT data, rather |
| [05:00:41] | wagnerrp: | no one sends guide data using VBI |
| [05:08:45] | davygrvy: | actually :) I'm trying to figure a way to fake guide data |
| [05:09:42] | wagnerrp: | eh? |
| [05:10:25] | davygrvy: | old dvrs and tvs that use TVGOS become bricks on april31 2013 |
| [05:10:52] | clever: | davygrvy: about all i can think of, get a pvr-150 |
| [05:11:17] | clever: | davygrvy: then you have some way to receive the data and decode it, that doesnt depend on the DVR being dumb and giving a simple yes/no answer |
| [05:11:21] | wagnerrp: | sounds like it's simply time to replace them |
| [05:11:47] | davygrvy: | they'd work fine if I can fake it |
| [05:11:59] | wagnerrp: | clever: he's saying he wants to put some video encoder in place, that captures the video, and then outputs it with it's own guide data encoded in the VBI lines |
| [05:12:10] | clever: | yeah |
| [05:12:17] | wagnerrp: | so that the existing analog DVR continues to function |
| [05:12:26] | clever: | but you cant easily figure out whats wrong with the vbi data without some kind of analyzer |
| [05:12:38] | clever: | which you can abuse the pvr-150 for |
| [05:12:50] | davygrvy: | hmmm |
| [05:12:53] | wagnerrp: | seems like it's an awful lot of effort to prop up an antiquated piece of hardware |
| [05:13:01] | clever: | yeah |
| [05:13:19] | davygrvy: | the only antiquated part is the loss of the guide |
| [05:13:26] | davygrvy: | TASC works great |
| [05:13:29] | davygrvy: | err |
| [05:13:32] | davygrvy: | atsc |
| [05:13:47] | wagnerrp: | ATSC doesn't use VBI data |
| [05:14:02] | wagnerrp: | guide data is carried on a digital sub channel |
| [05:14:17] | wagnerrp: | VBI is analog only |
| [05:14:21] | davygrvy: | but NTSC part does and there is no way in hell I'm going triddle PIDs in the digital stream |
| [05:15:02] | davygrvy: | it does both ATSC and NTSC and QAM both clear and CableCard |
| [05:15:33] | wagnerrp: | so it's a tivo |
| [05:15:40] | wagnerrp: | and it gets guide data through your tivo subscription |
| [05:15:43] | davygrvy: | Sony DHGHDD250 |
| [05:15:53] | davygrvy: | TVGOS |
| [05:16:04] | wagnerrp: | didn't know anyone other than tivo made a cablecard-capable DVR |
| [05:16:41] | davygrvy: | http://esupport.sony.com/US/p/model-home.pl?mdl=DHGHDD250 |
| [05:17:19] | davygrvy: | anyways.. anyone hacked the TVGOS signal? |
| [05:17:40] | wagnerrp: | no, we all license our guide data from tribune, through schedules direct |
| [05:18:12] | davygrvy: | I know.. but has anyone reversed the TVGOS data? |
| [05:18:24] | clever: | doesnt this belong in #mythtv-users ? |
| [05:18:31] | wagnerrp: | not really |
| [05:18:35] | wagnerrp: | since it's not mythtv related |
| [05:18:49] | clever: | then it def doesnt belong in the dev room! |
| [05:18:52] | wagnerrp: | 'course it's not on topic here either |
| [05:19:01] | davygrvy: | best place I could think to ask this ;) |
| [05:22:37] | davygrvy: | http://linuxtv.org/downloads/v4l-dvb-apis/raw-vbi.html I guess I should start here and log data to analyze it |
| [05:31:57] | davygrvy: | My intent is get guide info through schedules direct and retranslate into the TVGOS format on a blank NTSC channel 2 |
| [05:32:41] | wagnerrp: | im not even sure what kind of consumer grade hardware can produce a video signal with VBI data |
| [05:32:57] | wagnerrp: | or if any consumer grade modulators will support that scan range |
| [05:33:20] | wagnerrp: | it's entirely possible it will be cheaper to ditch the hardware for something new |
| [05:35:54] | davygrvy: | I agree, but this is worth the brain exercise to make that determination. A TV engineer friend might have a few of these in his closet http://www.rossvideo.com/terminal-equipment/t . . . ts/tes5.html |
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| [06:08:56] | dekarl: | man, why must every user work aroud broken guide feeds by restricting recordings to certain times of day... can they not simply record the show twice or work around upstream to fix their broken guide? |
| [06:09:41] | dekarl: | their networks really should license "zapping international" from arte so they could know that TV works differently in other countries |
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| [13:05:15] | danielk22: | davygrvy: I don't know the answer to your question, but you are unquestionably better off building a MythTV box and adding any missing functionality to it. |
| [13:09:32] | danielk22: | Ah, this is the TV Guide data from Rovi? That is proprietary and encrypted. I don't know if devices that accept the data accept unsigned/unencrypted data, even then you would need to get the the spec from Rovi since you can't reverse engineer an encrypted service. |
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| [15:22:53] | davygrvy: | tnks danielk22 |
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