| Saturday, October 6th, 2012, 00:13 UTC | ||
| [00:13:06] | skd5aner: | superm1: thanks :) |
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| [00:21:11] | skd5aner: | trac's home page needs updated for 0.26 |
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| [02:16:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ok.. getting somewhere... there's no /dev/ceton directory – the devices are in /dev directly... |
| [02:16:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | So if Myth is looking for them in /dev/ceton, I'll have to create some symlinks I think... |
| [02:34:03] | clever: | or adjust the udev rules to put them in the 'proper' place |
| [02:34:26] | clever: | maybe just copy the udev rules from a pc that works |
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| [02:45:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yay, that did it... I'll fiddle with the udev rules later. ;-) |
| [02:46:48] | ** J-e-f-f-A wonders why they're not in the /dev/ceton directory to begin with on FC17... ** | |
| [02:49:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | Strange – if I'm reading this udev rule right, there *should* be a /dev/ceton directory: 8-ctn91xx.rules: KERNEL=="ctn91xx_*", NAME="ceton/%k", MODE="0666",OWNER="root",GROUP="root" |
| [02:50:01] | clever: | might be a something to do with the order the rules got processed in |
| [02:51:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | well, it is '98' — (missed the leading '9' in the copy/paste) |
| [02:54:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | I'm not going to touch it for now... I'll post a msg to the -users list if nobody sees & replies to this. ;-) |
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| [03:18:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | woops, sorry guys – this was intended for -users. /me slaps himself. |
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| [09:04:37] | stuarta: | Beirdo: haha, git checkout on my slaves "elapsedTime=1207.592899" missed by 7 seconds |
| [09:04:59] | stuarta: | +previously |
| [09:13:20] | kenni: | Ok, I'm done spamming. |
| [09:13:33] | kenni: | Uhh, Udo is back :) |
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| [09:45:34] | MythBuild: | build #2745 of master-debian-stable-64bit is complete: Failure [4failed install plugins] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . /builds/2745 blamelist: R.D. Vaughan <r.d.vaughan@rogers.com >, Raymond Wagner <rwagner@mythtv.org > |
| [09:46:17] | stuarta: | dammit |
| [09:46:20] | stuarta: | ENOSPACE |
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| [09:52:52] | MythBuild: | build #1 of 0.26-f17–32bit is complete: Success [3build successful] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/0.26-f17-32bit/builds/1 |
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| [10:19:30] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: should we exit if we fail to bind to either IPv4 or IPv6? Or only if we fail on both? If users are expecting IPv6 to work then an error in the log will point them in the right direction, but if they've disabled (or not enabled) IPv6 (or IPv4) deliberately then it seems a little harsh to force it to be re-enabled |
| [10:21:12] | wagnerrp: | we currently exit if we fail to connect to any address enumerated by ServerPool |
| [10:21:54] | wagnerrp: | we also exit if the user has set BackendServerIP or BackendServerIPv6, and that address was not enumerated by ServerPool |
| [10:22:23] | wagnerrp: | if they disabled IPv6 intentionally, then they should intentionally blank BackendServerIPv6 |
| [10:25:31] | wagnerrp: | i was under the impression all modern distros left IPv6 enabled by default |
| [10:25:34] | wagnerrp: | is that incorrect? |
| [10:27:49] | stuartm: | some network config wizards ask users whether they want IPv6 or not, a lot of people don't have the hardware (router etc) supporting IPv6 so may just opt to disable it |
| [10:28:18] | wagnerrp: | unless you're doing it for security reasons, why bother disabling it? |
| [10:28:43] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: who knows why people do these things, but they do |
| [10:28:53] | wagnerrp: | seems more like a case of people pressing a button for no reason other than it is there |
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| [10:29:16] | wagnerrp: | it beckons me, it wants me to press it, it NEEDS me to press it |
| [10:29:36] | stuartm: | if we're going to bail if BackendServerIPv6 is not empty but IPv6 is disabled, then maybe we should default to leaving that setting blank – otherwise only bailing if both IPv4 and IPv6 are available seems more user friendly |
| [10:30:06] | wagnerrp: | that's fine with me |
| [10:30:25] | wagnerrp: | i plan on expanding that whole interface to be more dynamic for 0.27 |
| [10:31:00] | wagnerrp: | but it does mean the backend will be listening on all IPv6 addresses by default |
| [10:31:55] | stuartm: | http://pastebin.ca/2245587 |
| [10:32:57] | stuartm: | the above patch warns if we fail to bind on either address, and only exits if both fail with a log message explaining why we're aborting |
| [10:33:13] | wagnerrp: | note that it's not failing to bind, since it hasn't even tried to |
| [10:33:20] | wagnerrp: | the address simply doesn't exist to bind to |
| [10:33:26] | wagnerrp: | might want to make that a bit more explicit |
| [10:33:52] | stuartm: | reasonable distinction |
| [10:34:12] | stuartm: | "Unable to find IPv4 address to bind" |
| [10:34:32] | wagnerrp: | the ServerPool itself will be warning earlier about such as well |
| [10:34:38] | wagnerrp: | when it does its initial scan |
| [10:35:43] | wagnerrp: | i am still of the opinion that until the listen servers are dynamic, and we can reconfigure without restarting the backend |
| [10:35:52] | wagnerrp: | an invalid configuration should be a fatal configuration |
| [10:36:31] | wagnerrp: | but that raises the question why it is not currently a fatal configuration |
| [10:36:46] | wagnerrp: | it doesn't make sense to me what is holding the backend open after mainserver terminates |
| [10:37:06] | wagnerrp: | since once it returns anything other than 0, its all of about three lines before main() drops out |
| [10:41:42] | stuarta: | MythBuild: force build master-debian-stable-64bit when you have a moment |
| [10:41:48] | MythBuild: | The build has been queued, I'll give a shout when it starts |
| [10:47:58] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: I tend to agree that an invalid config should be fatal, but only when that config has been done explicitly by the user as opposed to being the defaults – it's most people's expectation to click through any sort of configuration wizard assuming that the defaults should just work unless the wizard refuses to proceed until the user chooses an option or fills out a value |
| [10:48:39] | wagnerrp: | and yet, those same users that click through mythtv-setup and accept the defaults have disabled IPv6 on their systems |
| [10:48:39] | stuartm: | our setup wizards just aren't that clever unfortunately, there's no such thing as a 'required' attribute that we can force users to fill out certain fields accurately |
| [10:48:42] | stuarta: | it is unfortunate that 98% of people immediately disable ipv6 when they hit any issue rather than working through it |
| [10:49:32] | stuartm: | in the longer term we'll fix this by re-writing the setup, including some auto-detection so users can't configure an IPv6 address unless one actually exists |
| [10:49:47] | MythBuild: | build forced [ETA 38m28s] |
| [10:49:47] | MythBuild: | I'll give a shout when the build finishes |
| [10:50:06] | wagnerrp: | in the longer term, the configuration will drop away entirely, unless the user wants to explicitly limit where mythtv listens on |
| [10:51:41] | stuartm: | although continuing if we don't find that address might still need to happen because there are a lot of flaky network manager type apps out there that remove the IP address the moment a wi-fi connection temporarily loses signal or they don't wait for wi-fi etc to connect before starting rc5 services |
| [10:52:05] | stuarta: | rpm -e NetworkManager |
| [10:52:20] | stuarta: | :) |
| [10:52:31] | wagnerrp: | for the frontend, sure |
| [10:52:32] | stuartm: | ideally we'd bind to an interface the moment it became available rather than only on startup, but that's a little more complicated |
| [10:52:49] | wagnerrp: | for the backend... i still think if something is configured, indicating the machine should have networking |
| [10:52:55] | wagnerrp: | not having that networking should be fatal |
| [10:53:16] | wagnerrp: | or at least drop back into a pre-configured mode, to allow the user to fix things, but not actually be functional |
| [10:53:31] | wagnerrp: | s/pre-configured/pre-init/ |
| [10:53:44] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: if the backend doesn't start recordings don't happen, a network connection isn't required to make that happen, I'm sure most people would rather find they have their recordings after a power cut (or similar) but they need to restart the backend before they can connect to it |
| [10:54:37] | wagnerrp: | well that depends |
| [10:55:19] | wagnerrp: | i personally want to split the master backend, from the recording duties... which would mean the network needs to be up in some fashion before recording can happen |
| [10:55:53] | wagnerrp: | although i guess the typical case would still be master and recorder on the same system, and localhost would be sufficient |
| [10:55:59] | stuartm: | we're assuming a first time user when we talk about it being fatal, rather than an existing setup that has a problem later on because someone trips over the Cat 5 or because the wireless driver is rubbish |
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| [11:02:37] | MythBuild: | build #2746 of master-debian-stable-64bit is complete: Success [3build successful] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . /builds/2746 |
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| [11:28:30] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: something that was said in the thread on -dev made me take a look at the backend settings, seems that if we can't find any IPv6 address the setting is disabled, meaning you can't change it from the default of ::1 |
| [11:28:37] | stuartm: | catch22 |
| [11:32:03] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: does this seem reasonable to you? http://pastebin.ca/2245591 |
| [11:32:26] | stuartm: | we only set a default value of ::1 if that address is available, otherwise we leave the setting blank |
| [11:51:09] | stuarta: | that looks good to me |
| [11:51:29] | stuarta: | although it will only affect new setups won't it? |
| [11:53:40] | stuartm: | stuarta: yes, that's where the fix I pushed earlier will help, we won't bail unless both IPv6 and IPv4 addresses are unavailable |
| [11:56:57] | stuartm: | basically both sides of the problem should now be covered in a way that prevents future trouble, we've got some reasonable safe fallbacks |
| [11:58:35] | stuartm: | actually, now that I'm there, it's trivial to change the IP settings to combo boxes, offering just the listenable addresses |
| [11:58:45] | ** stuartm works on that ** | |
| [12:11:52] | stuarta: | cool |
| [12:12:01] | stuarta: | dunno why we didn't do that before |
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| [13:12:20] | stuartm: | I'm guessing because fixing the existing setup wasn't a high priority when the promised html setup stuff was going to be complete for 0.25 |
| [13:13:17] | stuartm: | with the html setup work stalled (and no-one has shown interest in working on it) it's worth spending a few minutes on doing the right thing in the setup we're stuck with |
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| [13:32:22] | stuarta: | poor ppc buildslave, it got walloped trying to build 3 different versions at once |
| [13:33:49] | stuartm: | if anyone would like to test on their own setups which might be more exotic than mine – http://pastebin.com/Gi2RWEyv |
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| [14:09:21] | stuartm: | danielk22: I'd like to get the balance of the iPlayer MHEG patches in early for 0.27, you wanted to review the changes that touched the ringbuffer/mplayer first IIRC, or are you happy for those to go in and we'll see if they cause any new problems in the wild? |
| [14:14:26] | stichnot: | wagnerrp: the current behavior of cutting to the end of an in-progress recording was set in #10329 |
| [14:14:26] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10329 ** | |
| [14:49:14] | stuarta: | been a busy day for commits today |
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| [15:33:50] | stuartm: | beginning of a cycle, people getting in stuff they've been sitting on ... or it should be that, but at least half the commits were just me fixing the same problem from several different angles :) |
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| [16:32:38] | Xebozone: | I've been trying to compile 0.26 on Windows, but I'm having an issue compiling FFMpeg.For AR libavdevice/libavdevice.a , I get the error ar.exe: libavdevice/alldevices.o: File format not recognized . Firstly, is there a way to see the full command that mingGW is doing instead of the crude "AR libavdevice/libavdevice.a" output? Secondly, is anybody else having this issue? |
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| [17:04:03] | wagnerrp: | what kinds of buggered system wouldn't have 'ping' installed? |
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| [17:58:00] | danielk22: | stuartm: What was the ticket #. I would like to take a quick look prior to commit. |
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| [18:08:37] | stuartm: | danielk22: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10019 – I think the last two patches in particular, they are a little old now, Lawrence is maintaining some updated ones which I can make available if required |
| [18:12:55] | stuartm: | actually those seem to be the same as ones he made available in July, and there have been no updates since |
| [18:21:29] | danielk22: | stuartm: Please don't apply those ringbuffer patches. I have an outstanding ringbuffer patch that should address those issues in a more future-proof way. |
| [18:23:12] | stuartm: | ok |
| [18:23:40] | stuartm: | fwiw, those patches also fix DVB radio which has been broken for months (for me at least) |
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| [18:33:57] | danielk22: | stuartm: Unfortunately whenever someone fixes ringbuffer for one set of problems it creates problems for someone else. :| |
| [18:36:12] | stuartm: | yeah, it often seems that way |
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| [20:47:06] | Beirdo: | stuarta: sucky on the 7s over :) |
| [20:53:06] | ** stuarta gets confused ** | |
| [20:53:33] | stuartm: | [06/10/2012 10:04:37] <stuarta> Beirdo: haha, git checkout on my slaves "elapsedTime=1207.592899" missed by 7 seconds |
| [20:54:00] | stuarta: | haha i read that wrong |
| [20:54:11] | stuarta: | now it all makes sense |
| [20:54:28] | stuarta: | Beirdo: should we be limiting the max number of builds on the ppc builder? |
| [20:54:49] | stuarta: | it was seriously struggling earlier today building all 3 releases |
| [20:54:54] | stuartm: | I don't want to know what you thought Beirdo was suggesting |
| [20:55:21] | stuarta: | i read 7s as sevens |
| [20:55:32] | Beirdo: | yes, it was limited to one before |
| [20:55:47] | Beirdo: | I don't know how/when that was changed |
| [20:56:15] | stuarta: | shall i fix it or do you want to? |
| [20:56:21] | stuarta: | now is good, they are all idle |
| [20:56:22] | Beirdo: | feel free |
| [20:56:26] | stuarta: | ok. |
| [20:56:51] | Beirdo: | OK, which machine did I have the bitcoin stuff on? |
| [20:56:51] | stuartm: | chances of a backport being made to 0.25 which breaks the build are now slim |
| [20:56:52] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:57:12] | stuarta: | stuartm: we decided to leave it a month before deleting the 0.25 builds |
| [20:57:21] | stuartm: | ah ok then |
| [20:58:14] | Beirdo: | wonder if I'll get time to automate the update of that external code checker whose name I forget... might be a good task for Monday |
| [20:58:31] | Beirdo: | my brain is a bit fried right now... |
| [20:58:51] | stuarta: | mine too. seriously busy at work today |
| [20:59:19] | Beirdo: | I think I did like 50–60h this week |
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| [21:00:22] | stuarta: | done |
| [21:00:37] | stuartm: | Beirdo: coverity? |
| [21:00:41] | stuartm: | that would be good |
| [21:00:51] | Beirdo: | should probably make sure it's set in the template slaves file too |
| [21:00:56] | Beirdo: | stuartm: that's the one :) |
| [21:01:11] | Beirdo: | I got all set to do it, and hit the wall that is "too busy" |
| [21:01:12] | stuartm: | and maybe update the cppcheck version again, try to get all the bugs out of the code for 0.27 :) |
| [21:01:21] | stuarta: | isn't that commercial? or am i imagining |
| [21:01:25] | Beirdo: | as Monday's a holiday... it might be a good time |
| [21:01:43] | stuarta: | it is? that'll make monday afternoon fun |
| [21:02:08] | Beirdo: | yeah, my employer gives us Columbus Day off for some dumb reason |
| [21:02:11] | Beirdo: | I'll take it |
| [21:02:24] | stuarta: | fair enough, i would too |
| [21:03:00] | stuartm: | stuarta: they have a charitable outreach type thing for selected open source projects – they get us to test their detection and get some free publicity |
| [21:03:31] | stuarta: | ah, makes sense |
| [21:03:54] | stuartm: | we were enrolled near the start of the year I think, access is currently limited to devs who asked for it at the time |
| [21:05:27] | stuartm: | which is probably for the best, their web app is complicated :) Those devs who have access can triage and open tickets for issues they can't fix themselves |
| [21:06:05] | Beirdo: | oh this is wonderful |
| [21:06:13] | stuarta: | i'm tempted to setup opengrok |
| [21:06:30] | Beirdo: | got a recording with "Missing Guide Info (from DirecTV) covering half the screen |
| [21:06:42] | Beirdo: | I can't hit OK... it was days ago. piss off |
| [21:06:53] | stuarta: | hahahahahahahaha |
| [21:07:09] | stuarta: | there is a small flaw in the logic there somewhere |
| [21:07:13] | Beirdo: | I don't even use their stupid guide |
| [21:07:40] | stuartm: | it was one too many instances like that which eventually made me give up on my PVR-150 and just record OTA |
| [21:07:59] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:08:04] | Beirdo: | I can believe that |
| [21:08:24] | Beirdo: | OK, I know I was playing with GPU-based bitcoin... |
| [21:08:30] | Beirdo: | that should narrow it down |
| [21:09:07] | Beirdo: | won't be the backend... it has no GPU :) |
| [21:09:16] | stuartm: | Beirdo: when you're rich, remember your friends ;) |
| [21:09:16] | stuarta: | right, i've gotta be in the office early tomorrow, so i'm off to bed |
| [21:09:23] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:09:31] | Beirdo: | dunno if I ever will be rich :) |
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| [21:22:35] | Beirdo: | ooh, now it has a DirectTV screensaver as I didn't hit OK while it was recording. |
| [21:22:48] | Beirdo: | i guess I'll treat it as a radio show. |
| [21:22:54] | stuartm: | :( |
| [21:23:23] | stuartm: | is it not possible to disable that on the STB? |
| [21:23:31] | Beirdo: | probably not |
| [21:23:53] | Beirdo: | I've tried before, but not since the latest forced upgrade |
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