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[01:08:50] | Captain_Murdoch: | jpabq, mythcommflag --rebuild uses the parser used in the playback process, since it's going to be skipping commercials during playback. it doesn't really used the parser directly, it only gets info from the player it is using. if a recording doesn't have a seektable, then the player code generates one, that's what mythcommflag uses. |
[01:18:56] | wmcdougall: | Is there a reason why mythcommflag doesn't allow setting the --outputmethod option? |
[01:20:06] | wagnerrp: | output method? |
[01:20:10] | Captain_Murdoch: | not sure, what is --outputmethod? |
[01:20:15] | Captain_Murdoch: | same thought I had. |
[01:22:44] | wmcdougall: | --outputmethod Format of output written to outputfile, essentials, full. |
[01:23:14] | wmcdougall: | I'm sorry to be new. Poking around for commercial detection on h.264 broadcasts on NZ. |
[01:23:48] | wagnerrp: | should work... |
[01:23:54] | wmcdougall: | The README file for mythcommflag seems to be inconsistent with the source, (and bears little relationship to the wiki documentation) |
[01:24:19] | wagnerrp: | ... if it doesn't, it's only use is when dumping the results to a file, independent of the normal process which is to store the results to the database |
[01:24:20] | wmcdougall: | So --outputmethod doesn't seem to be referred to in commandlineparser at all |
[01:24:40] | wagnerrp: | it must be, or else it wouldn't be listed there in the --help output |
[01:25:21] | wagnerrp: | line 67–69 |
[01:25:35] | Captain_Murdoch: | it's in commandlineparser, but main.cpp never looks up the value to see if it was specified on the command line |
[01:25:42] | wagnerrp: | hmm... seems its never actually used |
[01:25:44] | Captain_Murdoch: | don't know who added that. |
[01:25:53] | Captain_Murdoch: | git blame to find out. :) |
[01:26:04] | wagnerrp: | its possible i forgot to hook it back up when re-doing the arguments |
[01:29:02] | wmcdougall: | Thanks for the clarification. |
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[11:03:07] | stuartm: | sphery: do you have a rough timeline for the db schema changes for files? Do the changes include replacing internal uses of the chanid/starttime as the unique identifier with the file id? |
[11:04:33] | stuartm: | I need to add support for PI update events in the video dialog and it may or may not clash with what you're working on |
[11:04:41] | stuartm: | Captain_Murdoch: ^^ |
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[11:12:38] | Merlin83b: | stuartm: Long time no see (I haven't been here for a couple of years) – got a moment for a quick query about something I might end up coding? |
[11:12:50] | Merlin83b: | Also, hello :) |
[11:13:36] | Merlin83b: | Wow, a quick google and maybe it's more like 5–6 years since I was here! |
[11:15:21] | stuartm: | Merlin83b: sure, I'll do me best to help |
[11:15:41] | Merlin83b: | It's a DVB question. This sums it up really: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/does-eit-say-when-p . . . v-act-15791/ |
[11:15:45] | Merlin83b: | And the last post from me more so. |
[11:20:55] | stuarta: | what do you mean by the TVA_id in a dvb stream? |
[11:21:19] | stuarta: | are you talking about the programid / seriesid data? |
[11:21:47] | Merlin83b: | Sorry to just post a link but the ETSI spec in the 4th external link covers it. |
[11:22:23] | stuartm: | Merlin83b: they use what is know as the running flag (perhaps unofficially, I'd need to check the spec again for the exact terminology), we don't pay attention to it although a few years ago Janne G did some work on it which was never committed |
[11:22:54] | Merlin83b: | Yeah page 99 of that starts the "accurate recording" section. |
[11:22:55] | stuarta: | yes, its the programid, seriesid stuff |
[11:23:13] | Merlin83b: | I suspect the TVA_id is the running flag's official name. |
[11:23:32] | Merlin83b: | But yes, TVA_id is the programme id. |
[11:23:32] | stuarta: | we parse all of that out and it is in your program data if you are currently using eit |
[11:23:37] | Merlin83b: | runningstatus |
[11:24:04] | Merlin83b: | Ah right, so it would "just" be a matter of the recorder not finishing if the running flag says the program's still running. |
[11:24:07] | Merlin83b: | Simple! |
[11:24:21] | stuartm: | the Running Status Table which is documented in ETSI EN 300 468 v1.12.1 (and probably later versions too) |
[11:24:44] | stuarta: | there was some work on RST |
[11:24:51] | Merlin83b: | Table 115 on page 101 of the thing I mentioned, too. |
[11:24:56] | stuarta: | but iirc it was quite painful and never really got very far |
[11:25:24] | Merlin83b: | This feels like one of those things that looks simple but would be a total can of worms once started. |
[11:25:46] | stuartm: | Janne had it partially working, the problem was that he was also looking to use it for the start of recording too and that's a lot more complicated |
[11:25:58] | Merlin83b: | Yeah that's certainly in there and part of the spec. |
[11:27:04] | Merlin83b: | To use the start I guess you need to constantly monitor the stream for the tva_id being broadcast rather than timed schedules like we do now. |
[11:27:32] | stuartm: | to use it to start early for example you need to be tuned and monitoring the tables possibly several minutes before a recording is due to start, which would really complicate scheduling and require some significant work |
[11:28:04] | stuartm: | if it's only use to monitor the RST after the scheduled start time then that should be easier |
[11:28:14] | Merlin83b: | And using it just for endings would feel like a half assed solution :/ |
[11:28:22] | Merlin83b: | But half assed that would improve my experience anyway :) |
[11:28:56] | stuartm: | Merlin83b: it's a more achievable goal, if you get RST parsing/handling in place and working well for end times then it's less of a leap to go from there to starttimes |
[11:29:24] | Merlin83b: | I guess so. |
[11:29:51] | Merlin83b: | Sounds like it might be nearing time to delve into the code for the first time in a few years. |
[11:30:16] | stuartm: | it's often better to split these tasks into manageable pieces, that way even if you never entirely finish at least some of your work is in the code and there for others to build on |
[11:31:04] | stuartm: | just adding RST parsing and event triggers would be a good start |
[11:31:46] | Merlin83b: | Yeah – and a RST (running status?) parse for the completed flag would do nicely as a start I think. The wife would like programmes not to get cut off, and I'd like not just to have to hackily pad a few minutes to achieve that. |
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[14:49:54] | danielk22: | Captain_Murdoch: wagnerrp: I think I added outputmethod, but I'm not entirely sure. :P git blame may be more authoritative. |
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[16:23:45] | rkulagow: | i checked trac, and i don't see any recent tickets regarding mythffmpeg being built without --enable-gpl, which would then enable the x264 encoder to work. |
[16:24:06] | rkulagow: | danielk mentioned that perhaps it should be the default, but i don't remember any commits in the last few days |
[16:26:39] | stuartm: | danielk22: the last of the deadlock fixes was never backported to 0.25, is there any reason we shouldn't backport? A few users have noted there 0.25 installs deadlocking, mine did twice this week |
[16:27:22] | danielk22: | stuartm: do you remember the commit info? My guess is I just wasn't sure if it was the last one at the time... |
[16:29:39] | stuartm: | not offhand, digging now |
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[16:34:15] | stuartm: | ok, seems it might have been – http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10948 but it appears http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10970 and http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10957 might also be candidates for backporting |
[16:37:02] | danielk22: | stuartm: 7d01e691d should be backportable, the others are a little bit risky. |
[16:39:07] | stuartm: | I think e8073bc0e9 was the deadlock I most recently hit with 0.25 |
[16:39:16] | stuartm: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/7d01e691d |
[16:39:50] | stuartm: | but then again I can't be sure since I didn't grab a BT |
[16:40:37] | stuartm: | 7d01e691d2b applies cleanly |
[16:41:00] | danielk22: | stuartm: The randomization fix would be safer to backport and would probably fix the problem 99% of the time. |
[16:41:51] | stuartm: | k, so I'll backport that and the streamhandler fix? |
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[16:42:03] | danielk22: | sure go ahead. |
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[16:44:41] | danielk22: | If you really want to backport others I guess it's ok, I'm just a little worried about any differences in TVRec in 0.25 vs master causing troubles. |
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[16:46:32] | stuartm: | I tried e8073bc0e9 just to see and it doesn't apply cleanly, given that it's perhaps better to wait and see whether people still complain of problems – from today they will always have the option of upgrading to 0.26 instead |
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[16:54:36] | stuartm: | oh ffs |
[16:58:17] | gigem: | Beirdo: Re. your box.com offer, please count me in if you still can. I could use a place to share the occasional sample and other large files. |
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[17:01:49] | stuartm: | knightr, kenni: any more translation patches outstanding? |
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[17:06:07] | Beirdo: | OK, will do :) |
[17:11:27] | gigem: | Thx. |
[17:13:53] | Beirdo: | on its way |
[17:15:23] | Beirdo: | hehe. |
[17:15:31] | Beirdo: | vv0.25.3? :) |
[17:15:57] | stuartm: | one day I get it right first time ;) |
[17:16:03] | Beirdo: | we'll clean it up, not a problem |
[17:16:09] | stuartm: | already done |
[17:17:57] | stuartm: | it might prompt me to introduce a check to the middle of the script before we push the tags |
[17:19:48] | Beirdo: | heh, not a bad plan |
[17:21:29] | Beirdo: | there. I think you only deleted em locally :) |
[17:21:56] | Beirdo: | An idiot chexk in the script would definitely be wise |
[17:22:19] | Beirdo: | I think we've all done it :) |
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[17:44:49] | stuartm: | Beirdo: I did push the tags after deleting ... |
[17:45:40] | stuartm: | wierd, does git push --tags not actually push deletions? |
[17:46:53] | stuartm: | oh git, why do you give me so many reason to loathe thee? |
[18:00:22] | Beirdo: | tag deletion is an odd one. |
[18:00:35] | Beirdo: | you need to git push origin :tag_to_remove |
[18:01:47] | Beirdo: | dunno why in particular that one is different, but it's the same for deleting remote branches |
[18:03:14] | kenni: | stuartm: Nope, no outstanding translation patches. There's only the locale patch left in #11129, AFAICT. |
[18:03:14] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11129 ** | |
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[18:16:21] | stuartm: | wonder where the Danish and Spanish teams are at, those two translations are within a whisker of being complete |
[18:16:32] | kenni: | heh ;) |
[18:16:49] | Beirdo: | I'm sure kenni could help finish the Danish if needed :) |
[18:17:53] | stuartm: | Norwegian is at 99% too |
[18:18:50] | stuartm: | it would be nice to say 12 translations are 100% complete in the release announcement instead of 9 |
[18:20:24] | stuartm: | Russian and Italian aren't too far behind, a good push might take those to 100% for the first point release |
[18:20:57] | kenni: | there's not much of a Danish team left anymore, as I'm the only person doing it these days. I still need to finish mythmusic, but I'll not be able to do it today. |
[18:25:06] | stuartm: | np |
[18:25:52] | stuartm: | might be able to help with the Spanish (but not like a native speaker might), Danish is completely alien to me :) |
[18:26:20] | kenni: | Google translate? :) |
[18:26:30] | stuartm: | heh |
[18:27:00] | stuartm: | Google translate is awful, it actually seems to get worse with time rather than better |
[18:37:08] | kenni: | Actually, it's only Mythmusic missing. I've always hated the Danish translation of mythmusic, as some of the most commonly used words have some really weird translations. The rewrite in 0.25 was a great opportunity to just delete the translation and start from scratch, I just haven't had the motivation to get it done yet, as I don't use it myself :) |
[18:37:59] | kenni: | if nothing else, perhaps my laziness will cause someone else to step up and take the task |
[18:39:22] | kenni: | s/take the/take on the/ |
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[19:40:58] | Beirdo: | hmm |
[19:41:09] | Beirdo: | I think I'll fix the Windows build before release |
[19:49:03] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: you about? |
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[20:10:48] | MythBuild: | build #3074 of master-freebsd-64bit is complete: Success [3build successful] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . /builds/3074 |
[20:13:46] | Beirdo: | yay |
[20:14:06] | Beirdo: | still a bit off for the windows slave to finish |
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[21:08:23] | Beirdo: | damn. still failing for doze. |
[21:09:38] | Beirdo: | missed a ; |
[21:09:42] | Beirdo: | oops |
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[21:26:33] | knightr: | stuartm, kenni, sorry for not replying sooner, I have been sick the last couple of days (and it doesn't looks like it's getting better...) |
[21:26:49] | Beirdo: | Ick, that's no fun! |
[21:28:00] | knightr: | Beirdo, certainly not, trust me... |
[21:28:13] | Beirdo: | been there... |
[21:28:47] | Beirdo: | sigh. 39min to see if my attempt to unbork windows build worked |
[21:29:26] | knightr: | stuartm, kenni, I have a problem with the locale patch, it looks like they are changing standards in Taiwan, going from NTSC to DVB-T so I'm not sure if I should commit it as like that or not... |
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[21:36:17] | knightr: | stuartm, Norwegian has actually more strings than the others (it has one more theme translated), how does the translation status page comes up with these numbers? |
[21:37:03] | knightr: | I am not sure what's happening with the Russian translator, even is blog is not up to date.... |
[21:39:07] | knightr: | The Italian translator had some problems updating its repo (it's all taken care of now AFAIK and I've told him to contact me if he still has some problems). BTW, thank you Kenni for committing that patch, I completly missed it, I am not sure how that happened... |
[21:39:38] | knightr: | Kenni, nobody is interested to help you on your web site? |
[21:43:17] | knightr: | Stuartm, I made sure Antonio Marcos was aware that the time to submit those translation updates was limited, there's not much we can do about it now... He's actually the translator with the best approach to translation, he updates it between releases and not only close to release so he must have his reasons... |
[21:48:46] | Beirdo: | stuartm: if you could hold off on 0.26 until this windows build finishes compiling, it would be cool |
[21:49:04] | Beirdo: | it should only be half an hour more unless I have another retarded mistake in there |
[21:49:25] | Beirdo: | I forgot about it earlier (oops) |
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[21:53:52] | stuartm: | knightr: that particular setting only applies to analogue, so it does no harm left as NTSC if they are transitioning to DVB-T |
[21:54:14] | stuartm: | Beirdo: np, I might even leave it until the morning |
[21:54:36] | stuartm: | knightr: translation stats come from lrelease or lupdate (can't remember which) |
[21:55:09] | knightr: | stuartm, the digital frequencies are not derived from the analogue ones? |
[21:55:13] | Beirdo: | OK, sure. I hope to see the "success" message soon in channel :) |
[21:57:10] | Beirdo: | dangit |
[21:57:28] | Beirdo: | I hate Windows |
[21:57:37] | stuartm: | Beirdo: I'd intended for my email to hit the list a few hours earlier than it actually did, I didn't notice that it was stuck in my outbox because of an expired cert issue, so it doesn't do any harm to leave the release another few hours so that everyone has a chance to read and respond if they want |
[22:01:19] | stuartm: | knightr: the frequencies are determined by the frequency table setting, not the TVFormat – now they could be changing frequencies at the same time as they change to digital, but if that's the case then we'd need someone to supply a valid freq table for Taiwan anyway and setting it to us-broadcast now isn't going to make things worse |
[22:02:07] | Beirdo: | OK :) |
[22:02:15] | sphery: | stuartm: Yes, the schema changes will transition our recording keys from being based on chanid/starttime to being simple integer IDs. Not sure on timing, but will likely put in some work on it come Nov (busy with work this month). |
[22:02:17] | knightr: | ah, Thank you! |
[22:02:20] | Beirdo: | that will give me time to hammer this into the ground |
[22:04:33] | stuartm: | sphery: ok ... I might commit a hack before then to allow PI updates for video (fixing watch/bookmark status) but I'll be happier to leave it as a hack knowing that the transition to file id will allow those hacks to be dumped |
[22:04:53] | sphery: | yeah, feel free to do so |
[22:05:31] | sphery: | there's plenty of stuff to change all over, so it doesn't make sense to hold back progress waiting for the new schema |
[22:06:54] | sphery: | and, like you said, we can clean it up with the conversion... I do expect the conversion to take a while, too (and I'll be working on it in a branch without db updates), so it's not "right around the corner" or anything |
[22:08:56] | stuartm: | sphery: ok thanks, that makes the decision easier |
[22:09:43] | stuartm: | I've already written most of the change while I was waiting, so it will probably be the first thing I push after cutting the release |
[22:10:53] | sphery: | cool |
[22:11:09] | Beirdo: | nice |
[22:11:54] | knightr: | stuartm, http://www.dvb.org/news_events/news/more_than . . . z_/index.xml (looks like the TV themselves still adhere to the NTSC standards but they have DVB-T tunesr now) |
[22:15:33] | stuartm: | eww |
[22:16:50] | sphery: | what, for some reason they went from US analog format to a digital format, but they didn't buy in to the US's philosophy of "We can't use DVB-T in the US because we didn't invent it, so let's change enough to make them have to re-implement all the hardware/software and call it ATSC--where "Advanced Technology" will let those other countries know ours is better!" |
[22:17:03] | stuartm: | odd decision to pick the superior standard but stick with an inferior picture :( |
[22:20:10] | stuartm: | sphery: did ATSC increase the resolution of SD at all? |
[22:21:07] | stuartm: | guessing probably not since that would require picture scaling for 'converter' boxes increasing the cost |
[22:27:39] | danielk22: | I'm guessing the choice was made to in order to subsidize local industry in a WTO acceptable manner. Neither companies targeting US or EU standards can just sell their gear unmodified in Taiwan now so some local companies will get a leg up wrt to foreign competitors who will either ignore the market altogether or charge a premium to defray the additional costs over a relatively low number of units. |
[22:32:28] | stuartm: | that seems a likely explanation, nothing like politics to ensure that the population get stuck with a substandard solution costing them more |
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[23:01:04] | Beirdo: | the converter boxes already need to do picture scaling to get HD onto crappy SD TVs, so I don't see much of an issue there |
[23:01:58] | Beirdo: | if anything, ATSC should be *better* than DVB/PAL as it has higher framerates, even in HD. I dunno :) |
[23:02:29] | stuartm: | Beirdo: interesting, I didn't think they made the HD broadcast available but I suppose that's cheaper than broadcasting in both HD and SD |
[23:03:08] | Beirdo: | ATSC is HD and SD, all MPEG2-TS (AFAIK). |
[23:03:41] | Beirdo: | but granted, much of the SD stuff is overcompressed (and poorly done) |
[23:05:38] | stuartm: | picture quality of NTSC vs PAL always was terrible, framerate could save it, potentially that's different now with HD but I've never done a comparison |
[23:07:07] | Beirdo: | yeah. with HD, I think a lot of the differences are nullified. There should be potential for better picture due to framerate, but they likely just compress it such that it's not really noticable anyways |
[23:07:26] | Beirdo: | and NTSC, well, I got used to it, but it never was as good as PAL (for analog) |
[23:07:33] | stuartm: | bitrates are higher (or can be) with DVB, even for mpeg2 and of course it allows for H.264 so ... |
[23:07:43] | Beirdo: | yeah |
[23:07:58] | Beirdo: | wouldn't be surprised if we see H.264 in ATSC fairly soon |
[23:11:31] | Beirdo: | there. no more suspend on closing the laptop. |
[23:11:42] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: what do you need? |
[23:12:11] | wagnerrp: | i thought H264 went into ATSC like a year and a half ago |
[23:12:13] | Beirdo: | I think I figured it out. Was hoping to tap your FreeBSD brain to get myth compiling on it again |
[23:12:48] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: seriously? I don't think it's actively being used, or people would need yet another upgrade to their crappy converter boxes. |
[23:13:04] | Beirdo: | unless they already could handle it, I guess... not to mention TVs |
[23:13:12] | wagnerrp: | it's not used, but it's listed in the spec |
[23:13:22] | wagnerrp: | might only see use for mobile devices |
[23:14:45] | wagnerrp: | ATSC A/153 Part 7: AVC and SVC Video System Characteristics |
[23:14:56] | wagnerrp: | its defined for ATSC-M/H (mobile/handheld) |
[23:15:03] | Beirdo: | Ahhh |
[23:16:04] | wagnerrp: | two and a half... final publication 2010-3–18 |
[23:16:34] | wagnerrp: | was approved the october prior |
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