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| [13:40:22] | caelor: | Seeker`, as promised #11048 raised to cover the segfaults mentioned yesterday. I monitor the irc bot logs for #mythtv so even if I'm not logged in I should pick up any responses. |
| [13:40:22] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11048 ** | |
| [13:40:55] | caelor: | Please let me know if there's any more info I can provide, or any way to improve the ticket. Thanks. |
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| [16:52:08] | stuartm: | gigem, sphery, stichnot: refering to the 'All programs' issue, so long as we make the filter/group names seperate strings then they can be displayed whereever and however people want e.g. as part of the title 'Watch Recordings – <group>' or before the title or whatever |
| [16:52:36] | stuartm: | that probably should have been done before now |
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| [18:36:45] | stuartm: | I've a sense of deja-vu on that previewgenerator nice issue, I'd swear we nice'd that process years ago |
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| [18:52:29] | gigem: | stuartm: Regarding group/filter, that's fine with me. |
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| [19:00:18] | bill6502: | gigem: Sorry to keep coming back to [d418754], but, I've tried various themes (to compare them with Steppes 1.8) and I can't see where the 2 features mentioned in that commit are used. What is the actual 'path' to the screen? E.g. Schedule Recordings->Program Guide->Schedule Editor-> ... |
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| [19:49:21] | gigem: | bill6502: Go to Manage Recordings / Recording Rules, choose a rule and press ENTER. With MythCenter-wide-1.7, you'll see the widget to choose the rule type and buttons for Schedule Options, Storage Options, Post Processing Options, etc. With Steppes-1.8, you'll see the widget to choose the rule type and also widgets to set Recording Group, Play Group, Start Offset, etc. IOW, the Steppes author replaced the |
| [19:49:23] | gigem: | Options buttons with some widgets. |
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| [20:11:34] | bill6502: | gigem: Thanks, couldn't see the forest for the trees. As to the 2nd change: "power users can put the options they use most frequently on the amin screen." Can I assume you mean users that modify their own .xml (as opposed to being able to add/move/delete bottons via the GUI? |
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| [20:35:56] | gigem: | bill6502: Yes, modifying the .xml is exactly what I meant. |
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| [20:50:10] | stichnot: | stuartm, gigem: I looked into it, and it seems that there is no "Watch Recordings" theme string. The two themes I checked directly include the "Watch Recordings" string. So presumably we could supply a %GROUPFILTER% theme string. |
| [20:50:38] | stichnot: | But I'm still bothered by the clumsiness of displaying "Watch Recordings – Default", which I believe is what most users will see most of the time. |
| [20:51:15] | stuartm: | stichnot: aye, you just need to map the filter name and then the themer can place it wherever they want on screen, into whatever string they like |
| [20:52:08] | stuartm: | stichnot: one option there is to make 'GroupFilter' empty if group == default |
| [20:52:14] | stichnot: | On the other hand, the themer needs to allocate enough area for a reasonably long group filter name, so "Watch Recordings" will leave a clumsy amount of blank space. |
| [20:53:03] | stichnot: | stuartm: Can the theme easily conditionally add the " – " string if group != default? |
| [20:53:11] | stuartm: | stichnot: yeah |
| [20:53:58] | stichnot: | In that case, I would prefer clumsy whitespace over clumsy "Default" wording, but it's up to the themer. |
| [20:54:00] | stuartm: | well only if the string is empty otherwise |
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| [20:54:06] | stichnot: | ok |
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| [20:55:01] | stuartm: | e.g. "Watch Recordings% – |GROUPFILTER%" will only show the – and spaces if GROUPFILTER isn't empty |
| [20:55:43] | stichnot: | nice. |
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| [20:57:20] | stuartm: | it's pretty simple/basic markup but it does the job :) |
| [20:57:46] | stichnot: | stuartm: since you're here, I wanted to ask about #11031. I can reproduce the behavior, not precisely as described in the ticket, but weird enough. I assume this has to do with the delayed loading of coverart/fanart/bannerart |
| [20:57:46] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11031 ** | |
| [20:58:34] | stuartm: | stichnot: possibly, I've not had a chance to look into it yet |
| [20:58:38] | stichnot: | But before going any further, it would be good to know if the reporter is doing something wrong in the theme. |
| [20:59:03] | stuartm: | the other option is some code that ignores updating textareas or images which are currently !visible |
| [20:59:18] | stichnot: | ah. |
| [21:01:17] | stichnot: | I wasn't able to reproduce the part about the text updating after several seconds, but my ears perked up when he impugned the background buttonlist loading ticket :) |
| [21:01:42] | stuartm: | oh no, in this case it's the theme, the code assumes there's only a single instance of each widget e.g. 'autoexpire', when it's found it then it stops looking |
| [21:02:04] | stuartm: | so that theme which duplicates a bunch of widgets just isn't going to work |
| [21:04:28] | stuartm: | that's difficult to 'fix', it's a core assumption, the name is treated as a unique ID |
| [21:07:34] | stuartm: | I'll have to think about whether it's even possible to make that work or whether there's another way to achieve the effect that he's going for |
| [21:07:54] | stichnot: | ok, yeah, this sounds tricky |
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| [21:10:42] | Seeker`: | what would constitute a blocker at this point? |
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| [21:53:57] | sphery: | I seriously doubt most users will see "Default" all the time--anyone who uses recording groups will either use "All Programs" (i.e. no filter at all) or a specific filter, which will seldom be default |
| [21:54:15] | sphery: | I don't know why someone would select Default if all they have is default or if they have anything other than default |
| [21:55:34] | sphery: | stichnot: ^^^ |
| [21:56:14] | sphery: | also, wasn't stuartm saying to make the group filter string completely independent of any other string so that the themer can put it anywhere on screen--such as in the screen title or above the button lists or in the detail area or ... |
| [21:56:24] | sphery: | so not part of "Watch Recordings" at all |
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| [23:22:04] | stuartm: | Seeker`: crash, hang or serious degradation of user experience for a reasonable number of people with a commonly used feature |
| [23:22:26] | Seeker`: | stuartm: 11048 count? |
| [23:22:48] | Seeker`: | http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11048 |
| [23:23:19] | stuartm: | uh, yeah that is a crash and a serious degredation in the user experience |
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| [23:35:53] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, in my house, we use Recording Groups quite a bit but also see Default quite a bit. everyone in the family has their own group, but programs recorded for both my wife and I together are stuck in Default rather than a 'Parents' or 'Mom & Dad' group. I do semi-agree with the logic though, perhaps "All Programs" would be the empty value since that's not a particular group, while if they have an actual group set it would be |
| [23:35:53] | Captain_Murdoch: | set to the group name |
| [23:50:30] | sphery: | Yeah, I think if we have a group filter text element to display the filter, it should show the filter name... It can be blank (or say None or All Programs or ...) when there is no filter applied, though. |
| [23:52:06] | sphery: | but since you actually use Recording Groups a lot, in addition to seeing Default a lot, you also see the other group names a lot--which is my point: anyone who uses groups will see things other than Default a lot and anyone who doesn't use groups shouldn't be setting a filter for Default rec group |
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