Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, August 19th, 2012, 00:35 UTC

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: you about?

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: fix your bot

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wagnerrp:

it's gone wonky and is hammering mysql for two full CPUs between them

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Beirdo:

hmm?

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Beirdo:

one sec

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

I just did "date -s "`date`"

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Beirdo:

it was the leap second bug

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Beirdo:

thanks for noticing ;)

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wagnerrp:

trac just seemed a bit sluggish

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Beirdo:

not terribly surprising, considering

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wagnerrp:

well it is a bit, considering trac doesnt touch mysql

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Beirdo:

well, with mysql and beirdobot each consuming a core doing nothing... :)

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wagnerrp:

sure, but the machine is otherwise fairly idle

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Beirdo:

that would certainly cause some system slowdown at some point

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wagnerrp:

does this 'leap second bug' just cause sleep() to screw up and operate as a busy loop?

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wagnerrp:

i mean the bot seemed otherwise completely functional

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Beirdo:

yeah, it causes sleeps of less than 1s immediately return

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wagnerrp:

ah

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Beirdo:

which is pretty much all of them

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wagnerrp:

its not a telnet socket....

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Beirdo:

hrrr?

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wagnerrp:

the unicode network control socket

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wagnerrp:

just corrected someone's ticket description

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Beirdo:

ah. it's not telnet, true. It's a custom TCP socket

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Beirdo:

telnet will mostly work as a client, but not perfectly ;)

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wagnerrp:

not if you have any 8-bit or unicode characters for things like filenames or playback descriptions

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Beirdo:

exactly.

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wagnerrp:

not to mention telnet expects a special handshaking on connect

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wagnerrp:

so right off the bat, strict telnet clients will break

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Beirdo:

yeah, or the socket handler gets odd data

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Beirdo:

but telnet clients have for a very long time not been strict for that

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danielk22:

Leap seconds only occur at the end of June and December, has mysql been running at 100% CPU for 2 1/2 months?

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Beirdo:

I think so, yes

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Beirdo:

on a 4-core box

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Beirdo:

we were busy-looping two of the cores for months. Yikes

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danielk22:

I'm surprised it worked as well as it did then!

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wagnerrp:

beirdobot and mysqld had 57666 and 75173 minutes of CPU time, respectively

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Beirdo:

oh man. poor box.

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wagnerrp:

so 40 days and 52 days

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Beirdo:

man, this SPDIF converter's getting complicated :)

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Beirdo:

I haven't even started writing code yet (or simulating the FPGA)

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wagnerrp:

what exactly are you doing?

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wagnerrp:

youre trying to convert 24-bit LPCM to 16-bit LPCM?

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danielk22:

I'm surprised that bug didn't get more media attention. I guess the lightning strike on EC2 East that same weekend was just an easier story to tell.

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wagnerrp:

surely there is an existing device somewhere that can do that

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Beirdo:

yes, and from professional -> consumber

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Beirdo:

there isn't

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wagnerrp:

i dont know what "professional" SPDIF is

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Beirdo:

SPDIF is the consumer version of AES3

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danielk22:

Beirdo: Doesn't sound that complicated, couldn't it just be done in software on a cheap ARM chip?

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Beirdo:

AES3 is what the soundboard puts out

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Beirdo:

danielk22: yeah, pretty much. I'm making an FPGA with a PIC18 clone core (as the ARMv2 was way too large) and SPDIF in/out, I2S in/out, SPI...

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: youve got a bunch of stuff you had marked for lapsed milestones

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wagnerrp:

im bumping them all to 0.26

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wagnerrp:

ill leave it to you whether it should be bumped further

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Beirdo:

using a Xilinx Spartan6 (TQFP144 package)

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wagnerrp:

spartan 6... isnt that one of their bigger chips?

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Beirdo:

so far, other than an external SPI ROM, and external ADC/DAC, it's all in one chip

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wagnerrp:

i thought their entry level was a 3

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Beirdo:

the 6 is one of the newest, yeah, but I'm using the second smallest one

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wagnerrp:

or is that just the generation

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wagnerrp:

ah

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Beirdo:

it's the generation. the chip is like $15 from digikey

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wagnerrp:

$15 from digikey, plus $3K in time spent developing the ROM image

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wagnerrp:

:)

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Beirdo:

plus the ROM, etc. It's a fun thing to do, and opencores.org is my friend

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Beirdo:

well, yeah, but it's my "spare" time

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danielk22:

If it weren't fun I'm sure you'd just buy a different sound card or sound system ;]

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Beirdo:

even have the instruction and data memory in the chip

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Beirdo:

yeah, or use analog

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

I want to be able to record from the digital out of the sound board (Yamaha LS-9) onto minidisc... in digital

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danielk22:

minidisc? Can you still get media for that?

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Beirdo:

barely, but I do have a pile

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Beirdo:

too bad it kinda went the way of Beta... which was WAY better than VHS technically

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wagnerrp:

seems like it would be easier to get some cheap archos and just do flac, if youre concerned about mp3 quality

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Beirdo:

more for mastering CDs

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Beirdo:

i.e. live recordings...

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wagnerrp:

youre doing digital capture off the mixing board directly into the minidisc player?

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Beirdo:

that's what I want to do, yes

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Beirdo:

I can record in analog right off it, of course

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wagnerrp:

so this isnt one of those portable units, its a bigger static minidisc drive?

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Beirdo:

it's portable

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Beirdo:

it has optical in

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

I have a rackmount one for my soon-to-be audio rack at home too

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wagnerrp:

rather surprising they would pack a higher powered write laser in a portable device

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Beirdo:

anyways, this little board (once made) will also have analog in/out

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Beirdo:

just because I can

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

so, gotta annotate all of the registers so I can make a memory map... which I need to make the bus arbiters

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Beirdo:

I do know it fits, though ;)

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clever:

danielk22: i was just looking at bit-banging spdif on an arm a few days ago, and for the chip i had selected, it would require near 100% cpu usage with irq's off

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clever:

which effectively makes the whole thing pointless

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wagnerrp:

well there are several orders of magnitude difference in performance between the lowest and highest end ARMs

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clever:

in my case, a raspberry pi

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Beirdo:

which is why I'm not bitbanging it

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clever:

putting a square wave out with a tight loop (3 assembly instructions) was 22mhz, but the instant i add a schedule() call, it drops to ~900khz

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clever:

while i dont need to schedule after every bit, pre-emption would kick in randomly and completely ruin the sync between the 2 devices

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wagnerrp:

and thats from a device with a 700MHz core?

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clever:

wagnerrp: yeah, it seems the gpio is on the ram bus, which doesnt run at 700mhz

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clever:

same as having multiple clock domains in an FPGA

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clever:

need to wait for the slower domain to hit a clock edge before data can cross

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Beirdo:

the problem is trying to bit bang from a processor in the first place

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clever:

its basicaly missing the L1 and L2 caches aswell, because the memory mapped io is marked uncachable

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clever:

so the whole cpu core just stalls on every gpio call

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clever:

and the only way i can even get the proper timings seems to be to turn the cycle counter on

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Beirdo:

use an external device, write to buffers, leave the encoding to the external device

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clever:

yeah thats the only real solution

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clever:

an fpga on the spi or i2c bus seems like it may handle it, but that means more hardware

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clever:

lirc is working great though, thinking of making a cec<->ir bridge for the audio system

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clever:

the 5.1 system with decent cec control, only has 2 channel input

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clever:

and the digital surround in system has only IR control

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wagnerrp:

eh?

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wagnerrp:

who even makes stereo receivers in this day and age

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Beirdo:

ebay.

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Beirdo:

heh

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wagnerrp:

i havent seen anything limited to 2-channel input since analog prologic was big

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wagnerrp:

and analog anything doesnt do CEC

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clever:

the cec capable unit is a 5 disk dvd player with 5.1 speaker setup, and cec lets the tv control volume for non-dvd stuff, but the only way to get 5.1 in is via dvd's :P

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wagnerrp:

so its one of those el crappo "home theater" units

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clever:

exactly

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** wagnerrp goes back to trac cleanup **

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clever:

the other unit with digital audio in is just a simple sound bar with an IR remote

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** Beirdo goes back to his verilog and VHDL **

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Seeker`:

always @(posedge(clk)) begin Beirdo <= insane end

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Beirdo:

heh

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Seeker`:

or somehting

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Beirdo:

Wow. 16 bus slaves across 3 busses. I guess this makes memory mapping simple

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clever:

lol

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knightr:

hmm, not sure where my mind was when I processed those tickets, I forgot to change the ownerand milestone..

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rooaus:

Beirdo: Do you have any outstanding issues with the SPDIF protocol? It has been 10 years since I looked at it, but I have some experience with it.

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Beirdo:

I have the specs, I should be good, I think. I'll be getting it already decoded, which makes things a bit simpler

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Beirdo:

i.e. the controller core does the decoding/encoding, I just set the values for the control parts in registers, and then deal with samples

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Beirdo:

but I'll keep it in mind if I need a hand later :)

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Beirdo:

now to define my wishbone arbiters

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rooaus:

No probs. Pity you can't use the Xilinx EDK, would make it a lot easier.

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Beirdo:

well, all the cores are wishbone (from opencores)

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Beirdo:

I coulda used microblaze for the core, but then I'd have to rework all the cores

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Beirdo:

heh

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rooaus:

I think there is a wishbone to AHB bridge on OC, but wishbone is OK. :) Best thing about EDK is it handles the men mapping etc, which is error prone and tedious.

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Beirdo:

yeah, I have a generator for that

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Beirdo:

and it's borked. wonderful

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Beirdo:

ok, unborked the perl

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Beirdo:

idiot was using string comparators on numbers

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Beirdo:

hmmm, I really should start using git with this project.

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Beirdo:

Minimum period: 7.015ns (Maximum Frequency: 142.544MHz)

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Beirdo:

nice

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sambagirl:

evening. is zoneminder embedded into mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

zoneminder is a loosely bound group of applications tied together through a webpage

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wagnerrp:

mythfrontend with the mythzoneminder can access the zoneminder data if zoneminder is operating on the same physical machine

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wagnerrp:

but its not embedded

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wagnerrp:

also note, this is the development channel

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wagnerrp:

you likely want #mythtv-users

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sambagirl:

ok thanks

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Beirdo:

whaaa? 30s ping times to my firewall from my lapto. I think that box needs a boot to the head again

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wagnerrp:

it even allows pings that long?

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wagnerrp:

usually they time out after ~10s or so

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Beirdo:

yeah, I was surprised :)

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Beirdo:

it's settled down now

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** wagnerrp wonders if Beirdo's firewall is orbiting around L4 **

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Beirdo:

it's a stupid old Atom box, and the wireless drivers go wonky at times

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knightr:

Should a problem report for Steppes be done on Trac or directly submitted to John?

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Beirdo:

I think the themes in general use the issues on github, but I guess it's up to him for his theme :)

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knightr:

Beirdo, we have a ticket opened for Steppes, do I assign it or close it?

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Beirdo:

I'd assign it in the mean time until we clear it up, I guess

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knightr:

Beirdo, thanks! will do...

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slackin:

I can't find the changelog, where should I be looking?

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Beirdo:

jpabq: knightr was asking about a ticket for Steppes

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Beirdo:

in case you're in now

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wagnerrp:

slackin: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.26

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wagnerrp:

note, this is the development channel, you probably want #mythtv-users

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jpabq:

Beirdo, knightr, I guess I don't really care where the ticket lives. Since other themers are not also devs, it probably makes more sense for it to be on github — just for consistency?

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