Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, July 8th, 2012, 00:04 UTC

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jya:

It's the 3rd day in a row where I wake up, only to find my mythfrontend as exited with a EXC_BAD_ACCESS errorâ€¦. Always in the same spot: MythSystemSignalManager::run

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Beirdo:

you'd have to be a lot more specific, I think :)

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Beirdo:

first off, WTF is EXC_BAD_ACCESS? :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I'm pondering over #10775 right now, it might be related, and that one seems to be a race condition

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** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10775 **

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jya:

0x00 :)

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Beirdo:

so a null deref?

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jya:

trying to generate a proper bt

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jya:

I'm using lldb, which only provide a backtrace on the crashing thread

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Beirdo:

that should work fine

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jya:

I'd like bt of the whole stack and whole threads.

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Beirdo:

sure, but if you can't, just the crashing thread may well be enough in this particular case

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jya:

it's not that obvious

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jya:

it shows an error starting from libmythbase and Qt

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Beirdo:

well, I do want to know where it's spazzing out :)

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Beirdo:

#3 MythSystemSignalManager::run (this=0x17638e0) at system-unix.cpp:528

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** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3 **

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Beirdo:

that's from #10775 backtrace

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** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10775 **

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Beirdo:

that look familiar?

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jya:

ah: thread backtrace all

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Beirdo:

yeah, it crapped out on a disconnect in this particular case

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Beirdo:

because the structure was deleted somewhere else (not sure where yet), and thus was now NULL in the middle of shutting it down

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jya:

#10889

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** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10889 **

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jya:

well, 10775 is in the backendâ€¦ this one is the frontend

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jya:

let me check what was displayed before it crashed on the console

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jya:

nah, just my 30s recurrence of the frontend trying to start mythlogserver in bin/bin

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jya:

I get about 12 hours of logs of the mythlogserver being started every 30s, and suddenly a crash

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jya:

could just be that it's how long it takes to fill 16GB of RAM :)

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Beirdo:

well, we gotta fix that problem too.

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jya:

Beirdo: this time the crash was on MythSystemUnix *ms = msList.takeFirst();

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jya:

I think I recall yesterday it was somewhere else in that function.. let me check

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Beirdo:

could you create a ticket for the double /bin/ in your path? ;)

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jya:

sure

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jya:

I wasn't worrying about that one, because how I run mythfrontend isn't your typical way.. and I'm probably the only one doing it that wayâ€¦ haven't run the packaged version yet

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Beirdo:

it's a fairly isolated issue, I think, only to when using a relative RUNPREFIX pointing at a non-existant directory

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

but it can't hurt to fix it anyways

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jya:

no backtrace from yesterday crash sorry, it only kept the output of the console

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Beirdo:

OK. I have a mental theory of what the problem may be

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Beirdo:

but I need to mull it over some, and yeah, I think it is likely being poked hard by the way the logserver launch works

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Beirdo:

but we shouldn't be able to have it crap out like this, so maybe some locking is misplaced or the like

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Beirdo:

it wouldn't be the first time that a race condition has bit us :)

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jya:

#10890

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** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10890 **

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jya:

let me know if you think any other file are required

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Beirdo:

will do. Thanks

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knightr_:

Beirdo, I have replied to your email about MythWeather...

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knightr_:

I am seeing the problem here and it doesn

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knightr_:

doesn't seem to be in the scripts and the URLs haven't changed...

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knightr_:

(at least the one I checked...)

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Beirdo:

the image one is disconcerting

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Beirdo:

almost assured we need to look at that one carefully... again

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Beirdo:

as for wunderground... kinda need to know what exactly is being selected to reproduce.

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knightr:

London, Ontario

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knightr:

when I checked (days ago, I had forgotten to send that reply) it was giving temperatures that had absolutely nothing to do with the real ones...

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Beirdo:

Oh, WTH?

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knightr:

I should have checked if they had a web interface to look at these maybe the problem is not the script but the actual info they had....

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Beirdo:

when I search for "London, Ontario", it returns "London"

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Beirdo:

when I search for "London", it returns Londons world-wide

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Beirdo:

including... "London, Ontario"

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Beirdo:

idiotic data source

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Beirdo:

<termsofservice link="http://www.wunderground.com/weather/api/d/ter . . . uot;>This feed will be deprecated. Please switch to http://www.wunderground.com/weather/api/</termsofservice>

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knightr:

LOL, I had only search for London and picked the one for Ontario so I didn't see that problem...

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Beirdo:

oooh, that could be an issue....

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knightr:

yep if they started returning crap on the old URLs (or if the info is somehow stale...)

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Beirdo:

running the forecast for "London, Ontario" says a high of 31C today, low of 17C

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Beirdo:

sounds reasonable

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Beirdo:

with thunder showers

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knightr:

monday is supposed to have max 27, min 14 according to envcan, what do you have?

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Beirdo:

26C/14C

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Beirdo:

OOOoh

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Beirdo:

if you search for "London, Ontario", it returns "London, ON, CA"

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knightr:

i have 32 max 23 min

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Beirdo:

I was reading it backwards

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Beirdo:

and THAT says today has a high of 41C, low of 26C

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knightr:

(with wunderground..)

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knightr:

envcan says it's 24 currently...

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knightr:

http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/rss/city/on-137_e.xml

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knightr:

hmmm, interesting I get widget not found updatetime for the animated map script...

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knightr:

I get an updatetime when I run it manually...

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Beirdo:

well, I guess I get to rewrite the wunderground to use the new API

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knightr:

did the old thing change or mainly the URL?

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Beirdo:

dunno yet

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knightr:

weird, I get segmentation fault when I cancel MythTV with ctrl-C while I am in MythWeather...

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knightr:

s/fault/faults

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knightr:

(doesn't do that elsewhere AFAIK...)

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knightr:

LOL, I know what my problem is...

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Beirdo:

Oh, I do NOT like their new API

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knightr:

or maybe not... :(

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knightr:

couldn't these guys settle on an API and not change it...

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knightr:

I added some logging and what I got back in WeatherScreen::prepareScreen makes sense...

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knightr:

(and finally figure out that the updatetime it was complaining was a field on the screen...)

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knightr:

s/complaining/complaining about

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knightr:

Beirdo, before working on the new API you might want to check if the data it returns makes sesnse, it's not much use supporting it if it sends incorrect information...

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wagnerrp:

do we have any built in hash tools in the libraries somewhere?

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: hash tools?

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wagnerrp:

like, "generate sha1 of file"

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Beirdo:

knightr: their data is good, pretty much.

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wagnerrp:

or 256, or md5, or whatever

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: ahhh hash digests... I think Qt has something built in

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wagnerrp:

just looking for something to hash files <64KB that the opensubtitles hash cant handle

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knightr:

ok so I guess only the old API has problem, at least that's good news...

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Beirdo:

knightr: it's not as much that the API has problems, but rather how we got the location name to query had problems.

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Beirdo:

and it seems to have gotten worse over time, which is likely why they created a REST API :)

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Beirdo:

well, the search part of the API has issues, I guess :) (old one)

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knightr:

the data too...

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jya:

LOLâ€¦ So for the past two days I've been able to make AirPlay behaves the way 3rd party AirPlay devices are supposed to behave

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knightr:

it was like it wasn't the same place...

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jya:

that is, play the last device which asked to play something to give the best user experience blah...

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jya:

Been struggling to do so using myth API: play / suspend / play another

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knightr:

Berdo, the envcan script passed /home/mythtv/.mythtv/MythWeather/ENVCAN-Animated-Map/hrpt_nque_ir_100.gif to

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knightr:

((MythUIImage *) widget)->SetFilename(itr.value());

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knightr:

((MythUIImage *) widget)->Load();

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jya:

so just now I'm like: how did Apple actually do itâ€¦ Let's try with their deviceâ€¦ Device 1 playâ€¦ Device 2 attempt to play: "sorry this AirPlay device is already being used by someone else"

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Beirdo:

yeah, I'm not looking at that yet :)

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jya:

they don't even implement what they are asking from 3rd party provider !

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knightr:

I've checked the animated image is OK and it's not a permission problem since I'm with the same user...

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Beirdo:

jya: but of course

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jya:

going to do the same: sorryâ€¦ we are busy !

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knightr:

Beirdo, the point is it looks more like its UI stuff....

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jya:

can scrap most of the code I've written so far and that is giving me the s***

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Beirdo:

yeah, that's what I figured

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knightr:

not MythWeather stuff...

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knightr:

something probably changed in how images are handled in the UI...

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Beirdo:

or the animation part got borked

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Beirdo:

wouldn't be the first time

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knightr:

I don't even see the first picture...

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Beirdo:

that would be really borked :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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knightr:

shouldn't I see a static image...

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knightr:

?

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Beirdo:

not necessarily, depends on how the images are loaded and queued, basically

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knightr:

ah, ok..

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Beirdo:

I'm mentally pondering changing how the maps work, but it won't be this release

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knightr:

the image is OK BTW so everything point in the direction of the UI/Qt functionalities we use...

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Beirdo:

make a movie to loop...

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knightr:

mmm, that would be nice...

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knightr:

only problem is it would make the scripts more complicated...

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knightr:

(unless you take their output and convert it to a movie of course...)

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Beirdo:

wunderground can give either animated gif or swf format with the new API

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Beirdo:

yeah, that's what I do now wiht envcan anyways

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knightr:

yep, it's an anmated gif but we only take part of the pictures IIRC (the first 10 ones I think...)

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jya:

ah â€¦ there's Apple TV do it like they describe.. It's only the Airport Express that doesn't

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jya:

buggerâ€¦ can't be lazy then

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Beirdo:

it was a while ago that I wrote it, I forget.

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Beirdo:

step one... sign up for an API key

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Beirdo:

so... applying for a developer key. which is free

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Beirdo:

for the full dataset we'd want, it is $300/month for 5000 calls/day, 100/min

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Beirdo:

jeez

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Beirdo:

developer gives 500/day, 10/min for free

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knightr:

you have a good excuse to have fogotten it, that one was written by Joe RIpley... :) :)

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knightr:

they're nuts...

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knightr:

any special provisions for open source?

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Beirdo:

written by him, redone by me

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knightr:

LOL...

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Beirdo:

the imagemagick part is all mine

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Beirdo:

so, I guess we need two tickets

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Beirdo:

one for envcan animated maps being borked, one for wunderground API redo

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Beirdo:

I put in a request to ask how usage should work for open source project

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Beirdo:

at worst, each user would need to get their own key, but that doesn't seem right

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Beirdo:

I mean, for now, I can likely just set it loose using my development key, but that will likely run out of requests fast. If I do it that way, it will be at one request/hr or /2h max per user

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knightr:

too much of a PITA if you ask me (ie have users get their own key....)...

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Beirdo:

yeah, I agree

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Beirdo:

the good thing is with wunderground is that they have good coverage of the entire world

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Beirdo:

including hurricane maps

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jya:

$300 a month to use their API? so much for a hobby

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knightr:

does the new API give info in other languages?

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Beirdo:

yes

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knightr:

let's hope they have special provisions for open source then.. :) :)

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Beirdo:

jya: they did say something on the site about "non-commercial development" and students being free

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danielk22:

The wunderground uses crowdsourced data, good community relations are essential to their operations. They may very well allow us to use the data for free as a PR move if we ask nicely.

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Beirdo:

so, I'm *HOPING* they have a way

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jya:

aren't we all students ? always learning something...

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Beirdo:

wunderground is owned by the Weather Channel now

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knightr:

and if we add their logo :-) :-)

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Beirdo:

so, I wouldn't bet on sensible decisions at all times

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Beirdo:

yes, and their logo needs to be in the copyright, which means more bloody work

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Beirdo:

heh

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danielk22:

Beirdo: Even more reasons for them to make nice.. They don't want an an obvious example of how "the Wunderground is now evil^TM"

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knightr:

LOL...

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Beirdo:

danielk22: Oh, I agree, but the pinheads at Weather Channel might not :)

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danielk22:

BTW I used to be hooked on the Weather Channel 20 years ago. I gave my TV away to break the cycle ;]

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Beirdo:

I can definitely develop for free anyways

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Beirdo:

it's the volume of requests that would be the main concern

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Beirdo:

so I can always push the script with the API key being in a non-committed dot-file in the mean time

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Beirdo:

that way it can't get overused

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knightr:

Beirdo, I can create that envcan ticket if you want but I would suggest talking to the UI guys before putting any work in this, might be something simple that needs to be added...

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Beirdo:

but I'll think about that later.

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Beirdo:

knightr: sure, yeah, we'll somehow get it fixed, just don't want to forget

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knightr:

np, should I set it to 0.26?

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jya:

Beirdo you can do like the Horde project does it.

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knightr:

(at least that will force us to decide what to do with it when we will look at what's left...)

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jya:

In the settings, you enter the API key.. It's up to each and every user to register for one and use that one

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jya:

pretty much every tool I've used with weather channels or wunderground worked that way

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Beirdo:

knightr: yeah, we'll try to get that in, it might slip, but I hope not

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Beirdo:

jya: if we have to, yeah

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Beirdo:

the problem if you publish the API key at all is that *anyone* even not using MythTV can use it, and affect our usage patterns...

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Beirdo:

and that includes commercial apps that are written by unethical people

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Beirdo:

we'd have to find a way to distribute it in a controlled way if they use a common API key

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Beirdo:

anyways, back to the mythsystem fun

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Beirdo:

I think I'll be changing this to use ReferenceCounter

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Beirdo:

but that's gonna require some food first.

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knightr_:

[25801]

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MythLogBot:

SVN 25801: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/f333c5e4

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Beirdo:

knightr: Thanks for the ticket :)

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Beirdo:

this hopefully will work :)

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Beirdo:

will find out soon enough

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Beirdo:

jya: OK, fix is committed. PLEASE let me know if this causes a crash in any edge conditions you may have.

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Beirdo:

it's working better here now for me

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Beirdo:

including not throwing that pointless error that the structure was deleted (another race condition)

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Beirdo:

eek, OK, minor adjustment...

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Beirdo:

Ithink it be bedtime

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Beirdo:

wow, that streamview stuff sure made cppcheck unhappy

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jya:

Beirdo: I'll be updating and let you know...

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pheld:

problems with the last schema upgrade (1306->1307): I think the field "added" in "scannerfile" should be TIMESTAMP not DATE_TIME. The unique key in table "scannerpath" is too big when using utf8 ... solved f.ex. by limiting the length of "filename" to 237 or less or by using an 8-bit charset to the table.

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sphery:

wagnerrp: QCryptographicHash (see, for example, dbl ain's work at https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/8b6f1fba6 )

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MythBuild:

build #118 of 0.25-linux-ppc is complete: Failure [4failed compile core] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/0.25 . . . c/builds/118 blamelist: Jonatan Lindblad <jlindblad@mythtv.org >

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natanojl:

Heh, it's not my fault the compiler segfaults on libmythtv/cc708window.cpp

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natanojl:

MythBuild: force build 0.25-linux-ppc now

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MythBuild:

build forced [ETA 1h29m03s]

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MythBuild:

I'll give a shout when the build finishes

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MythBuild:

Hey! build 0.25-linux-ppc #119 is complete: Failure [4failed compile core]

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** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/119 **

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MythBuild:

Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/0.25 . . . c/builds/119

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natanojl:

Beirdo: Do you know what's up with the 0.25 ppc builder?

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MythBuild:

build #1272 of cppcheck-master is complete: Failure [4failed shell_2] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/cppc . . . /builds/1272 blamelist: Jonatan Lindblad <jlindblad@mythtv.org >

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knightr_:

weird, that last builbot problem was that code.mythtv.org couldn't resolve...

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knightr_:

(I've checked and it does resolve right now for all 3 OSUOSL DNSes we use...)

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knightr_:

it has to go through a few hoops though, CNAME -> CNAME -> A

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Beirdo:

yeah, network burbles happen

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Beirdo:

MythBuild: force build cppcheck-master now

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MythBuild:

build forced [ETA 2m34s]

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MythBuild:

I'll give a shout when the build finishes

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Beirdo:

MythBuild: force build 0.25-linux-ppc now

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MythBuild:

build forced [ETA 1h29m03s]

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MythBuild:

I'll give a shout when the build finishes

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MythBuild:

build #1273 of cppcheck-master is complete: Success [3build successful] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/cppc . . . /builds/1273

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MythBuild:

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stuartm:

xris: I'm starting to think one of the problems with the icon services might be that we don't ignore duplicate submissions for existing approved matches, I'm seeing a whole bunch of icon matches listed that I'm pretty certain I already approved months ago

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stuartm:

what I think might be happening is that when we submit results we include all auto-matches as well as manual matches – that can be fixed in our clients, but it seems a good idea to prevent it server side as well

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stuartm:

my perl is rusty, so maybe someone else would be willing to work on improvements to the server scripts

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wagnerrp:

anyone who knows mysql want to comment on http://pastebin.com/KwTnqWsU ?

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wagnerrp:

the table creation works fine for me

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wagnerrp:

which i can only assume is the result of me somehow using a different character set, which results in shorter fields

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wagnerrp:

but since the character set is defined there, i dont understand how that could be

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wagnerrp:

and if we truncate the filename in the index, there is the potential for it to be no longer unique, and we shouldnt even bother with the key

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gary_buhrmaster:

wagnerrp: Re: "table creation works for me". My best guess is that if you defaulted to the innodb engine (perhaps due to engine substitution), and you are using the barracuda file format, then the keys can be much longer (if you also have the correct row-format).

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gary_buhrmaster:

wagnerrp: of course, those changes would nominally mean you are already a mysql expert, so my conjecture is probably meaningless.

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jya:

Something screwed up OpenGL stuff on the mac platform recently. My frontend suddenly started to display only the background of the theme. After I enabled Qt as painter, I could see that it was the prompt to upgrade the database. Going to seriously impact people upgrading on a mac. If you use Qt you can't use myth to play video, if you use OpenGL you can't see important text and menus aren't always drawn :(

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stuartm:

I'm not sure that anything has changed in that area for weeks or more, except for reference counting

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stuartm:

Mark was the last one to do any work on or near opengl

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jya:

stuartm: I seeâ€¦ I had a patch that would force Qt to be used when using mythtv-setup, and OpenGL for mythfrontend and mythavtest. As the default setting of Qt just doesn't work

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jya:

but that patch isn't sufficient to get around the problem if you have to use Qt for some parts of mythfrontend and OpenGL for another.

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jya:

This was certainly not the case in 0.25. Using only OpenGL in the frontend is good enough.

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jya:

In current master, it isn'tâ€¦ A few times I had no menus being displayed, I only get the theme background image

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Unhelpful:

blaaaaaaarg now i hafta develop more than boot scripts ;)

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