| Tuesday, May 29th, 2012, 00:02 UTC | ||
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| [00:48:49] | nOStahl: | hi guys i have a pinnacle 800e usb tuner, I followed a guide to extract a firmware file and put it in lib/firmware |
| [00:48:53] | nOStahl: | what else do I need to do |
| [00:51:38] | jya: | danielk22: I did have a look at that one earlier, following the cppcheck warning… it does what it's supposed to. pModeLines is a static array , so using sizeof(pModelLines) is fine. This false positivie has been reported to cppcheck folks, and they've fixed it |
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| [01:04:15] | danielk22: | jya: cool |
| [01:04:53] | jya: | danielk22: I did go through all the cppcheck warnings reported, and fixed everything that required fixing |
| [01:31:00] | jya: | danielk22: did you get the chance at the channel change bit ? |
| [01:36:04] | danielk22: | danielk22: No. I had less time for MythTV this weekend than anticipated. |
| [01:36:16] | jya: | same here... |
| [01:36:59] | danielk22: | Was it a holiday weekend where you are too? |
| [01:39:54] | jya: | no wasn't… but I started another project in my new company, and I said I was going to implement some stuff… took longer than expected. REST server |
| [01:40:58] | jya: | make me wonder how can anyone value instagram for $1 billion… I've implemented 90% of what their server does, in about 3 days |
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| [03:21:41] | skd5aner: | jya: well, if you anticipate that your project will even come in at 10% of that, let me know in advance so I can come work for you ;) |
| [03:22:16] | jya: | skd5aner: 10% , why should I limit myself to such petty goals |
| [03:22:29] | skd5aner: | ;) |
| [03:22:58] | jya: | if you have an iPhone, can surely be a tester |
| [03:23:19] | skd5aner: | ah, sorry... android user |
| [03:23:47] | skd5aner: | thanks though |
| [03:23:57] | jya: | will be having an android version |
| [03:24:10] | skd5aner: | and with that... off to bed, when I wake up, I'll be a year older |
| [03:24:19] | jya: | happy birthday |
| [03:24:30] | skd5aner: | heh – thanks |
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| [05:39:14] | Beirdo: | jeez |
| [05:40:12] | Beirdo: | I leave my computers to their own devices for three days... and they go bonkers |
| [05:42:01] | stuartm: | you can't leave computers on their own for three days! |
| [05:42:07] | ** stuartm calls social services ** | |
| [05:44:23] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [13:41:43] | stichnot: | stuartm: sorry for the delayed response re #9680. In the linked sample, the Subtitles menu offers Swedish and Danish TT CC options. Manually selecting Danish gives the "P694 Page Not Available" message (which is generated by mythtv). This is why I suspect something broken in the mapping between subtitle tracks and page numbers. Selecting Swedish doesn't give an error, though no subtitles... |
| [13:41:43] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9680 ** | |
| [13:41:44] | stichnot: | ...are displayed, but I don't know if any are actually present (I believe the ones that show up are "burned in"). |
| [13:44:44] | stuartm: | stichnot: it may simply be indicating that no subtitles are available, but that's pure guesswork since I'm not in Sweden to test – perhaps we should just suppress the 'page not available' error when requesting subtitles and finding none |
| [13:45:05] | stuartm: | or display it for a few seconds before clearing the screen |
| [13:46:05] | stuartm: | or display it only when the user has manually selected subs (rather than the global 'always show subtitles) |
| [13:46:32] | stichnot: | Note the first line of the ticket text: "Switching to Swedish channels often display a full-text teletext with the program underneath." I suspect Martin provided a sample without that specific behavior, but still with some problematic mapping behavior. |
| [13:46:57] | stuartm: | might be worth asking if the user can display subtitles through the teletext menus, or by entering a different page number |
| [13:47:31] | stuartm: | i.e. whether we're just requesting the wrong page, or whether it's the right page number but the page just isn't there |
| [13:48:15] | stichnot: | How do teletext users generally know what page numbers are supposed to do what? |
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| [13:50:48] | stuartm: | stichnot: there's usually an index page listing all pages and their numbers, or at least the major pages e.g. 300 – News, 350 – Weather, 500 – Cinema Listings |
| [13:52:34] | stuartm: | where page 300 would be a landing page for news with index local news, national news, sports news etc |
| [13:55:20] | stuartm: | e.g. 301 might be the first page for national news with major headlines given a page each 302, 303, 304 etc – it will either naturally cycle OR pressing RED/GREEN/YELLOW/BLUE will control movement – Next page/previous page or jump points to 'News Index', 'Local News' etc |
| [13:55:55] | stichnot: | so on this particular sample, "Toggle Teletext Menu" brings up an interactive menu, alluding to various 3-digit pages, but every one I try gives me "page not available". It's hard to know whether this is a bad mapping or lack of data. |
| [13:57:16] | stuartm: | with a small sample it's entirely possible it's the latter, the data carousel can take a while to come right around and if you've just tuned a channel it's not uncommon to be left waiting a minute or more for the pages to become available |
| [13:57:52] | stichnot: | ah, that makes sense. |
| [13:59:59] | stichnot: | I think the best approach is to ask for a sample showing "Switching to Swedish channels often display a full-text teletext with the program underneath." |
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| [14:35:08] | dekarl-too: | stichnot, in addition we europeans trade secret lists of the subtitle pages as they are not properly signalled :( |
| [14:35:32] | dekarl-too: | #10649 usually shows that only the index page is signaled |
| [14:35:32] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10649 ** | |
| [14:37:11] | stichnot: | dekarl-too: where does the information in that patch show up during playback? |
| [14:37:27] | dekarl-too: | here is one of these lists http://www.oeglb.at/netbuilder/docs/untertitel-listetv.pdf |
| [14:37:53] | dekarl-too: | it shows up only in the logfiles |
| [14:40:23] | dekarl-too: | its "-v siparser" iirc (i run with record,siparser,channel all the time) |
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| [15:09:56] | dekarl-too: | stichnot, hope you read the logs, how does MythTV know which teletext page to switch to for captions? Is that the setting VBIpageNr with default 888? (btw, you can run mythutil --pidprinter on the PMT PID to see the descriptor.) |
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| [16:25:39] | stichnot: | dekarl-too: That setting (VBIPageNr) is only used for the CEA-608 VBI-based teletext captions. (Another subtitle type that I have no way of testing, though I understand that may be pretty much dead these days.) |
| [16:26:41] | dekarl-too: | I see. I can look in my recordings if I have some bilingual teletext subtitles if thats of use (likely german / french) |
| [16:28:06] | dekarl-too: | I assumed it might be related as I saw 888 and 777 alot on the subtitle page list |
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| [16:29:48] | stichnot: | There's some mapping between tracks and page numbers that I'm trying to track down right now. |
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| [16:33:38] | stuartm: | so QT5 is "interesting", apparently we'll be writing our applications in javascript instead of C++ |
| [16:33:53] | stichnot: | good lord. |
| [16:34:49] | stuartm: | they are chasing the mobile app market and I guess they think C++ is just too difficult for app developers to grasp |
| [16:34:52] | wagnerrp: | eh? |
| [16:35:08] | wagnerrp: | but... javascript is a god awful language |
| [16:35:31] | stuartm: | "We should expect that over time all UIs will be written in QML. JavaScript will become a first class citizen within the Qt community and we should expect that a lot of application logic and even entire applications will be written in JavaScript instead of C++." |
| [16:35:31] | wagnerrp: | the syntax isnt bad, but the scoping is close to non-existent |
| [16:35:31] | stichnot: | dekarl-too: The key entry point for teletext captions is in MythPlayer::EnableCaptions(uint mode, bool osd_msg), specifically where (kDisplayTeletextCaptions & mode) is tested. |
| [16:36:04] | wagnerrp: | javascript will never become a first-class language among "real" programmers until they deal with scoping |
| [16:36:20] | stuartm: | "Qt 5 should be the foundation for a new way of developing applications. While offering all of the power of native Qt using C++, the focus should shift to a model, where C++ is mainly used to implement modular backend functionality for Qt Quick." |
| [16:36:46] | stuartm: | where Qt Quick is their javascript interpreter or something |
| [16:37:11] | wagnerrp: | so in otherwords, they're talking about the design methodology behind python |
| [16:37:28] | wagnerrp: | write it in slow, interpreted python |
| [16:37:46] | wagnerrp: | if you need more speed, preprocess it into C with cython |
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| [16:38:02] | wagnerrp: | if you need more speed, start adding static types into the processed cython |
| [16:38:19] | wagnerrp: | if you need yet more speed, write the C modules directly |
| [16:39:14] | stuartm: | and ultimately you've written the application three times when it could have been done just once in C/C++ to begin with |
| [16:39:48] | wagnerrp: | well the idea is "get something written now, figure out what to optimize once something is running" |
| [16:40:34] | wagnerrp: | of course a good number of things are obviously going to be too slow for python with just a cursory analysis, so you would jump straight to C |
| [16:41:27] | wagnerrp: | i just couldnt stand having to write any significantly large application in javascript |
| [16:41:38] | wagnerrp: | id rather do it in fortran |
| [16:41:49] | wagnerrp: | at least it has independent modules |
| [16:43:43] | stichnot: | The problem with practically all scripting languages is that they are really hard for a compiler to optimize. This is because they are "too dynamic" — code can be loaded later on that adds, removes, or changes definitions of fields or methods, invalidating key assumptions made by the compiler. |
| [16:44:18] | stichnot: | Most papers on this topic start out like, "We assume a restricted subset of the language... " |
| [16:44:39] | wagnerrp: | stichnot: yeah, thats the general idea behind cython |
| [16:44:52] | wagnerrp: | you take native python, and run it through cython |
| [16:44:59] | stichnot: | (looking it up now...) |
| [16:45:04] | wagnerrp: | youll get something modestly better than direct interpretation |
| [16:45:26] | wagnerrp: | you start attaching static typing to the variables in the python code, and you get a couple orders of magnitude better performance than the dynamic interpreter |
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| [16:47:14] | wagnerrp: | of course static typing is completely counter to the "duck typing" methodology behind python |
| [16:47:18] | wagnerrp: | so the two languages are a bit at odds |
| [16:47:40] | stichnot: | That looks like a good first step, but does it do anything to help the problem of interprocedural optimizations? |
| [16:48:04] | coling: | Anyone heard of any segvs related to MythDB::WriteDelayedSettings (it seems that gCoreContext (or rather d within it) is null: http://pastebin.ca/2155512 |
| [16:48:05] | stichnot: | e.g., an inlining decision can become invalidated when someone redefines the target method |
| [16:48:12] | coling: | (not not my machine and I can't reproduce) |
| [16:48:19] | coling: | *note |
| [16:49:15] | wagnerrp: | dont know, havent dug too deeply into how far it can optimize things |
| [16:49:24] | coling: | I can't see anything obviously related since we took our fixes snapshot... (@ 674e37ab7d16f5a8ee7c8426dcb7a594a23fa75f) |
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| [16:50:31] | stichnot: | perhaps static typing of fields prevents them from being redefined |
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| [18:08:05] | danielk22: | stichnot: In WriteDelayedSettings "if (!gCoreContext->IsUIThread())" should be "if (!gCoreContext || !gCoreContext->IsUIThread())" and in MythCoreContext::IsUIThread we should return "!d || is_current_thread(d->m_UIThread);" We're checking IsUIThread while the context is still being initialized, which it wasn't designed for. |
| [18:09:39] | danielk22: | On the whole Qt5 thing... they are owned by a cell phone company now, the direction they are taking makes some sense for them.. Hopefully someone else will buy the team before too long.. |
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| [18:14:06] | stichnot: | danielk22: that sounds reasonable, but that's not "my" code or related changes by me, is it? |
| [18:16:27] | stichnot: | this is wrt to coling's post, right? |
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| [18:19:20] | danielk22: | stichnot: I didn't run blame on the mythdb.cpp but you weren't doing anything with delayed settings writes AFAIK. |
| [18:20:01] | danielk22: | Possibly something you did triggered it, a setting set? |
| [18:22:11] | stichnot: | danielk22: Do you know which myth app this is? |
| [18:23:17] | stichnot: | And is the issue in master or -fixes? |
| [18:24:39] | stichnot: | The only thing related to settings updates I can think of is the code that changes the subtitle zoom as a "live setting", in Master only |
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| [18:28:12] | drounse: | if i have boxee as a frontend, can i use a mythtv backend to stream live tv to boxee? |
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| [18:37:24] | dekarl: | does that ring a bell with anyone? |
| [18:37:24] | dekarl: | /usr/bin/ld: libswscale/x86/rgb2rgb.o: relocation R_X86_64_PC32 against symbol `ff_bgr2YCoeff' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC |
| [18:49:59] | coling: | stichnot, are you referring to my segv issue when asking if master or -fixes? If so it's fixes (from a snapshot taken @ 674e37ab7d16f5a8ee7c8426dcb7a594a23fa75f). The backtraces comes from the BE, but I've had reports from people saying that mythtv-setup also crashes. |
| [18:50:08] | coling: | (not sure if it's with the same bt tho') |
| [18:51:14] | stichnot: | coling: yes, assuming danielk22 is also referring to that |
| [18:51:22] | coling: | ifception :) |
| [18:52:26] | coling: | Cool. I can update fixes to latest and get the user to retest if that would help? I can also include danielk22's suggestions too or leave them out for the purposes of testing. |
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| [19:07:40] | superm1: | dekarl: is that happening in a packaging based build or right from configure/qmake? |
| [19:08:25] | dekarl: | superm1: its in the normal packaging build on my box and the buildbot see https://launchpadlibrarian.net/106336556/buil . . . BUILD.txt.gz |
| [19:08:43] | superm1: | dekarl: okay so it's caused by binutils 2.21 |
| [19:08:53] | superm1: | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1013526/ |
| [19:09:03] | superm1: | i was hoping that would fix it, but it's not working properly |
| [19:09:07] | superm1: | so not yet committed |
| [19:09:52] | dekarl: | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1013527/ didnt help either |
| [19:11:08] | superm1: | if i can't get that to work properly that i started on, the ffmpeg packaging fix will probably be portable in some fashion |
| [19:11:14] | superm1: | as explained in that above IRC log |
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| [19:18:54] | stuartm: | stichnot: just some crossed wires I think, not it's not your fault that it's crashing there |
| [19:20:46] | stuartm: | 42626b12 mythtv/libs/libmythbase/mythdb.cpp (Gavin Hurlbut 2011-06–20 22:01:00 -0700 889) if (!gCoreContext->IsUIThread()) |
| [19:21:34] | stuartm: | I'd suggest that since it's a race condition it could have crashed at any time since that commit, it's just started to do so now for one user |
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| [20:29:50] | stichnot: | stuartm, danielk22: that sounds likely. I just can't think of anything I've done in the last month that could affect anything on the backend. |
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