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Saturday, May 12th, 2012, 00:05 UTC
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[01:50:48] jya: Captain_Murdoch: for Airplay, time synchronisation will only work with the RAOP protocol. In the RTP packet contains a timestamp that is in the master clock reference. For video, Apple didn't bother that much. All it does is export a HLS stream or a URL to a direct mp4/m4v file and it's up to the client to play it all… There's no mechanism to play multiple video files on multiple frontend
[01:56:51] jya: so for video playback, it's up to the airplay server (apple tv or mythfrontend) to retrieve the content via http ; it's all done over TCP. RAOP is all over UDP, push from the client and the server can request resend etc...
[01:58:03] jya: I guess I could write a AudioOutput module that is actually a RAOP client, that would send all the data to multiple frontend if asked.. Audio would be automatically in sync then..
[01:58:24] jya: interesting exercise from a technical point of view, but I'm not sure it will be that interesting
[01:59:34] jya: unless, we only ever play audio via RAOP at all time, even if on the same host it's played by the RAOP server… that would do the trick easily; audio everywhere, on multiple host… Having said that, I think pulse can do something similar already
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[02:19:25] Captain_Murdoch: yeah, I was thinking video mainly. guess if I ever decide to have a superbowl party I'll may want to rethink the original patch.
[02:21:37] diogorb: Please, can any one tell me if myth implements DSM CC protocol?
[02:21:57] diogorb: Does myth provide a way of moving objects ?
[02:22:12] diogorb: sending any kind of objects
[02:22:22] diogorb: generic objetcs...
[02:22:43] diogorb: May DSM CC help me... Does any one know about that?
[02:24:35] diogorb: Pleaseee
[02:24:53] diogorb: does any one read my message? how would i know?
[03:59:23] wagnerrp: stichnot: did you have a ticket open for that earlier issue?
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[04:00:11] wagnerrp: sorry, natanojl
[04:00:46] wagnerrp: now ive done it, ive gone and killed him...
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[04:37:44] stichnot: wagnerrp: were you asking about this issue? http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/4/2012-05-11:23:28:31
[04:38:30] stichnot: (I don't have a ticket on that, just noticed it today and connected it with previous observations)
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[05:59:14] jya: how does avfd handle variable bitrate content?
[06:00:28] jya: I'm a bit puzzled here, all the ringbuffer functions deal in bytes, as in the GetRealFileSize returns the size of the file in bytes, GetReadPosition returns the position in byte, and more importantly Seek set a particular position to play in.
[06:01:38] jya: this would be just fine using constant bitrate media… However, in the HLS case, theorically, bandwidth can change as required in case there's not enough bandwidth to download a segment in time, or if for example a particular stream failed to download and it fell back on another
[06:03:08] jya: I was thinking a way for me to get around this, would be to simulate as if the bitrate was constant, convert the value when seeking to a time value, and calculate where in the ts stream to seek.
[06:05:40] jya: however, that would assume that the argument being passed on to Seek is done according to the original bitrate calculated, and not what the current one being played is...
[06:06:01] jya: anyone with knowledge in this area is welcome to answer !
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[10:54:13] jya: Captain_Murdoch: is there a way to determine what error caused a download to fail… very frequently I get MythDownloadManager::download() to exit with an error, I can't see any reason why it would...
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[11:23:24] jya: ah! the only reason my stuff isn't playing properly, is actually myth enable to properly play that content
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[13:33:28] stuartm: win64 uses 4bit long? ...
[13:35:41] jya_: no 32 bits
[13:35:51] jya_: MS is LLP64
[13:36:00] jya_: on linux long are 64 bits
[13:36:08] jya_: on windows its 32 bites
[13:36:16] jya_: int are 32 on both
[13:37:18] jya_: i use int32_t or int64_t everywhere now
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[15:35:15] Rabbit^^: Has anyone been able to successfully use MythTV with ATI's TVW750USB?
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[17:14:46] stuartm: jya: that was a typo, s/bit/byte/
[17:15:29] stuartm: 4 bit really would be ridiculous :)
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[21:19:43] Beirdo: superm1: you in?
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[21:58:17] earthw0rm: Ay up lads
[21:59:03] earthw0rm: I set the radio times to be the tv guide for my freeview input on mythtv but there's nothing in the tv guide
[21:59:38] wagnerrp: looking for #mythtv-users?
[21:59:54] earthw0rm: Oh aye, sorry
[22:00:18] earthw0rm: Your lot ought to swap to #mythtv-devel and save some head ache  :D
[22:00:29] earthw0rm: Sorry for the intrusion anyway, and great work on the project
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[22:07:06] jya_: anyone with experience in the mpegts code, can they have a look at #10715 ?
[22:07:06] ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10715 **
[22:07:25] jya_: this one is hindering my HLS progress...
[22:09:04] jya_: Captain_Murdoch: I played with the HLS generator yesterday, both the one generated directly on the backend web interface, and via the Torc API…. I get awfully blocky playback… I've seen videos where it starts to be good after about a minute, some (most) stays blocky all the time...
[22:18:46] Beirdo: that file seems to play OK, no audio
[22:18:53] Beirdo: occasionally delays a bit
[22:23:02] Beirdo: have you tried playing it OTHER than via HLS?
[22:24:23] Beirdo: 89.91fps?!
[22:25:15] jya_: Beirdo: that file plays crap on any system I've tried (myth of course, either pre-ffmpeg sync or post)
[22:25:21] jya_: it plays fine with mplayer of VLC
[22:25:57] jya_: Beirdo: when you say "ok" and no audio, for me that's not okay..
[22:26:14] jya_: there's no audio because it keeps dropping video frame and pause audio to have it keep up.
[22:26:25] Beirdo: not on my system
[22:26:29] jya_: the counter should be incrementing ultra smoothly
[22:26:38] Beirdo: it doesn't say anything about dropping frames
[22:26:50] jya_: and every time it reach a second, it show bip – bop – bip – bop
[22:29:10] jya_: do you have Safari on a machine ?
[22:29:17] Beirdo: yes
[22:29:26] jya_: try this one
[22:29:27] jya_: http://devimages.apple.com/iphone/samples/bipbopall.html
[22:29:57] jya_: that's the HLS stream… the link in the ticket is the mpeg-ts stream I've extracted from the HLS
[22:31:02] Beirdo: mplayer won't play it at all for me (the .ts)
[22:31:15] jya_: Beirdo: while i have issue playing the stream live, i couldn't explain it was playing that way
[22:31:24] jya_: so i saved the mpegts on disk
[22:31:52] jya_: and attempted to play it directly..
[22:31:54] Beirdo: mplayer plays only the audio
[22:32:08] jya_: how recent is your mplayer?
[22:32:17] Beirdo: I dunno
[22:34:40] jya_: Quicktime plays it well too :)
[22:34:52] jya_: and same straight from the Finder
[22:36:15] jya_: a bit hard for me to test if my hls ringbuffer works, when the playback code doesn't play the plain mpeg stream :(
[22:38:07] Beirdo: hah, that might work better if I tried it on the frontend which actually HAS a display
[22:40:07] Beirdo: do we even support mono AAC?
[22:40:35] Beirdo: at 22050Hz sampling?
[22:40:41] jya_: i see no reason why we couldn't play mono file
[22:40:56] jya_: and the sampling is irrelevant as it will be resampled automatically if need be
[22:41:20] jya_: mono is upmixed to stereo if the audio card doesn't support mono
[22:41:24] Beirdo: let me remember what the commands were to look at the ts structure... I do it so rarely I always forget
[22:48:30] jya_: that 12.04 is such a bloody pain in the arse… they keep changing stuff… the good old /etc/init.d/blah stop doesn't work anymore, and neither does service blah stop
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[22:48:54] jya_: i just want tot stop mythbackend.. each time i kill it it respawn
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[22:52:39] jya_: sudo /sbin/stop mythtv-backend
[22:52:47] jya_: that did it...
[22:52:53] Beirdo: this is why I don't use their crappy scripts
[22:55:25] Beirdo: first off: I think that .ts file is crappy
[22:55:56] Beirdo: as in, mplayer (when finally convinced to play it) says there is no FPS (or an invalid one) in the headers
[22:56:20] Beirdo: it could just be that some of the info ffmpeg needs to actually play it just isn't there
[22:56:34] Beirdo: secondly, my frontend can't keep up with it
[22:56:48] Beirdo: it said in your bug report that it's 89.91fps
[22:56:54] Beirdo: whereever that came from
[22:57:14] Beirdo: my frontend tries valiantly and caps out at 70.11fps
[22:57:34] Beirdo: I would say get a better sample file that doesn't try to kill our playback for your testing
[22:57:47] Beirdo: stream something you know we can play
[22:58:05] Beirdo: and we'll continue to work on seeing why that one doesn't play
[22:58:29] Beirdo: 70.11fps had both cores at 100%
[22:59:19] Beirdo: 2012-05–12 15:54:46.819392 I AFD: Selected FPS is 89.9101 (avg 0 codec 89.9101 container 90000 estimated 14.985)
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[23:01:30] Beirdo: my TV can't do 90fps progressive :) and obviously neither can VDPAU on that card (GT220)
[23:01:40] jya_: well, that's the ts from apple's sample
[23:01:50] Beirdo: well, their sample sucks :)
[23:01:53] jya_: VLC does it
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[23:03:27] Beirdo: that may be, but our code isn't based on VLC. Maybe there's a way to find out HOW VLC does it and adapt
[23:03:53] Beirdo: but if you can test the HLS part with a different sample, you could take the two problems on separately
[23:10:26] Beirdo: ffplay likes it (straight from apple) other than the audio, which is doing nothing right now
[23:22:07] Beirdo: we should also try a straight-up ffmpeg from our sync, without our mpegts.c
[23:22:32] jya_: Beirdo: yes, that's what i was doing just then
[23:22:35] jya_: recompiling
[23:22:51] Beirdo: once you have that, see if ffplay likes it
[23:23:32] jya_: ahah, it's mother's day here, and preparing breakfast.. then I find my nutella toast half eaten… both my kids denied touching it… even my 2 year old with his face full of chocolate
[23:23:46] Beirdo: kids will be kids
[23:24:27] wagnerrp: you aussies do nutella too? i thought that was a european thing
[23:24:42] Beirdo: He's European living in AU :)
[23:25:04] Beirdo: so I guess that gives a good excuse :) better nutella than vegemite, I say
[23:26:07] Beirdo: that reminds me, need more PB
[23:27:52] jya_: vegemite.. gosh that things is awful
[23:28:23] Beirdo: just some dead yeast... nothing much
[23:28:43] jya_: my wife, a pure breed aussie is the biggest nutella eater… i'm 95% certain that the pot will be empty before day ends
[23:28:58] Beirdo: hehe
[23:40:21] jya_: well, can anyone tell me of a sample HLS stream i can try?
[23:40:52] jya_: if the Apple's ones are broken it's kind of an issue trying the whole thing
[23:43:55] Beirdo: couldn't you generate one with an iDevice?
[23:52:35] jya_: Beirdo: no.. that's not what idevice do
[23:52:53] jya_: when you start playback of an HLS stream in an idevice back to say Airplay
[23:53:12] jya_: what it passes to the airplay server is the original URL
[23:53:51] jya_: the airplay server then fetches it directly while it keeps a control socket with the iphone open so the iphone can send command like pause/stop playback info etc..
[23:55:06] jya_: so say i play a video on my iPhone while using Air Video, the urL myth get from AirPlay is the HLS stream from the airvideo server, completely bypassing the iphone
[23:56:25] Beirdo: ahhh
[23:56:46] Beirdo: https://github.com/carsonmcdonald/HTTP-Live-V . . . -Distributor
[23:56:52] Beirdo: that could be of some use maybe
[23:57:35] Beirdo: probably better than testing against our own HLS output :)
[23:58:18] jya_: actually, that's something I wanted to discuss with Captain_Murdoch
[23:58:37] Beirdo: always best to not test against oneself only
[23:58:38] jya_: lots of issues with the hls stream being generated..
[23:59:24] jya_: Beirdo: well, i thought the apple test stream were perfect… they have samples of almost any possible conditions you are likely to see
[23:59:39] jya_: like presenting two streams, with one failing in the middle to test fallback
[23:59:52] Beirdo: yeah, but if we need to fix the decoding as well... :)

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