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| [03:32:31] | Beirdo: | stuartm: not that I've heard of (on the flv) |
| [03:32:43] | Beirdo: | ntpd config scripts are now fixed |
| [03:34:32] | Beirdo: | and smoon |
| [03:35:12] | Beirdo: | and buildbot is started from rc.local |
| [03:35:26] | Beirdo: | beirdobot has to be started by hand for now |
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| [12:26:29] | jya: | wagnerrp: I found out another reason why some of the bonjour services do not work for some (it didn't work for me on my mac) |
| [12:26:48] | jya: | so the ServerPool listen to all the addresses, that good |
| [12:27:37] | jya: | however, the Bonjour service is configured using the default parameters, which is to use the name of the local machine ; this is what is used for the client to know what host to connect to. |
| [12:27:46] | jya: | on my mac, the default name was jyaimac.local |
| [12:28:08] | jya: | that address didn't resolve for my iTunes PC (yet, my iPhone / iPad can resolve it for some reason)… |
| [12:28:50] | jya: | so not only you need the address to be properly defined so it correctly listens to the right interface. But you also need your hostname to be properly set up and so that it can be resolved externally |
| [12:28:53] | stuarta: | there's a multicast dns service that picks that up iirc |
| [12:30:22] | jya: | stuarta: well, that's not what iTunes on my mac was doing.. it was definitely trying to contact jyaimac.local host and would fail. I've change the bonjourregister.cpp code to advertise using "jyaimac" (which is the name recorded at my dns) and now at least connection attempts are going somewhere |
| [12:30:28] | jya: | it still fails, but that's another reason |
| [12:30:53] | jya: | righto.. off to bed, will work on this tomorrow |
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| [13:03:13] | stuartm: | natanojl: are you interested in maintaining mnv? I ask because it seems like it would benefit from automatically pulling updated site lists from services.mythtv.org instead of using hardcoded urls that require a new version of the application each time they change |
| [13:06:31] | stuartm: | it would initially take some work to set up, particularly the services side but if done as a reusable framework then it could be used in other places, e.g. mythnews, mythmusic (radio urls) etc |
| [13:06:38] | stuartm: | Captain_Murdoch: ^^ any thoughts? |
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| [13:15:14] | natanojl: | stuartm: Sure, I can take over that now that Robert has left. The services idea sounds good to me |
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| [13:17:47] | stichnot: | stuartm: I'm thinking about how to put caption/subtitle formatting controls in osd.xml (e.g. font, color, background, outline, shadow). My thought is to add a section to osd.xml like this: <window name="osd_subtitle"> ... </window>. Inside osd_subtitle, there would be a number of textarea elements: 608_text, 708_0_text, ..., 708_7_text, text_text, and teletext_text, for the text properties, and |
| [13:17:49] | stichnot: | corresponding shape elements (ending with _bg instead of _text) for the caption background. Do you see any problems, such as performance, with this direction? |
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| [13:24:50] | stichnot: | I don't know quite how to say this, but I imagine that the osd_subtitle window wouldn't be directly added to the screen stack. Rather, it would be used to statically hold the basic textarea and shape information, which the subtitle code would extract using GetChild() and then draw the actual subtitle components the way it's currently done. |
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| [13:53:42] | stuartm: | stichnot: wouldn't really be necessary for it to sit inside a <window>, especially not if that screen won't actually be used (could be too confusing if backgrounds and other effects added to the subtitles in that window are ignored) |
| [13:55:41] | stichnot: | I see. If the definitions aren't encapsulated within <window>, would it be better to put all this in a separate file? |
| [13:55:42] | stuartm: | I should be upfront and say that I've never really grasped why they need to be themable, in the case of things like teletext they were never meant to be – colour, position is defined by the broadcaster and font has long been standardised so there's really nothing else to 'theme' |
| [13:56:21] | stuartm: | stichnot: that might not be a bad idea, since they won't be treated strictly like other theme stuff, the code would be ignoring a lot of what the themer has defined and doing it's own thing |
| [13:58:53] | stichnot: | I think that font choice is probably the strongest themable/customizable argument. e.g., the 8 fonts available in CEA-708, plus people who really want to control the .srt font attributes |
| [14:00:12] | stichnot: | background transparency is another control people seem to want |
| [14:03:19] | stichnot: | btw, any position/size information in the theme would be explicitly ignored |
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| [14:06:20] | stuartm: | I can't help thinking it would be much simpler for the font and background transparency to remain as settings, making the subtitle themable in this case isn't going to add anything new as you note we'll be ignoring position/size and also alignment, bold/italics, colour, scroll, multi-line and a bunch of other themable attributes |
| [14:07:54] | stuartm: | in other words subtitles won't be any more themable than they are (or were prior to the removal of the font settings) and all of this requires a bunch more work |
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| [14:25:21] | stichnot: | I actually don't expect this to be much coding work at all, but I'll have to see. I expect it would be particularly useful for font selection, font readability/contrast attributes like outline/shadow, and background controls. |
| [14:26:05] | stichnot: | And just imagine the ability to have color-gradient alpha-pulsing backgrounds behind the captions! :) |
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| [14:32:57] | stichnot: | stuartm: thanks for the feedback. |
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| [15:43:51] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: so that would shift the grabbers to be all server-side? |
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| [15:47:01] | wagnerrp: | ive got mixed feelings about that |
| [15:47:18] | wagnerrp: | if were ever to support things like amazon, that is going to have to be all client-side anyway |
| [15:48:10] | wagnerrp: | perhaps something like the theme browser, where the service merely lets you maintain the installed scripts |
| [15:49:01] | wagnerrp: | since we have the master git repository local now, we could have it pull the updates directly from there |
| [15:49:26] | wagnerrp: | just have MNV pull scripts from two locations then |
| [15:49:42] | wagnerrp: | one in share, one in the user's home directory, and select the newest version |
| [15:50:02] | wagnerrp: | so that way, our independent updates don't cause conflicts with ones shipped by packagers |
| [15:50:11] | wagnerrp: | and we dont have to deal with permissions issues |
| [15:52:23] | wagnerrp: | xris: some time back, we had discussed the possibility for some modular framework to write new services within |
| [15:52:28] | wagnerrp: | any further thoughts on that? |
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| [16:15:39] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i tossed #10636 to you |
| [16:15:39] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10636 ** | |
| [16:15:44] | wagnerrp: | user has a non-compliant schema |
| [16:15:55] | wagnerrp: | trying to figure out if it was us or them who caused it |
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| [16:49:40] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: not server side no, the scripts would be downloaded from services.mythtv.org just as we download themes now, only automatically as updated scripts become available (or simple text lists for the rss feeds) |
| [16:50:19] | wagnerrp: | ah |
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| [16:55:03] | stuartm: | the reason why they were all written as scripts to begin with was that they could be updated without shipping new tarballs/binaries, we just never took the next logical step of making them available separately |
| [16:56:32] | stuartm: | that was the ultimate goal of the Google SoC mythweather re-write, plugin scripts that could be dropped into a directory to add new grabbers or update them when source sites changed |
| [17:02:36] | stuartm: | so that makes mythvideo, mythnetvision, mythnews, mythmusic, mythweather and mythbrowser (built-in bookmarks) which could all benefit from such a framework |
| [17:03:04] | stuartm: | mythbackend/mythtv-setup too if we included frequency tables and other such stuff |
| [17:04:08] | wagnerrp: | well that would lend itself to some sort of framework for that sort of stuff all that much more |
| [17:04:26] | wagnerrp: | since there are several different areas that would benefit from such things |
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| [20:13:22] | stuartm: | "Sun, Apr 22, 08:00 PM to 10:00 PM (47 mins)" |
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| [20:14:33] | stuartm: | now I know why it's reporting 47 minutes (remaining, being that it's 9:14 now), but it still looks strange |
| [20:15:12] | stuartm: | might benefit from being written as (47 mins remaining) or (47 mins left) |
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| [20:34:00] | xris: | wagnerrp: I turned it back on to sync something Beirdo forgot. must have forgot to disable it again |
| [20:34:20] | xris: | wagnerrp: alcor's back up. did you get it fixed? |
| [20:36:52] | wagnerrp: | meaning... did i go into #osuosl and poke someone to restart it? actually, stuarta did that |
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| [20:38:13] | xris: | ah |
| [20:38:26] | xris: | 2 hard crashes in a week. that doesn't bode well |
| [20:38:45] | wagnerrp: | there wasnt actually anyone there at the time, someone had to log in remotely and trip the power circuit |
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| [20:39:23] | wagnerrp: | xris: does that board have any form of ILM we could interface with? |
| [20:40:31] | wagnerrp: | or was it before that sort of stuff became common place? |
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| [20:53:06] | cyclicflux: | Whats krackalackin all?!?! |
| [20:53:23] | cyclicflux: | I have a question for the ages. I am not sure if you all can help w/it. |
| [20:53:36] | wagnerrp: | does it have to do with mythtv? |
| [20:53:50] | cyclicflux: | Yes, it does, as well as SAMSUNG TV |
| [20:54:00] | wagnerrp: | does it have to do with the development of mythtv? |
| [20:54:18] | xris: | ILM? |
| [20:54:20] | cyclicflux: | No, but indirectly w/regard to overall support |
| [20:54:26] | xris: | oh, hardware. not sure |
| [20:54:31] | wagnerrp: | cyclicflux: you likely want #mythtv-users |
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| [20:54:44] | wagnerrp: | xris: Integrated Lights-out Management |
| [20:54:45] | cyclicflux: | Its disk/filesystem/hard-disk related. |
| [20:55:03] | cyclicflux: | No doubt. I'll check that room then thank you all for your help. |
| [20:55:19] | wagnerrp: | IP-based-KVM, IP-based local terminal, remote reset, etc.... |
| [20:55:57] | wagnerrp: | something that would allow us to do restarts without having to poke someone at osuosl |
| [20:56:09] | wagnerrp: | and potentially see the last errors logged to the local terminal when it crashes |
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| [21:05:37] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: osuosl have something like that hooked up, a few months ago they talked about getting us hooked up a login but we didn't persue it |
| [21:06:44] | wagnerrp: | meaning they have additional hardware they plug into a system to support it? |
| [21:06:56] | wagnerrp: | im talking about something often built right into server motherboards these days |
| [21:07:26] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: I guess, I really don't know the details or enough about server admin type stuff to guess at what they are using |
| [21:07:40] | stuartm: | it's not built in though |
| [21:08:31] | wagnerrp: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-band_management |
| [21:08:36] | stuartm: | just something that allows us to power cycle and get a look at the terminal even when ssh is down |
| [21:08:43] | wagnerrp: | different OEMs call their products different things |
| [21:08:55] | wagnerrp: | but its effectively a second computer sitting inside the first |
| [21:09:06] | jams: | they have a seperate system for remote managment, but if the server has ilm/rilo they will give you access to it. With that said no idea if alcor has it or not. |
| [21:09:08] | wagnerrp: | just to provide some form of access when the first becomes unresponsive |
| [21:09:37] | jams: | they do prefer the servers have it, but it's not a requirement. |
| [21:11:02] | stuartm: | I got the impression the other night that they were unimpressed with our hardware :) |
| [21:11:12] | wagnerrp: | heh, it is quite old |
| [21:11:34] | wagnerrp: | as in... "why dont you switch to our VM cluster?" |
| [21:11:46] | jams: | it's a supermicro MB..they wont' even take those anymore |
| [21:11:52] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: yeah and "<mythmon> have you guys considered replacing the system?" |
| [21:12:16] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:12:20] | wagnerrp: | jams: not even new ones? |
| [21:12:40] | Beirdo: | have they considered that that costs a pile of real money? |
| [21:12:48] | stuartm: | as in the sort of thing you politely say to someone who has just turned up in a beat up, rusted heap of a car belching thick black smoke |
| [21:13:07] | jams: | wagnerrp- not from what they told me |
| [21:13:14] | ** wagnerrp wonders who we can milk $5K off of for new equipment ** | |
| [21:13:52] | wagnerrp: | jams: is that supermicro in particular? or do they pretty much not want any home-built servers? |
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| [21:14:00] | jams: | both |
| [21:14:17] | wagnerrp: | thats a shame |
| [21:15:08] | wagnerrp: | s/$5K/$10K/ |
| [21:15:35] | jams: | tried to get them to host a hp370, but since it was 4u they also wouldn't take that. |
| [21:15:38] | jams: | 2u or less |
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| [21:15:44] | Beirdo: | why $10k? |
| [21:15:49] | jams: | can't blame them for that i guess |
| [21:16:10] | Beirdo: | we bought new stuff at work for under $5k that I'm sure they'd take |
| [21:16:23] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: going OEM rather than building your own more or less doubles the price |
| [21:16:26] | Beirdo: | HP DL360 or DL160 :) |
| [21:16:51] | jams: | pretty sure they would take a 360 or 380 |
| [21:17:20] | stuartm: | well of course we'd asked that question _before_ buying ;) |
| [21:17:22] | Beirdo: | but that would require someone to buy one, of courese |
| [21:17:50] | stuartm: | which we can't really do, since we have no funds :) |
| [21:17:56] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [21:18:02] | Beirdo: | and I doubt HP would sponsor one |
| [21:18:13] | Beirdo: | (which is how this one came about) |
| [21:18:47] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: just rough guess, looked through it a couple days ago when someone was claiming mac pros were expensive |
| [21:19:15] | wagnerrp: | when for comparable hardware, theyre really right about the same point as dell, while the same hardware in pieces from newegg was about half |
| [21:19:39] | wagnerrp: | although that was for work stations, with graphics and a bunch of memory |
| [21:19:45] | wagnerrp: | far more than we would use |
| [21:20:09] | stuartm: | we've got a couple of guys working at Redhat, but I don't suppose they are in the business of handing out cash/hardware to anyone who asks |
| [21:20:20] | jams: | so wagnerrp according to the manual it has SMB but not ILM |
| [21:20:52] | jams: | Manufacturer: Supermicro Product Name: H8DA8/H8DAR |
| [21:21:11] | stuartm: | ah well, we'll just send osuosl a load of duck tape and hope they can nurse our current gear along ;) |
| [21:21:37] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [21:21:49] | stuartm: | s/duck/duct/ – duck being a brand name |
| [21:21:52] | Beirdo: | be nice if it would log why it's shutting down though |
| [21:23:23] | Beirdo: | like maybe we just need a different kernel, or some kernel options. Dunno |
| [21:24:53] | wagnerrp: | jams: http://www.amazon.com/Supermicro-AOC-SIMLP-B- . . . b/B000PYHHTI |
| [21:25:05] | wagnerrp: | listed as compatible with the "H8DA8–2" |
| [21:25:09] | wagnerrp: | dont know if that counts us though |
| [21:25:25] | jams: | probably not with that -2 |
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| [21:31:07] | wagnerrp: | slightly cheaper then... http://www.provantage.com/supermicro-aoc-lpip . . . 7SUPM0TK.htm |
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| [21:33:56] | stichnot_: | danielk22: I think that in the LiveTVChain class, pretty much all nonstatic methods that read or write an instance field should begin with "QMutexLocker lock(&m_lock);". Would you agree? |
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| [22:05:17] | jya: | stichnot_: last night, was watching liveTV, so an interesting movie I thought I would record: pressing Record made the frontend hang. I waited 30s or so and restarted the frontend. |
| [22:06:13] | stichnot_: | hmm. another thing to add to the testing. |
| [22:06:46] | jya: | can't think this ever happened in the past.. |
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| [22:11:03] | stichnot_: | jya: that was with reasonably up to date 0.25-fixes? |
| [22:18:30] | stichnot_: | I got fed up and just disabled the optimization that is at the root of all the attempted fixes to #10490. I'm thinking of syncing it with -fixes sooner rather than later. |
| [22:18:30] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10490 ** | |
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| [22:31:42] | jya: | stichnot_: it's 0.25-fixes with the two master backports |
| [22:32:09] | stichnot: | jya: ok, so that's effectively master as far as this is concerned |
| [22:32:38] | jya: | didn't add the last changes I see |
| [22:32:43] | jya: | comment 29 and 30 |
| [22:33:44] | jya: | is liveTV chain used on the backend or frontend ? |
| [22:33:49] | stichnot: | both |
| [22:34:34] | jya: | would the same instance of the class be accessed more than once at a time ? |
| [22:34:47] | jya: | (in reference to the locking you added) |
| [22:35:55] | stichnot: | yes. the ringbuffer readahead thread checks tvchain->HasNext() while the UI thread is updating it, I believe |
| [22:36:52] | stichnot: | note that locking on some methods was already there, I just completed the set |
| [22:39:05] | stichnot: | in the same commit, I removed the call to HasNext() so the extra locking is not needed for that, but the complete set of locking just seems like the right approach |
| [22:39:18] | jya: | ok.. Sorry I can't help you more, I haven't looked at the code there ever… for the time being all I can offer are reports / logs |
| [22:40:06] | stichnot: | thanks, I appreciate all the reports I can get |
| [22:40:37] | stichnot: | I'm getting a lot better at reading through "-v most --loglevel debug" logs :) |
| [22:41:07] | stichnot: | pretty soon I won't even have to watch TV, I can just absorb it like the Matrix via the logs |
| [22:42:11] | jya: | ahah |
| [22:43:14] | jya: | I have found mythtv programming much easier since I can now debug and trace the thing using a proper IDE (XCode on mac)... |
| [22:43:29] | jya: | the difference is night and day compare to only debugging by adding logs messages |
| [22:43:51] | stichnot: | yeah, I wish I could use Visual Studio on it |
| [22:44:33] | jya: | I believe you can… there's a visual studio project mockup that will build myth on windows |
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| [22:45:12] | stichnot: | but I'm not sure how well any debugger would work on the backend, with all the short timeouts and such |
| [22:47:10] | jya: | having said that, with the liveTV issues mostly related to timing, that won't help |
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| [22:50:56] | stichnot: | I'm just happy that excessive logging doesn't make the problem disappear |
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| [22:54:51] | stichnot: | I'm seeing too many random short pauses during playback (regular recordings, not necessarily live TV). That may be my next debugging project |
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