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| [01:34:09] | sphery: | stichnot: Hehe, within hours after removing MythVideo plugin, GreyFoxx reported slowness of his system, which led us to the same bug in MythNews ( https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/6f63367aa ). Guess no one who had only MythArchive and MythVideo (they are init'ed alphabetically on nearly all systems) was as attentive as GreyFoxx. |
| [01:34:17] | sphery: | We should probably do a scan for ActivateSettingsCache in all the plugins. I assumed the same typo/logic-o wouldn't happen twice, so didn't look at the other plugins when I fixed MythNews. I'll bet MythArchive was made by copying/changing MythNews, though, and it's possible others did, too... |
| [01:35:45] | sphery: | stichnot: and thanks for digging into it and finding that--even after having seen that issue before, the possibility never crossed my mind |
| [01:36:28] | stichnot: | ah, you're talking about a report from a year ago? |
| [01:36:48] | stichnot: | I did the "git grep ActivateSettingsCache" and now everything seems to be properly paired up. |
| [01:38:48] | sphery: | cool |
| [01:40:25] | sphery: | yeah, GreyFoxx caught the MythNews issue right after we removed MythVideo... On the bright side, though, MythVideo still exists in 0.24, and since nearly everyone has it installed, few would ever see the issue in 0.24 (i.e. they'd have to have only mytharchive installed) |
| [01:41:10] | sphery: | though it's possible on mac os, qt doesn't list plugins alphabetically, so might be more random on there... |
| [01:41:23] | sphery: | (on GNU/Linux it should always be alphabetical init) |
| [01:42:54] | stichnot: | I'm glad that we caught it now, since it would be much better hidden once we implement background loading of Watch Recordings |
| [01:48:03] | sphery: | yeah, and having a release go out with that version would be very disappointing--since too many people run the release version, so we'd have months of having to remember the issue for any potentially-related symptoms that users report, then get them to try out -fixes... |
| [01:49:05] | knightr__: | Hi! Can anybody review this so I can commit it? http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/2134655 Thank you! |
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| [02:39:04] | gigem: | knightr__: it looks fine to me. |
| [02:53:37] | knightr__: | gigem, Thank you! |
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| [08:00:16] | stuarta: | gak. freenode's new privacy policy sucks US government arse |
| [08:01:21] | stuarta: | honestly it shouldn't be considered a privacy policy |
| [08:01:29] | stuarta: | there is no privacy about it |
| [08:07:32] | stuartm: | stuarta: fool |
| [08:08:06] | ** stuarta hangs head in shame ** | |
| [08:08:38] | stuartm: | you weren't the only one to fall for it :) |
| [08:09:35] | stuarta: | it's far too early in the morning |
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| [08:12:06] | stuartm: | now I'm hoping the BBC story from yesterday was an April Fools, but sadly I know it's not going to be – http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17576745 |
| [08:13:09] | stuarta: | the thing is, that's very bloody hard to implement, at the traffic levels floating around in the london cores collecting, storing, and analyzing it is a bitch |
| [08:14:09] | stuarta: | haha. linx is hitting 1.2Tb/s peak every day |
| [08:14:34] | stuarta: | and that's just the traffic they can see |
| [08:15:24] | stuarta: | although easynet (aka sky) have already done it |
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| [13:49:16] | stuartm: | http://www.atlassian.com/irkd |
| [14:01:29] | stuarta: | haha |
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| [14:36:15] | skd5aner: | release been pushed officially? |
| [14:37:42] | skd5aner: | sorry – just saw the announce in on the ml |
| [14:44:01] | ** stuarta reads ml ** | |
| [14:44:27] | stuarta: | rc = release candidate |
| [14:45:00] | stuarta: | != release |
| [14:50:49] | skd5aner: | stuarta: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/510632 |
| [14:50:59] | skd5aner: | not sure what you're referring to in regards to the RC? |
| [14:51:49] | stuarta: | the parent message of those two, was 0.25-rc released |
| [14:52:34] | stuarta: | but anyway, as it says "April 9th" |
| [14:52:40] | stuarta: | which is next weekend |
| [14:53:00] | stuarta: | so a) it's not released b) therefore it can't have been pushed |
| [14:53:12] | skd5aner: | the anticipated date for release was today... |
| [14:53:21] | stuarta: | yes |
| [14:53:43] | stuarta: | s/next weekend/next monday |
| [14:54:01] | ** skd5aner feels like this is turning into a who's on first bit ** | |
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| [14:54:51] | ** stuarta suspects it may have been simpler to answer "no! ** | |
| [14:55:04] | skd5aner: | but, it has been pushed :) |
| [14:55:38] | stuarta: | there's no branch for it |
| [14:56:14] | skd5aner: | ok... is this a confussion over the word "pushed" ? |
| [14:56:20] | skd5aner: | "pushed" == delayed |
| [14:56:34] | stuarta: | ahah! |
| [14:56:40] | skd5aner: | clarity! :D |
| [14:56:41] | stuarta: | "pushed" == git push |
| [14:57:02] | skd5aner: | lol – we can all chuckle now – cause I was thinking "how is this getting /this/ confusing" |
| [14:57:05] | stuarta: | so for me, push = release |
| [14:57:13] | skd5aner: | yea, dual meaning in this case |
| [14:57:19] | skd5aner: | too "literal" |
| [14:57:33] | ** stuarta curses reading hex for a day job ** | |
| [14:57:59] | skd5aner: | :) |
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| [15:00:32] | skd5aner: | stuarta: if you can now imagine what I'm thinking as you were replying... "No", it hasn't been pushed – and "Next Monday".... :S |
| [15:00:49] | stuarta: | :) |
| [15:03:26] | skd5aner: | anyway – I guess it's relavent for me to bring up that the release notes have been up to date for a while – if anyone wants to polish anything prior to release, please feel free... |
| [15:04:06] | skd5aner: | I've gotten a little lazy on the translation section, but for the most part it's 90% there – and I usually make sure to add new langauge translations if they come up, but that's about the only place that might be lacking |
| [15:04:39] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: ... and the python section too... I kind of defer updating that section to you since so much of it is "under-the-covers" commits you make |
| [15:05:29] | wagnerrp: | i swear, you people always mention me the moment i sit down at the computer |
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| [15:06:03] | skd5aner: | "you people?!?!" – sounds like some form of internet racism |
| [15:06:06] | skd5aner: | ;) |
| [15:07:06] | wagnerrp: | yeah, "you people" who manage to ping me only when im actually around, and then claim im always around |
| [15:07:08] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [15:07:22] | wagnerrp: | under-the-covers? |
| [15:07:55] | ** stuarta gets out the pointy finger of doom ** | |
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| [15:56:08] | mrand: | skd5aner: you're missing a word "pushed OUT" = delayed. pushed = released |
| [15:56:14] | mrand: | :-) |
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| [16:18:25] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: yea – not really important directly to an end-user |
| [16:19:22] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [16:19:54] | wagnerrp: | well in this case, the 'end user' would be a programmer using the bindings |
| [16:20:15] | wagnerrp: | but youre correct, there havent been all that many changes to the external interface in 0.25 |
| [16:20:54] | wagnerrp: | only stuff that would affect people if they were digging deeper into it and interfacing with low level stuff |
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| [18:16:06] | devinheitmueller: | danielk22: ping |
| [18:16:25] | devinheitmueller: | danielk22: did you get all your questions answered satisfactorily on #linuxtv ? |
| [18:18:31] | danielk22: | devinheitmueller: yep. thanks |
| [18:18:40] | devinheitmueller: | great. |
| [18:20:31] | devinheitmueller: | I'll be the first to admit that the API is pretty inconsistent – between MPEG encoders, raw capture, and variations in behavior between drivers. |
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| [18:27:17] | stuartm: | stuarta: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tech/news/a374377 . . . -launch.html |
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| [18:40:40] | stuartm: | D-Book is as ever not free :( |
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| [18:47:31] | stuartm: | http://dtg.org.uk/publications/books.html – One or two interesting free bits to be found here all the same |
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| [19:54:53] | kenni: | skd5aner: IMHO, it would be perfectly fine if we just mentioned the name of the language in translation commits and in the release notes...I don't really think the current depth of information is useful to anyone. "German translation updated" should be sufficient IMHO, people who are interested in more details can just look at the list of changed files. |
| [19:55:23] | kenni: | knightr: ^ What do you think? |
| [19:57:17] | kenni: | The current approach just generates more work for all of us and doesn't have any real advantages |
| [19:58:59] | kenni: | skd5aner: Btw, thanks for working on the release notes, it looks good :) |
| [20:00:44] | skd5aner: | kenni: thanks! |
| [20:01:27] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: btw – I must have the same curse as you – I've been away from IRC for 4 hours, and just check in the minute someone calls my name... odd |
| [20:02:13] | skd5aner: | kenni: yea, I'm definitely refining the process each release to boil the information down into something easier to maintain and read |
| [20:02:24] | skd5aner: | kenni: I'll take your suggestion, thanks |
| [20:03:55] | skd5aner: | kenni: I will suggest, however, that we call out new translations explicitly, including components that may not have otherwise been translated previous – i.e., MythArchive never had a german translation, and somoene finally submits one... call that out |
| [20:04:25] | skd5aner: | (unless the component is entirely new itself – then obviously all translations for that release will be new for that component) |
| [20:06:22] | kenni: | skd5aner: Yep, that sounds reasonable. |
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| [20:42:55] | stuartm: | kenni, skd5aner: might be interesting to either reference the 'translation status' page or quote the completion figures directly, especially for those translations which have seen dramatic improvement |
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| [20:59:04] | skd5aner: | stuartm: yea, that was my plan |
| [20:59:07] | skd5aner: | :) |
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| [21:52:11] | Beirdo: | danielk22: I still need an ssh key from you for the git setup on alcor. |
| [21:54:45] | Beirdo: | and likely a few others too :) |
| [21:57:43] | stichnot: | Beirdo: you got mine, right? |
| [21:57:51] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [21:57:57] | stichnot: | cool |
| [21:58:01] | Beirdo: | just following up with why I actually have :) |
| [21:58:04] | Beirdo: | thanks. :) |
| [21:59:31] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: your seems to be missing too :) |
| [22:02:08] | Beirdo: | OK, hooked the new setup to report into firehose now (not commits yet) |
| [22:02:38] | Beirdo: | the mail format is the git default at this time, but I'm willing to tweak it once things settle a bit from the cutover |
| [22:03:02] | Beirdo: | I particularly *like* what it does for tags :) |
| [22:04:00] | Beirdo: | for groups of commits (pushes), we might want to tweak a bit for clarity, but it might just be a "hmm, this is different, but not necessarily worse or better" deal |
| [22:04:38] | Beirdo: | I like that it automatically dedupes and shows branch creation/deletion too |
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| [22:56:19] | danielk22: | Can someone with a HD-PVR setup test the latest master? I've made a commit to fix ivtv LiveTV, but I'm hoping it doesn't break HD-PVR LiveTV.... |
| [22:56:50] | danielk22: | Beirdo: my ssh key should be in ~danielk/.ssh/ ... |
| [22:57:30] | knightr: | kenni, skd5aner fine with it (ie only mentionning the the translation has been updated) |
| [22:58:12] | danielk22: | Beirdo: ~/danielk/.ssh/id_dsa.pub |
| [23:00:07] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: mine is in the same place |
| [23:00:46] | knightr: | skd5aner, kenni, we already do it at least partially (mention when something is new) see http://code.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/03fe0e1 . . . 926ed2a9431/ and https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/b4c92 . . . cdf6dc5c8012 ... |
| [23:00:47] | danielk22: | jpabq`: Are you still using a HD-PVR? Testing LiveTV with the latest master with the hdpvr and ivtv is really what's left before tagging the next RC... |
| [23:02:16] | Beirdo: | cool. Wasn't sure if you guys wanted to use those keys or others. I'll grab em. Thanks |
| [23:02:19] | knightr: | I chose some of mine because I could easily find them but kenni does it too as far as I remember... |
| [23:02:36] | Beirdo: | danielk22: I can try the livetv tonight as well if you need. |
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| [23:04:44] | danielk22: | Beirdo: great. I expect no problem with scheduled recordings, but might as well test those as well. |
| [23:07:26] | Beirdo: | OK. I'll need to update to current master, but that's not too hard. Maybe 3 or 4 days behind right now on the prod box |
| [23:07:59] | Beirdo: | might as well get that compiling now |
| [23:09:55] | Beirdo: | OK, your keys are in place :) |
| [23:10:19] | Beirdo: | Oh, two more in email. sweet |
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| [23:28:45] | stichnot: | danielk22: channel changing in live tv with hdpvr seems ok |
| [23:29:00] | stichnot: | waiting 2 minutes for a program transition point... |
| [23:31:33] | stichnot: | hmm... at program transition, it stuttered for a few seconds, then froze up for 30–40 seconds, then returned to the main menu with "video frame buffering failed too many times" |
| [23:32:16] | stichnot: | btw, I'm not positive, but I think that when live TV is started, the RECORDING_STARTED event script is run twice |
| [23:32:50] | stichnot: | (I have a script that automates turning closed captions on or off on the STB depending on the recording group) |
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| [23:56:25] | Beirdo: | stichnot: it will run once for a dummy recording that is used during tuning, then another event when it starts the real recording |
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