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| [00:21:21] | stichnot: | danielk221: new patch on #10194 uploaded with original gCC708Fonts behavior to be fixed later. |
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| [00:42:28] | MythBuild: | build #258 of master-osx-snow-leopard is complete: Failure [failed compile] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . d/builds/258 blamelist: Raymond Wagner <rwagner@mythtv.org > |
| [00:42:56] | wagnerrp: | aww |
| [00:49:55] | ** Seeker` blames wagnerrp ** | |
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| [00:50:31] | ** wagnerrp blames the anal retentive compiler on OSX ** | |
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| [00:50:49] | wagnerrp: | proper code smopper code |
| [00:52:25] | Beirdo: | hhe |
| [00:52:43] | wagnerrp: | even cppcheck didnt pick it up |
| [00:52:46] | wagnerrp: | whats with that |
| [01:04:42] | Beirdo: | still borked |
| [01:07:37] | wagnerrp: | do we have ifdefs around that code that would mean i was never actually compiling it? |
| [01:09:44] | Beirdo: | possibly |
| [01:09:54] | Beirdo: | oooh, yay, two fewer warnings. |
| [01:10:03] | Beirdo: | off to hunt down more |
| [01:10:13] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i was never actually building it due to lack of dns_sd |
| [01:10:32] | wagnerrp: | in all likelihood, none of the bots have it installed, except for the OSX one |
| [01:11:14] | Beirdo: | quite likely so |
| [01:12:10] | wagnerrp: | that would be... mdnsd? |
| [01:12:26] | Beirdo: | I think so |
| [01:13:11] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [01:14:50] | wagnerrp: | its part of avahi |
| [01:15:04] | Beirdo: | oooh |
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| [02:50:05] | danielk221: | stichnot: Not sure if it has something to do with the patch or not yet, but 608 captions are not readable, It looks like half the vertical lines have been removed.. |
| [02:54:44] | danielk221: | Looks like it's something in the patch.. will try to fix... |
| [02:57:54] | stichnot: | 608 captions are looking good on my TV. What do you see in the patch? |
| [02:58:40] | danielk221: | stichnot: With the patch it looks like the boldness has been removed and the vertical lines in the letters disappear. |
| [02:59:08] | danielk221: | But only with 608, 708 captions look good. |
| [03:00:09] | danielk221: | Hmm, but if I change isBold to true the fonts look too bold in 608.. |
| [03:01:57] | sphery: | danielk221: I think he changed which font is being used, perhaps you don't have the font? Didn't he change it to use OSDSubFont? |
| [03:02:07] | stichnot: | In the original code, boldness was never explicitly set or unset. With the patch, it is explicitly unset. |
| [03:02:22] | stichnot: | the cc608 and srt fonts should still be OSDSubFont |
| [03:04:07] | stichnot: | danielk221: which OSDSubFont are you using? I am using FreeMono and it looks fine |
| [03:06:08] | danielk221: | stichnot: ok, when I switch to FreeMono it works.. it's ugly, but readable. |
| [03:06:27] | sphery: | yeah, sorry, I didn't realize 608 was using osdsubfont, before |
| [03:06:35] | danielk221: | I tried a few different fonts, I'm unsure what I had originialy. |
| [03:07:07] | danielk221: | What is 708 using as it's sans font, that looks much better... |
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| [03:08:10] | danielk221: | Looks like it is "Droid Sans Mono" |
| [03:10:55] | sphery: | Default for OSDSubFont is FreeSans (though the combobox breakage since qt4 port in setup that causes any dynamically populated combo to take the first item in the list may have resulted in strange defaults for some users) |
| [03:11:55] | danielk221: | sphery: "Droid Sans Mono" looks much better, any compelling reason to use FreeSans or FreeMono ? |
| [03:12:21] | dblain: | wagnerrp: regarding you question about upnp... Back when I wrote it 3+ years ago, the resource urls would point to the backend that hosted the video. Not sure if it has been changed. |
| [03:13:10] | sphery: | but when you hard coded the 708 caption fonts definitions after the mythui osd conversion (because we didn't realize that mythui conversion changed the meaning of the font settings such that we needed font names versus ttf font file names), you picked Droid Sans Mono for the default 708 font |
| [03:13:31] | sphery: | we could use Droid if you want as a default, but would need to actually ship it with mythtv |
| [03:14:52] | sphery: | since few people have it installed/know how to find it... all it would take is adding the ttf file to themes/fonts directory (assuming license allows) |
| [03:14:54] | danielk221: | stichnot: It appears that we need to exit the frontend and re-enter it to reset the fonts.. but I think that's probably related to gCC708Fonts, not really caused by the patch. |
| [03:16:35] | danielk221: | sphery: It's a free font available on all the distro's, but there is little harm in sticking it in theme/fonts and it should help windows/osx users; other than our version might get out of date over time. |
| [03:16:44] | stichnot: | yeah, that was just dawning on me |
| [03:17:10] | sphery: | well, didn't Google switch to a different font for Android 4.x? So maybe we won't get out of date :) |
| [03:18:41] | stichnot: | danielk221: do you want another version of the patch that re-initializes the fonts if OSDSubFont changes? |
| [03:19:32] | danielk221: | sphery: Heh, and more than likely debian will rename the font when they add other languages too it anyway :) "DejaVu2" maybe? |
| [03:20:58] | sphery: | hehe... so, turns out the new font is Roboto--main non-artistic difference is that it was designed in house at Google, so doesn't suffer from NIH |
| [03:21:19] | stichnot: | danielk221: or just fix the whole static/global "bug" later? |
| [03:23:05] | danielk221: | Let's just fix that later. I'll apply this as is. |
| [03:23:42] | stichnot: | ok |
| [03:25:58] | sphery: | stichnot: fwiw, my patch to allow using the whole mythui font definitions has a start on the fix for that--that's actually the part I haven't finished, which is why I hadn't pushed it |
| [03:26:01] | danielk221: | sphery: We should probably include all the 708 caption fonts not just the droid ones + banish FreeSans/FreeMono. |
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| [03:26:49] | sphery: | yeah, makes sense to include them... and I think you've used several of them in mythcenter-wide, too, right? so even if not in themes/fonts, they should be in themes/mythcenter-wide |
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| [03:27:24] | sphery: | I've seen a lot of users of mythcenter-wide who end up with a DejaVu Sans, instead of Droid Sans, and things don't fit |
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| [03:27:47] | stichnot: | sphery: I'd like to talk (later) about how we should control user and/or theme overrides of fonts and attributes. |
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| [03:28:26] | sphery: | (as far as MythCenter-wide goes, any theme-specific fonts can be in any directory under the theme dir) |
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| [03:29:10] | sphery: | stichnot: yeah, I'd like to talk some to figure out how our plans for changes fit |
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| [03:31:34] | stichnot: | sphery: danielk221: where to hold cc font discussions? Here, the dev list, or elsewhere? |
| [03:41:41] | sphery: | anywhere is fine with me, but tonight's not good :) |
| [03:44:32] | stichnot: | no, I'm thinking more like April :) |
| [03:50:48] | sphery: | hehe, yeah, much better time for that |
| [04:01:18] | danielk221: | stichnot: here, tomorrow :) |
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| [04:10:31] | wagnerrp: | dblain: thanks, although to be completely honest, i dont recall what my train of thought was at the time i asked |
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| [04:41:03] | Beirdo: | now if we could get QDBus to stop whining. |
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| [11:02:22] | stuartm: | if there is a font which looks good for subtitles/CC then we should definitely ship it as part of mythtv, make it the default and even think seriously about switching existing installs over to use it instead of whatever random font they might have got in the past |
| [11:04:50] | stuartm: | on a related subject, I happened to see some teletext subtitles on an HD source recently, kerning was badly wrong but it wasn't the font, the character width/spacing calculations appeared to be wrong with some characters overlapping those adjacent to them |
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| [11:05:12] | stuartm: | are we using different rendering routines for each subtitle/CC type? |
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| [11:08:55] | stuartm: | it looks like we're assuming a fixed width font, each character is rendered individually with fixed spacing rather than rendering the entire string? |
| [11:11:28] | stuartm: | http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/subtitle_spacing.jpeg << w and m are clipped, narrow characters such as t, i, r j and l are spaced too far from their neighbours |
| [11:12:39] | stuartm: | maybe it is the font if Teletext expects a mono font, in which case we shouldn't allow the selection of a non-mono font |
| [11:14:57] | stuartm: | they also seem to be rendered much too large for HD but I have no basis for comparison |
| [11:18:40] | stuarta: | i would expect a mono font would be used for Teletext/CC |
| [11:18:48] | stuarta: | that's the way it's always looked onscreen |
| [11:20:23] | stuartm: | yeah, I can't remember clearly, it's been so long since I've seen TT subtitles |
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| [11:43:05] | stuartm: | for size comparison purposes, here are DVB subs at the same resolution – http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/dvb_subtitles_HD.jpeg |
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| [11:43:51] | stuartm: | I don't know that TT subs should be the exactly same size as the DVB subs, but I'm pretty sure the TT subs shouldn't be twice as big |
| [11:45:07] | stuartm: | we need someone with a Freesat TV (ITV HD) to do some comparisons against Myth |
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| [13:11:30] | danielk221: | Both 608 and teletext require fixed width characters, but 708 rendering should work with both fixed and variable width characters. I know we support image based DVB subs, but AFAIK we don't support the text based ones, so you would have been seeing old fashioned teletext subtitles. |
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| [13:17:39] | stuartm: | yeah, I think I said that these are teletext subs |
| [13:18:27] | stuartm: | at least in the first image, the second image are DVB subs |
| [13:19:00] | stuartm: | I'll need to find some specs, but I'm convinced those teletext (TT) subs are being rendered too large |
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| [13:29:18] | stuartm: | danielk221: on a different subject, would it violate the spirit of the feature freeze to commit one-line additions in a couple of places to allow new statetypes? I've started work on a new theme but I realised too late that it depends on new statetypes that I forgot to commit earlier |
| [13:29:25] | stuartm: | an example being http://pastebin.com/aSvY2Nh8 |
| [13:30:25] | ** stuarta votes go for it ** | |
| [13:37:13] | danielk221: | yeah it violates the spirit, but you can always ask for an exception. Write up the code and ask for objections tonight and if there are none by tomorrow morning.. |
| [13:37:57] | stuarta: | wagnerrp: you going to fix the osx build? |
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| [13:40:35] | stuarta: | more to the point, why have we suddenly decided to treat ipv6 backend ip address differently? |
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| [13:53:24] | stuarta: | wagnerrp: you missed at ';' in mythraopconnection.cpp:157 the return is statement is missing it. |
| [13:56:43] | seeker: | stuarta: Do you have any iOS devices? |
| [13:56:52] | stuarta: | nope |
| [13:57:25] | ** seeker has probably asked you that before ** | |
| [13:57:59] | stuarta: | not that i know of :) |
| [13:58:28] | seeker: | Ah, good, your memory is as bad as mine :) |
| [13:58:52] | stuarta: | terrible! |
| [13:59:02] | seeker: | Pretty much |
| [14:01:52] | seeker: | wagnerrp: I'll try and play with the RAOP stuff tonight, if I get a chance. Likely to be busy until 11pm though |
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| [14:14:38] | stuartm: | what would people guess the following icon represents? http://www.iconfinder.com/ajax/download/png/?id=47977&s=128 (trying to decide whether I use something similar in a theme, or whether people won't know what it means) |
| [14:17:30] | seeker: | Database, or set of drives |
| [14:18:00] | seeker: | (what do I win if I'm right?) |
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| [14:23:55] | xavierh: | stuartm: Storage ? |
| [14:26:36] | stuartm: | it's labelled as both storage and/or database on their site, storage was what I want to represent |
| [14:29:41] | stuartm: | this might be the wrong group to ask though, it's got to be obvious to an inexperienced user too :) |
| [14:30:33] | seeker: | stuartm: I'll ask my girlfriend when I get home |
| [14:31:18] | stuartm: | only alternative I can think of that would render in the simple style of the theme is a folder icon, which I'm starting to lean towards, but even there I'd have to combine it with some text to give it more context |
| [14:31:52] | seeker: | Either that or a picture of a hard drive maybe? |
| [14:32:46] | stichnot: | stuartm: I'd love to get a pointer to a teletext cc sample for testing. |
| [14:34:08] | stuartm: | I'd excluded a hard drive icon as too complicated for the styling I'm using, although I could try a simple line drawing and see if it's recognisable as a drive |
| [14:34:19] | stuartm: | stichnot: I'll make something available |
| [14:34:29] | stichnot: | thanks. |
| [14:34:30] | stuartm: | tonight |
| [14:36:19] | seeker: | "Something to do with playing dvds or blue rays" (from my girlfriend via SMS) |
| [14:39:40] | stichnot: | anyone know why commit 37385baff83eea77116d13e22be96b74cfde2cec ("Split BackendServerIP into v4 and v6. Implement server pools.') triggered mythtv-commits email on 4 tickets but none on the commit itself? |
| [14:42:38] | seeker: | stuartm: do you have an idea about how to animate button lists already? |
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| [15:06:15] | xavierh: | stuart, I have done setEnabled/isEnabled for a MythUIButtonListItem, as I need this for audio setting. I am trying to test with grid layout to check that the disable/enable works properly. I set the layout t grid in the theme file, how do I specify the number of column ? |
| [15:06:25] | xavierh: | stuartm: ^^ |
| [15:11:55] | stuartm: | xavierh: the number of columns/rows is determined by the amount of space available (buttonarea) and the defined size of each button (buttonitem) |
| [15:12:09] | stuartm: | and <spacing> |
| [15:13:06] | stuartm: | i.e. a button area with width of 600px, and button item of width 50px and a spacing of 10px would produce 10 columns |
| [15:14:40] | xavierh: | stuartm: thx |
| [15:15:14] | stuartm: | it's the same as we do to determine the number of rows in a vertical list |
| [15:15:39] | xavierh: | stuartm: don't make me feel stupid to ask :) |
| [15:17:07] | seeker: | xavierh: Stuartm likes being patronising :P |
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| [15:21:28] | wagnerrp: | stuarta: before i can fix the OSX build, ive got to get the dns_sd stuff working locally in the first place |
| [15:21:44] | stuarta: | ok |
| [15:22:01] | wagnerrp: | the OSX bot is the only one failing, because it is the only one with the necessary dependencies to try to compile the raop stuff in the first place |
| [15:22:24] | wagnerrp: | which is the reason i didnt notice it didnt compile before pushing it |
| [15:22:32] | stuarta: | that would make sense, since it's an apple product |
| [15:23:14] | stuarta: | the alternative is the somewhat slower, commit fix, wait for buildbot |
| [15:23:21] | wagnerrp: | i tried installing avahi, which offers a dns_sd.h |
| [15:23:26] | stuarta: | rinse, repeat |
| [15:23:42] | wagnerrp: | but that introduced a number of other problems with compiling, before it even got to my stuff |
| [15:24:11] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i did one or two commits that way at first before i realized what happened |
| [15:24:31] | wagnerrp: | decided to try to get it working locally rather than unnecessarily load up the build system like that |
| [15:26:18] | wagnerrp: | seeker: no sense bothering with testing it until it actually builds in the first place |
| [15:26:27] | wagnerrp: | thanks though |
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| [15:27:43] | seeker: | wagnerrp: Heh, let me know when you'd like me to take a stab at building/running it |
| [15:28:21] | wagnerrp: | seeker: whenever the OSX bot starts working |
| [15:28:37] | wagnerrp: | on that note, what OS are you using that on? |
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| [15:29:12] | seeker: | Ubuntu |
| [15:29:36] | wagnerrp: | didnt have to do anything special to get it compiling? |
| [15:30:51] | seeker: | Installed the package I needed for dns_sd and OpenSSL-dev (I think) |
| [15:34:29] | wagnerrp: | im having to manually force -I/usr/local/include/avahi-compat-libdns_sd to get it to even attempt compiling, and that just doesnt seem correct |
| [15:36:08] | seeker: | Libavahi-compat-libdnssd-dev |
| [15:37:28] | seeker: | That's the name of the package I had to install |
| [15:38:14] | wagnerrp: | sounds about right, but when i use that, the compile craps out very early, on mythtv/libs/libmythbase/bonjourregister.cpp |
| [15:38:35] | seeker: | I think that's a very new file |
| [15:38:43] | seeker: | Ah, hmm |
| [15:39:11] | seeker: | Sorry, trying to debug pixel shader code at work at the same |
| [15:39:12] | seeker: | Time |
| [15:39:29] | wagnerrp: | where OSX doesnt fail until in libmythtv/mythraopconnection.cpp |
| [15:39:33] | seeker: | What does it fail on in that file? |
| [15:39:45] | stuarta: | it's missing a return |
| [15:39:48] | stuarta: | er ; |
| [15:39:54] | wagnerrp: | real basic stuff |
| [15:40:16] | wagnerrp: | oh, scratch that |
| [15:40:41] | wagnerrp: | looks like configure is picking up the include, but for some reason the actual compile isnt |
| [15:40:58] | wagnerrp: | its complaining it cant find dns_sd.h in the first place |
| [15:41:03] | wagnerrp: | hmm |
| [15:41:08] | stuarta: | seeker: http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . d/builds/259 and looks at the stdio for the compile |
| [15:42:24] | wagnerrp: | my extra -I isnt getting passed on to the Makefile |
| [15:44:34] | seeker: | wagnerrp: I don't need to pass extra -l's on my ubuntu machine to get it to compile |
| [15:44:57] | stuarta: | wagnerrp: what you building this on? |
| [15:45:05] | wagnerrp: | freebsd |
| [15:46:53] | wagnerrp: | ah, thats the problem |
| [15:47:04] | wagnerrp: | i was adding it to --extra-cflags, which made configure run |
| [15:47:15] | wagnerrp: | but the compiler wanted it in --extra-cxxflags |
| [15:47:27] | wagnerrp: | heh, except that makes configure unhappy |
| [15:47:27] | stuarta: | joy |
| [15:47:29] | wagnerrp: | fun |
| [15:47:49] | ** stuarta zzzz's waiting for osx to build ** | |
| [15:49:11] | wagnerrp: | i need to look through decke's freebsd port to see what hes doing to bypass this include mess |
| [15:51:02] | davide: | stuartm: if you're still looking for a storage icon, how about a file cabinet? |
| [15:54:24] | stuartm: | davide: thanks, I'll see how that looks, I've still got a file cabinet icon I drew for another theme which I'd forgotten about |
| [15:56:01] | seeker: | stuarta: Which os are you building on? |
| [15:56:40] | wagnerrp: | seeker: the osx buildbot |
| [15:56:50] | ** stuarta runs the osx buildbot ** | |
| [15:57:29] | stuarta: | since it's the one blowing up, i'm manually building to see where it barfs and verify if it's only a missing ';' |
| [15:58:18] | seeker: | Was the latest osx ever fixed? Last time I tried building on my MacBook it hated QT |
| [16:00:02] | wagnerrp: | stuarta: do you know what it takes to update the config for one of the buildbots? |
| [16:00:05] | stuarta: | i've been delayed on that front by DY |
| [16:00:08] | stuarta: | er DIY |
| [16:00:28] | wagnerrp: | i.e. give configure the proper flags to use dns_sd |
| [16:00:29] | stuarta: | wagnerrp: not much, it's pretty easy |
| [16:00:40] | wagnerrp: | specifically, is that something i can push from my end |
| [16:00:49] | stuarta: | no you can't push it |
| [16:00:50] | wagnerrp: | or does a config file on the server need to be changed |
| [16:01:06] | stuarta: | yes, a config file |
| [16:01:25] | stuarta: | you can change it in the relevant file in extras repo |
| [16:01:38] | xavierh: | Was testing enabled/disabled item in a button list, I am not to sure the behaviour is correct (prior enable/disable). I I have a list in a grid of 3 column, the 6th item (3rd col) is select and I press the down key, I was expecting to select the 3rd item (3rd col), but the 7th is selected (1st col). is it normal ? |
| [16:01:42] | stuarta: | and myself or Beirdo can put it in place |
| [16:01:58] | stuarta: | anyone with access to the server for that matter |
| [16:02:06] | skd5aner: | Seeker: you don't have to have an iOS device, you can use iTunes to connect to ROAP |
| [16:02:11] | skd5aner: | RAOP |
| [16:02:28] | wagnerrp: | ok, i think im actually going to start from a fresh install |
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| [16:02:33] | seeker: | skd5aner: I haven't managed to get iTunes to connect to it and work yet |
| [16:02:48] | seeker: | skd5aner: Just sits there for a second then disconnects |
| [16:03:03] | stuartm: | am I going crazy, or is there no way to display the channel icon in PBB? I was sure that someone would have added that back in after the mythui port |
| [16:03:16] | seeker: | PBB? |
| [16:03:21] | wagnerrp: | that buildslave is running on an old fbsd8 install, rather than fbsd9 |
| [16:03:30] | wagnerrp: | playbackbox, "Watch Recordings" |
| [16:03:40] | skd5aner: | ahh – I haven't tried, just saying I use iTunes to feed myairport express |
| [16:03:43] | wagnerrp: | internalspeak |
| [16:08:50] | wagnerrp: | stuarta: that should do it |
| [16:09:48] | stuarta: | i'm still waiting for my base build :( |
| [16:09:57] | seeker: | skd5aner: I would be interested to hear it it works for you |
| [16:12:06] | skd5aner: | seeker: still running 0.24-fixes for production and don't have a dev environment currently set up :/ |
| [16:15:09] | seeker: | Tsk tsk tsk :P |
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| [16:34:20] | seeker: | wagnerrp: Get it working? |
| [16:34:39] | wagnerrp: | got it compiling, dont know about working |
| [16:37:44] | seeker: | I'll try it out tonight then, time permitting |
| [16:51:19] | seeker: | wagnerrp: If you don't want to wait for me, something like raop-play.sourceforge.net might be useful |
| [16:51:42] | wagnerrp: | noted, thanks |
| [16:54:17] | skd5aner: | stuartm: quick Q about the standby screen – will the main menu have a "time-out" feature to go to the standy-mode screen if it hasn't been used in a certain amount of time? Or does the user always have to manually enter that screen? |
| [16:54:44] | MythBuild: | build #268 of master-osx-snow-leopard is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . d/builds/268 |
| [16:54:55] | stuarta: | \o/ |
| [16:55:09] | seeker: | \o/ |
| [16:55:29] | stuartm: | skd5aner: I was thinking the former, once I've added the jumppoint for standby mode it will be called when the idle timer runs out |
| [16:56:06] | skd5aner: | stuartm: awesome... nice feature btw – will this play nicely with combined mfe/sbe ? |
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| [16:58:08] | stuartm: | skd5aner: it should play just fine, that's the setup I tested it on, a lot depends on how you've configured the machine – i.e. whether to shutdown when idle or not |
| [17:00:12] | stuartm: | if it's not configured to shutdown at all then 'standby mode' doesn't do anything useful at all ... |
| [17:00:13] | skd5aner: | cool – I can't remember the specifics, but the last time I tried to play with mythwelcome/mythshutdown it wouldn't work well in my case where a FE/SBE combo existed |
| [17:01:16] | stuartm: | skd5aner: yeah, that's what I have here and I didn't like the idea of training people to exit the frontend when they were finished just so the machine could shut down |
| [17:03:18] | skd5aner: | yea – cool... thanks! |
| [17:03:30] | stuartm: | skd5aner: actually, I should clarify my first answer, the frontend will still enter standby mode whether or not the standby screen is displayed, the standby screen is just a visual indication that we're in that state |
| [17:04:11] | skd5aner: | gotcha... makes sence – looking at the committed code now |
| [17:04:19] | stuartm: | some people prefer that and it's more or less a requirement if you're going to manually enter that state |
| [17:04:44] | skd5aner: | yea – I think it makes sense to have some kind of visual cue |
| [17:05:14] | skd5aner: | you could have a screen that simply reads... "SHHHHHHHhhhhhhhh.... mythtv is sleeping, don't wake the baby" |
| [17:05:20] | skd5aner: | ;) |
| [17:05:34] | stuartm: | with the 'manual' mode we won't exit standby automatically on activity, but we do that otherwise for the 'automatic' mode |
| [17:05:58] | stuartm: | skd5aner: I'll leave the themers to be creative and cute ;) |
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| [17:07:42] | stuartm: | I'll be binding the standby mode to the power button on my remote, if only because I've had no use for the power button until now :) |
| [17:08:33] | skd5aner: | yea, exactly – very easy for me to do as well |
| [17:09:17] | skd5aner: | you haven't created the jumppoint yet? |
| [17:11:38] | stuartm: | no, not yet |
| [17:11:46] | superm1: | so has feature freeze actually happened? I just saw the announcement that it should have happened Sunday night. we were planning to do a 0.25 upload to the ubuntu development version before ubuntu feature freeze as long as yall were sticking to the schedule that danielk221 outlined |
| [17:12:03] | skd5aner: | stuartm: np – just asking as I try to explicitly list all new keybindings in the release notes |
| [17:12:24] | danielk221: | superm1: Yes, we're in freeze. |
| [17:12:33] | seeker: | superm1: I believe it is now (mostly) in effect |
| [17:12:58] | seeker: | One or two things have an 'exemption' I think |
| [17:13:05] | superm1: | oh what are those? |
| [17:13:28] | stuartm: | skd5aner: the feature isn't exactly finished to the same specification as I planned, but with the feature freeze about to start I wanted to get as much of the functionality in as possible |
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| [17:14:16] | seeker: | I think there was something about state types that aren't exposed properly, and something else which I forget |
| [17:14:53] | stuartm: | superm1: nothing major, but anything released now should be tagged as alpha and not beta |
| [17:15:42] | stuartm: | first beta won't be until 4th March |
| [17:15:45] | stuarta: | btw. if anyone thinks they can fix any of my tickets please do, i'm not going to get a chance to look at them for ages. |
| [17:16:11] | superm1: | stuartm: right. what we're planning was to do a few more uploads to ubuntu before ubuntu release, and in case the schedule slipped we'll be shipping a beta again at release (and need to update over the web to SRU), but hopefully be shipping final |
| [17:16:14] | seeker: | stuarta: Any interesting ones? :P |
| [17:16:25] | stuarta: | no idea, not even looked in months |
| [17:16:35] | stuarta: | mainly eit stuff |
| [17:17:44] | seeker: | The code to do with DVB tables scares me |
| [17:17:56] | stuarta: | dvb tables are easy |
| [17:18:30] | stuarta: | it's the code that relates to re-assembly of mpeg packets that's nasty |
| [17:18:40] | stuartm: | superm1: are you still unable to get updated packages in the official repo after the ubuntu release? (all updates including point released currently come from the PPA) |
| [17:18:41] | ** seeker may pester stuartm for some more tasks later this week ** | |
| [17:19:14] | superm1: | stuartm: we should be able to get an update to the final version if necessary in the official repo |
| [17:19:23] | superm1: | it's just a very manual process |
| [17:19:31] | superm1: | and requires lots of testing and coordination |
| [17:21:04] | seeker: | stuarta: I've found the UI code easier to get my head round |
| [17:21:05] | stuartm: | hmm, sucky, I'd love to see stable branch point releases (at a minimum) get pushed as updates |
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| [17:23:20] | superm1: | stuartm: well since we're only going to be doing ubuntu LTS going forward, we might be able to drum up more people to help with the testing of the packages. that's the big problem every time |
| [17:28:16] | stuarta: | superm1: only doing mythbuntu based on LTS? |
| [17:28:26] | superm1: | stuarta: that's the plan going forward |
| [17:28:43] | stuarta: | makes sense, we should make sure we have an LTS buildslave |
| [17:28:45] | superm1: | we'll still do the PPAs and stuff for the interim releases, but no CDs at all the interim releases |
| [17:28:49] | stuarta: | i think beirdo has one |
| [17:29:19] | superm1: | it should be possible to just set up and do from a chroot if you don't want to set up another box too i suspect |
| [17:30:29] | stuarta: | i have plans to upgrade my main server, so it'll fit a couple of VMs on it |
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| [17:31:20] | mrand: | stuartm, a couple hours late, and probably not telling you anything you don't already know, but a square (3.5" disk) appears to be the most widely used to represent a disk by all big name software... I suspect they've done plenty of usability studies to come to the conclusion that it is the most recognizable. A small circle within a big circle (top down view of a disk platter or CD-ROM) is probably second most common. A semi-3d picture of a single drive |
| [17:31:21] | mrand: | I believe a stacked disk icon is more used for databases and the like, although if that if the only choice, users will figure it out quickly. |
| [17:31:23] | stuartm: | LTS is every second release? |
| [17:31:30] | tgm4883: | every 2 years |
| [17:31:35] | superm1: | stuartm: it's every 4 releases (2 years) |
| [17:31:40] | tgm4883: | April of every even year |
| [17:31:50] | superm1: | ubuntu is also doing this fancy thing where they'll be doing an X backports and kernel backports available at LTS point releases |
| [17:32:02] | superm1: | so people with new hardware can potentially run LTS releases too |
| [17:32:09] | superm1: | we'll see how that actually works out though |
| [17:35:43] | stuartm: | having berated people in the past for basing a media centre on CentOS where everything (kernel/libs) are just too old it will be interesting to see how this works out |
| [17:36:05] | xavierh: | jpabq: I used you trick with area of 0,0,0,0 in a stacked list when an item is disabled. The only problem with this technic is that the spacing is still present |
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| [17:36:56] | stuartm: | xavierh: you don't want it to show at all? |
| [17:37:51] | stuartm: | if that's the case then I'd skip 'disabled' buttons in SetToRealButton()? |
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| [17:40:56] | xavierh: | stuartm: just experimenting, I believe it could be up to the themer |
| [17:43:17] | xavierh: | If we wanted a flat list for the setting, we could do the way xine does i.e. having different level of setting (basic, advanced, poweruser ...), and the using adding setVisibile/isVisible in mythuibuttonlistitem, depending of the level the user choose |
| [17:43:47] | xavierh: | s/and the using adding/and adding |
| [17:45:17] | xavierh: | So the visibility of a setting would be depending of the depth the user choose (basic , advanced ...), buit still have disable/enable |
| [17:45:27] | xavierh: | s/buit/but |
| [17:46:35] | xavierh: | stuartm:does it make sense ? |
| [17:48:23] | xavierh: | The way I was doing before the audiosetting, is to have sub setting depending the value of the parent setting, but for the audio setting it would have look odd as we would have add only i setting in the list, and a lot of subsetting |
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| [17:52:42] | danielk221: | stuartm: The only time I've actually had a problem running the latest MythTV trunk with the latest Ubuntu LTS is with the python scripts or with new hardware that needed a newer kernel. In general we don't drop an API until 2 years after major distros do so it's only the occasional new thing that doesn't work. |
| [17:56:44] | danielk221: | Of course I probably won't run Ubuntu much longer since I run Kubuntu and they just let go of their last paid KDE developer... I'll upgrade to the next LTS and see how it is, but after that, I dunno. |
| [17:57:42] | skd5aner: | danielk221: for a mythtv only scenario, why care about kde/gnome? |
| [17:58:25] | skd5aner: | danielk221: I actually run the server edition, since it doesn't come pre-loaded with much beyond the basics and only add what I need to run |
| [18:00:48] | skd5aner: | heck, it doesn't even come loaded with X :) |
| [18:01:24] | Seeker`: | wagnerrp: left work early because my blood sugar is through the roof, so I'll kick off a build now |
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| [18:02:38] | Seeker`: | and then I'll go find a hole to go and curl up in |
| [18:04:51] | wagnerrp: | Seeker`: hold off a bit |
| [18:05:07] | wagnerrp: | i noticed some thing in the logs claiming bonjour failed to set up |
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| [18:05:26] | Seeker`: | wagnerrp: thinking about it, my DB version on my main backend will be out of date |
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| [18:05:37] | Seeker`: | compared to the frontend version |
| [18:07:48] | ** Seeker` hacks out DB version check ** | |
| [18:14:53] | stuartm: | danielk221: it's mostly the versions of external libs which bothers me, e.g. something like Taglib or QT where we really want the latest version for the new features but older or 'stable' distros don't have it |
| [18:17:52] | Seeker`: | wagnerrp: music works fine here. Not tried video yet. |
| [18:17:53] | stuartm: | driver support and driver bug fixes are also pretty important for a MythTV install |
| [18:19:23] | stuartm: | Seeker`: how does that work then, do we enter playback when music is streamed? |
| [18:19:40] | stuartm: | or just it magically just get piped out the speakers? |
| [18:19:54] | Seeker`: | stuartm: magically piped out of the speakers |
| [18:20:05] | Seeker`: | airplay gets you a proper playback window |
| [18:20:26] | Seeker`: | (airplay being video. WHich I haven't tested yet) |
| [18:20:39] | stuartm: | hmm, so it's more of a proof of concept than a real feature |
| [18:21:08] | Seeker`: | well, it works, it just doesn't have a proper ui |
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| [18:23:07] | Seeker`: | hmm, airplay server isn't showing up atm |
| [18:24:17] | stuartm: | a proper UI is fundamental no? Some way to know what is happening, to control volume or stop/refuse playback from the TV end (otherwise it's a practical jokers dream, sit somewhere else inside or even outside the house playing whatever they want through your TVs speakers) |
| [18:25:26] | Seeker`: | stuartm: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10310 |
| [18:27:29] | Seeker`: | stuartm: only dev that seems willing to touch the RAOP code is iamlindoro, and I've got a couple of patches waiting on him now |
| [18:28:41] | Seeker`: | hence why I've resorted to asking devs "what do you actually want done", in the hope that it will result in the effort being used in a somewhat timely manner :P |
| [18:30:44] | Seeker`: | wagnerrp: RAOP works for me, Airplay seems capable of making a connection occasionally, playback still sucks fo me though – AFAICT it has the same functionality as it did before you made your changes |
| [18:31:00] | wagnerrp: | occasionally? |
| [18:32:03] | stuartm: | odd, sudden rash of addresses being unsubscribed from the -theming list because of excessive bounces |
| [18:32:04] | Beirdo: | stuarta: my backend is 10.04.2 LTS, but with a couple things hand upgraded |
| [18:32:21] | Seeker`: | wagnerrp: doesn't always show up in the list on other devices. When it does show up on the list it will sometimes just sit there and not actually work. Have currently got 'Wheels' by Foo Fights playing from my iphone on my desktop monitor though |
| [18:32:32] | Beirdo: | most notably libx64 |
| [18:32:43] | wagnerrp: | Seeker`: is that different from before? |
| [18:33:31] | Seeker`: | wagnerrp: Hadn't tried this video, but a general 'tempermental with occasional good playback' would accurately describe the behaviour I was seeing before your changes |
| [18:33:50] | Seeker`: | and would also describe what I am seeing now |
| [18:34:43] | Seeker`: | wagnerrp: I think RAOP might have a problem with ipv6 |
| [18:37:53] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [18:38:37] | wagnerrp: | seems a common problem |
| [18:38:58] | wagnerrp: | well the serverpool is supposed to be set up to listen on both ipv4 and ipv6 |
| [18:39:12] | wagnerrp: | so unless its sending the wrong IP address to clients... |
| [18:39:58] | Seeker`: | well, you were saying you were having problems with the Bonjour startup, that might be it? |
| [18:40:20] | sphery: | stichnot: Shortest answer to the "why are we missing e-mails on some commits" question is "because github sucks" :) For some commits, github never seems to make a connection to our server to tell it what happened. This seems most common when a developer pushes multiple commits simultaneously. I'm hoping that when we get switched back to our own server, we'll make a git repo on mythtv.org the origin for the github repo... github would then ... |
| [18:40:26] | sphery: | ... just be a "public face" that users could use to download/view and it would just receive updates from our repo. That way we could actually trigger off the push as opposed to a github connection telling us about the push. |
| [18:41:15] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: where would I go about setting the IPv6 separately now? |
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| [18:41:38] | danielk221: | sphery: git has the same kind of script hooks that svn has, we should be able to copy over our old hooks... |
| [18:41:49] | Beirdo: | other than going into the db manually, of course |
| [18:42:12] | Beirdo: | danielk221: yup, we will be able to do our own hooks, which we really can't on github :( |
| [18:42:15] | danielk221: | I should clarify, once we run our own git server.. |
| [18:42:20] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [18:42:31] | Seeker`: | wagnerrp: pastebin.com/yEfjQwQ7 |
| [18:42:35] | sphery: | yeah, that's why I want the main repo to move to our server |
| [18:42:42] | Beirdo: | I like the concept of their hooks |
| [18:42:53] | Beirdo: | but they just don't work right |
| [18:43:12] | Seeker`: | Thats my macbook pro connecting from itunes, then disconnecting straight away (cant work out why) |
| [18:43:15] | Beirdo: | it's likely in how they queue the hook requests from all the projects or something like that |
| [18:43:25] | Beirdo: | which we won't have to do |
| [18:43:38] | wagnerrp: | Seeker`: im failing out, unable to register the service |
| [18:43:44] | wagnerrp: | im guessing its a system configuration issue |
| [18:46:15] | stichnot: | sphery: thanks for the info. My email filter failed to notify me of a checkin involving dbcheck.cpp, so I found myself in a situation where I couldn't start the frontend until the backend upgraded the DB, and I {c,w}ouldn't restart the backend until the current recording finished. picked up some bad waf there... |
| [18:47:20] | Seeker`: | anyone else running trunk have RAOP fail to start up when they start their frontend? |
| [18:52:55] | Seeker`: | anyone else running trunk _not_ have RAOP fail to start up when they start their frontend? |
| [19:07:18] | Seeker`: | echo...echo...echo... |
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| [19:32:43] | dblain: | wagnerrp: would it be okay with you if I change the GPL text in versionInfo.h to "Licensed under the GPL v2 or later, see COPYING for details" ? (I assume you added this file) |
| [19:33:37] | wagnerrp: | im not sure what that file is for me to have added it |
| [19:33:53] | wagnerrp: | which means in other words, i have no objections... :) |
| [19:34:16] | dblain: | maybe I have the wrong person. :/ |
| [19:34:40] | wagnerrp: | its got my name at the top of the file |
| [19:34:45] | wagnerrp: | i guess i did add it at some point |
| [19:34:58] | dblain: | thought so... ok. I'll make the change. Thanks |
| [19:36:23] | wagnerrp: | ah, i did that when i migrated the database version into libs/libmythbase/mythversion.h |
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| [19:47:44] | dekarl: | Seeker`: if you're looking for some low hanging dvb fruit look here http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User:Dekarl/Burndown_DVB :) eg #10054, #7486 (half commited for 2 years now) or #10153 <- all with patches |
| [19:52:20] | Seeker`: | dekarl: what actually needs to be done for 10054? |
| [19:54:31] | dekarl: | testing :) |
| [19:54:49] | superm1: | could someone help to update the ABI from mythtv/settings.pro to 0.25? |
| [19:55:11] | dekarl: | either with real scans or with mock objects and unit tests </crazy talk> |
| [20:00:00] | Seeker`: | don't have a backend dev environment at the moment, and I don't think I've ever experienced any of them |
| [20:04:08] | dekarl: | so you're in the same position as me... maybe your debugging mojo is stronger then mine and you can see why #7701 bails out early |
| [20:13:40] | Seeker`: | what do you mean by 'bails out early'? |
| [20:15:01] | dekarl: | when the channel scan is parsed the function simply returns somewhere in the macros |
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| [20:16:14] | dekarl: | see https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . rser.cpp#L43 ff |
| [20:18:50] | Seeker`: | erm |
| [20:18:54] | Seeker`: | do { ... } while(0)? |
| [20:19:46] | dekarl: | sounds like "do once" |
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| [20:21:34] | Seeker`: | I was udner the impression that you didn't need do { ... } while(0) for code to only execute once :P |
| [20:21:45] | dekarl: | ahhh, here it is http://stackoverflow.com/questions/154136/why . . . s-in-c-c-mac |
| [20:22:31] | dekarl: | But I could do without defines, too ;) |
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| [20:26:08] | Beirdo: | do { .... } while(0) is often used in #defines so that the macro can be used as code, and the ; at the end of the line makes sense to the compiler |
| [20:26:51] | Seeker`: | yeah, get that now |
| [20:27:11] | Beirdo: | ah yes, that stackoverflow page covers it pretty well :) |
| [20:27:38] | Seeker`: | dekarl: is it that specific macro, or just one of them in general? |
| [20:27:48] | dekarl: | Beirdo, do we use any parser generator? (thinking it might be easiest to writing down a formal syntax for all the variants of channels.conf and let a generator figure out the details) |
| [20:28:18] | dekarl: | Seeker`: its one of them, I don't remember right now |
| [20:28:24] | Beirdo: | like bison/yacc? Not at this point that I know of |
| [20:28:37] | dekarl: | aye bison/yacc, or even something modern |
| [20:28:51] | Beirdo: | if you want to put in bison/yacc + lex/flex, I'd be fine with it.. |
| [20:29:14] | Beirdo: | or newer if you got a better way |
| [20:29:28] | dekarl: | hmm, I'll put it on "the list" |
| [20:29:34] | Beirdo: | better than writing our own parser engine by hand |
| [20:29:41] | Beirdo: | we do enough of that :) |
| [20:30:20] | Beirdo: | been a little while since I did bison/flex coding, but it's rather fun (and aggravating at times) |
| [20:31:42] | stuartm: | while (0) doesn't run once, it runs infinitely, we don't exit the loop until break; is called |
| [20:31:52] | Beirdo: | ummm |
| [20:31:54] | Beirdo: | no |
| [20:32:04] | stuartm: | well break/return/exit |
| [20:32:12] | Beirdo: | do { .... } while(0); runs exactly once |
| [20:32:25] | Beirdo: | runs the { } block once |
| [20:32:31] | dekarl: | ^- thats enough reason for the macros to die ;) |
| [20:32:32] | stuartm: | ugh, thinko, I'm thinking of while(1) |
| [20:32:36] | Beirdo: | as while(0) always fails :) |
| [20:32:41] | Beirdo: | hehe, there we go |
| [20:33:12] | Beirdo: | yeah while(1) would be infinite loop and needs break; or return; in the middle to exit, basically |
| [20:33:46] | stuartm: | yeah, just pretend I never said that, I don't know how I managed to confuse myself there |
| [20:37:20] | stuartm: | I guess I'm more used to seeing while(1) loops than while(0), but even those I don't like, it's a nasty construct IMHO |
| [20:38:11] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:38:29] | stichnot: | stuartm: in that teletext screenshot, what version of mythtv did that come from? |
| [20:38:49] | Beirdo: | it's a necessary evil though... we could use while(false) in C++ and make it more obvious (a bit) |
| [20:38:56] | stuartm: | stichnot: master as of today |
| [20:39:13] | danielk221: | do { ... } while (0) will last as long as code preprocessors will, i.e. forever |
| [20:39:39] | Beirdo: | aye |
| [20:39:50] | Beirdo: | necessary evils rule. |
| [20:39:51] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:40:08] | danielk221: | it's a bit odd when you first see it, but once you've been bitten by the bugs that happen when you don't do it, you never forget..never forget. |
| [20:41:43] | stichnot: | stuartm: that is weird. My changes should have meant that all text-based captions have extra spacing between the lines, so you wouldn't see a solid block of background black. And i don't see a code path where teletext captions could have different text colors. |
| [20:41:56] | Seeker`: | dekarl: I would guess that it is calling the wrong macro for a value, rather than a problewith the macro |
| [20:42:35] | stichnot: | the text formatting looks like characters are being sent one at a time with explicit coordinate info |
| [20:43:16] | stichnot: | and then there's the Qt font bug where computed text width/height is too small leading to truncation, along with PAD_WIDTH and PAD_HEIGHT in our code |
| [20:44:51] | stuartm: | stichnot: that's definitely teletext and we've always supported colour for teletext subs although I couldn't tell you where the colour is handled |
| [20:45:59] | stuartm: | stichnot: thinking about it we'd have to send a character at a time for live subtitles (subtitles typed in almost realtime for live events/news, appear on-screen as characters arrive) |
| [20:46:41] | stuartm: | so that means teletext subs have to use a mono font, which is fine, I might add something to block non-mono fonts being used |
| [20:47:38] | stichnot: | yes, cc608 subs are supposed to use a fixed coordinate system which implies mono fonts |
| [20:48:56] | stichnot: | cc708 bases layout on relative positions on the screen, e.g. 90% down from the top |
| [20:49:00] | stuartm: | switching the font from FreeSans to Droid Sans Mono and it looks a lot better, still some clipping at the bottom of characters such as lower case g and y |
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| [20:49:31] | stuartm: | overall size is still to big, for some subtitle blocks it obscures a lot of the picture |
| [20:50:40] | Pinhole: | Any current recommendations for a USB capture card that works in linux for both analog and digital atsc and qam that works well and is inexpensive and still available for purchase? |
| [20:50:54] | stuartm: | I think for TT subs it's reasonable for them to be the same size as the DVB subs, both are designed to be read by the same audience at the same distance |
| [20:50:57] | stichnot: | it strikes me that the cc608 decoder/reader is treating it as non-teletext, i.e. U.S. style captions |
| [20:51:13] | stuartm: | Pinhole: that's best asked in #linuxtv or #mythtv-users |
| [20:51:36] | ** dblain can't believe it's been 7 years since he wrote the upnp stack! (and feels bad that it hasn't gotten his love in a very long time) ** | |
| [20:51:50] | skd5aner: | dblain: was that a google SOC project? |
| [20:52:15] | dblain: | no, but Chutt added me as a developer at the same time. |
| [20:52:31] | skd5aner: | ah – that must be my confusion then |
| [20:52:41] | wagnerrp: | have we actually had a GSoC project that ran to completion? |
| [20:52:55] | skd5aner: | the project only did it one time, and nothing at all really came out of it |
| [20:53:41] | dblain: | I would of loved to do it as a SOC project, but I didn't qualify since I'm been getting paid to write code for 20+ years. |
| [20:53:46] | skd5aner: | I don't think any of the devs that were part of GSoC stayed around – but I couldn't remember if dblain might have been the exception or not – just similiar timing :) |
| [20:54:17] | stichnot: | stuartm: for cc608, the screen is treated as a 40x25 grid of characters (teletext) or 36x17 (non-teletext), and pixelsize is set to height/rows. Your screenshot looks like it's assuming closer to 17 rows, not 25 |
| [20:54:31] | stuartm: | stichnot: after changing to a mono font – http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/subtitle_spacing1.jpeg |
| [20:55:11] | stuartm: | the position is relative, i.e. it hasn't magically moved down the screen as a result of changing the font, only because that block was positioned lower down the screen |
| [20:55:44] | stuartm: | hmm, maybe grabbing the exact same scene would be more useful |
| [20:56:25] | dekarl: | could someone help to update the ABI from mythplugins/settings.pro to 0.25, too? |
| [20:56:36] | stichnot: | stuartm: a snippet of "-v vbi" logs would probably shed some more light |
| [20:57:59] | stuartm: | http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/subtitle_spacing2.jpeg |
| [20:58:04] | stuartm: | stichnot: sure |
| [21:00:11] | stuartm: | dekarl: done |
| [21:00:25] | dekarl: | just saw it, thanks |
| [21:01:59] | davide: | wagnerrp: how did you discern manual recording out of that? i was thoroughly confused. |
| [21:02:39] | stichnot: | stuartm: just saw this file called teletextscreen.cpp, I think that's going to clear up a lot... :) |
| [21:02:59] | stuartm: | stichnot: these are teletext in a dvb mpeg ts vs vbi, will vbi still be useful? It's not producing any additional logging with -v vbi |
| [21:03:16] | stuartm: | to answer my own question, that would be a no |
| [21:05:26] | superm1: | stuartm: could you do mythtv/settings.pro as well? dekarl's request was an addition to mine on mythtv/settings.pro |
| [21:06:11] | MythBuild: | build #3068 of master-linux-64bit is complete: Failure [failed compile plugins] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . /builds/3068 blamelist: Stuart Morgan <smorgan@mythtv.org > |
| [21:06:16] | stuartm: | first one's free, after that I start charging |
| [21:06:29] | stichnot: | so yeah, like a typical American, I had no idea teletextscreen.cpp existed |
| [21:07:21] | ** dekarl scratches head: how did I end up with a fresh libmyth-0.25 when it wasnt already updated? ** | |
| [21:09:48] | stuartm: | MythBuild: force build master-linux-64bit now |
| [21:09:49] | MythBuild: | build forced [ETA 4m47s] |
| [21:09:49] | MythBuild: | I'll give a shout when the build finishes |
| [21:09:59] | wagnerrp: | davide: the image said "(manual recording)" |
| [21:10:54] | MythBuild: | build #1851 of master-freebsd-64bit is complete: Failure [failed compile plugins] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . /builds/1851 blamelist: Stuart Morgan <smorgan@mythtv.org > |
| [21:13:18] | MythBuild: | build #3069 of master-linux-64bit is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . /builds/3069 |
| [21:13:34] | stuartm: | MythBuild: force build master-freebsd-64bit now |
| [21:13:39] | MythBuild: | The build has been queued, I'll give a shout when it starts |
| [21:13:43] | stuartm: | MythBuild: force build master-freebsd-64bit now |
| [21:13:49] | MythBuild: | The build has been queued, I'll give a shout when it starts |
| [21:13:56] | stuartm: | oh, right, it had already queued it |
| [21:14:03] | stuartm: | MythBuild: help |
| [21:14:04] | MythBuild: | Get help on what? (try 'help <foo>', or 'commands' for a command list) |
| [21:14:16] | stuartm: | MythBuild: commands |
| [21:14:16] | MythBuild: | buildbot commands: commands, dance, destroy, excited, force, hello, help, last, list, mute, notify, source, status, stop, unmute, version, watch |
| [21:14:42] | stuartm: | MythBuild: stop build master-freebsd-64bit now |
| [21:14:43] | MythBuild: | build 1852 interrupted |
| [21:14:44] | MythBuild: | build #1852 of master-freebsd-64bit is complete: Exception [exception interrupted] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . /builds/1852 blamelist: Stuart Morgan <smorgan@mythtv.org > |
| [21:14:44] | MythBuild: | build forced [ETA 9m17s] |
| [21:14:45] | MythBuild: | I'll give a shout when the build finishes |
| [21:14:49] | stuartm: | MythBuild: stop build master-freebsd-64bit now |
| [21:14:49] | MythBuild: | build 1853 interrupted |
| [21:14:50] | MythBuild: | build #1853 of master-freebsd-64bit is complete: Exception [exception interrupted] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . /builds/1853 |
| [21:15:12] | stuartm: | MythBuild: force build master-freebsd-64bit now |
| [21:15:13] | MythBuild: | build forced [ETA 9m17s] |
| [21:15:13] | MythBuild: | I'll give a shout when the build finishes |
| [21:15:44] | MythBuild: | build #1831 of master-linux-ppc is complete: Failure [failed compile plugins] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . /builds/1831 blamelist: Stuart Morgan <smorgan@mythtv.org > |
| [21:15:57] | davide: | wagnerrp: ah, ok. you'd already replied, so i didn't check the attachments. |
| [21:16:06] | MythBuild: | build #2814 of master-linux-32bit is complete: Failure [failed compile plugins] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . /builds/2814 blamelist: Stuart Morgan <smorgan@mythtv.org > |
| [21:17:14] | ** stuartm weathers the storm ** | |
| [21:20:04] | MythBuild: | Hey! build master-freebsd-64bit #1854 is complete: Success [build successful] |
| [21:20:04] | MythBuild: | Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . /builds/1854 |
| [21:23:29] | MythBuild: | build #1832 of master-linux-ppc is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . /builds/1832 |
| [21:26:16] | MythBuild: | build #2815 of master-linux-32bit is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . /builds/2815 |
| [21:26:21] | MythBuild: | build #273 of master-osx-snow-leopard is complete: Failure [failed compile_2] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . d/builds/273 blamelist: Stuart Morgan <smorgan@mythtv.org > |
| [21:32:21] | stichnot: | stuartm: I'd still like to get a sample recording with teletext, maybe 1–2 minutes long, especially if it has a mix of foreground/background colors and any other unique teletext formatting. |
| [21:37:21] | stuartm: | stichnot: alternate background colours might be tricky, they do exist and are used to describe noises/music that might be playing, but since only one channel here uses teletext I'll have to dig through multiple recordings to find an appropriate sample |
| [21:39:03] | stichnot: | thanks, don't worry too much about background colors. |
| [21:40:16] | MythBuild: | build #274 of master-osx-snow-leopard is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . d/builds/274 |
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| [21:57:34] | stuartm: | stichnot: two minute sample is 179MB, I'm uploading now but my upstream sucks so it will be a few minutes |
| [21:58:46] | stuartm: | bitrate is surprisingly high for ITV HD, I hadn't noticed that before |
| [21:59:08] | stichnot: | stuartm: thanks, it'll be a few hours before I can look at it. |
| [22:00:50] | danielk221: | Anyone else seeing the frontend not exiting properly? |
| [22:01:12] | stuartm: | it's slightly higher than BBC HDs new encoders achieve, although still half the 21Mbps of the old BBC HD |
| [22:02:10] | stuartm: | danielk221: only when it exits early after failing to update the DB, then it segfaults with all sorts of errors, including GL context ones |
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| [22:04:03] | Seeker`: | danielk221: not checked with more recent updates, but occasionally, yes |
| [22:04:12] | Seeker`: | stuartm: is the BBC encoder better though? |
| [22:04:34] | Seeker`: | ITV could be making up for a worse encoder by chucking more bits at it |
| [22:05:10] | stuartm: | it's a tough call, I'm not sure I can tell the difference but a videophile might have a different opinion |
| [22:06:12] | Seeker`: | I'm not sure I could, but they could be upping the bitrate to get the same apparent quality as BBC |
| [22:07:26] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: whats with the freebsd "build successful" message up there taking two lines, and everything else just one |
| [22:08:46] | stuartm: | anything's better than the crap bitrates they reserve for most SD channels, it's saying a lot when the quality of many flash videos is better than you get from broadcast channels and all in the name of squeezing in a bunch of shopping channels that no-one wants |
| [22:09:18] | Seeker`: | yeah, the rubbish you can find on freesat is amazing |
| [22:10:26] | stuartm: | it's almost as bad on Freeview and they've got much less bandwidth to work with |
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| [22:12:58] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: the freebsd one force-built |
| [22:14:19] | stuartm: | which wasn't necessary as it turns out, since there was already a second build cued up |
| [22:14:37] | Beirdo: | yup :) |
| [22:15:16] | danielk221: | stuartm: Not DB upgrade related, it looks like some QMutex regression introduced in the last 24 hours. |
| [22:16:05] | javajunky: | evening. I was in here a week ago asking about recording via MythXML, and ended up with the result that until the new services API is avaialble (and that functionality has been built) I'm limited to using Mysql … so to get around oracle's licensing restrictions I've knocked up a basic mysql driver (open sourced here: https://github.com/ciaranj/MySqueakQl … but now I'm back with *another* inane question ;) … Is there a simple table in the Db that tell |
| [22:16:11] | danielk221: | It's a ~QMutex being called by __cxa_finalize() so probably a static QMutex was introduced somewhere. |
| [22:17:16] | wagnerrp: | javajunky: im somewhat surprised theres not already a 'pure java' mysql library floating around somewhere |
| [22:17:35] | javajunky: | wagnerrp: there may well be, but I needed one for iOS :) |
| [22:17:44] | wagnerrp: | something written with just the basic socket libraries in java |
| [22:18:04] | wagnerrp: | oh, based off your name, i had assumed that was going to be in java |
| [22:18:12] | wagnerrp: | not objC |
| [22:18:14] | javajunky: | wagnerrp: ..I was still surprised at the apparent absence of one of those too mind :( .. but everything appears to link to the mysqlclient library |
| [22:18:29] | javajunky: | wagnerrp: ahh, a historical nick I'm afraid. ( the day job, lets say) |
| [22:18:42] | wagnerrp: | so... your question got cut off |
| [22:18:49] | javajunky: | oh ;) |
| [22:18:52] | wagnerrp: | "is there a simple table in the db that tell".... |
| [22:19:03] | javajunky: | that tells me whether something *will* be recorded or not ? (recorded/olderecorded appear historical?) … or do I have to intepret the tesults of a query on 'record' ? .. alternatively I'm happy to RTFM if you can point me in the right direction  |
| [22:19:24] | stuartm: | javajunky: no, that's all in-memory on the backend, it's not stored |
| [22:19:47] | stuartm: | when the backend starts up it runs the scheduler against the record table to generate the list of what will be recorded |
| [22:20:09] | javajunky: | stuartm: ah, cool, I've just pulled out all the mythxml code, and replaced it with queries <g> .. best put that back in them for reading the data ! :) .. Thank you! |
| [22:20:14] | stuartm: | the scheduler is insanely complicated so you don't want to copy that |
| [22:20:27] | javajunky: | stuartm: no, I really don't want to be doing that :) |
| [22:20:37] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/QUERY_GETALLSCHEDULED_(Myth_Protocol) |
| [22:20:38] | wagnerrp: | or |
| [22:21:00] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/DVR_Service#GetUpcomingList |
| [22:21:06] | javajunky: | s'cool, I'll flip back to mythxml |
| [22:21:54] | javajunky: | cheers folks, thank you for the help! |
| [22:22:11] | wagnerrp: | neither of those are mythxml |
| [22:22:34] | Seeker`: | stuartm: they need a film four HD and 'watch' on freesat and I'd be happy. Plus sky atlantic content would be awesome |
| [22:22:34] | javajunky: | wagnerrp: nope, I get that, they're mythprotocol ;) |
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| [22:22:54] | javajunky: | wagnerrp: this'll do what I want: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/GetProgramGuide_(MythXML) |
| [22:23:15] | javajunky: | wagnerrp: (and did prior to me stripping it out to move solely to mysql …doh!) |
| [22:23:18] | wagnerrp: | do you want the guide? or do you want upcoming recodings? |
| [22:23:27] | wagnerrp: | those are two different things |
| [22:23:58] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Guide_Service |
| [22:23:58] | stuartm: | Seeker`: I'd like to see Sky's deal with HBO ruled illegal, but this is OT so I'll leave it there |
| [22:24:14] | javajunky: | the guide has the upcoming recording status embedded in the results which is what I"m after, more than just 'upcoming recordings' .. ..I was asking about upcoming recordings originally as I already had 'recorded' :) |
| [22:32:09] | stuartm: | stichnot: http://miffteevee.co.uk/filebin/teletext_subs.mpg |
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| [22:35:57] | Seeker`: | stuartm: pm? |
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| [22:40:01] | stichnot: | stuartm: got it, thanks! |
| [22:43:16] | Beirdo: | and I finally got a test recording from a coworker that he's not sure will play properly |
| [22:43:30] | Beirdo: | well, not *recording*... it's an MKV of anime |
| [22:43:52] | Beirdo: | heh. I'll see what it does when I get home, I guess |
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| [23:02:00] | stuartm: | danielk221: are you still seeing that deleted recording re-appearing in the list bug? |
| [23:02:28] | stuartm: | I still can't reproduce |
| [23:04:15] | dekarl: | stuartm: just putting the Load(); back in fixed the metadatalookup going to tmdb instead of tvdb for generic episodes, will test your patch tomorrow |
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| [23:18:51] | stuartm: | fwiw, those RecordingRule/ScheduleEditor changes I committed earlier mean we can now display whether an upcoming recording was the result of a search rule and which search type/search string it was – that should have been possible from the beginning but it was a little broken |
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| [23:19:36] | stuartm: | it means no more head-scratching for me when a seemingly random programme/film is scheduled to record because of a people search rule I setup 5 years ago |
| [23:22:20] | Seeker`: | did that happen often? |
| [23:26:09] | sphery: | probably happened more in the last 5 years than before that ;) |
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| [23:37:45] | xavierh: | In the PlayBack Setting a can see a reference to MacMainSettings() but I can not find this function anywhere ? |
| [23:38:19] | xavierh: | grep -r MacMainSettings . does not return anything |
| [23:39:57] | xavierh: | oups sorry for the noise |
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| [23:48:17] | jya: | what is considered "new" feature? |
| [23:49:09] | xavierh: | Someone is willing to bend the rules ;) |
| [23:49:23] | jya: | ALSA 1.0.25 let you access the raw ELD (Edid like data) for hdmi devices. This gives the information about what feature are supported by the hdmi device: like AC3, DTS, DTS-HD, TrueHD etc.. |
| [23:49:25] | Beirdo: | umm, a feature that we don't have yet? |
| [23:50:13] | jya: | well, i was thinking I could display the data in the information at the bottom of the screen like it does now.. |
| [23:50:16] | Beirdo: | generally speaking after feature-freeze, my understanding is that all commits should be bug-fuxes |
| [23:50:25] | jya: | as suh, it's not new, but an "improvement" :) |
| [23:50:47] | Beirdo: | now, there's always room for exceptions if people agree on it |
| [23:51:00] | Beirdo: | bug-fixes rather |
| [23:51:25] | jya: | well, it fixes for example which HDMI device to use (there are a few for each hdmi card) you will see if there's something connected to it or not.. a tad easier that selecting, trying, selecting another , trying |
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| [23:52:48] | Beirdo: | I personally don't see a problem, as long as it's not a huge invasive change. We are only 16h into freeze anyways. But we'll see what others think, I guess :0 |
| [23:53:08] | Beirdo: | we do have to draw a line somewhere though |
| [23:53:39] | jya: | now, I could use that information provided by the ELD to completely make obsolete the need for the user to check the AC3, DTS box etc... |
| [23:53:46] | jya: | now that would be a new feature |
| [23:53:58] | Beirdo: | without a doubt :) |
| [23:54:03] | jya: | so I thought of only providing it as an information when required |
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| [23:54:47] | jya: | I already dislpay what I think the stuff supports, but it's pretty useless, only thing of value is that it tells if it's digital or analog |
| [23:55:21] | Beirdo: | I could see it being postured as a bug-fix for that |
| [23:56:19] | jya: | As I'm planning to put it right now, is purely informational if it's there, if it's not there display the information as before |
| [23:56:38] | Beirdo: | well, my "vote" would be to go for it |
| [23:56:42] | jya: | Pulse Audio also now has support for bitstreaming |
| [23:56:54] | jya: | new vs bug fix :) |
| [23:56:54] | Beirdo: | anyone else around have objections? |
| [23:57:20] | Beirdo: | the best bug fix for pulse is "apt-get purge pulseaudio" |
| [23:57:33] | Beirdo: | but that's beside the point |
| [23:58:47] | Beirdo: | Hmm, I guess it's time to really triage my ticket list now |
| [23:59:07] | jya: | if pulse supports bitstreaming, I can see pulse now really taking over the need to access the audio device directly |
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| [23:59:21] | Beirdo: | not on my box. |
| [23:59:50] | jya: | why not? fundamentally, pulse is the only solution that ticks all the boxes |
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