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| [00:51:58] | danielk22: | stichnot: nah, just update the patch to apply then. |
| [00:52:24] | danielk22: | I just want to get this in before the feature freeze. |
| [00:52:29] | stichnot: | ok, later tonight after I actually test the patch in front of the TV |
| [00:52:58] | danielk22: | thx |
| [00:53:58] | danielk22: | stuartm: 80e92db0 ain't right.. if you want to document something after the element you need ///< not just /// |
| [00:56:35] | stichnot: | danielk22: in https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/adca89e6f , the line gCoreContext->SendReceiveStringList(strlist); is removed. Is that correct? Wondering if that has anything to do with broken ISO playback over storage groups. |
| [01:03:36] | stichnot: | Adding that line back in appears to fix the problem. |
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| [01:31:15] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch2: you around? |
| [01:33:23] | wagnerrp: | bit of an architectural question... |
| [01:33:47] | wagnerrp: | theres a query now in mainserver.cpp to list the currently connected backends, available for scanning for video library content |
| [01:34:00] | wagnerrp: | however since the master backend has the ability to scan |
| [01:34:31] | wagnerrp: | but is not allowed to connect back to itself to query those available backends |
| [01:34:40] | wagnerrp: | im just wondering how best to otherwise access that |
| [01:38:17] | wagnerrp: | i guess the best would be to add a method into the video scanner, so that the backend could pass the data in |
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| [02:52:12] | Seeker`: | stichnot: I tried adding that gCoreContext line back in, it fixes the problem I was having with BDMV folders |
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| [03:12:12] | xavierh: | Seeker`:[01:03] stichnot Adding that line back in appears to fix the problem. |
| [03:13:00] | Seeker`: | xavierh: he had a slightly different problem |
| [03:14:06] | xavierh: | oh |
| [03:16:15] | ** dblain is finally done with his car repairs. ** | |
| [03:16:42] | wagnerrp: | quite lengthy ones |
| [03:18:22] | dblain: | wagnerrp: The patches you linked to looks interesting. will have to see how the Services API and upnp stack work with it. |
| [03:18:47] | stichnot: | Glad the remove DVD stuff is fixed. The kids were giving me trouble... |
| [03:21:36] | Seeker`: | stichnot: heh. I've got to wait until sunday for the next mythbuntu build |
| [03:23:30] | stichnot: | Seeker`: Really? Didn't you just test it??? |
| [03:24:16] | Seeker`: | stichnot: I have a dev environment set up on my desktop computer, which is what I tested it with |
| [03:24:37] | stichnot: | ah, makes sense |
| [03:24:40] | Seeker`: | stichnot: the rest of my system (i.e. used with the TV) is still running on mythbuntu nightly builds |
| [03:30:19] | danielk221: | sorry about that breakage. it is fixed in trunk now. |
| [03:31:33] | Seeker`: | danielk221: I saw you closed my ticket :) Thanks for sorting it out |
| [03:32:00] | stichnot: | danielk221: np, fortunately it was easy enough to track down |
| [03:40:36] | xavierh: | stuartm: About you comment at [22:32], does it mean you expect it to be simpler? I am base on the same design as at the beginning I wanted to have drop in classes |
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| [04:36:14] | Beirdo: | stuartm: should we standardize on javadoc style comments (/**) or Qt-style (/*!)? |
| [04:36:30] | Beirdo: | or /// stle |
| [04:36:41] | Beirdo: | or //! |
| [04:36:47] | Beirdo: | too many bloody choices :) |
| [04:41:23] | Beirdo: | And do we want to keep JAVADOC_AUTOBRIEF on? |
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| [04:51:20] | Guest16026: | h |
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| [04:53:59] | xris: | Beirdo: thought javadoc style was already the standard |
| [04:54:20] | Beirdo: | I've seen a mixture in the code, hence the question :) |
| [04:54:37] | Beirdo: | I'd happily convert stragglers as I see them |
| [04:55:22] | Beirdo: | I think AUTOBRIEF is not useful for us (and actually breaks the briefs in some cases where it's more than one sentence.) |
| [04:57:26] | xris: | notice: taking down the website and the db so I can upgrade. |
| [04:57:47] | Beirdo: | upgrading the db? |
| [04:59:11] | xris: | yeah |
| [04:59:18] | Beirdo: | cool |
| [04:59:25] | xris: | percona 5.5. will make it easier to migrate back to alcor (which already has 5.5) |
| [04:59:32] | Beirdo: | for sure |
| [04:59:35] | xris: | one less step to worry about. |
| [05:13:41] | xris: | cool. looks like the db upgrade went easily enough. kudos to percona. |
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| [10:09:52] | jya: | pfff, that guy from libsamplerate… what a morron |
| [10:15:43] | stuartm: | :/ |
| [10:32:56] | stuartm: | danielk221: ah, oops |
| [10:40:25] | stuartm: | Beirdo: since you seem to be reading the docs, if you find anything about segregating the python documentation from the rest then I'd be interested |
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| [11:32:15] | xavierh: | stuartm: seen your comment about setting classes, do you expect a simpler implementation, At the moment I am using the same approach as at the beginning I was expecting to create drop in classes |
| [11:33:36] | xavierh: | stuartm: also I did not see anything about disabling a MythUIListButtonItem, did I miss something ? |
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| [13:49:58] | Seeker`: | stuartm: have I asked you before about which fields Ctrl+S should be searching in video-ui? |
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| [14:39:06] | jya: | glad to see a few commits from markk |
| [14:40:01] | Seeker`: | jya: I think that is iamlin doro pulling in changes markk is making on his own branch |
| [14:40:09] | Seeker`: | I could be wrong though |
| [14:40:18] | jya: | ah... |
| [14:40:50] | jya: | ah you're right… all of those commits were committed by iamlindoro |
| [14:42:28] | stuartm: | xavierh: I would like something simpler, but that can wait, it's enough for now to eliminate the old UI stuff |
| [14:42:46] | jya: | stuartm: I've found the issue with your 8bits sample.. Actually, the problem isn't in 8bits audio, but in the mono->stereo upmixing |
| [14:42:48] | MythBuild: | build #1808 of master-freebsd-64bit is complete: Failure [failed git] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . /builds/1808 blamelist: Mark Kendall <mkendall@mythtv.org > |
| [14:42:58] | jya: | stupid bug |
| [14:43:02] | stuartm: | and I'm just one person, there might be a reason for the hideously complicated inheritance that I'm unaware of |
| [14:43:17] | stuartm: | jya: ah |
| [14:43:33] | jya: | stupid stupid stupid thing |
| [14:43:51] | stuartm: | xavierh: I can't remember if there is anything to disable a list item, I'll check and if not I can add it easily enough |
| [14:44:27] | stuartm: | Seeker`: yes, and the answer is that I don't know, but I suspect it's all textareas |
| [14:45:14] | stuartm: | unless you mean which ones it should be searching vs those that it's searching now, in which case you should ask iamlindoro |
| [14:46:35] | Seeker`: | stuartm: the latter. I know I asked someone, and I know they said 'ask someone else', but I can't remember who the relevant people were :P |
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| [14:57:26] | MythBuild: | build #3024 of master-linux-64bit is complete: Failure [failed git] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . /builds/3024 blamelist: Mark Kendall <mkendall@mythtv.org > |
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| [15:05:05] | jya: | danielk221: looking over some of the changes youve made to the audio code recently.. |
| [15:05:18] | jya: | just looking at https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/b0b97 . . . 4b18e7a660da |
| [15:05:51] | jya: | I fail to see how memset(audiobuffer, 0, sizeof(char) * kAudioRingBufferSize); and be considered as equivalent to memset(audiobuffer, 0, sizeof(audiobuffer)); |
| [15:07:02] | jya: | actually, my bad, audiobuffer is now a static array. |
| [15:07:10] | jya: | need to go to bed :( |
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| [15:48:50] | jya: | stuartm: if you could re-enable the resampling in myth and test some of that mono 8 bits again , that would be appreciated. I've just pushed the fix |
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| [16:08:16] | xavierh: | stuartm: for disabling an item, there is not rush, at the moment the only problem is that it can be selected |
| [16:11:34] | xavierh: | stuartm: there is good reason for the current design as it simplify the implementation of widget type * storage type, but it was a bit difficult to understand at first and I am not sure this is the way to go anymore. Anyway I will stick to it for the time being |
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| [17:50:08] | stuartm: | xavierh: we can re-work the backend bits of the settings/storage stuff another time if required, my primary concern is the elimination of the old UI code |
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| [18:52:28] | pyrodex: | Need a little advice... I recent tried out 0.25 from Mythbuntu repos (running 11.10 already and 0.24) and noticed there was a lot more noise and pixelation issues with my 0.25 install. I run 2 HDHR3CC's and in the past never saw this issue with 0.24 but when I went to 0.25 I did. |
| [18:53:16] | pyrodex: | I also started to see various new log entries in the syslog such as TFW(/mythtv/recordings/1758_20120210225900.mpg:58): write(57528) cnt 35 total 2004456 — took a long time, 1287 ms and wondering if my storage is an issue? |
| [18:53:40] | pyrodex: | I run a raid6 array on an areca 1880 card with 1GB of ram and personally have no issues with i/o in the past |
| [18:53:52] | pyrodex: | is 0.25 more sensitive to io issues? |
| [18:55:29] | wagnerrp: | this is the development channel, you want #mythtv-users |
| [18:55:38] | pyrodex: | ok |
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| [20:05:00] | stuartm: | who launches a DDOS against a source code repository? |
| [20:08:33] | sphery: | perhaps someone is upset that only the 1% (who know how to code) make decisions on what goes into those projects and is standing up for the rights of the 99% to demand others code their ideas? |
| [20:10:08] | wagnerrp: | you think the ratios are that high? |
| [20:10:13] | wagnerrp: | a whole 1% of us? |
| [20:10:30] | wagnerrp: | that would make all of a couple thousand mythtv users |
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| [20:53:22] | xavierh: | What does selectedinactive and inactive state means for a MythUIButtonListItem ? |
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| [20:59:29] | Seeker`: | xavierh: I think it is when the button is disabled (i.e. cannot press 'enter' and have it do something) |
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| [21:02:56] | xavierh: | but a mythuibuttonlistitem can not disabled .... |
| [21:03:32] | xavierh: | Seeker`: ^^^ |
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| [21:04:32] | Seeker`: | I've never looked at it; is it something it inherits from the buttonlist? |
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| [21:07:43] | xavierh: | no, mythuibuttonlistitem doesn't inherit from anything. |
| [21:08:44] | jpabq: | xavierh, selectedactive == selected button, when button list has foccus. selectedinactive == selected button when button list does not have focus. |
| [21:09:23] | xavierh: | jpabq: ah, make sense. ta |
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| [21:13:39] | jpabq: | xavierh, One trick I have done --- make the inactive state have an area of 0,0,0,0 which causes those buttons to disappear when used with <arrange>stack</arrange> |
| [21:14:28] | jpabq: | I should say, it causes those buttons to disappear, when that list does not have focus. |
| [21:15:05] | xavierh: | clever, where do you use that ? |
| [21:15:14] | jpabq: | In a theme I am finishing up. |
| [21:15:20] | clever: | xavierh: ? |
| [21:15:48] | xavierh: | clever: :) sorry, didn't mean to disturbe you |
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| [21:17:34] | wagnerrp: | stop complaining, i already fixed you |
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| [21:32:18] | jpabq: | stuartm, How is https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/5e5a02451 different from <window name="timepopup"> in schedule-ui.xml ? |
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| [21:39:09] | stuartm: | jpabq: it's more capable and will replace the one in schedule-ui.xml |
| [21:40:24] | stuartm: | I just haven't committed the bit which removes it from proglist_helpers.cpp/h and schedule-ui.xml and switches over proglist.cpp to use it (because I'm working against the clock to get the important bit of the change in before the feature freeze) |
| [21:40:43] | jpabq: | stuartm, Okay. If I theme the one in base.xml, can I already strip out the one in schedule-ui.xml ? In other words, will that happen before the freeze. |
| [21:40:46] | jpabq: | Okay. |
| [21:42:15] | stuartm: | jpabq: if everything goes as planned, yes, but I would wait until it actually happens – I'm moving it to a 'global' widget because I want to use it in the guide grid for 0.25, that's the bit I'm focusing on atm |
| [21:42:41] | jpabq: | Cool! Don't let me distract you, then. |
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| [22:16:13] | stuartm: | jpabq: fwiw I don't count any themes in the feature freeze, IMHO those are free to be modified right up until (and even after) the release – changes there don't affect stability in any way |
| [22:16:47] | stuartm: | personally I intend to spend a good portion of the feature freeze fixing up Terra and even working on a new theme |
| [22:17:07] | xris: | cool! |
| [22:17:28] | ** xris would really like to storyboard a whole theme/ui thing.. but not actually code it ** | |
| [22:17:44] | xris: | but I don't think myth would actually *do* what I want it to at the moment. |
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| [22:24:15] | Seeker`: | xris: what do you want to do? |
| [22:24:38] | xris: | combine videos and recordings. :) |
| [22:25:20] | xris: | but also build it more like a tablet UI for some things. fix some of the breadcrumb UX issues we have in the current understanding of the recordings and videos views |
| [22:25:34] | xris: | or lack-of-breadcrumb in some ways. |
| [22:25:37] | jpabq: | stuartm, Yeah, that was becoming pretty obvious considering what xavierh is working on. I actually had just finished theming mythmusic when paulh commited the new stuff. Then I finished mythwelcome about the time you yanked it. Now xavierh is working on stuff, and you are working on the guide ;-) |
| [22:25:57] | Seeker`: | xris: I think that combining videos+recordings is quite a common 'would like' |
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| [22:26:48] | xris: | yeah |
| [22:26:54] | xris: | I mocked this up for mythweb a long time ago: https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1__hdjX5eG . . . QglN3rg/edit |
| [22:28:13] | stuartm: | xris: and just as commonly people hate the idea (well I do ...) |
| [22:28:27] | Seeker`: | xris: if I can convince a dev to 'sponser' it (as in, agree to commit it etc.) I'm tempted to work on splitting out proper seperate tv and fim views too |
| [22:28:56] | xris: | stuartm: I know. though I think that if it were done right, it would be natural. |
| [22:29:17] | xris: | or you just have a parent menu that mostly stays hidden where you can pick "recorded" "on disk" and "all"(default) |
| [22:29:34] | xris: | but for a lot of it, it requires strong meta data tools to categorize stuff |
| [22:29:43] | xris: | and the frontend isn't necessarily the best place for that. |
| [22:29:55] | jpabq: | Seeker`, In mythvideo, I currently have it splitting TV/Movies, but I would like it to also put "Music" into it's own tree. I have several concert dvds that I have to hunt for because they get classified as Movies. |
| [22:33:07] | stuartm: | metadata tools means sending the detail of everything you record to a third party (at least currently) hence why I've disabled metadata lookups for recording – I'm not saying it can't work for many people, but I would really be curious to see how the fundamental differences between recordings and videos (including how they are treated by most users) could be resolved so that they both work in an integrated UI |
| [22:33:30] | Seeker`: | jpabq: not sure how you would split those out from the metadata we have at the moment. I was basically consdiering splitting out the BRS_TVMOVIE mode to something seperate from browse modes, so that if you had SHOW_TV set, the 'get list of videos' would only return stuff with episode > 0 || series > 0, and if you had SHOW_MOVIE set, then it would return the inverse. That way you could use all of the existing browse modes on the data, so you could have y |
| [22:34:11] | stuartm: | jpabq: I was thinking 'Live Events' might work better as a category, to include stand up comedy shows, sporting events, theatre/musicals etc |
| [22:34:48] | xris: | what happened to the "exclude generic" recording filter? |
| [22:34:58] | stuartm: | jpabq: currently though there is no good source of metadata for those DVDs, TMDB and TVDB both refuse to carry them because they don't fit their criteria |
| [22:35:05] | xris: | I remember a commit mentioning it was removed from mythweb, but no replacement was added |
| [22:35:41] | xris: | stuartm: recordings should already have enough basic meta data from the schedule provider, no? |
| [22:36:02] | Seeker`: | xris: it varies. RT in the UK is pretty good. OTA in the UK isn't always great |
| [22:36:07] | Seeker`: | and AIUI the US is worse |
| [22:36:53] | xris: | EIT data in the US depends on the provider. seattle's stuff is ok. super subset of TMS data for most channels |
| [22:36:59] | xris: | "small subsert" |
| [22:37:05] | xris: | subset. |
| [22:37:16] | xris: | stupid keyboard,. /me blames the cold virus |
| [22:37:21] | stuartm: | xris: yeah, it depends what you're after, stuff like artwork isn't included (obviously) but a lot of the data you get for videos is also patchy, about the only thing you can count on is title/subtitle/description |
| [22:37:50] | xris: | stuartm: yeah. a lot of that is all you need to categorize certain types of things. |
| [22:38:16] | xris: | but I guess I do agree somewhat. I use the file browse view for videos, mostly to sort the kid's stuff out of my movies. |
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| [22:38:55] | Seeker`: | jpabq: my diea would allow you to have a 'Shows' menu item and 'Movies' menu item, and then use browse mode with each of them |
| [22:39:00] | Seeker`: | *folder mode |
| [22:39:13] | Seeker`: | so you could have 'Comedy', 'Music' folders under Shows |
| [22:39:24] | stuartm: | xris: how would you order episodes? (as an example?) for videos you can use series/episode numbers, for recordings you order by recording date, that makes it impossible to combine recorded episodes of series A with episodes ripped from a DVD, you don't have enough info to merge them in a way that makes any sense |
| [22:39:26] | Seeker`: | stuartm: any opinions on my idea? |
| [22:40:15] | Seeker`: | stuartm: if you have the series name and subtitle you should have enough info to get the episode number for TV series |
| [22:40:18] | xris: | stuartm: by record date? file creation date? episode name? |
| [22:40:34] | xris: | allow users to organize things manually in a web UI, ala netflix queue? |
| [22:40:38] | stuartm: | and recording titles/subtitles are even guarenteed to align with what tvdb names stuff, e.g. Battlestar Gallactica is the TV title, TMDB calls it Battlestar Gallactica (2003) |
| [22:40:51] | stuartm: | Life on Mars is Live on Mars (BBC) |
| [22:41:05] | xris: | yeah, that's definitely an annoyance |
| [22:41:09] | Seeker`: | you set the inetref when setting up the recording rule |
| [22:41:25] | stuartm: | xris: hand fixing up the ordering? Forgive the sarcasm but that's really user friendly |
| [22:41:30] | xris: | we need better handling of fuzzy name matching. once I set a title on a directory, it should remember that for all future files in the same directlry |
| [22:41:39] | stuartm: | </devils advocate> |
| [22:41:52] | xris: | stuartm: only a handful of people would opt not to look up meta data. it's their own fault for being privacy nuts. ;) |
| [22:42:57] | jpabq: | xris, davide_ re-worked the schedule "filters", but he did know know how to do the web interface for it. The new filter stuff is done as a bitmask and includes things like "identifiable episode", "new episode", "this episode", etc. |
| [22:43:30] | xris: | huh, thought the old stuff was bit mask, too |
| [22:43:51] | xris: | do you know which cpp/h file has the breakdown? |
| [22:44:06] | jpabq: | xris, give me a sec |
| [22:46:38] | jpabq: | xris, there is a recordfilter table in the db |
| [22:46:46] | xris: | yeah, I see now |
| [22:46:52] | xris: | interesting. |
| [22:47:40] | jpabq: | the filterid is the bitmask offset, obviously. |
| [22:48:11] | stuartm: | xris: I'm not going to stop anyone creating a combined view, but I would fight to the death to keep the seperate views, I don't consider ripped DVDs to be in any way the same thing as recordings – I buy the DVDs to keep them, I record things to watch then delete, I place very different value on the metadata displayed for each and yes I value my privacy (and I resent being called a nut for that) |
| [22:49:46] | xris: | stuartm: I do a mix of both. some recordings get archived, some DVDs get ripped to watch once and delete |
| [22:49:47] | jpabq: | xris, I wrote the MythUI for the new filter stuff, but I don't know how to do the web stuff, either. |
| [22:50:13] | xris: | well, theoretically it could just be done with checkboxes. but I first need to figure out how it goes together in the db record itself. |
| [22:50:55] | xris: | ah, ok. finally figured out how filterid translates to the bitmask |
| [22:51:34] | xris: | now to decide if I want to fix this in mythweb, or keep going through the iPhone dev tutorial. :) |
| [22:51:35] | jpabq: | xris, in MythUI, it is a buttonlist of checkboxes, filled in by a DB query. There is 'filter' field in record which is where the result is stored. |
| [22:52:30] | xris: | yeah. mythweb has the "filter" menu.. still has "new episodes" in it, which corresponds to filterid 0 (first bit). |
| [22:52:36] | xris: | should be easy to add the rest |
| [22:52:46] | xris: | all this to get my kid even more showings of that little blue train. |
| [22:54:42] | jpabq: | :) |
| [22:56:28] | jpabq: | xris, http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9850 |
| [22:57:46] | xris: | heh |
| [23:01:44] | Seeker`: | stuartm: do you have any opinions on seperating out tv/film from a browse mode? |
| [23:03:34] | gigem: | xris: jpabq already pointed at the ticket i was going to send you. you or kormoc asked for that ticket when i first added the feature. a user eventually offered to do it, but he didn't follow through. |
| [23:03:45] | stuartm: | Seeker`: yes, I think we should do it, where we differ on the subject is that I believe we should eliminate one or more mythvideo views to do it (gallery/browse/list/manager – take your pick) |
| [23:04:35] | xris: | jpabq: guess I should apply that one. :) |
| [23:04:41] | xris: | since the work was done for me. |
| [23:04:48] | stuartm: | we don't need eight views – each of the above one for film, one for TV, but even 5 views would be at least 2 too many |
| [23:04:55] | gigem: | oops, looks like he did follow through, but i didn't know enough to verify his changes. |
| [23:05:48] | skd5aner: | it's officially safe to say that the web-based setup will not be part of 0.25, correct? |
| [23:06:31] | xris: | grumble. tabs. |
| [23:06:42] | xris: | someone should just remove "tab" from all IDEs |
| [23:06:46] | skd5aner: | I'm going to rip it out of the "New Features" section of the release notes if so (as not to promote it as a primary feature for 0.25) |
| [23:08:07] | stuartm: | xris: without the tab it wouldn't really be an IDE, we'd be back opening a new window for each file being edited con-currently? |
| [23:08:24] | Seeker`: | stuartm: as an initial implementation, they would keep the same views |
| [23:08:34] | Seeker`: | so both would use the same galeery, same browse etc. |
| [23:10:38] | stuartm: | Seeker`: for me part of what's interesting about splitting them is theming them very differently, organising television by series/season/episode with screenshots, films in a flat view with posters instead |
| [23:11:33] | xris: | stuartm: wrong kind of tab. :) |
| [23:11:34] | stuartm: | IMHO if you don't actually create two separate views you might as well not bother, you can 'split' TV from Film just by putting each into a different directory |
| [23:11:54] | Seeker`: | stuartm: not with using anything other than folder browse mode |
| [23:12:06] | stuartm: | all my videos are organised into three root directories, Film/Television/Home Video |
| [23:12:25] | stuartm: | Seeker`: yeah, and? |
| [23:13:38] | ** stuartm isn't running away from the discussion but he really does have a number of jobs to complete before the end of tomorrow ** | |
| [23:13:40] | Seeker`: | the point is, by splitting them out the theme author could make list for tv shows and browse for films. People would be able to select browse for TV shows, but might go 'ugh, horrible' and change it back |
| [23:14:34] | Seeker`: | there might be a point where browse is renamed 'film' and 'gallery' renamed 'TV', but that doesn't have to be part of the patch which seperates out the two sets of data |
| [23:14:38] | Seeker`: | yeah, I understand |
| [23:15:03] | stuartm: | I should never have kept all four views when I ported mythvideo to mythui, I really regret not taking the opportunity to simplify it at that time |
| [23:17:21] | xris: | stuartm: the problem is that mythvideo and recordings aren't "tv" and "film". I record movies, and I have a bunch of exported/ripped TV series in mythvideo. |
| [23:17:21] | xris: | . |
| [23:17:46] | stuartm: | xris: we're talking about mythvideo exclusively now |
| [23:18:10] | xris: | what we really need is a separation between "watch once then delete" and "permanent storage, no way to delete" :) |
| [23:18:14] | xris: | ah |
| [23:18:15] | stuartm: | different, very slightly related subject |
| [23:18:50] | Seeker`: | stuartm: I'll talk to you about it on monday :) |
| [23:19:09] | stuartm: | I'm going to want a day off on Monday ;) |
| [23:22:09] | Seeker`: | heh |
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| [23:31:04] | ** xris has had too many days off ** | |
| [23:32:13] | xris: | so many random tabs in mythweb code. |
| [23:40:14] | xris: | there. have to keep up an occasional random commit for myself. :) |
| [23:43:38] | sphery: | Seeker`: File browse mode = a very bad thing and something /no one/ should enable. Disable flat view, however, is how you get the benefits of both--organizing your videos into directories/structures /and/ getting full access to metadata and such |
| [23:45:24] | stuartm: | sphery: he might be confusing 'sort by filesystem' with file browse mode? |
| [23:45:34] | Seeker`: | sphery: I didn't mean browse mode, I meant folder view |
| [23:45:47] | xris: | oh interesting. mythweb's auto-build translation stuff doesn't support strings stored in the db. |
| [23:46:06] | stuartm: | xris: oh, did we not tell you that your commit access rights expired a few days ago? |
| [23:46:22] | stuartm: | ;) |
| [23:46:35] | xris: | :P |
| [23:46:35] | sphery: | Seeker`: if you mean "folder view" = "Disable flat view", then, yeah, the only way you can disable flat view is to disable flat view? |
| [23:48:07] | stuartm: | mythvideo approaches the complexity of pbb in terms of the number of views/sorting and filtering combinations it allows |
| [23:48:35] | stuartm: | in fact strike that, I actually think mythvideo might beat PBB to that prize |
| [23:49:13] | sphery: | there are 3 "Views" in MythVideo that I know of "Gallery view", "List View" and "Browse View" (ignoring Manage View). In each view, you can (separately) enable or disable flat view (and you can (separately) enable or disable file browse mode) |
| [23:50:04] | stuartm: | yet, despite that it still fails to please people, I think that's evidence that you can't offer the perfect UI just by adding ever more configurability and choice |
| [23:50:14] | Seeker`: | sphery: I meant 'browse by'->'folder' |
| [23:50:21] | sphery: | there is no "Folder View", so I have to assume that you're likely thinking one of the 3 views (gallery/list/browse) shows folders because you've only disabled flat view on one view |
| [23:50:52] | sphery: | ok, then I think you just need to MENU|Disable Flat View on any/all views in MythVideo to see how to get them sorted (and disable the browse by stuff) |
| [23:51:01] | Seeker`: | I have got it disabled |
| [23:51:33] | Seeker`: | sphery: at the moment, You cannot look through a list of films only, sorted by year |
| [23:52:00] | xris: | now to figure out who to bribe to write me a "split recording at this mark" type of cultist point :) |
| [23:52:07] | Seeker`: | because it would involve either enabling both browse mode tv/film and browse mode year, or browse mode folder and browse mode year |
| [23:52:53] | sphery: | right, but you could create such a view by organizing your directories with Films/2005, Films/2006, etc... granted, it's not dynamic sorting, but it allows each user to sort things how they like |
| [23:53:52] | xris: | Beirdo: so.. how much work to move the build bot over to alcor? |
| [23:57:02] | Seeker`: | There are different things you should be able to configure in mythvideo. There should be 1 or more 'views' of the data. This is purely a theme issue. You should be able to choose whether you are shown TV or Movies, as they are fundamentally different – there may be different views for each type (whether this is done by increasing or decreasing the number of views available is a different matter), and you should be able to sort the videos by metadata (cu |
| [23:57:17] | Beirdo: | not too much |
| [23:57:50] | Beirdo: | basically, we shut off the bot, then sync over the database tables |
| [23:57:55] | Beirdo: | then I start it on alcor |
| [23:58:07] | Seeker`: | Saying that users should go through their n-thousand videos and rearrange them every time they want to change what type of metadata they sort by is a little silly |
| [23:58:42] | Beirdo: | the lucene stuff will be borked, but that's OK as it needs a rebuild anyways |
| [23:58:52] | Beirdo: | and we aren't actively searching with it |
| [23:59:55] | sphery: | Seeker`: well, I'm actually just saying that adding more views is silly because users (and developers--as I needed someone to explain it all to me) can't even figure out MythVideo with 3 views and flat "mode"/file browse mode/browse by/... |
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