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Friday, February 10th, 2012, 00:15 UTC
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[00:43:33] Seeker`: stuartm: got it working for images too; What other Widget types would be appropriate, those two are the obvious ones. I'll tidy up the code tomorrow evening then submit a ticket.
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[10:34:20] stuartm: seeker: text and images are the only ones I can think of for now
[10:35:11] seeker: stuartm: All of the code for being dependant on other widget ls
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[10:35:53] stuartm: nice work btw, and nice video – what did you use for the capture?
[10:35:58] seeker: In mythuitype, only the code for being the dependee is widget specific. I was wondering whether we might want visibility depending on checkboxes
[10:36:34] stuartm: hmm, yeah checkboxes would be a really good idea
[10:36:50] seeker: Thanks. Did you see the "pt2" video too? I can't remember the name of the app, will check when I'm next at that computer
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[10:38:41] seeker: I need to do a quick rewrite to pass the dependant->dependee map around in functions. It's a global variable ATM, which isn't great.
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[10:55:30] stuartm: I only saw one video
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[10:56:35] stuartm: found the second
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[11:18:17] seeker: stuartm: Is it possible to have a 'hidden' checkbox (so that it is on the page, has a value, but isn't visible or selectable)
[11:20:37] stuartm: seeker: it's possible, I don't think it's done anywhere yet
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[11:21:36] stuartm: I could see it being used for settings, check one box to enable a feature and it displays more checkboxes relating to the feature some of which maybe pre-checked
[11:21:53] seeker: stuartm: I was thinking it would be possible to start putting in UI customisation in the menus. Have, say, a "show info panel" checkbox
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[11:22:34] seeker: Then in the actual window include a checkbox which takes that value, but is hidden, and make the info panel depend on that
[11:23:19] seeker: Although that probably ties the codebase to a particular theme a little too much
[11:23:23] stuartm: seeker: how would that differ from the theme including or not including the panel?
[11:23:53] seeker: stuartm: User goes in to menu, decides whether they want the panel
[11:24:13] stuartm: seeker: they edit the xml?
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[11:26:47] seeker: No, I mean you have a menu with a checkbox that saves the value to the database. Database value is loaded in to a hidden checkbox in the video-UI.xml, and other elements depend on that checkbox. If the user selected the item in the menu, the dependant elements are displayed, if they didn't select it in the menu they are hidden
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[11:28:18] seeker: But thinking about it, it wouldn't allow theme authors to set it up directly, as it would involved codebase changes to add options
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[11:42:04] stuartm: seeker: if you have a setting in the database, you could have code to toggle the visibility instead of doing it in the theme, especially using groups (i.e. everything you want to hide goes into a special <group>
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[11:46:29] seeker: Hmm
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[11:48:20] seeker: I wonder if there is a way of
[11:48:37] seeker: Doing it without having to use the database
[11:48:45] stuartm: I've always argued that the theme should govern what is displayed, not the user, only that way will themes evolve to work out of the box for most people – you can't please everyone, no matter how much complexity in customisation you add so the challenge is to design a theme which achieves a best fit
[11:50:24] stuartm: there's much less work ultimately in having multiple themes written by more than one themer, each tailored to suit different groups and different use cases
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[11:51:11] stuartm: but that's a hard idea to convey well, I don't manage to convince everyone of that
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[11:54:28] seeker: I agree to an extent. Having options to configure, say, use font X for box Y, make the DVD covers n*m pixels is too much configuration, but it a few basic switches let more users get what they want from one thing
[11:54:54] seeker: S/thing/theme
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[11:56:14] seeker: Then I think it's a good thing. Stuff like "hide fanart" or "hide info panel" doesn't necessarily require a lot of work from the theme author (less so than writing a whole new theme)
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[12:06:25] seeker: stuartm: I do think that any such configuration should be up to the theme author though, rather than enforced, so they choose where they spend their dev time
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[12:13:25] seeker: stuartm: Would a spin box be useful too?
[12:15:02] seeker: I wonder if textedit boxes would be good too. Could hide buttons unless you have typed something etc.
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[13:32:49] stuarta_: they still not fixed the DDOS yet!
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[13:58:27] wagnerrp: heh, finally had enough?
[13:59:00] seeker: stuartm: Thanks
[13:59:03] stuartm: others had, I've always ignored join/part/quit messages
[13:59:38] wagnerrp: who is this EdWyse_Mobile?
[13:59:44] stuartm: they are always annoying, even when it's just normal traffic
[13:59:57] stuartm: wagnerrp: the NickServ username of JoeJulian
[14:00:04] wagnerrp: oh
[14:00:14] stuartm: [Whois] JoeJulian is logged in as EdWyse_Mobile.
[14:03:43] stuartm: jpabq: it seems fine, what impact does it have on existing themes like Terra?
[14:06:57] wagnerrp: has anyone let mythfilldatabase try to match channels with SD after a fresh scan recently?
[14:07:16] wagnerrp: because it really buggered mine
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[14:24:48] wagnerrp: also, when did you switch from 'Default' to 'Classic' as the initial menu theme?
[14:24:52] wagnerrp: s/you/we/
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[14:34:13] stuartm: huh?
[14:35:14] wagnerrp: im testing a patch, so i set up a fresh install with a fresh database
[14:35:26] wagnerrp: its defaulting to the 'classic' theme rather than the 'default' theme
[14:35:35] stuartm: that's not good
[14:35:44] wagnerrp: its defaulting to the 'classic' theme rather than the 'default' theme
[14:35:47] wagnerrp: wjpp[s
[14:35:49] wagnerrp: bah
[14:35:50] wagnerrp: whoops
[14:36:33] ** seeker moves wagnerrps right hand one key to the left **
[14:36:42] wagnerrp: aye
[14:36:57] wagnerrp: never did learn them fancy home keys
[14:37:24] seeker: Heh, me neither
[14:38:46] stuartm: it's making whatever comes first in the alphabetical list the default
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[14:47:24] wagnerrp: stuartm: thanks
[14:50:57] stuartm: note that I've not actually tested it, but it should do the trick
[14:52:04] wagnerrp: well, we'll find out soon enough if we start getting new users in a couple months with strange menu layouts
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[14:54:57] stuartm: I want to backport it, but I should check whether it's working first
[14:55:35] stuartm: wagnerrp: btw, how were the locale/language and DB connection steps? Anything we could improve there?
[14:56:13] wagnerrp: didnt notice anything significantly off
[14:56:29] wagnerrp: i can wipe my database and start over, see if i notice anything else strange
[14:56:39] stuartm: auto-detection of the backend worked?
[14:56:52] wagnerrp: havent tested it
[14:57:16] wagnerrp: i ran mythtv-setup and configured the database and config.xml before i ran mythbackend
[14:57:39] wagnerrp: ill have to blank them while the backend is running to try that out
[15:05:23] stuartm: I'd ask how the locale defaults worked, but our standard defaults are US centric anyway ;)
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[15:15:55] stuartm: hmm, I can actually test this by changing the frontend hostname to something new
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[15:19:53] stichnot: Someone reported here (yesterday?) that playing BDs/DVDs off the optical drive wasn't working. I'm seeing the same problem with all ISO rips.
[15:19:54] wagnerrp: Captain_Murdoch2: see mailing list, thats not what i was trying to describe
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[15:20:10] wagnerrp: i think that was seeker
[15:20:27] stichnot: e.g. DVDInfo: Failed to open device at myth://Videos@192.168.0.205:6543/0-Movies/DUMBO.iso
[15:20:55] stichnot: kids are very upset :)
[15:21:00] seeker: My problem is slightly different
[15:21:10] seeker: #10317
[15:22:35] seeker: It's ripped folders that I have a problem with
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[15:26:10] stichnot: OK. Then I would just add that ripped ISOs also have the problem
[15:32:08] seeker: stichnot: Not managed to get anyone to confirm my bug yet though :(
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[15:53:35] Captain_Murdoch2: wagnerrp, I think we're saying the same exact thing just in different words. :
[15:53:37] Captain_Murdoch2: :)
[15:56:30] Captain_Murdoch2: I don't want preload in mythfrontend, I'm not even sure if that's possible. the external command has its own libraries, etc, so it has to do the preload. basically, I see 1 setting and in my case, that might be set to "/home/mythtv/bin/mythmplayer.sh" and the contents of that script might be as simple as "LD_PRELOAD=/usr/local/lib/libmythpreload.so mplayer $*"
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[16:26:17] wagnerrp: something odd
[16:26:27] wagnerrp: i turned on EIT on this install, just to see what would happen
[16:26:49] wagnerrp: all of my guide entries are on february 4th and 5th
[16:27:19] wagnerrp: its the expected ~12 hours for all of them, but five days old
[16:29:30] wagnerrp: only one station is putting out proper times, but its full of gaps
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[16:32:02] stuartm: EIT in the US is getting worse? I didn't think that was possible from what I'd heard previously
[16:32:35] abqjp: stuartm: I only found one place in any of the default themes (MythCenter, Terra, default*) that used a relative buttonitem size. So, I think it is (relatively) safe to make that change.
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[16:34:02] stuartm: abqjp: yeah, I would have said to go ahead anyway, I just wanted to know what might need fixing afterwards
[16:34:58] abqjp: stuartm: Okay. I am going to commit it. I will include an update for that one spot.
[16:40:20] abqjp: stuartm: BTW, states in trees works nicely now. Thank you.
[16:56:12] danielk22: wagnerrp: what market are you in? Is PBS the channel with correct EIT?
[16:56:49] wagnerrp: nope, oddly its CBS, which in my market is awful
[16:58:02] wagnerrp: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=W80hT29G
[17:00:00] danielk22: hmm, it also looks like the GPS to UTC time conversion isn't being applied (everything starts 15 seconds late).
[17:00:42] danielk22: You may want to turn on -veit,siparser and see what is actually coming in on the wire..
[17:02:18] wagnerrp: log level?
[17:02:42] danielk22: info should be sufficient
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[18:43:41] MrGandalf: can someone remind me how to translate old commit numbers with new git?
[18:46:51] kormoc: /query MythLogBot svn 123
[18:47:22] MrGandalf: thanks :)
[19:08:10] stuartm: long time, no see
[19:26:22] wagnerrp: [123]
[19:26:22] MythLogBot: SVN 123: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/c6955ac5
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[19:54:01] wagnerrp: dblain: you around?
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[19:57:13] wagnerrp: nevermind, i found it
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[20:20:18] dblain: wagnerrp: I'm around for a few minutes in case you still need something.
[20:21:01] wagnerrp: nah, i was looking for the code that selected what IP address the frontend would return for upnp discovery
[20:21:12] wagnerrp: found it in programs/mythfrontend/mediarenderer.cpp
[20:21:39] wagnerrp: trying to force it to only accept IPv4 addresses
[20:22:47] Beirdo: that would be bad if you are only using IPv6 :)
[20:22:58] dblain: ah... why? shouldn't work with IPv6?
[20:23:24] Beirdo: well, UPnP is based on IPv4 multicast for discovery
[20:23:26] wagnerrp: UPNP devices dont support IPv6?
[20:23:29] Beirdo: problem 1
[20:23:50] Beirdo: it likely will cause us more things to chase
[20:23:56] Beirdo: but we gotta start somewhere
[20:23:57] wagnerrp: i mean myth's own autodiscovery doesnt mind if the backend sends it an IPv4 or IPv6 address
[20:24:06] dblain: I know my devices are sending out IPv6 addresses
[20:24:08] wagnerrp: but just about any hardware device wont know what to do with it
[20:24:20] Beirdo: yeah, but TVs might have issues
[20:24:24] Beirdo: etc.
[20:24:35] Beirdo: but we'll deal with them if that happens, I guess
[20:25:16] dblain: I'm fine with IPv4 only for upnp, I just know I've seen IPv6 address flying around my network when I packet sniff.
[20:25:34] dblain: (for upnp requests)
[20:25:49] Beirdo: yeah, it's probably gonna be one of those unknowns that we'll have to tweak a couple times in the future
[20:26:01] wagnerrp: likely from software running on PCs that doesnt care to prevent the use of IPv6
[20:26:16] Beirdo: I've seen some too, but we'll get the "but my device X won't do IPv6"
[20:26:20] Beirdo: or the like
[20:26:23] dblain: most likely (to both statement)
[20:26:42] Beirdo: and then we tell them... then configure both IPv4 and IPv6 on your backend
[20:26:45] Beirdo: NEXT!
[20:28:01] wagnerrp: dblain: anyway, i converted your HTTPServer stuff over to a 'ServerPool' that simulates a QTcpServer, but internally stores several of them
[20:28:06] dblain: Maybe when the Web Setup is done we will have a "Pick which networks to listen on" type setting that will give them a choice which cards to use and which IPv to use.
[20:28:18] wagnerrp: explicitly specifying what IP addresses it is going to listen on
[20:28:29] wagnerrp: bypassing the IPv6Only stuff
[20:28:47] wagnerrp: and in the case of the backend, only listening on localhost, and the specified server ip
[20:28:50] Beirdo: dblain: that's kinda what wagnerrp is working on the beginnings of now
[20:29:13] wagnerrp: theres the existing BackendServerIP, and a new BackendServerIP6
[20:29:25] wagnerrp: if those exist, it will only listen on those addresses (and localhost)
[20:29:34] wagnerrp: if not, it will listen on each address on the interface
[20:29:45] Beirdo: cool
[20:30:01] wagnerrp: rather than try to select the "best" address
[20:30:27] Beirdo: yeah, what we have now is causing minor mayhem :)
[20:31:15] dblain: wagnerrp: excellent... I know some use cases have internet facing interfaces which they don't want to listen/broadcast on. Sounds like your approach can be made to allow finer control over that?
[20:31:58] wagnerrp: dblain: right, if BackendServerIP(6) is specified for that host, it will restrict itself to that address only
[20:32:12] wagnerrp: frontends included
[20:32:15] ** dblain makes note to review commit to better understand the overall changes. **
[20:32:39] Beirdo: heh, yeah. We'll all have to re-educate ourselves a bit, but I like.
[20:33:50] Seeker`: stuartm: For checkbox, should dependants just be hidden if the checkbox is unselected?
[20:34:56] ** dblain heads out to replace his cars front wheel bearings :( ... will check back later. **
[20:35:09] Beirdo: gah! Real life work!
[20:35:31] wagnerrp: dblain: here are the two big changes of consequence that im going to commit
[20:35:59] wagnerrp: http://pastebin.com/Gtng3Jcj and http://pastebin.com/agj2p132
[20:36:41] wagnerrp: the ServerPool is set up to handle both TCP and UDP
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[20:37:15] wagnerrp: the rest of the changes are relatively minor, to drop that in place of QTcpServer and QUdpSocket
[20:37:43] wagnerrp: all told, i think 8–9 different individual socket servers that is replacing
[20:38:39] stuartm: Seeker`: hmm, yes, although it makes me think we need some logic to reverse that if required, i.e. depends="!foo"
[20:39:26] Seeker`: stuartm: I was wondering whether that could be tackled later. It might be easier to negate the wording for now in places it might be useful
[20:39:56] wagnerrp: dblain: forgot to mention, when you havent specified a ip address to use, it explicitly restricts itself to only private IP addresses
[20:40:10] wagnerrp: for the whole multi-homed system issue
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[20:43:21] davide_: Who worked on the smooth timestretch with predictive frame skipping? I'm pretty sure taylorr had a hand in it, but I also seem to remember jpabq being involved. I used it for the first time last night except for a tiny bit of testing when it was being worked on. Very, very nice work! I couldn't believe how smooth it was.
[20:46:46] MrGandalf: stuartm: yes :)
[20:46:48] Beirdo: I think it was the two of them together, but I don't remember either :)
[20:47:18] abqjp: davide_: Mark S wrote the original patch. taylorr was nice enough to review and commit it.
[20:47:49] davide_: abqjp: I forgot about Mark S. Thanks.
[20:49:13] abqjp: Mark Spieth has done some really nice work in that area. Timestretch would not be near as nice as it is, without him.
[20:49:45] Beirdo: Ahhh :)
[20:50:09] Beirdo: good to be corrected :)
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[20:59:06] danielk22: dblain: Last I checked the UPnP spec only supported IPv4... has that changed?
[21:02:54] wagnerrp: last i saw, theyve been "investigating it" since ~2008
[21:02:58] wagnerrp: but its never gone anywhere
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[21:13:17] Seeker`: stuartm: It would seem that checkboxes are stubborn
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[21:14:47] Seeker`: ah, nevermind, friday evening stupid
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[21:58:08] wagnerrp: Captain_Murdoch2: you have these detach() calls against QStringLists in storagegroup.cpp, but i cant find any reference to what that does in the qt documents
[22:03:01] stuartm: wagnerrp: it's undocumented, it prevents QT using soft copies – when you copy a QString it actually points to the same object instead of being two separate objects – this is because strings get passed around a lot and that behaviour saves a lot of memory but it's not entirely thread safe
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[22:05:31] stuartm: normally only if you modify the copy does QT actually perform the copy so that you aren't operating on the original – detach() does the same thing, it stops using a pointer to the original and creates a new string with it's own region of memory
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[22:07:14] stuartm: detach() is undocumented because Trolltech/Nokia don't think you should need to use it, QString does contain some logic so that if passed to a new thread it should, in theory, detach itself ... folks here don't trust that to happen
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[22:19:33] stuartm: Seeker`: nice work
[22:20:07] stuartm: I may have specified very carefully how it should work but it's still a nice surprise to see it turn out as I envisaged :)
[22:20:39] stuartm: and relatively quickly for someone new to that code
[22:25:11] Seeker`: stuartm: thanks :) it wasn't technically difficult, the solution was well defined and it was self contained code, so quite quick to get my head round it
[22:25:13] stuartm: fwiw, I didn't mean that to sound so patronising
[22:26:22] Seeker`: its the code that bounces up and down through 5 levels of inheritance across 10 files that makes my head spin :P
[22:28:01] stuartm: heh, yeah, the old settings code was a lot like that, multiple inheritance at each level too
[22:28:14] stuartm: headache inducing
[22:28:27] ** wagnerrp grumbles at the commit hook **
[22:28:45] wagnerrp: are we still on the old server?
[22:29:09] Beirdo: yes
[22:29:16] Beirdo: I'm telling you
[22:29:27] Beirdo: the way to fix it short term is to delete 0.26 milestone :)
[22:29:41] Beirdo: Of course, not the *right* way :)
[22:32:40] davide_: wagnerrp: how'd the 0.26 get in there?
[22:32:49] stuartm: http://miffteevee.co.uk/documentation/develop . . . omboBox.html http://miffteevee.co.uk/documentation/develop . . . ineEdit.html – those graphs actually make it seem better than it really is
[22:33:01] wagnerrp: thats it.... the commit hook is now forcing to 0.25 for master
[22:33:35] stuartm: Beirdo: could it not look at the completion status and date?
[22:33:58] stuartm: if we're looking for a solution ...
[22:34:02] Beirdo: I guess it could, wagnerrp wrote the code :)
[22:34:18] stuartm: wagnerrp: umm ^^
[22:34:23] Beirdo: that does sound doable though
[22:34:31] Beirdo: we'll have to adjust dates though.
[22:34:42] Beirdo: i.e. milestone dates (which we should anyways)
[22:34:51] stuartm: yeah, it might force us to keep the dates reflecting reality
[22:34:57] Beirdo: oh the horror
[22:35:20] Beirdo: I like that as the potentially correct way to deal with it
[22:35:35] wagnerrp: the problem is just all the different conditionals that need to be added for different scenarios
[22:35:53] Beirdo: yeah
[22:36:07] wagnerrp: yeah, we can check that for this current case
[22:36:12] wagnerrp: but then it wouldnt work for another case
[22:36:22] wagnerrp: so we add more checks for that case, and it breaks some other case
[22:36:23] Beirdo: stuartm: OK, now you are inspiring me to actually update some doxygen comments
[22:36:27] Beirdo: you evil man!
[22:38:14] stuartm: now that the cppcheck errors and many warnings are fixed, doxygen comments will be the next thing I gently apply pressure on people to fix ;)
[22:39:14] stuartm: first a script which reports the number of classes which are undocumented, then the number of public methods undocumented in each class ;)
[22:41:06] Beirdo: Sure, we should make a autobuild test for that :)
[22:41:32] xavierh: then who to blame ?
[22:41:35] danielk22: stuartm: I don't think we really want to document all the public methods in every class. "AddBlah — Adds Blah" is not beneficial... Now documenting every class I could get behind.
[22:41:45] Beirdo: As much as I tend to hate documenting, I do like good documentation, and it's fun to do sometimes
[22:41:57] stuartm: that was a joke, but it would be nice to get more of the code documented, in many cases class documentation is pretty simple and worthwhile
[22:42:15] Beirdo: danielk22: even for the basics, it can't hurt, but yeah, shouldn't be necessary for some of that
[22:42:32] Beirdo: describing the params though... is useful
[22:42:43] Beirdo: other than the bloody obvious
[22:43:07] Beirdo: wonder what "void setName(QString &name);" does?
[22:43:09] Beirdo: heh
[22:43:28] stuartm: I'd also like to look at different themes for doxygen, I think we can do better than the default and maybe we can achieve something closer to the qt docs which contain much the same information only it's arranged a little better
[22:44:29] stuartm: a lot of methods are self evident, especially if you've followed the example of existing code and the coding standards when naming stuff
[22:45:03] Seeker`: Beirdo: that one? Most likely creates an image with the x dimension 'name' :P
[22:45:30] Beirdo: true, but if it helps potential new blood... it has some purpose as well
[22:46:21] Beirdo: but yeah, we don't need to go overboard... but there are many classes with zero documentation, including a bunch I created
[22:47:19] stuartm: I still see stuff from time to time that is badly named, it's unclear what it does and sometimes why it's even in the public scope
[22:47:29] Beirdo: stuartm: whatever's in the script (in extras, I think) is what's configured to be used by the buildbot slave and rsynced to code.mythtv.org. Feel free to make style changes, etc, and do let me know if I need to upgrade it or anything
[22:47:54] Beirdo: or for that matter, if you wanted to run the slave. I don't mind spreading the load or anything :)
[22:47:59] stuartm: Beirdo: I can test out on my mirror first
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[22:52:50] stuartm: how often is the slave configured to run?
[22:57:42] Beirdo: umm, every 4h, think (dependant on commits)
[22:57:59] xavierh: stuartm: did you had time to look at #10092? I am wondering if this is the right way to go ....
[22:58:58] Beirdo: sorry, every 6h
[22:59:07] Beirdo: hour=range(0,24,6), minute=0,
[22:59:07] Beirdo: onlyIfChanged=True,
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[23:31:14] stichnot: danielk22: re #10194. The patch no longer needs the stuff you checked in for #10291. The font size issue from #10283 happens to be fixed as part of the refactoring (not something that can be separated out). The only thing left to potentially break out is the mythccextractor part, which is pretty obvious — the changes in mythccextractorplayer.{cpp,h} plus the ToSRT() function. Do you...
[23:31:16] stichnot: ...want that broken out?
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