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| [00:07:22] | danielk22: | stuartm: It doesn't look like m_totalTime is used at all, so maybe it should be removed instead? |
| [00:09:46] | stuartm: | hmm, yeah it's probably left over after the recent change to libcdio, so removing it is better |
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| [01:42:00] | danielk22: | stuartm: Are you sure the rssparse.cpp one is because of the Q_FOREACH macro? It looks to me like result isn't set if parents is empty. That may not happen in practice because parents can't be empty (I really don't know.) But there is no way for cppcheck to know that. |
| [02:01:49] | Captain_Murdoch: | rhpot1991, you can use mythtranscode in semi-hls mode to generate an unsegmented mpeg-ts file with h264 video and mp3 audio. no way to do it through the API yet though. |
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| [02:17:48] | knightr: | Hi! Can another dev please OK this ( http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/2109167 ) so that I can commit? Thank you in advance! |
| [02:29:40] | sphery: | knightr: looks like it's just adding translations and/or translation contexts, right? If so, I'd say that's firmly in your domain. |
| [02:30:19] | knightr: | sphery, yet it is but I cannot commit code (and neither can Kenni) unless it's reviewed by another dev... |
| [02:30:56] | sphery: | I was under the impression you guys could commit any translation code you want |
| [02:31:25] | sphery: | but, either way, it looks good to me |
| [02:31:29] | knightr: | nope, that was the restriction that was imposed to us when we were accepted as "devs"... |
| [02:32:20] | knightr: | Thank you Mike, can I mention that it was OKed by you in the commit message/and or if somebody asks? |
| [02:32:27] | sphery: | sure |
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| [02:32:46] | knightr: | oops, that should have been and/or... |
| [02:32:50] | knightr: | Thank you! |
| [02:33:05] | sphery: | thank you for improving the code :) |
| [02:37:52] | knightr: | :) I hope I can do more than this in the future but at least it's a start, with some luck maybe for 0.26... :) |
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| [05:27:55] | jya: | I'm hoping this channel won't become very quiet soon… I hope markk will reconsider |
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| [06:32:29] | stichnot: | Is anyone going to reveal why markk left? |
| [06:54:33] | Captain_Murdoch: | in case anyone else is/was debating answering, I sent stichnot a /msg privately. |
| [06:55:10] | wagnerrp: | heh... ditto |
| [06:56:37] | stichnot: | yes, thanks guys |
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| [07:58:43] | xris: | jya: and/or other devs who might follow him. but yeah, "in the code" vs "in a config file/db" seems like a petty thing to fuss over. |
| [07:59:21] | xris: | esp. when it's over a known group policy. |
| [08:00:39] | jya: | If you consider just that event, I agree that it's an overreaction.. But my guess is that it has just reached a point where he felt: no more |
| [08:04:55] | xris: | likely. I think "lack of management" can create some annoying conflict in a project like this. |
| [08:05:10] | xris: | or rather, "lack of management that everyone will listen to" |
| [08:05:49] | jya: | it's such a pity to be markk though, he's the one what has brought the most interesting technologies in of late. so many very cool things |
| [08:05:54] | xris: | yeah |
| [08:06:11] | xris: | agreed. |
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| [10:03:13] | stuarta: | sphery: stuartm: i'd actually have to test opengl playback on the mac, i currently only build it, not run it |
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| [10:14:42] | seeker_: | stuarta: Is it ok to pm you? |
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| [10:19:54] | stuarta: | only if it's actually personal, otherwise in channel please |
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| [11:16:26] | seeker: | I've been working on a patch for RAOP to enable password protection (to prevent people being annoying with it). I've got a "proof of concept" working, just need to make the password configurable and generate/store a random nonce. Is there any point me continuing with this if markk isn't around (would any other dev be happy committing the changes) |
| [11:51:44] | stuartm: | fwiw, I don't think Mark would mind me saying that the RAOP issue itself wasn't the reason for his leaving, it was the same reason he gave 18 months ago when he first decided to go and was talked into staying |
| [11:54:26] | stuartm: | as I understand his email to me, the argument and not the key issue itself, was the final straw |
| [11:56:51] | seeker: | :/ it's sad to see people leave |
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| [14:03:12] | stuartm: | danielk22: I think we need clear written rules on subjects such as drm/encryption circumvention, aides to piracy and the rest, if it's in the rule book/coding guidelines then we're less likely to have arguments over it every time a commit is made which someone finds to be troublesome |
| [14:05:44] | stuartm: | in fact written policies and procedures on all aspects of development would be of much more value than a 'steering' committee or triumvirate of developers issuing arbitrary rulings on an issue by issue basis |
| [14:07:10] | stuartm: | ultimately faster and less confrontational |
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| [14:19:36] | danielk22: | stuartm: I agree. The rub is finding someone to do the thankless work of writing up those standards and getting everyone to agree to them. |
| [14:23:31] | stuartm: | yup |
| [14:24:34] | stuartm: | for the sake of keeping this project on track I'll start on a draft when we hit the feature freeze |
| [14:25:50] | danielk22: | Thanks |
| [14:31:36] | stuartm: | it's not entirely thankless then ;) |
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| [14:38:45] | danielk22: | stuartm: In MythLocale we use MythDB::SetSetting(), but I'm removing that method as part of getting rid of mysql.txt support.. Will that cause problems? i.e. are we setting DB connection settings ? |
| [14:43:09] | stuartm: | I can't remember the reason for using both SetSetting and SaveSetting ... we aren't setting any DB connection stuff in the locale configs, just setting defaults for a number of things in the settings table |
| [14:44:00] | danielk22: | stuartm: Ok. I'm seeing something similar in MythContextPrivate::TempMainWindow() but there it looks like I can just use an override setting.. |
| [14:45:19] | stuartm: | danielk22: it might have been that SaveSetting didn't overwrite/clear the settings cache at the time, I probably copied the behaviour from somewhere else where both were used |
| [14:45:54] | stuartm: | I can't see a reason to keep it looking at it now |
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| [14:51:34] | ** stuarta hugs new broadband ** | |
| [14:59:37] | seeker: | stuarta: How fast? |
| [14:59:46] | stuarta: | 40Mb/10Mb |
| [15:00:25] | seeker: | BT infinity? |
| [15:01:16] | stuarta: | wholesaled so i get static ip and ipv6 native :) |
| [15:01:31] | seeker: | Ooooh |
| [15:01:39] | seeker: | How much is that? |
| [15:01:47] | danielk22: | Can libmyth use libmythui stuff or is it the other way around? |
| [15:01:49] | stuarta: | lets take this to -users |
| [15:02:44] | stuartm: | danielk22: libmyth can use libmythui, libmythui can use libmythbase |
| [15:03:44] | danielk22: | thx |
| [15:14:59] | stuartm: | the idea was that we'd drop libmyth once all the old UI/settings stuff had gone, but there are currently some common screens* in libmyth which don't have another natural home as long as mythtv-setup is around |
| [15:15:08] | stuartm: | *(language/locale setup, backend selection, storage group editor) |
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| [16:11:24] | seeker: | How would I go about adding a new setting to the database? |
| [16:12:19] | seeker: | Is it sufficient to just add the GUI elements to the globalsettings file in mythfrontend? |
| [16:15:08] | danielk22: | seeker: yep, that's sufficient. |
| [16:16:25] | seeker: | Cool. Any suggestion as to where RAOP password configuration would fit best? |
| [16:16:40] | seeker: | (http digest password) |
| [16:17:05] | danielk22: | General maybe? |
| [16:17:31] | seeker: | Yeah, that's what I was thinking |
| [16:17:36] | danielk22: | There are already some passwords there.. can we just reuse that? i.e. the PIN |
| [16:17:58] | seeker: | Potentially, yes |
| [16:18:29] | seeker: | Not sure if we want to force people to use both to get one though |
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| [16:21:22] | seeker: | danielk22: I'll code it up as separate options, then if/when it gets accepted it can be changed to use the existing one if people want. I need to find a dev that would be willing to commit a patch against the RAOP code |
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| [16:34:51] | stuartm: | seeker: Mark had planned a new setup screen just for the protocol (raop, telnet, upnp, airplay) related options e.g. enabling/disabling, passwords and the like, it seemed like a good idea but it's a little more work |
| [16:36:55] | seeker: | stuartm: So grab all of them that are there already and just put them on one new page? |
| [16:38:28] | stuartm: | yeah, or a new group of screens, put them all in one place where they are more easily found |
| [16:39:33] | seeker: | I can work on that if you'd like, but I would prefer to get the RAOP password stuff done/committed |
| [16:39:45] | seeker: | Before I start on that |
| [16:41:00] | stuartm: | sure, it was only a suggestion anyway |
| [16:43:42] | seeker: | I'm planning on finishing this RAOP stuff tonight anyway, so I'll be looking for something to do over the weekend anyway |
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| [17:06:25] | danielk22: | sphery: #10305, very lightly tested and not yet complete.. but long awaited. |
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| [17:21:02] | sphery: | danielk22: nice... I was hoping to get that one done for 0.25, but didn't think I'd be able to . |
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| [17:45:07] | jpabq_: | stuartm: This is the patch I have been running for the last couple of days: http://pastebin.com/pm4E7Rwj |
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| [17:47:48] | abqjp: | stuartm: I am at work, so I can't really investigate, but I just had a thought --- Why do the up/down arrowstates still seem to work correctly with that patch? With that patch the buttonitem statetype pulls the <buttonarea> instead of the <area>, but the arrowstates still seem to get the full <area> — which actually is the desired behavior, but surprises me…. I will have to look at that. |
| [17:49:44] | sphery: | stuarta: OK, thanks. If you get around to testing GL on OS X, please let me know if you want me to switch over profile groups to use it. |
| [17:50:12] | sphery: | and, anyone who uses OpenGL playback on GNU/Linux, I'd love to know what settings you've configured on your playback profiles |
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| [18:17:13] | stuartm: | danielk22: we should be able to drop oldsettings after removing mysql.txt support? |
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| [18:45:30] | danielk22: | stuartm: It's still used for a Qt settings read.. |
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| [19:01:08] | stuartm: | danielk22: ah, yeah I'd forgotten about that :/ ... the old Qt colour settings |
| [19:04:45] | sphery: | is that something we can get rid of and/or move into mythui themes? |
| [19:05:05] | sphery: | though I guess the qtlook.txt stuff has its own specific format and tools to create that format |
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| [19:16:00] | sphery: | then again, since Qt4's qtconfig seems to put stuff in ~/.config/Trolltech.conf, is the old stuff still necessary/working? |
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| [19:21:45] | stuartm: | sphery: it still works, it describes the colour of text, highlights and the background of the settings pages |
| [19:22:18] | stuartm: | though I don't know why we're loading it and not loading it through QT |
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| [19:32:57] | Captain_Murdoch: | stuartm, I wrote up a draft set of rules over a year ago, but getting people to agree or comment was like pulling teeth as I recall. |
| [19:35:06] | stuartm: | right, as I recall it combined developer rules with MythTV Foundation stuff, for the sake of keeping it simple I'd segregate those two things – the Foundation is a legal entity that doesn't concern day to day development |
| [19:37:12] | Captain_Murdoch: | I think we first need a concensus on the Foundation, that's another pulling-teeth moment. what do people want out of it, etc.. what leadership do people want. some want a lot, some little. it's hard to retrofit after we've grown this big. |
| [19:37:22] | ** Captain_Murdoch has to go afk for a while, he's not ignoring.... ** | |
| [19:42:51] | stuartm: | yeah, I've gone right off the idea of trying to impose leadership and I've never been keen on the Foundation being in any way concerned with the development side, I'd rather it operate as a silent partner to handle legal or monetary matters and no more than that |
| [19:50:01] | stuartm: | when we decided it was necessary to incorporate, or more accurately when it was recommended to us by a SFLC lawyer it was only to offer legal protection, the idea of allowing it to manage money from donations was a good one but I don't think we want a 'feature creep' situation where it slowly intrudes into other matters |
| [19:54:27] | stuartm: | for a start when we ask for volunteers to populate the board and held elections for officer roles it was never stated that the board would be replacing Isaac as a project manager, had anyone known that they might have chosen to put their name forward or voted differently |
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| [19:57:26] | stuartm: | the board with the necessary records to keep is also too slow of an instrument, already we have inactive/former devs as board members, no-one is going to be happy with them having the swing vote on matters such as the future direction of development |
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| [20:21:49] | Seeker`: | is anyone free to look over a patch quickly before I create a ticket, just to make sure I haven't done anything really stupid? |
| [20:30:03] | Seeker`: | http://pastebin.com/bFzq4Mih if anyone gets round to it |
| [20:32:51] | sphery: | Seeker`: at a glance, only thing that I dislike style-wise is the >80char lines |
| [20:34:27] | stuartm: | for QString use .isEmpty() rather than == "" |
| [20:35:46] | stuartm: | line 221, it's not necessary to use tr() with an empty string |
| [20:36:02] | stuartm: | you can't translate nothing |
| [20:37:41] | Seeker`: | thanks |
| [20:40:04] | Seeker`: | how strict is the >80char rule? |
| [20:44:11] | sphery: | I'm a big believer in that rule :) |
| [20:45:16] | danielk22: | Seeker`: I wouldn't knowingly commit anything with lines over 80 char, some others might allow 1 or 2 per 1000 lines. |
| [20:47:52] | stuarta: | Beirdo: i'm sure i've a recording or 6 somewhere that won't transcode |
| [20:48:48] | ** Seeker` plays with 'if' statements to get 4 more chars ** | |
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| [20:52:38] | stuartm: | Seeker`: there's an astyle config in the extras repo which conforms as closely as possible to the coding standards, it doesn't always match what a human would produce but it's still good for re-formatting existing code |
| [20:53:06] | stuartm: | https://github.com/MythTV/extras/blob/master/ . . . v_astyle.cfg |
| [20:56:47] | Beirdo: | stuarta: Hmm, would they fit onto a flash device of some sort? |
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| [20:57:17] | stuarta: | hmmm.... |
| [20:57:33] | stuarta: | i have several that are 10m kids programs |
| [20:57:47] | Seeker`: | stuartm: so if I run that over the files it should be a sufficient attempt at breaking up longer lines? |
| [20:58:47] | Beirdo: | what I'm thinking is that it would be easier to debug with them on my box :) |
| [20:59:10] | stuarta: | a tad over 500Mb |
| [20:59:20] | stuarta: | 576.4 |
| [20:59:43] | Beirdo: | ahh, maybe we could setup a download sometime later in the day as we both have non-sucky broadband now :) |
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| [20:59:52] | stuarta: | aye :) |
| [21:01:11] | stuarta: | what about the cutlist that goes with this? |
| [21:01:33] | Beirdo: | hmm, that would be useful |
| [21:01:42] | stuarta: | necessary |
| [21:01:48] | Beirdo: | pretty much |
| [21:01:50] | stuarta: | otherwise it won't trigger AFAIK |
| [21:03:15] | stuartm: | long lines might be the one thing astyle doesn't handle now that I think about it (and look at the config) |
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| [21:04:02] | stuartm: | Beirdo: that's right, I was going to send you some stuff for commflag debugging ... |
| [21:05:11] | Seeker`: | stuartm: got a whole load of extra changes in the diff now where it altered marks code too |
| [21:05:18] | danielk22: | sphery: I uploaded a new version that incorporates all the standard settings from mysql.txt |
| [21:05:56] | danielk22: | sphery: It doesn't yet pull in those mysql.txt settings and put them in the xml file. |
| [21:06:08] | stuartm: | Seeker`: uh, yeah, oops ... |
| [21:06:30] | danielk22: | sphery: I also changed the format for the xml.. tell me if you think it is more logical this way or if the format should be different. |
| [21:08:24] | stuarta: | Beirdo: it's uploading atm |
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| [21:11:40] | Beirdo: | stuartm: yeah, no huge rush until 0.25 is out though |
| [21:11:54] | Beirdo: | I think my efforts would be better spend bug-fixing in the mean time :) |
| [21:20:57] | stuarta: | Beirdo: what data tables do you need? |
| [21:21:31] | Beirdo: | probably the recordedseek and recordedmarkup entries for the files |
| [21:21:44] | Beirdo: | which I may have mistyped :) |
| [21:28:01] | Seeker`: | sphery: stuartm: attempt #2 http://pastebin.com/3kNYqKm8 |
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| [23:26:16] | JRandolph: | Would I be able to use this card – http://goo.gl/6Vldj – for DirecTV |
| [23:26:44] | kormoc: | JRandolph, You want #mythtv-users (as per /topic) |
| [23:26:52] | JRandolph: | Sorrry |
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| [23:38:18] | sphery: | danielk22: settings for night mode are fine, as long as they're not buried out-of-easy reach in the settings screens--i..e make them "live settings" so that if you're doing playback in night mode and you change brightness, it saves that value right then and there (as opposed to having to go into Utilities/Setup|Media|TV Settings|Playback|... and try to find the right setting to change, then go back to playback to test it, then go back to ... |
| [23:38:24] | sphery: | ... settings...) |
| [23:38:54] | sphery: | at least that's what I'm trying to push with the settings rework--use settings where appropriate/necessary, but don't bury them in an "offline" settings screen |
| [23:39:24] | sphery: | (that said, if the setting isn't appropriate or necessary, that's fine, too--like if you're just scaling the day mode setting or something) |
| [23:40:21] | sphery: | just wanted to make it clear that I won't come after people who add settings as long as they're sensible and implemented such that it's easy to use |
| [23:42:40] | Seeker`: | someone is implementing a night mode? |
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