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| [00:44:52] | frtorres: | moin |
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| [00:46:09] | frtorres: | spent days trying to set up a saa7134 analog tv card that worked just fine 2 years ago. |
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| [00:47:07] | frtorres: | I found in some threads that it seems taht since kernel .38 v4l1 was removed. |
| [00:47:10] | wagnerrp: | shouldnt have bothered |
| [00:47:23] | wagnerrp: | v4l1 was removed, v4l2 remains and works just fine |
| [00:47:33] | wagnerrp: | but nether should be used to capture video in mythtv |
| [00:47:53] | frtorres: | compiled mythtv .24 and trunk from svn but after I configure. I got no v4l support |
| [00:48:40] | wagnerrp: | well theres your first problem |
| [00:48:46] | wagnerrp: | you compiled from svn |
| [00:49:23] | wagnerrp: | we havent used subversion since the beginning of december |
| [00:49:25] | iamlindoro: | also a problem is the wrong channel |
| [00:49:27] | wagnerrp: | (in 2010) |
| [00:49:35] | wagnerrp: | hmm... so it is |
| [00:49:38] | wagnerrp: | didnt even notice |
| [00:50:01] | wagnerrp: | frtorres: you want #mythtv-users |
| [00:50:28] | frtorres: | mm ok changing now |
| [00:50:51] | frtorres: | anyway thanks for your help |
| [00:51:15] | frtorres: | bye |
| [00:53:42] | frtorres: | compiled mythtv .24 ald latest trunk from svn but after I configure. I got no v4l support. Even If I explicitly enable that support |
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| [02:33:45] | Madams9_: | My Mythbox seems to be laboring while flagging commercials. Temperatures rise, watching video playback starts to stutter, the 3.4 GHz dual core and 1GB of RAM just don't seem to be keeping up. I'm considering not flagging commercials automatically and just setting up a job to run at, like, 3:00 in the morning. Good idea or not a good idea? |
| [02:35:06] | Madams9_: | Wait, wrong channel. Sorry! |
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| [05:26:38] | sphery: | http://mythtv.github.com/ ... Something we should do? (Noticed GRML has one at http://grml.github.com/ , so wondered if we did...) |
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| [07:35:30] | markk: | stuartm: what font did you use for that theme preview? |
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| [08:45:15] | Beirdo: | stuartm: you around? |
| [08:45:17] | dekarl: | sphery: but that's just a website hosted at github, mythtv has plenty of websites already ;) (you could move www.mythtv.org there if you like) |
| [08:47:19] | Beirdo: | stuartm: to kill off that blasted warning (hundreds of times): does this look OK to you? |
| [08:47:31] | Beirdo: | http://www.beirdo.ca/~gjhurlbu/test/killwarning.diff |
| [08:49:05] | Beirdo: | another option is to make that a pure virtual, but there is likely a reason NOT to do that :) |
| [08:51:06] | Beirdo: | anyways, if you see this after I'm gone, feel free to steal it and check it in ;) Hundreds of silly warnings. blech |
| [08:54:59] | stuartm: | that's fine :) |
| [08:57:29] | markk: | why is that warning in the plugin build and not core? |
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| [10:09:26] | Beirdo: | markk: not sure, it might be a symbol visibility thing? Anyways, I need to go sleep. |
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| [11:31:57] | stuartm: | aww, smart is now reporting one of my older drives is failing, not the news I want to hear when drive prices are at a record high |
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| [11:48:01] | Seeker`: | stuartm: how big is the drive that is failing? |
| [11:51:04] | stuartm: | tiny really, 250GB, but I'm already short on space – time to delete a couple of boxsets until I can buy a replacement drive and re-rip them |
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| [11:53:57] | Seeker`: | surely it is more costly to you to re-rip the sets than to get a new drive? |
| [11:55:39] | Seeker`: | or, rather, more costly than the potential price drop in the drive once production catches up again |
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| [12:02:31] | stuartm: | prices are currently more than double, for a 2TB drive that's £50–60 more than 4 months ago (or $78–92) – is the time I'd spend re-ripping worth more? Maybe, but it's still hard to justify spending twice the normal price for something even so |
| [12:03:11] | stuartm: | if I pull the failing drive from the NAS then hopefully it will still be functioning well enough to recover the content when I do get a new drive |
| [12:05:18] | Seeker`: | I'm glad I got 4x2TB drives in august now. Still got 4.5T free |
| [12:15:15] | stuartm: | I was buying drives as needed, ordinarily it would be cheaper that way as the prices usually only go down :) |
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| [12:36:34] | Seeker`: | great job on the animation stuff |
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| [14:18:29] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, if anything, we could just put a redirect there to send people to www.mythtv.org |
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| [14:50:05] | ** stuarta yawns ** | |
| [14:57:42] | stuarta: | \o/ finally a full complement of buildslaves |
| [14:58:59] | Seeker`: | \o/ |
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| [16:20:31] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: Yeah, I was thinking a redirect to either the github project page ( https://github.com/MythTV ) or the mythtv repo ( https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/tree/ ), so I can get to source from memory without having to go through http://code.mythtv.org/ , first. :) |
| [16:21:09] | sphery: | or, even just a redirect to http://code.mythtv.org/trac |
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| [16:42:50] | Peitolm: | stuarta: including arm? |
| [16:47:14] | stuarta: | what we have configured is all operating :) |
| [16:47:26] | stuarta: | for ages the OSX slave was configured but not working |
| [16:47:40] | stuarta: | then i fixed it and Beirdo's mingw builder went walkies |
| [16:47:48] | stuarta: | now that's back, all configured slaves are building |
| [16:48:09] | stuarta: | so, no, no arm :) |
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| [17:43:06] | stuartm: | no foul |
| [17:50:29] | wagnerrp: | apparently the ubuntu guys are doing build tests on ARM |
| [17:51:05] | stuartm: | never seen this before, make was still running but all the gcc processes had died for some unknown reason so it just sat there doing nothing |
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| [18:14:27] | superm1: | the arm builds only happen when they're uploaded to the ubuntu archive, we don't have one of the fancy arm PPA builders |
| [18:14:36] | natanojl: | markk: Thank you for committing and improving the animation patch! |
| [18:18:44] | markk: | natanojl: no problem – still needs some work though! |
| [18:23:26] | stuartm: | natanojl: thank you for writing it in the first place! |
| [18:29:36] | markk: | natanojl: indeed – thanks again:) |
| [18:30:20] | natanojl: | markk, stuartm: You are welcome :) |
| [18:31:21] | iamlindoro: | natanojl: Just started looking at it last night-- it's a great start towards what we've been wanting for a long, long time-- any chance of convincing you to document it at: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Theme_Development ? |
| [18:31:55] | iamlindoro: | I would do so myself but haven't had an adequate chance to learn it yet, and it may be a number of weeks before I internalize it all and actually find time to add it to the docs |
| [18:39:00] | natanojl: | iamlindoro: Sure, I can start working on it during the weekend |
| [18:39:19] | iamlindoro: | That would be awesome, thanks a lot |
| [18:52:43] | Beirdo: | stuarta: yeah, it likes to take unplanned vacations |
| [18:53:38] | Beirdo: | If/when the Tegra3 + CUDA capable GPU devel board hits the market, if I get one, we can likely make it our slave too. |
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| [18:56:23] | Beirdo: | http://www.cnx-software.com/2011/12/20/nvidia . . . lopment-kit/ |
| [18:56:26] | Beirdo: | that one |
| [18:56:35] | Beirdo: | now they've actually named it |
| [18:59:44] | wagnerrp: | why the quadro? |
| [19:00:10] | Beirdo: | why not? |
| [19:00:40] | wagnerrp: | i suppose someone might want such a thing for supercomputing applications? |
| [19:01:20] | wagnerrp: | use a tegra as an IO processor and scheduler, feeding a big GPU? |
| [19:01:28] | Beirdo: | that's what it's originally designed for |
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| [19:01:43] | Beirdo: | but I wanna use it for playing... |
| [19:01:58] | Beirdo: | gotta wait a few months to see how they price it |
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| [19:02:14] | wagnerrp: | when you have more graphics than system memory, you know youve done something wrong |
| [19:02:14] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [19:02:34] | Beirdo: | it doesn't |
| [19:02:38] | Beirdo: | it's 2G/2G |
| [19:02:57] | wagnerrp: | shush, theyre close |
| [19:03:04] | Beirdo: | yup, getting there |
| [19:04:45] | wagnerrp: | seems that is roughly equivalent to a GT430 |
| [19:04:54] | Beirdo: | yeah, about that |
| [19:05:07] | Beirdo: | except only connected by PCIe x4 |
| [19:05:12] | wagnerrp: | right |
| [19:05:16] | wagnerrp: | PCIe 1.0 even |
| [19:05:17] | Beirdo: | as that's all the Tegra3 supports (IIRC) |
| [19:05:23] | wagnerrp: | thats still 1GB/s |
| [19:05:29] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [19:05:40] | Beirdo: | better than 1x :) |
| [19:06:54] | wagnerrp: | with 2GB of memory and only 270GFLOPs, that should be plenty of bandwidth for most things |
| [19:07:51] | wagnerrp: | just have to make the work units small and long duration |
| [19:09:01] | Beirdo: | yeah, and not send crap GPU<->CPU often |
| [19:09:42] | Beirdo: | I think I'll be getting back to the gpucommflag soon |
| [19:10:30] | Beirdo: | but it can hold off for 0.25 bugfixing, of course |
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| [20:01:36] | markk: | 2 hours of my life wasted because I didn't set the number of audio channels properly – but AirTunes now working:) |
| [20:03:05] | wagnerrp: | thats the thing where apple devices can autodetect and push content to mythfrontend? |
| [20:04:21] | markk: | yup – currently streaming some music to the frontend from my iphone. |
| [20:04:48] | stuartm: | markk: stop working so hard, it's making the rest of us look bad |
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| [20:59:01] | taylorr: | markk: nice! |
| [21:03:12] | stuartm: | any objections to extending mythutil so it can grab resolution/codec info for video files? |
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| [21:04:42] | sphery: | Using null-device playback (versus just reading from DB)? If so, no objections from me as long as mythutil can still be used without an X display--at least for other stuff. |
| [21:05:59] | sphery: | If it would change it so that a display is required, I'd prefer it go in a different binary. |
| [21:07:00] | wagnerrp: | it shouldnt |
| [21:07:06] | wagnerrp: | mythcommflag/mythtranscode dont |
| [21:07:11] | sphery: | (have to admit I haven't tried other apps--like mythcommflag or mythtranscode in no-display environments, but I'm guessing they work, so you can probably ignore me) |
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| [21:26:56] | stuartm: | sphery: we can't read that info back from the database since it's not there to begin with, we need a method of obtaining the info to place it in the db in the first place |
| [21:28:11] | stuartm: | for recordings we read that info during the recording process |
| [21:30:08] | stuartm: | since the general preference is to farm tasks like this out to separate apps via sys calls instead of keeping it internal mythutil or mythtranscode seem like logical choices – mythutil already has functionality to read/dump mpeg/DVB tables which is the same thing so ... |
| [21:31:26] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: there is limited such data available through the recordedmarkup table |
| [21:31:40] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: for recordings, not videos |
| [21:31:57] | wagnerrp: | ah, didnt know you were specifying |
| [21:33:27] | stuartm: | I'm just looking to match that for videos so we can be consistent about what is displayed in the UI/OSD |
| [21:33:43] | wagnerrp: | my only concern about all of that is in regards to variable resolution/framerate content |
| [21:34:17] | wagnerrp: | every similar application ive ever seen just pulls whatever exists at the beginning of the file, and leaves it at that |
| [21:34:34] | wagnerrp: | i believe our current markup information for recordings is no different |
| [21:35:06] | wagnerrp: | although for most people, that should be sufficient |
| [21:35:44] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: it's not, we look at the entire recording and use the dominant aspect/resolution |
| [21:36:02] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [21:36:55] | stuartm: | but for video that's not really worth doing, inspecting the whole file is slow and for DVD rips etc the resolution/aspect should be consistent (we'd need different rules for ISO but I'm ignoring that for now) |
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| [21:39:57] | stuartm: | what we could do for video is statistical sampling, pick X points through the video |
| [21:40:44] | stuartm: | that would be better than just looking at the first frame (or the 100th) |
| [21:42:52] | wagnerrp: | sphery had planned new tables specifically to store such information, but thats not going to happen until 0.26 |
| [21:43:09] | wagnerrp: | if you intend to do this in the near term, it may be work doing it in a manner that could be adapted over |
| [21:43:25] | wagnerrp: | s/work/worth/ |
| [21:50:18] | markk: | stuartm: just pick a few frames at semi-random points in the file and take the largest value. probably as useful as it will get:) |
| [21:53:04] | sphery: | yeah, I think we'll still want an app to determine the info--even if we store that info for recordings/video in our database, it's still useful to have the app for other video (not to mention for until we get the new schema in use) |
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