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| [02:30:35] | taylorr: | jpabq-: is livetv still broken in master for the HD-PVR (and any other analog recorder)? |
| [02:30:50] | taylorr: | wanting to upgrade but no livetv is a deal breaker |
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| [02:38:11] | abqjp: | taylorr, livetv could be better with the HD-PVR. It may just be *my* HD-PVRs that are doing this, but I am guessing not. What happens to me, is, the signalmonitor tells the HD-PVR to start recording, and retries until the HD-PVR starts producing a good data stream (The HD-PVR will not produce a good data stream, if the STB is not sending good video). After the signalmonitor indicates that the HD-PVR is happy, mpegrecorder does a quick check of |
| [02:38:11] | abqjp: | the video resolution, and then starts recording. |
| [02:39:46] | abqjp: | The problem is, that after Myth thinks the recording should be able to proceed correctly, the HD-PVR stops sending data. This results in a poll-timeout, which results in mpegrecorder telling the HD-PVR to re-start the recording. This results in a glitch near the beginning of the "recording", that livetv freaks out over. |
| [02:40:14] | taylorr: | abqjp: my hd-pvr recordings all seem to have a glitch |
| [02:40:44] | abqjp: | For a "recording", that glitch at the beginning is no big deal. For livetv, it is. |
| [02:41:19] | abqjp: | I have found that if I set the poll-timeout to be only 1 second (instead of 2.5 seconds), then that allow livetv to weather the glitch. Otherwise LiveTV just hangs. |
| [02:41:28] | taylorr: | abqjp: hmmmm, that's interesting... when I tried the newer firmware the glitch seemed to go away |
| [02:41:41] | abqjp: | I am not running the latest firmware.... |
| [02:42:38] | taylorr: | abqjp: do you think there is a way to avoid the startup glitch? |
| [02:42:55] | abqjp: | I am thinking there must be, but I don't know how. |
| [02:43:37] | taylorr: | so basically us restarting the recording is the isse? |
| [02:43:39] | taylorr: | issue |
| [02:43:53] | abqjp: | daniel says that he does not have that problem — however he is using an IR blaster with his Dish STB, and he has a long sleep built in, to allow the channel changes to finish. That long sleep may be why he does not see it. |
| [02:44:16] | abqjp: | Yes. restarting is what cause the glitch. I don't know if it is a timestamp issue, or what... |
| [02:45:50] | abqjp: | I don't know if the HD-PVR stops "encoding" because of instability in what the STB is sending (maybe it is not really settled down after the channel change?), or if there is something wrong with the sequence of commands we are sending the HD-PVR. Or if it is a problem with the firmware in the HD-PVR. |
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| [02:47:06] | abqjp: | This problem did not exist prior to the 0.24 release, but I don't know when it started. I just noticed it a few months ago, because I generally don't use LiveTV. |
| [02:48:30] | taylorr: | I'm having issues getting the kernel driver changes to be committed upstream by the linux-media devs – they seem worse than ffmpeg |
| [02:49:02] | taylorr: | it'd be nice if people could use the latest firmware with a standard kernel |
| [02:49:29] | taylorr: | the changelogs for the firmware indicate it might be much improved with regards to stability |
| [02:51:02] | abqjp: | taylorr, I fully intended to give the new firmware a try (and get it working with Myth), but had enough issues that I could not really work on it "in production". Sometime I will setup one of my HD-PVRs in a test environment, and get it worked out. |
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| [03:04:39] | taylorr: | abqjp: which theme are you updating for the new mythmusic? |
| [03:08:28] | abqjp: | It is my own. I am probably about 1–2 weeks away from submitting it. |
| [03:09:03] | taylorr: | abqjp: Awesome! |
| [03:11:57] | abqjp: | taylorr, it requires some 0.25 features. I know you are still running 0.24, otherwise I would send you a preview. |
| [03:12:32] | taylorr: | abqjp: I run 0.25 on my laptop (dev box) |
| [03:14:28] | taylorr: | got it, thanks |
| [03:14:54] | abqjp: | Still needs some polishing, but it is getting close. |
| [03:33:48] | taylorr: | abqjp: it looks very nice... I'm sure it will be popular |
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| [07:58:12] | dekarl: | stuartm: (mashing up some an example so it doesnt get to long) we have channels that run only mon-fri 9–5 (and not on public holidays) so give it thursday 1700 to monday 0900 => the scanner needs to keep vanished channels at least 88 hours in that example. a week is about twice that and on the safe side |
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| [08:09:15] | dekarl: | but it would be lots better to help the broadcaster fix their stuff... we got a new time share channel on DVB-T and they transmit channel a's EIT half the time but the full 24h. channel b is not transmitting EIT so in the end of the day mythtv has 24h worth of guide data (channel a) and will happily record channel b half of the day with channel a's guide :( |
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| [09:20:09] | stuarta: | morning |
| [09:21:25] | stuarta: | Peitolm: i'm getting it working for the buildslave. no idea if it runs |
| [09:21:43] | Peitolm: | ah |
| [09:22:32] | Peitolm: | it was complaining about multiple QT libraries, ones in the package and ones in .osx-packager, I solved it with an mv .os-packager .os-packager.old |
| [09:22:56] | stuarta: | odd, never seen that before |
| [09:23:01] | Peitolm: | of course I've also had to upgrade my backend, which completed over night, so i'll report back later to see if it works |
| [09:23:14] | Peitolm: | the errors were visible in console.app |
| [09:23:26] | ** stuarta remember he needs to checking net.buildbot.slave.mythtv ** | |
| [09:23:47] | Peitolm: | but it did fireup and do the backend connection dialogue |
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| [10:38:08] | Jovaro: | Hi, is it possible to control when user jobs are run? I would like to run my user job while the program is recording is that possible? |
| [10:41:00] | Jovaro: | maybe this question fits better in #myhtv-users... I'll try there |
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| [11:27:49] | Peitolm: | stuarta: might if i pm you? |
| [11:43:09] | stuarta: | only if it's actually personal |
| [11:44:14] | stuarta: | otherwise in channel please |
| [11:52:05] | Peitolm: | stuarta: do you have access to a 10.8 box at the moment? |
| [11:53:39] | stuarta: | no i don't |
| [11:55:21] | Peitolm: | I should be getting an xserve tonight that i'll be putting lion on, and might be able to spin up a vm for build testing if I can work out how buildbot works, would that be useful? |
| [11:56:20] | stuarta: | indeed. |
| [11:57:02] | stuarta: | i need to update the osx buildslave profile to not use osx-packager |
| [11:57:12] | stuarta: | which i'm going to try to do tonight |
| [11:57:56] | Peitolm: | o.k. well, i'll peruse the buildbot docs, and see if i can work out the best way to do it |
| [11:58:06] | stuarta: | tho you wouldn't really need to spin up a VM |
| [11:58:16] | stuarta: | the buildslave is fairly self contained |
| [11:58:26] | Peitolm: | it'll take about 45mins per build (the xserve is a early 2008, dual 2.8 4G machine) |
| [11:58:43] | stuarta: | it install ccache :) |
| [11:58:49] | stuarta: | installs |
| [11:59:12] | stuarta: | that's still newer than mine, it's a dual 1.3Ghz mini |
| [12:01:08] | Peitolm: | it doesn't seem to be a buildbot FAQ, but does the master need to have accounts on the slaves, or can the slaves spin up, poll the master for work and then report success (which seems logical) |
| [12:01:34] | stuarta: | the later, buildbot.net has all the answers |
| [12:01:54] | stuarta: | but basically there's a pre-shared key per build slave |
| [12:02:01] | stuarta: | which talk back to the master for work |
| [12:02:22] | stuarta: | and the master monitors git for changes and queues builds on a commit |
| [12:02:48] | Peitolm: | hm, i'm looking at trac.buildbot.net i've read the FAQ, next step is the manual |
| [12:03:01] | stuarta: | manual isn't bad |
| [12:03:05] | ** stuarta heads to lunch ** | |
| [12:03:06] | Peitolm: | but as you describe it, it would work how i would hope |
| [12:03:13] | Peitolm: | ditto, pubbage time |
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| [16:01:35] | stuartm: | tgm4883, superm1: thank you |
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| [16:18:36] | Seeker`: | eoukd there be any objections to adding jump points which allow browse mode for videos to be defined? |
| [16:19:26] | Seeker`: | and would there be any objections to adding "TV only" and "movie only" browse modes |
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| [16:57:39] | markk: | Seeker`: aren't those just filters? |
| [17:04:31] | tgm4883: | dblain, I see you did the node text elements for the services API. Regarding the description field, I'm having issues with Python elementtree because the description isn't right after <Program> and instead shows up later. If you want, I can submit a patch to wrap the description in the proper tags, providing that is an acceptable fix |
| [17:05:16] | tgm4883: | Example http://mythbuntu.org/files/test.xml |
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| [17:06:14] | tgm4883: | I'm unsure if the XML spec requires it a certain way, but elementtree does not like it at that location. If I manually move it to right after <Program> it works as one would expect |
| [17:07:13] | tgm4883: | I believe the bit of code that would need changed is the 5 lines accounting for the one off at https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . zer.cpp#L125 |
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| [17:16:00] | Seeker`: | markk: there is a TVMovie browse mode "BRS_TVMOVIE" which creates two virtual folders a d populates them |
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| [17:17:34] | Seeker`: | not had a chance to loo at my system to check what filters are available, but i have seen code to switch to a specific view with a specific browse mode |
| [17:18:01] | Seeker`: | and .no correspondingcodefor a filter |
| [17:19:35] | Seeker`: | (using ssh+irssi on my phine, aplogies for spelling) |
| [17:23:12] | Seeker`: | most of the code for what i want is there, i think i just need a way of adding N_views x M_browse-modes as jump points in a nice way |
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| [18:15:00] | dblain: | tgm4883: Submit a patch with your proposed fix and I'll take a look. |
| [18:15:11] | tgm4883: | dblain, will do |
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| [20:42:26] | davide: | has anyone heard from danielk22 today or know if he's unavailable today/this weekend? |
| [20:57:22] | stuartm: | http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/nova_nivelo.png < Honest opinions please – Is it worth my time to work on this or have I got it all wrong? |
| [21:01:06] | jams: | Love the purple, but I would probably swap the two panels( list and description). Sure that doesn't follow the left->right convention but I find it much easier to read |
| [21:01:33] | jams: | at least on a wide screen |
| [21:02:33] | jams: | Mostly because the list of titles would start in the middle of the screen |
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| [21:05:07] | GreyFoxx: | stuartm: That looks nice :) |
| [21:32:45] | taylorr: | stuartm: yes, it looks very cool! |
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| [22:02:07] | stuartm: | jams: I'll experiment with that, I can see what you're saying |
| [22:02:47] | stuartm: | jams, GreyFoxx, taylorr: thanks for the feedback |
| [22:07:04] | dekarl: | stuartm: I like it, but I'm wondering if the free disk space is that interesting or if the space can be better used to give the synposis more room (more words, bigger font), also the 5/431 could make room for other stuff |
| [22:08:29] | dekarl: | maybe more fanart could life in the gained space, dunno |
| [22:09:06] | stuartm: | I had real trouble filling the space, my concern about the description is that although in the UK we can have some pretty long ones in the US I'm told they are generally very short so there would be a large void |
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| [22:09:55] | jams: | often they are short, but once in awhile you will the very long description |
| [22:10:10] | stuartm: | dekarl: I'm keeping the fanart deliberately lean because it's not available for everyone (especially for TV) or the privacy concious who disabled it for recordings |
| [22:10:22] | taylorr: | stuartm: so will the right/left arrows switch between recordings groups? |
| [22:10:29] | stuartm: | taylorr: yes |
| [22:10:36] | taylorr: | nice! that will be very handy |
| [22:10:56] | dekarl: | hmm, I have extending the tvdb grabber to fanart.tv on "the list" but not knowing python is a bit of a handicap ;) http://fanart.tv/shows/?id=167591 maybe I can talk wagn errp into taking a look at it :) |
| [22:11:34] | dekarl: | i see, didn't look at it that way |
| [22:11:50] | taylorr: | stuartm: any ideas for the OSD yet? |
| [22:12:52] | stuartm: | taylorr: nope, I hadn't got that far, I wanted to see if there was interest in the concept before investing too much time |
| [22:13:15] | dekarl: | I have some ideas for interesting information, but it'd need supporting code... (like available audio languages, would look nice with more flags) |
| [22:13:56] | dekarl: | otoh, have some free space isn't wrong either |
| [22:14:45] | taylorr: | stuartm: another question, so in a recording group is it just a flat list? |
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| [22:15:58] | taylorr: | so if I just want to just show "The Office" episodes how would I do that |
| [22:16:57] | stuartm: | there is obviously info I've deliberately omitted which historically has appeared in many themes, I'd like to keep the UI uncluttered and that means justifying ever piece of info displayed – e.g. I've left out channel for two reasons, 1) it's rarely important after the recording is made 2) if the channel is deleted from the DB because it stops broadcasting or you move to a different source then we lose the icon/name/number to display in the UI |
| [22:16:58] | stuartm: | anyway |
| [22:17:22] | markk: | stuartm: nice – but how did I miss Blade Runner? |
| [22:17:33] | Seeker`: | markk: you mean you dont have it on DVD? |
| [22:17:33] | stuartm: | markk: it's a concept, so you didn't ;) |
| [22:17:54] | markk: | :) |
| [22:18:03] | stuartm: | I just needed a film in the list and it was the first one to come to mind |
| [22:18:32] | stuartm: | markk: I recorded the director's cut in HD earlier this year (yet to buy the Blu-ray/DVD) |
| [22:19:08] | stuartm: | taylorr: you can 'group' by several criteria, I prefer genre/category but you can use title instead which I know many people do (it might even be the default? |
| [22:19:13] | stuartm: | ) |
| [22:19:16] | ** wagnerrp still needs to buy his third copy... ** | |
| [22:19:48] | ** Seeker` still thinks seperate TV/film is the way to go ** | |
| [22:20:06] | taylorr: | stuartm: ah, so right/left isn't recording group but title group (or in your case genre/category) – sorry I got confused |
| [22:20:14] | Seeker`: | but ideally that woukdn't be a filter / browse mode |
| [22:20:18] | taylorr: | I still like it |
| [22:20:42] | stuartm: | Seeker`: so do I (for videos), we just disagree on whether we keep the existing views to add it or replace them |
| [22:20:49] | wagnerrp: | i still havent replaced my 5-disk HDDVD, after the discs all died |
| [22:21:14] | Seeker`: | stuartm: not for recordings too? |
| [22:21:25] | wagnerrp: | public enemies... anna friel... wasnt she the actress on pushing daisies? |
| [22:21:38] | stuartm: | taylorr: right sorry, you can also/instead use a recgroup list, but I was confusing the two myself :) |
| [22:26:29] | stuartm: | Seeker`: I'm not so sure about the wisdom of splitting recordings into two lists – I'm not decided one way or the other, but I can see it causing confusion if you look down the list of recordings for something you set to record last Friday and it's not there |
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| [22:27:34] | stuartm: | I record to watch, not store indefinitely so in that context it's more about browsing everything that is available and less about knowing that I'm looking for a specific film/tv series episode |
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| [22:28:38] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: yes, that's her |
| [22:29:27] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: she's been in two different BBC mini-series since the New Year |
| [22:29:37] | wagnerrp: | bbc... shame... |
| [22:29:56] | wagnerrp: | it will get remade over here before its ever aired |
| [22:29:57] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [22:30:29] | Seeker`: | heh |
| [22:30:44] | stuartm: | dramas, pretty different to the role she played in Pushing Daises (he says having not yet watched the recordings yet) |
| [22:33:00] | Seeker`: | dont worry, he'll have forgotten you said it by the time he sees it :P |
| [22:34:16] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: if you like her, she's got a few Brit films under her belt too which I'm sure you can rent on DVD :) She was known over here before her role in Pushing Daisies and looking at IMDB it seems her career stalled a little after that show |
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| [22:44:01] | ** stuarta pokes buildbot with some 4x2 ** | |
| [22:44:33] | stuarta: | expand my environment variables you pile of poo |
| [22:45:20] | Seeker`: | stuartm: clue-by-four works better |
| [22:45:24] | Seeker`: | err |
| [22:45:29] | Seeker`: | stuarta: * |
| [22:45:39] | stuarta: | i prefer a larting stick |
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| [23:11:57] | conso: | hi. I'm regularly recording some german tv shows. epg has episode description, but no episode numbers and often no episode name. are there grabbers for that metadata? |
| [23:12:43] | stuartm: | http://developer.android.com/design/get-started/principles.html |
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| [23:13:35] | dekarl: | conso: there is no grabber that will guess the correct episode from the synopsis (I'd take one, too) |
| [23:13:45] | dekarl: | which channel are you looking at? |
| [23:14:34] | conso: | like tv-channel? well, I'm mostly recording 2.5 men and futurama from pro7 and kabel |
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| [23:16:04] | dekarl: | yes, thats what I wanted to know. sorry, can't help with these channels due to their restritive data policies... (guide not getting anywhere near a recorder, license fee, etc.) otherwise I'd have pointed you to my guide data, but its mostly public stations with liberal policies |
| [23:16:44] | dekarl: | if you have series title and episode title you can look them up on thetvdb as usual |
| [23:18:33] | conso: | well, thing is i tend to archive the episodes. for now, i look up the episode nr from some episode guide and add that number while downloading from mythweb to external tv. it works, but seems suboptimal ^^ |
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| [23:20:34] | conso: | external harddisc |
| [23:21:01] | dekarl: | thinking about it, their guide data is for sale in xmltv format, but I've not looked at it so I can't say if its good (tv_grab_eu_epgdata) |
| [23:21:27] | conso: | nah, won't buy tv data ^^ |
| [23:21:32] | dekarl: | btw, that question is more appropriate for the mythtv-users channel (see topic ;) |
| [23:21:54] | conso: | ok, will switch. sorry for that |
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| [23:34:03] | davide: | iamlindoro (or anyone else familiar with the services api): i'm adding two new columns to the cardinput table and possibly removing one column from the capturecard table. what do i need to do to update the services api? i have yet to look at anything in the services framework, so consider me a complete newbie in that area. |
| [23:40:22] | iamlindoro: | davide: Just a very quick listing: 1) Make any changes to capturecard reflected in libs/libmythservicecontracts/datacontracts/captureCard.h, 2) change the methods in libmythservicecontracts/services/captureServices.h and programs/mythbackend/services/capture.cpp and .h to account for changes to capturecard and cardinput |
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| [23:41:25] | iamlindoro: | I've probably missed something there but if you start with that the compile errors will get you the rest of the way |
| [23:41:45] | davide: | is there any versioning i need to worry about? |
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