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| [04:44:04] | xris: | Captain_Murdoch: wait, what? HLS? |
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| [07:10:01] | _Techie_: | whenever i try scan for channels on my DVB-T USB, mythtv spits this error out on the console Can't open DVB frontend (/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) for /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0. |
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| [08:55:52] | markk: | anyone else seeing playback issues with dvd's – virtually all of my discs seem to be hitting buffering problems. some are unplayable. |
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| [09:48:00] | markk: | never mind – it was part of the remote encrypted dvd patch that I didn't remove. all is well again! |
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| [11:24:29] | stuartm: | supporting separate subtitle streams in the transcoded material would obviously be preferable, it can't always be assumed that subtitles are something you want all the time – I sometimes enable subtitles for films with poorly mixed audio where background noise drowns dialogue, or the actors start mumbling through scenes |
| [11:28:29] | stuartm: | if it's initially hard to do then omitting the feature is fine, but there's a danger that as on many previous issues the workaround becomes an entrenched position. Instead of acknowledging that it might be done better if the technical restrictions can be worked out, we start arguing that the solution in place is good enough. |
| [11:32:22] | markk: | stuartm: there are 2 issues. firstly – the subtitles are not currently embedded/blended into the video at all. without looking at it, I'm guessing it's not entirely trivial. secondly, you then have a transcoded stream with a given subtitle track hard coded into it. you then have to potentially keep multiple transcoded versions for different languages etc (and we haven't even touched on audio track selection) |
| [11:32:59] | wagnerrp: | markk, stuartm: are these live transcoding kept for any length after they are streamed to the client? |
| [11:33:31] | markk: | wagnerrp: as I understand it, it is currently for the client to determine when to delete the files. |
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| [11:39:39] | markk: | looks like http live streaming supports cea-608 captions embedded in the ts segments |
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| [12:11:51] | stuartm: | markk: that's my point really, compositing the subtitles into the video when transcoding is limiting and may be all that is possible for say HTML5, but I'd like to at least keep the door open on proper subtitle support in the long term if we're going to be transcoding to containers which support them e.g. mkv |
| [12:15:33] | stuartm: | webm for example uses a modified matroska container, since matroska supports image based subtitles (amongst others) it's theoretically possible to maintain the subtitle streams from DVB – it would then be up to the client whether they supported display |
| [12:16:12] | stuartm: | I'm probably jumping the gun here, I've not been following the development of this transcode/live streaming stuff so I'm making some assumptions about the goals |
| [12:16:26] | stuarta: | i like your ideas tho |
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| [13:49:45] | danielk22: | any idea if there are HTML5 players with plans for SMPTE 2052 timed text captions yet? Outputting those shouldn't be too different from srt.. |
| [13:50:09] | ** stuarta can't help with that one ** | |
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| [14:00:38] | danielk22: | There is talk in the US Congress of mandating that for web accessible content from broadcasters and SMPTE has published it as a free of charge standard (they usually charge for access to their specs). |
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| [14:26:52] | Captain_Murdoch: | I have looked a little into subtitle/caption support in HLS, but haven't written any code other than the stub WriteTextFrame in the AVFormatWriter and FileWriterBase classes. Initially, HLS was chosen because it's supported native on iOS, supposedly on Android Honeycomb (although I can't get my 3.2 tablet to work), and via at least one flash plugin for other browsers. It was easiest to support HLS initially since it could be c |
| [14:26:52] | Captain_Murdoch: | ross-platform/cross-browser. Since there is no cross-browser HTML5 video standard it would have meant more work initially. |
| [14:27:44] | Captain_Murdoch: | the framework is there to create other HTML5 compatible streams. I did test webm a while ago, but broke that along the way somewhere and haven't revisited it. I do have my setup compiled with libvpx so I can encode webm with vp8 video. |
| [14:28:41] | Captain_Murdoch: | patches welcome. |
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| [14:30:34] | Captain_Murdoch: | xris, yes, HLS. supported and tested with JW Player and their adaptiveProvider.swf. I contacted them about redistribution or providing an automated install link but haven't heard back from them yet. |
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| [16:21:09] | iamlindoro: | markk: Can you have a look at the bt in 10176 if you have a sec? User claims crash because "play after" video in mythvideo is populated but file does not exist... but that's not what the BT looks like to me, looks like it's in VideoOutXv/FilterChain |
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| [17:01:36] | markk: | iamlindoro: are you looking at the same bt??? |
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| [17:11:49] | sphery: | Yeah, that's a confusing file. The reporter has a bunch of BTs in the one file--most interrupts, but 2 segfaults... iamlindoro seems to have been looking at the segfault one reported on line 120. The last one (at line 1246) is another SIGSEGV, which is probably the one the reporter was trying to report (as it's in VideoDialog). |
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| [17:14:42] | sphery: | unfortunately, though, since we didn't properly pass compiler/linker/install flags in 0.24, plugins always had their debug symbols stripped, so it may require some guessing to figure out exactly what's happening (or require testing/reproducing the issue on a master debug build) |
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| [17:15:36] | Amnesia: | hi |
| [17:15:43] | xris: | Captain_Murdoch: yeah, we were really hoping to support HLS for my project at work, but determined there was no way to play it back on any desktop except mac safari. need to look into that adaptive provider. |
| [17:15:51] | xris: | but if the backend can stream stuff that really makes things easier on mythweb. |
| [17:15:56] | Amnesia: | question, I'm trying to get my dvb-t stick to work.. |
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| [17:16:09] | Amnesia: | but I can't get a device file of it.. |
| [17:16:14] | sphery: | (FWIW, plugins in master are properly build according to the debug/profile/release type specified, but MythVideo isn't a plugin, there, so master would work for 2 reasons :) |
| [17:16:22] | sphery: | Amnesia: /topic (you want #mythtv-users ) |
| [17:16:23] | Amnesia: | already looked for a useful kernel module.. |
| [17:16:28] | Amnesia: | sorry |
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| [17:51:10] | sphery: | kormoc: BTW, it's Thursday... If you get a chance to install that wiki extension, today, that would be great. Thanks. |
| [17:54:47] | Captain_Murdoch: | xris, if on master, http://yourbackendip:6544/samples/livestream_rec.qsp for a sample page. the 'Play' links are links to the .m3u8 file, but I've tested with JW Player as well. if someone doesn't beat me to it, I plan on looking at MythWeb integration at some point. interface is pretty simple as can be seen by looking at that sample page. |
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| [18:03:36] | iamlindoro: | markk: sphery: Yeah, I read from top to bottom, so didn't see that there were more BTs.. annoying! Sorry for the false alarm. |
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| [19:25:10] | oliver: | dblain: just tinkering with the WDSLs from myth 0.25 – should xs:uint not be xs:unsignedInt ? |
| [19:26:02] | oliver: | (thanks for Captain_Murdoch and you help a week or so ago, took me a little while to get a round tuit) |
| [19:33:52] | iamlindoro: | oliver: Trying to dynamically support the APIs by parsing wsdl may be a losing game for now-- it would probably be better to use the docs, where most of the Services are fairly completely documented: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Services_API |
| [20:08:05] | oliver: | iamlindoro: okay – but I assume the eventual goal is to have things like this (if they are agreed to be in error), fixed |
| [20:15:24] | dblain: | oliver: looks like you are correct. There are most likely other similar issues. Feel free to fix... unfortunately I won't have time to look at it myself for at least another couple of weeks. |
| [20:15:34] | iamlindoro: | I think so-- though I believe dblain doesn't have ... yeah, what he said ;) |
| [20:16:35] | dblain: | my goal has always been to have WSDL be the first stop for autogenerating proxy libraries, but as you can tell, it's not producing 100% acurrate results yet. |
| [20:22:42] | oliver: | thanks for the heads-up, then, I'll be prepared for other gotchas and inconsitencies with wiki/Services_API |
| [20:23:37] | oliver: | dblain: so, for a newbie here, when you say "feel free to fix" was that implying I can submit patches somehow, or meaning just do things locally? |
| [20:24:31] | iamlindoro: | The former ;) |
| [20:24:42] | iamlindoro: | You can submit patches by opening a ticket at code.mythtv.org |
| [20:24:43] | skd5aner: | oliver: patches welcome (http://code.mythtv.org |
| [20:24:56] | oliver: | righto, thanks |
| [20:28:04] | ** oliver finds TicketHowTo, etc... ** | |
| [20:32:21] | skd5aner: | oliver: this might be helpful too – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Coding_Standards |
| [20:32:33] | skd5aner: | things get approved faster if the devs don't have to do any cleanup |
| [20:32:48] | oliver: | *nods* much appreciated |
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| [22:55:05] | stichnot: | When ClearSavedPosition=true, and a recording or video contains a bookmark, and you start playback from the beginning ignoring the bookmark, the bookmark is not cleared. This seems wrong to me. Any opinions on this? |
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| [23:08:37] | stichnot: | (to be fair, it doesn't normally make a difference to me since I have PlaybackExitPrompt=2 to unconditionally set a bookmark on a clean exit, but it's noticeable when trying to debug crashes.) |
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