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| [07:52:38] | markk: | xavierh: nice work – slight issue with help text overlapping controls on some screens – but impressed:) |
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| [08:03:55] | markk: | xavierh: suggest you look at adding some 'scroll' indicators on those screens where there are more options than can fit on the screen – i.e. give the user the hint that there are additional unseen options. |
| [08:06:13] | markk: | actually – ignore that last comment, I see you've done it for mythcenter-wide but I was running mythbuntu and it couldn't find the arrow images. |
| [08:09:56] | markk: | stuartm (and anyone else): have you had a look at the setup patch. visually and functionally it seems to tick all the boxes, just wondering if you have a view on the code changes? |
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| [10:14:15] | xavierh: | markk: I added the "group" help yesterday, very quickly and did not spend time to possition it properly, event the tree is not positionned properly |
| [10:15:17] | xavierh: | I like to also add the default value so the user could revert to the default value for a whole group and/or revert to the last saved value |
| [10:16:45] | xavierh: | I also need to provide a visual feed back so the user know what to expect when he press the SELECT button |
| [10:18:31] | xavierh: | My two other chanllange are the audio setting, where depending of the output selected, sub setting need to be different, I will use the same principal than for the CheckBox (On and Off can have different sub settings) |
| [10:20:40] | xavierh: | And finally the Playback profile, where we should ba able to add/rename/delete/edit profiles and as well as config profils. I have a better Idea now how to do it in a consistant manner so the same approach could be use for recording profile and others |
| [10:21:55] | xavierh: | BTW the code need some (a lot of) tidying so please don't judge on the patch I sent (comments are welcome) |
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| [13:23:18] | danielk22: | xavierh: Don't worry too much about the playback profile editor. That is probably best handled by just hard-coding some specific profiles and allowing the user to chose an appropriate one. |
| [13:26:24] | danielk22: | xavierh: My preference for hard-coding would be an XML specification, but I that isn't really high on my priority list. |
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| [13:41:44] | xavierh: | danielk22: I do agree with you a XML format would probably be better than db for that little amount of data |
| [13:43:02] | xavierh: | danielk22: I do have to worry about the Playback profile, because I just allow the user to choose the profile in a list, I suspect that the profile will not be created for its hostname |
| [13:44:35] | xavierh: | danielk22: I am not too sure where this is done exactly yet, I need to take my spade and dig a bit more |
| [13:48:56] | danielk22: | xavierh: Certain profiles are already created in the database. I think you we just need to have a GUI for choosing one of those. Pulling additional profiles into the DB is where I think an XML format could be useful. |
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| [13:57:17] | xavierh: | danielk22: I believe they are in the db because when mythfrontend start it load all the settings then save them. |
| [13:58:25] | xavierh: | danielk22: those settings are tight to the old UI, so I really need to do the equivalent for MythUI otherwise they wont be load/save at startup |
| [14:00:08] | xavierh: | danielk22: unless I force the load/save from the old widget in the main.cpp. so we would have the profile created but no way to modify them. would that be acceptable? |
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| [14:02:27] | danielk22: | xavierh: void VideoDisplayProfile::CreateProfiles(const QString &hostname) <-- this does the work of filling in the DB. |
| [14:03:31] | danielk22: | We don't need to be able to modify the profiles in the GUI. |
| [14:07:50] | xavierh: | danielk22: thanks, I will do it this way for now then |
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| [14:10:23] | ** iamlindoro wants to be on record as strongly supporting the idea of users only having to pick a playback profile name :) ** | |
| [14:12:30] | markk: | iamlindoro: you're kidding right? no ability to pick a deinterlacer, filter options etc |
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| [14:14:04] | iamlindoro: | markk: How many users ever have to? Most just need to pick the VDPAU profile that works for them-- The way I took it, they'd still all be editable, just in XML instead of in the confusing UI we've already got |
| [14:17:43] | jpabq: | Both of my frontends can do VDPAU, *but* one can do Advanced deint, and the other one can only handle temporal. |
| [14:18:20] | iamlindoro: | jpabq: So on one you select "VDPAU Normal" and the other, you select "VDPAU High" |
| [14:18:56] | jpabq: | That is fine. It was just sounding like this was not going to be a per-frontend settings. |
| [14:19:05] | iamlindoro: | And if you're a power user who really feels the need to edit deinterlacer options, you edit one XML file-- I'm not seeing a loss of functionality, but I've not met a user yet who just "got" playback profiles |
| [14:19:26] | iamlindoro: | I didn't take it as a single global setting |
| [14:20:02] | iamlindoro: | xavierh is writing a MythUI'd frontend settings replacement, and the discussion is about that-- all those settings are host-specific |
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| [14:24:08] | jpabq: | I shouldn't skim IRC when my eyes are not fully open yet. |
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| [14:59:25] | xavierh: | iamlindoro: In fact they arte not all host specific (not talking about Playback profil here), and more surprising, on the same screen on can be host, the next one Global, then on Host specific. They are not clearly separated, which puzzled me at the time |
| [15:00:42] | iamlindoro: | xavierh: Yeah, we can sort that out going forward |
| [15:01:16] | danielk22: | xavierh: They are all host specific. |
| [15:02:33] | xavierh: | danielk22: not the oine using Global* widget such asBlobalCheckBox, GlobalComboBox .. are they? |
| [15:02:38] | xavierh: | one* |
| [15:03:22] | danielk22: | xavierh: sorry, just re-read that, thought you were talking about the profiles |
| [15:03:40] | xavierh: | no :) |
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| [15:16:07] | markk: | iamlindoro: sorry – been plastering. Firstly, VDPAU is the easy one to deal with. You can pretty much cover all bases and options with 2 profiles. XVideo is harder and OpenGL (which is the only option for some systems) is more complicated still. Secondly, if we started taking out functionality that only 1% of people used, we'd soon be removing half of the core code and a few plugins too – and piss off most people in the proces |
| [15:16:08] | markk: | s. and finally:) moving elements of configuration out to xml files is the slippery slope to configuration hell. Bare bones setup/connection details in a file – everything else in the database. |
| [15:18:21] | markk: | that's not to say display profiles couldn't be improved. keep it simple – one config for HD, one for SD, make sensible, autodetected multi-core processing automatic, make the fallback deinterlacer a function of the main deinterlacer etc etc |
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| [15:21:42] | xavierh: | markk: point taken, I will try to do it too |
| [15:23:03] | markk: | danielk22: is it an absolute no-no to use a readblocksize of less than 32K in the ringbuffer code – or can it safely go lower (for dvd radio streams) ? |
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| [15:40:53] | danielk22: | markk: Last I checked ffmpeg always reads in at least 32K so making it any smaller wouldn't gain you anything (ffmpeg would block anyway). It may of course be possible to change that... |
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| [15:50:22] | markk: | danielk22: thanks – makes sense. |
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| [17:09:43] | MythBuild_: | build #199 of master-vista-mingw-32bit is complete: Exception [exception git] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . t/builds/199 blamelist: Robert Kulagowski <rkulagowski@mythtv.org > |
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| [17:29:23] | wagnerrp: | MythBuild_: force build master-vista-mingw-32bit now |
| [17:29:28] | MythBuild_: | The build has been queued, I'll give a shout when it starts |
| [17:37:51] | wagnerrp: | whoops, should have checked to see if there was aleady one running |
| [17:40:57] | wagnerrp: | MythBuild_: force build master-freebsd-64bit now |
| [17:40:57] | MythBuild_: | build forced [ETA 6m48s] |
| [17:40:57] | MythBuild_: | I'll give a shout when the build finishes |
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| [17:46:36] | MythBuild_: | Hey! build master-freebsd-64bit #1122 is complete: Success [build successful] |
| [17:46:36] | MythBuild_: | Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . /builds/1122 |
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| [18:36:40] | MythBuild_: | build forced [ETA 1h25m56s] |
| [18:36:40] | MythBuild_: | I'll give a shout when the build finishes |
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| [19:11:12] | jams: | xris- alcor needs mysql installed |
| [19:12:16] | xris: | jams: among other things |
| [19:12:29] | xris: | so far you, Beirdo and I are the only ones I know of who bothered to log in. |
| [19:12:55] | xris: | beirdo and I keep meaning to start migrating things over but then one or the other of us gets sick or busy. this weekend we're both off camping |
| [19:13:08] | jams: | well i'm waiting on mysql before I can continue with smoon |
| [19:14:07] | jams: | i can install if you want..just don't know which version to use. |
| [19:14:32] | jams: | or i can find something else to do |
| [19:15:59] | stuartm: | xris: stuartm pts/1 {hostname} Sat Sep 3 11:00 – 15:00 (04:00) |
| [19:16:24] | xris: | jams: ah, server there (percona), not the client. hang on |
| [19:16:46] | jams: | also need whatever pkg mysql_config comes in |
| [19:17:15] | xris: | no idea what that is |
| [19:18:04] | jams: | Percona-Server-devel-51–5.1.54-rel12.5.188.rhel5 on new.mythtv.org |
| [19:18:35] | xris: | done in a sec |
| [19:18:44] | jams: | thx |
| [19:21:47] | xris: | ok, it's up and running. |
| [19:21:55] | xris: | probably has no root pw yet |
| [19:23:17] | jams: | cool that should be enough to proceed |
| [19:23:25] | jams: | least now I get different errors :) |
| [19:26:40] | xris: | heh |
| [19:37:53] | stuarta: | have you migrated all the old accounts? |
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| [19:38:59] | Pehnep: | /join #mythtv-users |
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| [19:42:45] | ** stuarta finds xris in #nginx ** | |
| [19:43:20] | xris: | heh |
| [19:43:35] | xris: | yeah, starting to use it for work |
| [19:43:51] | stuarta: | i'm trying to get mythweb to run under nginx + php-fpm |
| [19:44:29] | stuarta: | i can get nginx to proxy to apache, but there's not much point in that |
| [19:44:52] | stuarta: | for some reason i haven't yet worked out it's not handing off php to php-fpm |
| [19:49:53] | ** xris wishes he had time to rewrite php in python ** | |
| [19:50:07] | xris: | er, mythweb in python |
| [19:50:15] | xris: | then just add a small wsgi server to mythbackend. |
| [19:52:13] | stuarta: | python isn't my favourite language |
| [19:59:34] | allesmueller: | hi – it´s me again – with a strange use case ending in a segmentation fault |
| [19:59:53] | xris: | stuarta: I've been growing to like it. though most of that is wsgi, not python itself. |
| [19:59:56] | allesmueller: | I´m editing cutlists via a VNC session |
| [20:01:00] | allesmueller: | when exiting the video with "ESC" I´m asked for Saving the EditList and when exiting a segfault occurs |
| [20:02:17] | iamlindoro: | allesmueller: If you have a segfault, please open a ticket, but we usually handle such issues in #mythtv-users |
| [20:02:29] | iamlindoro: | Please include a backtrace on the ticket |
| [20:02:35] | MythBuild_: | Hey! build master-vista-mingw-32bit #201 is complete: Success [build successful] |
| [20:02:35] | MythBuild_: | Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . t/builds/201 |
| [20:03:22] | allesmueller: | iamlindoro, thanks |
| [20:11:24] | wagnerrp: | video playback in VNC? eeech |
| [20:11:27] | sphery: | allesmueller: and make sure you're running current code--as a bug that caused that was fixed a while back |
| [20:11:39] | sphery: | while = months and months ago |
| [20:13:10] | allesmueller: | hmm, it think it´s pretty recent :) v0.25pre-3480-ge0f8207-dirty |
| [20:26:51] | sphery: | yeah, that's from 2 days ago. just making sure :) |
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| [20:27:58] | allesmueller: | I´ll build a debug, to have more symbols included |
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| [20:40:19] | allesmueller: | http://pastebin.com/g5A71Bfw |
| [20:57:16] | allesmueller: | #10095 created |
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| [21:04:54] | azertuie: | hi |
| [21:05:12] | azertuie: | anyone there ? |
| [21:05:46] | xris: | nope. only devs. I suspect you want to read the topic. |
| [21:06:05] | azertuie: | well who know dreambox ? |
| [21:07:17] | jams: | xris stuff is working at least for my first profile, and python stuff is in it's own virtualenv |
| [21:09:08] | xris: | cool |
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| [21:12:39] | jams: | any specific port you want it on? |
| [21:12:44] | jams: | right now it's 8086 |
| [21:13:51] | danielk22: | anyone know of a utility to count the instances of each pid in a transport stream? |
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| [21:19:03] | xavierh: | do I have to use Q_OBJECT macro for each inherit class which implement signal/slot ? |
| [21:20:43] | iamlindoro: | I would think it would be enough to declare it a : Public QObject |
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| [21:23:28] | xris: | jams: no clue. can't think about it at the moment |
| [21:23:39] | xris: | ping me or gavin again on monday |
| [21:26:03] | stuartm: | xavierh: yes |
| [21:27:02] | xavierh: | stuartm: event if the parent class did use the macro as well, correct? |
| [21:27:04] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: Q_OBJECT macro is required for classes using signals/slots and possibly other stuff, it's what generates the moc files |
| [21:27:07] | xavierh: | even |
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| [21:27:55] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: Cool, learn something every day |
| [21:28:40] | stuartm: | xavierh: that's what I understand and it can't hurt, especially when the base class might be modified to remove the signal slots there, it would break derived classes in non-obvious ways |
| [21:30:45] | xavierh: | stuartm: that's what I understood as well but it does mean moving my class from a cpp file to an header file |
| [21:31:07] | markk: | danielk22: wrt 32KB read block size – just spotted/remembered that we create the ffmpeg byte context with 2KB buffer size for dvd playback. Not sure what that implies though:) |
| [21:31:50] | xavierh: | anyway what could make my program crash with an {} implementation of a slot ? |
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| [21:35:49] | stuartm: | markk: I assume it's kept small to encourage frequent reads which stops the drive (in theory) from spinning down? Not that it works for all hardware assuming that were the case |
| [21:37:04] | markk: | stuartm: not sure sure – even 32KB should keep a drive spinning. |
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| [21:38:56] | stuartm: | aye, that's true |
| [21:40:09] | stuartm: | if those files didn't get modified/refactored so often I'd suggest that git blame might be useful, but chances are that it won't |
| [21:41:39] | stuartm: | we should really insist that comments are inserted explaining why all seemingly arbitrary figures were chosen – how often does this sort of question come up? |
| [21:44:56] | stuartm: | "this code has use a value of X, but I can't see why it's not Y or Z instead" could easily be the template for a dozens if not hundreds of questions that have been asked in here over the last few years |
| [21:45:18] | Chutt: | / value chosen because it was pulled randomly out of ass and seemed to kind of work |
| [21:47:18] | stuartm: | Chutt: which is more often true than not :) It helps to know when that's the case and not that it's been derived through days of careful experimentation and feedback |
| [21:47:47] | Chutt: | i know that was the case with the read block size, at least =) |
| [21:48:16] | Chutt: | big enough to not spin the thread too often, small enough to be done quickly to help seek responsiveness |
| [21:51:52] | stuartm: | Lawrence surprised me with his explanation for the lack of comments in his patch, namely that there weren't many comments in the existing code so he thought comments were discouraged ... I think it can safely be said we've never rejected patches for including useful comments, I can't think of many projects that would so that's a pretty odd conclusion to arrive at |
| [22:03:46] | Chutt: | definition of 'useful' |
| [22:04:01] | Chutt: | i've rejected stuff (not for myth, that i recall) for including a novel with a 1 line change |
| [22:05:56] | stuartm: | clear, concise and not stating the obvious |
| [22:07:13] | stuartm: | of course what's obvious to one person might not be obvious to another ... |
| [22:09:47] | iamlindoro: | And sometimes it's not even obvious to he who wrote it |
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| [22:15:56] | stuartm: | I generally side with the argument that good code doesn't need explanation, but there are exceptions such as numerical constants or code which interfaces with an external spec/api |
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| [22:36:20] | rkulagow: | stuart, there? |
| [22:36:29] | rkulagow: | sorry, terra theme stuart |
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| [23:06:15] | skd5aner: | rkulagow: you meant stuartm |
| [23:06:38] | skd5aner: | getting kind of late in the UK, so maybe not |
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| [23:11:25] | wagnerrp: | allesmueller: out of curiosity, what video output are you using that can operate inside VNC? |
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| [23:22:42] | rkulagow: | skd5aner: yeah, i realized that once i saw that stuartm and stuarta were in irc |
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