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Wednesday, October 12th, 2011, 00:14 UTC
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[00:31:24] ParadoxGuitarist: I need some help troubleshooting an hdhomerun with mythtv. I'm trying to scan channels, and at first when you scan it wasn't finding any channels
[00:33:20] ParadoxGuitarist: I installed the hdhomerun-config as suggested by the wiki and now I'm finding a lot of encrypted channels but when I try to view them either via xbmc or the mythtv frontend the computer ends up freezing.
[00:34:59] ParadoxGuitarist: I'm performing the scan as cable and QAM 256 and I wonder if maybe it's a setting there or if it's something else. Maybe the fact that I'm on wifi and not wired?
[00:36:49] ParadoxGuitarist: I generated stream files fine on a windows box and they actually play on XBMC on the box that I have mythTV on, but not actually through myth. I was hoping to set up myth so I could use it as a PVR backend for xbmc. Any help to shead on this comes with much thanks in advance.
[00:39:20] Captain_Murdoch: ParadoxGuitarist, you want #mythtv-users
[00:41:14] ParadoxGuitarist: thanks Cap'n
[00:41:20] ParadoxGuitarist: and sorry
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[04:52:49] Beirdo: jya: there is no bug. it's --loglevel debug
[04:52:53] Beirdo: not --log debug
[04:53:06] Beirdo: and it works just fine here
[04:55:55] iamlindoro: More fun with the Services API: http://www.fecitfacta.com/ios.png
[04:57:34] Beirdo: fun
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[07:23:24] markk: iamlindoro: do you have some code for that? I'd like to take a look
[07:24:19] Beirdo: looks pretty, doesn't it? :) Almost make me wanna get an iPad. I think I'm sticking with Android for now, though
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[08:26:24] stuartm: hmm, I really need to look at that API, maybe I could get mythtv-setup ported to it for 0.25
[08:29:47] stuarta: Beirdo: no reason we can't make the same stuff work on android
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[10:17:57] stuartm: Captain_Murdoch: thanks for looking at that
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[11:51:26] markk: taylorr: you around – wondering where you are with forced subtitles?
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[11:58:53] xavierh: stuartm: does mythtv-setup need be separated from mythfrontend?
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[12:07:54] stuartm: xavierh: not necessarily, as a backend configuration app it's probably better kept segregated though – there are people who don't use the frontend at all
[12:09:02] xavierh: stuartm: people not using mythfrontend are more likely to use the http way
[12:09:42] stuartm: true
[12:11:13] stuartm: if the backend setup were made part of the frontend there would have to be a mandatory pincode/password, the backend config isn't something you want just anyone to be able to change
[12:13:59] xavierh: Same way the http one work, seems consistent
[12:29:01] markk: xavierh: do you have a diff for the setup code you're working on?
[12:29:29] xavierh: I can do one tonight if you want (UK time)
[12:30:08] markk: great – interested to see it in action and how invasive it is
[12:30:36] xavierh: bare in mind my theming is ugly
[12:31:30] xavierh: by the wayt what theme should I implement by default ?
[12:32:45] markk: xavierh: default :)
[12:33:14] xavierh: I should have known, shouldn't I? :)
[12:33:54] xavierh: have to go back to work :(
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[12:55:19] xavierh: markk: invasive? Not really I only modified globalsetting.cpp and main.cpp + add one .h/.cpp file to add my classes
[12:56:58] xavierh: markk: I didn't want to modify anything apart for mythfrontend, So I also borrow some code from settingdb.cpp and add ugly access the fillselections stuff from ChannelSetting
[12:57:21] xavierh: *ugly code
[12:57:26] xavierh: to
[12:59:21] xavierh: I will create a ticket tonight and add the *temporary and not clean* patch
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[14:03:59] ernstp: setting up a remote mythtv frontend
[14:04:12] wagnerrp: then you want #mythtv-users
[14:04:29] ernstp: right, I've done that before... :-)
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[19:53:36] xavierh: How to do a diff with git, I did a git add for the new files, do I need to do something else before I can see them with git diff (sorry still learning it)
[19:57:04] wagnerrp: 'git diff HEAD' or something of that sort
[20:00:02] xavierh: wagnerrp: that's it, I can never remember thanks
[20:01:44] jams: xavierh- did you receive the email about delay for your input patch?
[20:04:12] Beirdo: argh, he's not here.
[20:04:36] xavierh: jams: yes I did, forgot about it, I did put a star on my android phone but ... will do it later on this evening
[20:04:49] jams: ok..just making sure you got it thats all
[20:05:09] jams: i don't fully trust email
[20:05:10] xavierh: jams: good job you are reminding me.
[20:05:25] xavierh: I don't tust my memory :)
[20:05:29] xavierh: trust
[20:06:40] jams: hehe..well whenever you get around to it
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[20:14:58] xavierh: markk: #10092
[20:26:30] xavierh: jams:done :)
[20:34:22] jams: got it
[20:49:27] stuartm: was it an intentional change that --sourceid no longer works on it's own as an argument to mfdb?
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[20:53:47] stuartm: SetRequiredChildOf() seems to have it backwards ... "ERROR: --sourceid requires at least one of the following arguments" << No, the arguments which follow require --sourceid, not the other way around
[20:54:42] stuartm: wagnerrp: ^^
[20:56:10] wagnerrp: 'child' means that at least one of the 'parents' needs to be used for it to operate
[20:56:32] wagnerrp: 'required child' means the child must be given for the parent to operate
[20:56:50] wagnerrp: if sourceid can be run on its own, it should simply not be marked a child
[20:58:46] wagnerrp: did github recently change their font?
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[21:05:51] markk: xavierh: thanks – will take a look after breakfast:)
[21:07:47] xavierh: markk: breakfast? good morning then. Better after your breakfast, don't want to cut your appetite
[21:11:27] jpabq_: stuartm: when you were play with astyle, what arguments did you come up with to get it to generate "myth's coding style
[21:11:27] jpabq_: "
[21:11:32] jpabq_: ?
[21:13:05] stuartm: jpabq_: I put a config file into the extras repo
[21:14:23] stuartm: jpabq_: it's as close as it gets – the result complies with the coding style but it can make whitespace changes which might not suit everyone
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[21:16:01] iamlindoro: markk: Aren't you back somewhere where it's dinner time?
[21:16:06] stuartm: jpabq_: https://github.com/MythTV/extras/blob/master/ . . . v_astyle.cfg
[21:16:43] jpabq_: stuartm, Awesome. thanks.
[21:18:33] stuartm: astyle --options=mythtv_astyle.cfg {file(s)}
[21:21:02] jams: stuartm, don't suppose there is a program that will scan and then suggest which #includes might be unnecessary ?
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[21:32:28] stuartm: jams: there is a spin off from cppcheck for that purpose, but it's too thorough and unless you specify the path to every single include the output gets a little hard to work with
[21:33:41] stuartm: jams: if you want to take a look and maybe try to figure out the right args etc – http://checkheaders.googlecode.com/
[21:36:55] stuartm: it's worth a try, I just found it to be difficult to use on a project the size of MythTV, which might seem ungrateful since Daniel M created it at my suggestion :/
[21:38:12] jams: thanks I will have a look. my lib mythbased app is a bit smaller
[21:47:33] stuartm: iamlindoro: if he's back in the UK, as his IP suggests then it's more of a late supper time (10pm)
[21:47:59] stuartm: I suspect that he meant that he'll look at it tomorrow morning :)
[21:52:37] xavierh: xavierh: Oups :)
[21:53:15] xavierh: Now I am talking to myself, what's next ...
[21:54:20] stuartm: don't worry, that still counts as sane around here
[21:56:18] xavierh: stuartm: Should never never getting up a 5:30 anymore
[21:57:57] xavierh: Could someone explain to me how the Playback profiles setup is meant to work? it seams broken in trunk and I never played with this before
[22:00:40] xavierh: I was pretty sure that this thing was never used, wow save me a job :)
[22:01:20] jams: it's known to be broken
[22:01:40] iamlindoro: wait, what? What's known to be broken?
[22:01:40] jams: has been for a release or two
[22:01:58] jams: the playback profile editor
[22:02:03] sphery: xavierh: yeah, it's semi-broken in all versions since the Qt4 port... as of now, you can create a new profile group, then have to next, next, ... finish, then go back in, then select that profile group, then add a profile, then next, next, ... finish, then go back and add a new profile to the group and ...
[22:02:29] iamlindoro: ah... didn't realize.. I only ever edit existing ones
[22:02:30] sphery: it can be made to work, but it doesn't work as it was designed (but we haven't really spent time on it since we kept saying we'd replace setup :)
[22:02:56] xavierh: :)
[22:04:02] xavierh: what is the "add new entry" at the bottom for ?
[22:04:48] sphery: profiles are the things like > 1280 720, ffmpeg, xv-blit, ... with "add new entry", you can add a new profile to the group
[22:05:29] sphery: there's also the ability to add new groups
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[22:05:49] sphery: but you basically have to make one change, then next through to finish and go back to do any editing
[22:06:15] xavierh: I think I understand
[22:06:16] sphery: ideally, though, most users will just use the example profiles without editing (especially once we create example profiles for opengl rendering)
[22:06:38] sphery: oh, and please don't reproduce that "next through to finish and go back" approach :)
[22:06:55] xavierh: NEVER I would prefer to die
[22:07:38] xavierh: Do you mean a wizard kind of next next next next finish ?
[22:09:43] kenni: does the tvformat column in the channel table have any impact on the functionality of tuning, etc?
[22:10:01] xavierh: Wizard are only good when they setup a lot of option based a few basic questions
[22:12:28] kenni: seems like it's kinda broken in mythtv-setup in current master, at least when inserting new DVB-T channels. It's NULL even though it isn't allowed to be so
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[22:16:32] sphery: xavierh: just meaning that with the current frontend settings you go into a section and each screen has a next button until the last screen... and don't want it so you have to go into Playback Settings 30 times to set up a single playback profile group--which you do, now, since it doesn't update the display on changes
[22:17:25] sphery: (so have to go all the way through playback settings--not just all the way through a single "edit profile" settings--to get it to update the playback profile screen
[22:18:38] xavierh: Yep, 100% aggreeing
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[22:23:25] jams: stuartm, removed 207 includes..some I had to put back but yeah it's much cleaner now.
[22:27:03] stuartm: xavierh: I think we decided some time back that the playback profile stuff is overly complicated and that we would simplify it so that you can specify options for just two scenarios – SD and HD, the ability to create multiple new profiles per frontend isn't necessary either
[22:27:44] stuartm: and ultimately the most appropriate built-in profile will probably be auto-selected, but that's something for another time
[22:28:00] stuartm: jams: cool
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[22:30:29] xavierh: stuartm: I don't know if it is complicated, let me try to understand, the I will tell you :)
[22:30:47] stuartm: xavierh: in essence what I'm saying is that you should get too hung up on making playback profile config work – we will definitely be re-designing it and probably adapting it to fit in with the other settings better
[22:30:53] xavierh: stuartm: do you mean profile are create per frontend ?
[22:32:42] stuartm: playback profiles are often unique to the hardware used for the frontend, e.g. you can only use a vdpau profile on a vdpau frontend – I don't believe you can currently share the same profile between frontends although I can definitely see how that would be an improvement
[22:33:17] sphery: stuartm: I'd support that approach--especially since you can't specify criteria such as codec or bitrate, so we're basically using "best estimate" anyway
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[22:34:04] xavierh: stuartm: I do understand, but each vdpau could share the same profile, no?
[22:34:08] stuartm: sphery: Daniel was on board when it was last discussed
[22:34:13] xavierh: I mean we can s
[22:34:19] sphery: and, yeah, they're saved on a per-host basis (though the hostname could be factored out of the db table and then we could have per-host settings that reference a given playback profile group name)
[22:34:46] stuartm: xavierh: yes, they might, but currently they don't
[22:35:14] xavierh: Ok
[22:36:05] sphery: xavierh: this may be helpful in seeing your current profile groups and how we're storing info: http://pastebin.com/ejn4XxcJ
[22:36:40] xavierh: sphery: thanks, I was actually looking at the db
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[23:13:52] iamlindoro: stuartm: Adding setparentof to --only-update-channels was necessary to fix "Fetch channels from listings source," which was broken in master because it did not allow --sourceid and --only-update-channels to be called together
[23:14:16] iamlindoro: I'm not saying reverting that change wasn't a fix for something else, but it's probably that "fetch channels" is back to being broken as a result, and now needs re-fixing
[23:14:31] iamlindoro: The addition of setparentof was the advice given to me by wagnerrp
[23:17:05] wagnerrp: nothing he did can explicitly break anything
[23:17:32] wagnerrp: however it can result in strange behavior if --file, --dd-file, or --xaw-channels is called without --sourceid
[23:17:41] iamlindoro: Well, you are the one who had be add that code, because --only-update-channels and sourceid couldn't be called together
[23:17:54] iamlindoro: if it's now undone, my presumption is that they're back to not being allowed together
[23:18:14] iamlindoro: meaning all analog config from a listings source is broken in master
[23:18:27] wagnerrp: thats not quite right
[23:18:36] wagnerrp: previously, --sourceid was marked as a child option
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[23:18:41] wagnerrp: meaning it could not be used on its own
[23:18:56] wagnerrp: it had to be used with one of those three above
[23:19:23] wagnerrp: so if you tried to use --only-update-channels with --sourceid, sourceid would complain that you didnt specify a parent option
[23:19:46] wagnerrp: now that --sourceid is no longer marked as a child, the previous issue will no longer happen
[23:19:56] iamlindoro: ok, well never mind then ;)
[23:20:17] wagnerrp: but... it does allow those three other calls to be run without providing --sourceid
[23:20:33] wagnerrp: i dont know off hand if there is any checking on that value
[23:20:55] wagnerrp: looks like it defaults to 0, so it will just always result in running against source 0
[23:21:10] wagnerrp: that may not be bad behavior
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[23:26:10] stuartm: --sourceid is optional unless using --file, --dd-file, or --xaw-channels but as I understood wagnerrp there is currently no way of enforcing that?
[23:28:18] wagnerrp: mark --file, --dd-file, and --xaw-channels a ->SetRequires("sourceid")
[23:28:24] wagnerrp: *as
[23:31:57] stuartm: I'm reasonably confident that we can drop the xaw channel import, I'm not sure xaw even exists any longer
[23:32:27] iamlindoro: Which means one very rude, very loud user out there still uses it, and will freak out
[23:32:28] iamlindoro: ;)
[23:32:28] stuartm: I'm reminded that I wanted to block xmltv from inserting channels for digital sources
[23:33:29] stuartm: would that also make sense for DD, or does that provide all the required tuning info?
[23:34:59] iamlindoro: datadirect.cpp includes code to prevent that happening
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[23:35:55] iamlindoro: (because it does not provide anything but virtual channel numbers)
[23:35:58] stuartm: huh, I wonder why the same wasn't done for xmltv
[23:37:07] iamlindoro: yeah, should be relatively trivial, will just need to check IsUnscanable || IsEncoder
[23:37:41] iamlindoro: (before inserting)
[23:39:14] stuartm: aye, it's really trivial but like many trivial things it's kept slipping down the list
[23:39:21] stuartm: I'll commit something tomorrow
[23:40:20] stuartm: well, later today ...
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