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| [13:34:02] | burg: | hey everybody... anybody could pastebin for me his w_scan channels.conf ? |
| [13:34:28] | burg: | i'm looking for sample channel scans from around the world |
| [13:34:57] | wagnerrp: | we dont use channels.conf, and this is the mythtv development channel |
| [13:50:39] | burg: | any other channel I could find a channels.conf ? :) |
| [13:51:23] | wagnerrp: | #linuxtv or #mplayer may be able to help, or im sure you would have great luck on google |
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| [20:25:08] | stuartm: | is there any particular reason why the backend wake up time is set only when the backend initiates shutdown and not say when the scheduler runs? |
| [20:25:24] | stuartm: | There's the very real possibility with the current behaviour that the backend is shut down either unwittingly by the user or by a power cut and doesn't come back up again because the wakeup time wasn't set |
| [20:27:06] | wagnerrp: | if the power is cut, the machine wont come back up again anyway |
| [20:27:22] | wagnerrp: | hard loss of power erases the wakeup timer |
| [20:28:24] | stuartm: | fair point, lets ignore the example given then ;) |
| [20:28:41] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, regarding that pull request... the only thing I can think of for the 'query livetv' channel change might be something wanted when channels aren't on 24x7. so you don't have to flip through a bunch of static at 4am when some OTA channels might be off the air. |
| [20:29:27] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: but thats not what it does, and we dont have any way to know that information ahead of time anyway |
| [20:29:46] | wagnerrp: | all it does is make sure the chanid for the programinfo in question exists in the channel table |
| [20:30:11] | Captain_Murdoch: | I haven't read the patch, I thought you were saying it only listed channels with programs. I guess it's a difference of 'any programs' vs 'any program in the current timeslot'. |
| [20:30:19] | Captain_Murdoch: | ah, nevermind then. |
| [20:30:36] | Captain_Murdoch: | sounds like someone made up their own 'visible' feature. :) |
| [20:30:37] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: although my experience suggests that for some boards that's not true, whether it's because the timer value is preserved using the onboard battery or it's written to non-volatile memory I've unplugged my backend before and had it remember the value |
| [20:31:05] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: im just quoting from stuff ive read online in the past |
| [20:31:27] | wagnerrp: | from experience, ive not found any two machines that actually behave the same in regards to standby and timed wakeup |
| [20:32:09] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: basically, they just added a 'program.chanid=channel.chanid' clause into the WHERE statement |
| [20:32:36] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: np, it's not really important anyhow, my interest in this stems from user stupidity, i.e. me shutting down a backend manually the other night and it failing to wake up to record as a result |
| [20:32:52] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: in any case, i was under the impression we only bothered setting the wakeup time at the time of shutdown, as there was some special shutdown mechanism that had to be done in order for it to work |
| [20:33:24] | wagnerrp: | meaning if you set the time, and then shut down normally, the timer wont function |
| [20:34:24] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: I can't see that's the case from what I've read of the code and from general experience, a normal shutdown doesn't seem to interfer with the timer operation |
| [20:34:38] | wagnerrp: | maybe its WOL im thinking of |
| [20:35:18] | stuartm: | ah, that could be, iirc there are some special steps for WOL to work |
| [20:36:22] | stuartm: | I think I'll just prepare a patch moving setting of the wakeup timer and see whether anyone squeals |
| [20:36:41] | Captain_Murdoch: | on some hardware yes. the timer idea could be because you can't set timers too far into the future on some hardware. my dev box will only allow setting to the current month. |
| [20:36:59] | wagnerrp: | might want to talk to [R] in -users |
| [20:37:03] | Captain_Murdoch: | if you set it at the last scheduler run pre-midnight and shutdown post-midnight in the next month, the wakeup might not work. |
| [20:37:04] | wagnerrp: | i know he uses that shutdown timer stuff |
| [20:37:23] | wagnerrp: | he might have more information about the procedure |
| [20:37:41] | ** Captain_Murdoch just uses WOL slaves with a 24x7 dedicated MBE/fileserver. ** | |
| [20:38:07] | wagnerrp: | yeah, its worth that $50–100/yr to not have to deal with finickyness |
| [20:38:36] | stuartm: | Captain_Murdoch: we could always set it one last time during the automatic shutdown just as we do now, that way both cases should be covered – manual shutdown and automatic shutdown |
| [20:38:47] | Captain_Murdoch: | haven't had any finickyness. slaves WOL when they're supposed to. |
| [20:39:16] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: i mean for the MBE |
| [20:39:21] | wagnerrp: | and timed startup |
| [20:40:08] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, ah, yeah. nighttime is for job running and I have enough that records overnight as well due to schedmovehigher allowing lower priority things to record during a late-night repeat. |
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| [20:53:50] | stuartm: | we could also use some additional logic to start up a mbe once at least day to run mfdb, right now if there are no scheduled recordings the backend will shutdown and never wake up again ... |
| [20:54:44] | sphery: | fwiw, I'm pretty sure, mythwelcome has such logic/functionality :) |
| [20:56:03] | stuartm: | mythwelcome operates on the frontend, not the backend? |
| [20:56:28] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: both |
| [20:56:43] | sphery: | yeah, a system that runs a backend and may or may not run a frontend |
| [20:56:44] | wagnerrp: | it is supposed to be something for the frontend to drop back to, to allow the backend to shut down |
| [20:57:01] | wagnerrp: | without the frontend, there is no reason to run mythwelcome |
| [20:57:13] | wagnerrp: | without the backend, you just let the user control the power directly with the remote |
| [20:57:44] | stuartm: | right, and it's the backend that needs to wakeup, if the frontend is asleep too then it can't wake the backend to grab listings |
| [20:58:03] | stuartm: | anyway, there's plenty of room for improvement |
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| [20:58:37] | sphery: | but, if you do add in backend functionality to wake for mythfilldatabase, you should probably take a look at the setting mythwelcome uses for that and also use MythFillSuggestedRunTime if MythFillGrabberSuggestsTime (see, also, http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1815 ) |
| [20:58:39] | stuartm: | the wakeup to grab listings logic should be entirely contained in the backend, and that's easy enough to do |
| [20:59:11] | sphery: | without the frontend, the reason to run mythwelcome is because it integrates mythshutdown into the procedure |
| [20:59:12] | stuartm: | sphery: the suggested runtime was already on my mind :) |
| [20:59:27] | sphery: | i.e. it's the "out-of-the-box" wake on timer solution |
| [21:00:42] | stuartm: | as Paul notes in that ticket, mythwelcome currently just has a menu option "Grab Listings" or similar, it has no logic to do that automatically |
| [21:01:22] | stuartm: | I'm not sure it would be necessary to have that manual intervention option if the backend just did the right thing automatically |
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| [21:01:54] | fayek: | #mythtv-users |
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| [21:05:54] | sphery: | yeah, since we have backend-specific Shutdown/Wakeup Options (whole screen in mythtv-setup general options) and mythwelcome/mythshutdown options, and the new wol-based master-backend sleeping remote backends, it would be really nice to get it all combined into a single piece of logic (even if it's just reused with different UIs or whatever) |
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