| Friday, August 19th, 2011, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:39] | knightr: | (David seemed quite interested in doing the "right thing" when I last spoke to him but that was months ago...) |
| [00:03:31] | knightr: | I'll contact David, ask him if he got news from Juan (and I'll try to contact at least of the other guys)... If they are not currently working on the parts these tickets relate to I'll apply them (manually if needs be...) |
| [00:06:01] | Beirdo: | sounds like a plan to me |
| [00:10:53] | knightr: | Let's just hope this works out, this has been going on long enough... |
| [00:11:01] | Beirdo: | agreed |
| [00:16:01] | knightr: | ok, I'm going to the post office to get a parcel I have there and then I'll contact Kenni (which I already had to contact about something else anyway) and let him know about what I am going to do about the Spanish translation and I'll see what I can do about applying those tickets after that.. Thank guys, ttyl... |
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| [01:40:30] | danielk22: | stuartm: have you tried doing a distclean & rebuild? I'll fix the VB_ALL flag.. but it looks like that isn't the problem.. doing a full rebuild here without that change got rid of those extra logging message... |
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| [03:03:30] | Beirdo: | danielk22: you likely wanna do the same with VB_MOST |
| [03:03:43] | Beirdo: | since you're gonna be in there |
| [03:04:46] | Beirdo: | good to hear that a distclean may be all that's needed though |
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| [04:38:56] | Beirdo: | stuartm: I have a fix for the spewing messages I was seeing during playback. It's in testing at the moment though. |
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| [05:40:32] | Beirdo: | stuartm: the fix I have just delays it until playback isn't running, it seems |
| [05:41:15] | Beirdo: | it still spews that while sitting in the PBB. Until I go to "All Programs" where the recordings in progress are actually there to be updated |
| [05:41:46] | Beirdo: | and then if I sit there on one of them, the fanart flashes on and off the screen with every update of filesize |
| [05:41:49] | Beirdo: | BLECH :) |
| [05:42:00] | Beirdo: | the message (in case): |
| [05:42:10] | Beirdo: | 2011-08–18 22:39:01.891132 D PlaybackBox: UpdateUIListItem called with a title unknown to us in m_recordingList "Rookie Blue":Brotherhood |
| [05:42:28] | Beirdo: | from line 754 of playbackbox.cpp |
| [05:42:56] | Beirdo: | I give up for tonight. My fix is a dud, and I don't feel like debugging more tonight |
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| [09:42:43] | stuartm: | danielk22: distclean did the trick, strange :) |
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| [13:03:09] | Bombo: | hi |
| [13:04:16] | Bombo: | i just installed mythtv on debian squeeze but i cant get it to work, i ran mythtv-setup first, then mythbackend and i get this error: DVBChan(2:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Warning: Opening DVB frontend device failed. eno: Device or resource busy (16) |
| [13:05:26] | Bombo: | fuser /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 says nothing, and when i start kaffeine i can watch tv |
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| [16:08:35] | MythBuild: | build #827 of master-linux-ppc is complete: Exception [exception interrupted] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . c/builds/827 blamelist: Stuart Morgan <smorgan@mythtv.org >, Nicolas Riendeau <nriendeau@mythtv.org >, Gavin Hurlbut <ghurlbut@mythtv.org > |
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| [16:10:36] | Mousey: | mythtv's ppc buildslave returns! |
| [16:10:48] | ** Mousey apologizes for the delay ** | |
| [16:11:17] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [16:11:34] | Beirdo: | MythBuild: force build master-linux-ppc now |
| [16:11:35] | MythBuild: | build #828 forced |
| [16:11:35] | MythBuild: | I'll give a shout when the build finishes |
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| [16:28:03] | azexian: | hey I'm having a weird issue with mythtv (running under mythbuntu) I followed the guide to setup my tv card and making a channel.conf file and opening it with mplayer worked perfectly but using mythtv-setup the scan doesn't seem to work, I get a load of channels with no names and when I go to watch anything mythtv just crashes, anyway to simply import my channel.conf file in? |
| [16:28:48] | azexian: | sorry wrong channel, changing. |
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| [16:36:56] | danielk22: | Does anyone know if XMLTV is supposed to report times in UTC or the local time zone? |
| [16:40:07] | dekarl: | danielk22: explicit UTC "hh:mm Z" or explicit numeric offset to UTC "hh:mm -0600" are strongly encouraged. |
| [16:40:59] | dekarl: | floating time is defined as implicit UTC but some data sources deliver one of their local times (someimtes configureable) without signalling what it is |
| [16:41:38] | dekarl: | summary: do what you prefer but make it explicit :) |
| [16:42:00] | danielk22: | dekarl: thanks :) |
| [16:43:34] | dekarl: | http://xmltv.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/xmltv . . . w=markup#l65 (but ignore the stuff about CST being ok, there's 4 different CST after all :) |
| [16:52:49] | danielk22: | dekarl: my question was more whether we still needed the complicated logic to adjust for timezones.. it looks like we do even if we don't need it for well behaved grabbers :) |
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| [17:12:11] | MythBuild: | Hey! build master-linux-ppc #828 is complete: Success [build successful] |
| [17:12:11] | MythBuild: | Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . c/builds/828 |
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| [17:27:43] | sphery: | danielk22: Feel free to grab tickets http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8217 and http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9676 . I haven't done anything with them because of the mess of different requirements for SD and XMLTV users and the fact that the code we're using for mfdb is also used in other parts of MythTV for non-listings stuff. Also, please note that we should not rely on the DB to update the times on stored data--we need to use ... |
| [17:27:49] | sphery: | ... MythTV's concept of time zone difference to do date-manipulation of the values in the DB or /many/ users' data will be corrupted.. |
| [17:29:36] | danielk22: | sphery: what do you mean by relying on the DB? you mean it can do UTC->LocalTime conversions? |
| [17:29:42] | sphery: | (It sounds like you're looking to convert stored data to use UTC, in which case all datetimes (and possibly timestamps) in the DB need updating. Just don't want a solution based around MySQL doing the conversion since there are a lot of users whose MySQL understanding of time differs from ours.) |
| [17:30:43] | danielk22: | right. i haven't even looked at the DB aspect of this. just getting it to work with a fresh DB is step 1 :) |
| [17:30:53] | sphery: | I mean that a lot of users don't have MySQL properly configured for time zones--and MySQL's time zone info disagrees with the info we're using. So best is to use DATE_ADD() or similar to do the conversion |
| [17:31:24] | danielk22: | sphery: could you write up a sample query? |
| [17:31:25] | sphery: | yeah, just figured I'd mention it before you got too far so you could plan for it :) |
| [17:31:32] | sphery: | sure... maybe tomorrow? |
| [17:31:46] | sphery: | was just about to head out |
| [17:31:50] | danielk22: | that's earlier than i need it :) |
| [17:32:06] | danielk22: | My plan was to ping you before I touched the DB :) |
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| [17:34:37] | danielk22: | Doing the conversion is not a one man job... I'll create a branch for it once the basics are done. |
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| [17:35:04] | sphery: | Yeah, definitely needs some checking. Should be relatively straightforward, though, once we figure out what to convert... something to the effect of UPDATE table SET column = DATE_ADD(column, INTERVAL :AMOUNT SECOND); |
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| [17:35:34] | sphery: | I'll be updating the DB initialization (which will give us a "current" view of the DB schema), which will likely make it easier to find columns |
| [17:35:45] | danielk22: | Some things like by day recording rules will need a bit of thought, and there are also thousands of date/time manipulations in the code there are bound to be bugs. |
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| [17:36:16] | sphery: | yeah, those will be fun--since we're "overloading" the meaning of starttime for those |
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| [17:37:46] | sphery: | anyway, I'll definitely watch for a branch and all--will be nice to have date/times stored in UTC if for no other reasons than a) users won't tell us that MythTV devs don't know how to write programs that use dates and b) it will make direct DB access of recording-/listings-related information more challenging, so users may actually use the UIs we provide more. :) |
| [17:38:01] | danielk22: | hehe |
| [17:38:44] | sphery: | (i.e. since users think in local time, but the data will be stored in UTC, they'd have to account for the offset when looking for those primetime shows...) |
| [17:39:21] | sphery: | oh, and that reminds me... this will also mess up some custom recording rules--we'll have to decide whether to tell users to fix them themselves or to try to do it automatically (or both) |
| [17:40:07] | danielk22: | sphery: we can probably do some automated fixing.. but I also think the people with custom recording rules will be better placed to do the conversion than the average user. |
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| [17:41:57] | sphery: | yeah, makes sense |
| [17:46:45] | kormoc: | utc also fixes the daylight savings time issue, no? |
| [17:52:22] | jams: | i would think so |
| [17:53:44] | danielk22: | kormoc: right, that's the main reason to do it. |
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| [17:59:18] | stuartm: | danielk22: IMHO we should only be supporting well-behaved grabbers, it's not that hard to stick to the xmltv spec after all |
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| [18:00:22] | stuartm: | broken grabbers are only going to get fixed if we apply pressure |
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| [18:02:45] | danielk22: | stuartm: I just don't think it will work.. there is already pressure in that anyone using a broken grabber needs to specially configure MythTV. If the grabber write doesn't care about that, I don't see why they'd care if MythTV can't use the data at all. |
| [18:04:38] | skd5aner: | Hey, I know this is honestly pre-mature to ask, but any rough timeframe on a freeze/release? The reason I ask is because I'm over a month behind on going through the commits to the release notes and time is a little thin for me right now |
| [18:04:52] | skd5aner: | so I want to plan accordingly to ensure I can catch up prior to a freeze |
| [18:09:18] | danielk22: | skd5aner: The main objection to a release the last time it was raised was backend stability.. That may have been addressed with the recent DB patches. If so I still don't envision a release prior to October. |
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| [18:13:32] | skd5aner: | danielk22: np – I should be able to catch up by then I'd imagine – thx |
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| [18:53:36] | danielk22: | sphery: is there any way to globally tell mysql at the application level that the times we are inserting into the DB are all UTC? |
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| [19:20:42] | danielk22: | AFAICT set @@local.time_zone="UTC"; <-- this should work for the session, but does not.. |
| [19:22:27] | danielk22: | heh, this doesn't object -> set @@local.time_zone="+00:00"; |
| [19:23:52] | danielk22: | It doesn't actually seem to make any difference what I set it to though. |
| [19:26:21] | danielk22: | Right, DATETIME is timezone agnostic this only affects NOW() and the like. |
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| [19:49:59] | kormoc: | danielk22, SET time_zone='UTC'; |
| [19:52:24] | kormoc: | danielk22, http://paste2.org/p/1596488 |
| [19:53:08] | kormoc: | danielk22, keep in mind, not everyone will have timezone support in mysql |
| [19:53:49] | danielk22: | kormoc: who will not have timezone support? removing all the NOW() calls from our SQL is a bit annoying.. |
| [19:55:12] | kormoc: | danielk22, timezone support is controlled by tables in the mysql database. Most distress set them up for you, but not all do, or if you install from source, or if you deleted them (people do this when they 'reset' the database) |
| [19:56:05] | kormoc: | It's easily fixed with mysql_tzinfo_to_sql, just worth knowing that the call might not work right all the time |
| [19:58:34] | danielk22: | kormoc: *shrug* then we'll tell those users to fix it the problem.. If it only effects gurus and people who mess up their DB royally then I'm not going to worry about it. :) |
| [20:00:59] | kormoc: | Heh, understandable, just wanted to mention an edge case :) |
| [20:01:18] | danielk22: | yeah, appreciated :) |
| [20:04:26] | danielk22: | I was worried it might be all Windows users or something like that... |
| [20:05:56] | skd5aner: | kormoc, danielk22: When certain circumstances like that may require user intervention, I typically have a section in the release notes that details that – so, if that becomes an issue, please point it out to me so that we can call it out |
| [20:06:12] | skd5aner: | that way you can say "see... it was posted in the release notes in the "specical considerations" section" |
| [20:06:23] | kormoc: | skd5aner, heh, sounds good :) |
| [20:27:22] | Beirdo: | danielk22: the second line in that patch was unnecessary :) |
| [20:27:39] | Beirdo: | as they fall into the case below (no break – intentionally) |
| [20:28:27] | Beirdo: | not that it does any harm |
| [20:28:58] | Beirdo: | and yeah, libav stuff needs some tweaking, hopefully that's better |
| [20:29:10] | stuartm: | danielk22: on the subject of unnecessary verbosity, printing out the entire PMT (or was it PAT) when we cannot tune to a channel quickly adds up to huge logs because of active EIT scanning, should we move that to LOG_DEBUG? |
| [20:30:11] | stuartm: | with satellite it's pretty common for fringe channels to come and go, hence they aren't listed in the tables when the scanner tries to tune them |
| [20:31:46] | danielk22: | stuartm: I thought theat was already relegated to VB_RECORD or VB_CHANNEL or some other debugging verbosity. |
| [20:32:31] | Beirdo: | VB and LOG levels are separate though. You may not want to see it in VB_RECORD all the time (so punt down to LOG_DEBUG as well) |
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| [20:33:48] | danielk22: | Beirdo: At VB_RECORD this would be pretty much the most important thing to see. It might make sense as VB_RECORD, LOG_CRIT :) |
| [20:34:32] | Beirdo: | cool. Just mentioning the conceptual difference :) You guys tweak em as you see fit :) |
| [20:40:55] | stuartm: | danielk22: could be, I remember mentioning it once before I just don't recall anything coming of that, I'll check and move it if not |
| [20:43:55] | dekarl: | danielk22: might as well break the grabbers with an ahead warning and force them to fix their stuff. They are breaking the contract and make it harder for me to convince you to do the right thing :) (remove the option or set it to auto at least) |
| [20:47:57] | stuartm: | there is something to be said for forcing grabbers to comply, and not just code simplification but ease of setup for users – maybe we need advertise the advantages as well as applying the stick |
| [20:49:41] | stuartm: | we could add a great big warning to the log output and the helptext for the setting, plus warn on the mailing list, that should at least give plenty of forewarning that we intend to remove the capability in future |
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| [20:51:50] | dekarl: | going all utc will solve a bag full of issues with time zones but bring out some bugs in the grabbers/ dumb files. I'd like to add some autoconfiguration stuff (matching list of onid:sid->xmltvid), too. so there's only the grabber to select and the user is done. Might be a good tradeoff. And it's only about broken sources anyway |
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| [20:52:58] | stuartm: | dekarl: lineup stuff such as that has been suggested multiple times, but it's never got beyond discussion in xmltv-devel |
| [20:54:53] | stuartm: | if you can get it moving again then I'll owe you a beer or ten |
| [20:57:07] | dekarl: | I've talked to BenB (of Proposal No. 2 for some hours today and he's eager to get *something* going, too. now we "just" need to agree on the next steps :) |
| [21:08:40] | Beirdo: | more beer will help with the agree part |
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| [21:37:59] | stuartm: | ok, I've reduced pending DVB icon mappings by 30,000 – just 36,000 left to go |
| [21:38:12] | stuartm: | and then there are the xmltv and ATSC mappings |
| [21:38:26] | stuartm: | I think callsign mappings are a lost cause |
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| [21:42:35] | stuartm: | danielk22: there are two or three open tickets for that segfault |
| [21:43:44] | stuartm: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9634 http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9388 |
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| [21:55:50] | danielk22: | Hmm, it's for fixes too? |
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| [22:00:46] | danielk22: | stuartm: looks like those are about something... |
| [22:06:33] | danielk22: | stuartm: the problem i fixed does apply to 0.24-fixes but I don't believe it is the same bug as either of those. |
| [22:09:41] | danielk22: | I don't like those backtraces either. one is on a SIGABRT and the other doesn't tell us which thread caused the segfault. |
| [22:11:14] | stuartm: | wishful thinking on my part then |
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| [22:42:47] | Beirdo: | ones that are SIGABRT are often (for me anyways) qWarning with fatal warnings turned on, and the one piece of information that is crucial is what that warning said. |
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