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| [01:24:42] | danielk22: | Heh, so far my favorite feature of C++11 is from Delphi — override — when present on a virtual function it will error out if the parent no longer provides a virtual function with that exact signature. |
| [01:27:45] | danielk22: | nullptr is nice, but the NULL macro in g++ provides the same advantage over 0 when initializing pointers. The auto type and the new template stuff just seem like the kind of "features" that will only cause grief. |
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| [08:18:52] | stuarta: | danielk22: what about the stuff to avoid deep copies? |
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| [09:12:27] | MJBrune: | hey |
| [09:12:39] | MJBrune: | can mythtv run files from samba shares? |
| [09:12:59] | MJBrune: | erm sorry |
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| [09:26:56] | stuartm: | danielk22: I like the sound of override |
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| [11:17:39] | stuartm: | danielk22: not only does override guard against mistakes but it also documents that the method is overriding a virtual in the base class, which can save some time if you're unfamiliar with the code |
| [11:17:53] | stuartm: | so there are multiple reasons to like it :) |
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| [12:23:29] | danielk22: | stuartm: re deep copies you mean being able to call other constructors or something else. The other constructor stuff can be convenient, but the limitation is easily worked around in C++03 |
| [12:24:47] | stuarta: | that was mee |
| [12:25:49] | danielk22: | stuarta: being able to write int x = 3; in the class definition will be nice and help keep multiple constructors setting the same constant consistent. |
| [12:26:44] | stuarta: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%2B%2B0x is what i was looking at |
| [12:27:43] | stuarta: | under the core language runtime improvements / rvalue references and move constructors 2nd paragraph "A chronic performance problem...." |
| [12:29:49] | danielk22: | That both overstates the problem and the power of the C++11 solution. |
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| [12:33:13] | danielk22: | They don't implement Qt container style shared data because the reference counting adds a 10–20% speed penalty, so all this solution does is allow you to write "vector<int> GetVector()" instead of "void GetVector(vector<int> &)" |
| [12:52:09] | stuartm: | xris: the channel icon resync, I'm sure you've told me how to do it before but I can't remember? |
| [12:54:59] | ** stuartm is running "db.pl --scan lyngsat" and hoping that it doesn't screw anything up ** | |
| [12:55:39] | stuartm: | fwiw, the hdtv icon grab seems broken |
| [12:56:29] | stuartm: | looks like they've dropped those pages |
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| [13:36:45] | stuartm: | xris: for some reason submissions I know are in the pending queue (they are in the pending_dvb table) aren't showing up in the edit screen |
| [13:36:55] | stuartm: | s/edit/approval/ |
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| [14:58:51] | stuartm: | xris: something funky is going on with the icon stuff, counts on submissions in the database are often much higher than those displayed, in one case I've found it displayed '115' in the database but just '32' on the site |
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| [15:20:59] | paul-h: | stuartm: Terra is complaining loudly about a missing image in the Video Browser mv_browse_nocover.png. Maybe it should be mv_browse_nocover_large.png? |
| [15:46:05] | stuartm: | paul-h: I'll take a look |
| [15:47:16] | stuartm: | xris: I think I'll add a timestamp column to the pending_ tables so we can weed out the oldest submissions, especially those were only one was received |
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| [16:26:51] | MythBuild: | build #1764 of master-linux-32bit is complete: Failure [failed compile plugins] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . /builds/1764 blamelist: foobum <foobum@gmail.com > |
| [16:36:54] | wagnerrp: | jya: ^^^^ |
| [16:37:15] | iamlindoro: | wrong guy |
| [16:37:41] | wagnerrp: | oh, paul-h pushed it? |
| [16:37:49] | wagnerrp: | ok... paul-h ^^^ |
| [16:40:14] | dekarl: | stuartm: have you imported new channel icons from lyngsat? If so I'll fire up setup and attach some to their dvb channels |
| [16:42:49] | stuartm: | dekarl: yes, the database has been updated |
| [16:43:27] | stuartm: | I might setup a weekly cron job to keep it in sync |
| [16:43:32] | dekarl: | thanks! |
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| [16:50:49] | dekarl: | stuartm: I can't assign logos to channels with "," in their name , shall I file a bug? (Looking at "NDR 90,3" FM station, so it's not really that important) |
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| [16:54:55] | stuartm: | yeah, file a ticket please and we'll see if that can be fixed |
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| [16:56:08] | dekarl: | will do |
| [16:57:42] | stuartm: | heh, after hours of approving icon submissions there are still 68,229 dvb submissions remaining |
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| [17:10:29] | dekarl: | stuartm: are the submissions grouped by channel <-> icon or something? 70k different combinations sounds a bit high... (checking if grouping by onid:sid works would be cool. It should be valid but I've only seen data for 4 countries yet) |
| [17:10:56] | MythBuild: | build #1765 of master-linux-32bit is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . /builds/1765 |
| [17:11:51] | stuartm: | dekarl: that's individual submissions, the actual combinations is much lower, although still unmanageably high |
| [17:14:19] | dekarl: | ah ok, then 70k isn't that much (but still alot) |
| [17:14:30] | stuartm: | the db structure and sqlite limitations makes it difficult to give stats on the number of distinct combinations |
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| [17:15:43] | iamlindoro: | dekarl: stuartm: We have a ticket open for channel icon search that suggests it doesn't work with spaces, uncertain whether that might be somehow related to the ticket you've just opened-- purely informational |
| [17:15:46] | stuartm: | I might try to add some auto-approval logic |
| [17:17:16] | stuartm: | and sorting options to the approval screen, so that it's easier to use |
| [17:20:14] | dekarl: | iamlindoro: works ok with spaces (searching for "france 24 in english" used to return every channel that has "france" or "24" or "in" or "english" somewhere in it's name, now it returns every channel with "france" in it. good enough for me :) |
| [17:20:34] | iamlindoro: | dekarl: Yeah, I think that's what the ticket is about |
| [17:20:46] | iamlindoro: | good enough for you, but apparently not for the reporter |
| [17:20:57] | iamlindoro: | (and understandable when it's a US channel with hundreds of spinoff channels) |
| [17:21:19] | dekarl: | ohh, I'm talking about #9991 now. the data that comes down from lyngsat is mangled for channels containing "," |
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| [17:48:15] | xris: | stuartm: I really need to find some time to get that db into mysql. |
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| [18:09:13] | MJBrune: | w/c |
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| [18:22:03] | wagnerrp: | w/c? |
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| [20:44:19] | taylorr: | I say that when we reach 10,000 tickets we close them all and restart at number 1 again |
| [20:52:24] | stuartm: | fork the project just so that we can clear the ticket backlog? |
| [20:53:00] | iamlindoro: | Abandon ship! |
| [20:53:21] | wagnerrp: | no, you filed this ticket against mythtv, we are now Suave |
| [20:54:15] | taylorr: | we can just claim that Trac only supports a max of 10k tickets and it was necessary |
| [20:54:32] | iamlindoro: | Not even that, just blame a DB failure |
| [20:54:39] | iamlindoro: | "whoops" |
| [20:55:30] | wagnerrp: | i meant to log out, but i accidentally hit 'rm -rf /', sorry folks, youll have to add your tickets back |
| [20:55:36] | kormoc: | "Our DBA ran DELETE FROM Tickets WHERE id; = 9424; |
| [20:55:48] | wagnerrp: | hey look! no reported bugs! looks like time to package and release! |
| [20:57:50] | sphery: | blame it on our cloud provider, or "hacktivists" protesting our lack of support for stolen videos, or ... |
| [20:58:06] | iamlindoro: | "Stupid Anonymous!" |
| [21:15:58] | stuartm: | it's believable, I don't think security on our server is especially high |
| [21:16:51] | stuartm: | and I don't know what backup procedures we have in place, but I can guess ... |
| [21:17:24] | iamlindoro: | Probably easily summed up as "backups?" |
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| [21:22:32] | benkevan: | So what's the happening PVR that works with MythTV that records in 1080P? |
| [21:22:47] | MythBuild: | build #70 of 0.24-linux-ppc is complete: Failure [failed configure core compile core] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/0.24 . . . pc/builds/70 blamelist: Taylor Ralph <tralph@mythtv.org > |
| [21:25:49] | sphery: | benkevan: /topic (you want #mythtv-users ) |
| [21:26:26] | benkevan: | whoops.. thanks. |
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| [21:30:50] | stuartm: | that's a little mis-leading, Taylor didn't break the build |
| [21:32:06] | stuartm: | I wish it was a little smarter, if the previous build was also broken then don't send out an alert |
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| [21:43:52] | taylorr: | heh, I was wondering what I could have done wrong :) |
| [21:44:50] | wagnerrp: | the buildbot wont automatically bisect until it finds the actual bad commit? |
| [21:45:14] | taylorr: | danielk22: if you have time or desire please look at my comments for the commit -> https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/e4bcc . . . 94a2a18efb5b |
| [21:45:50] | taylorr: | I'm wondering if the recorders could be modified to support total frames and duration support |
| [21:46:14] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: it was broken hours before Taylor's commit, it wouldn't need to bi-sect in that scenario |
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| [22:36:40] | wagnerrp: | these logs http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/20 . . . /071117.html indicate jonathan is already running a buildbot for windows |
| [22:36:51] | wagnerrp: | any thought on approaching him to link into our system? |
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| [22:49:26] | sphery: | wagnerrp: he was in here around the 8th and he and Beirdo were talking about it |
| [22:50:18] | sphery: | FWIW, http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/4/2011-08-08:21:26:02 |
| [22:55:31] | danielk22: | taylorr: I |
| [22:56:35] | Beirdo: | yeah, it will be worked on some more :) |
| [22:58:33] | danielk22: | taylorr: I'm sure that could be done. But I'd really like to somehow mark the extents, so if we start a recording at 19:55:00, we see the first frame at 20:00:30, it drops out at 20:05:34 to 20:05:56, and again at 20:53:57 to 20:56:02, and then ends at 21:03:00 all of that is marked somehow. |
| [22:59:11] | danielk22: | taylorr: Then we can decide after the fact if the recording is whole enough or if we should re-record. |
| [23:08:04] | danielk22: | + we could show real wall clock time in the UI even if there are gaps or frame rate changes. |
| [23:11:52] | jya: | hi everyone... |
| [23:12:31] | jya: | just a quick question: what was the reason we didn't use jura+fisheye for the mythtv development site? |
| [23:12:53] | wagnerrp: | we had both up for a while during the git transition |
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| [23:12:56] | jya: | (currently evaluating jira and other atlassian application)) |
| [23:13:02] | wagnerrp: | no one seemed to like them any more than trac |
| [23:13:08] | wagnerrp: | so they were abandoned |
| [23:14:02] | jya: | ok.. it wasn't related to performance issue or the like ... |
| [23:17:14] | wagnerrp: | it may have been more people didnt even know it was there, or didnt care to learn a new ticketing system along with a new revisioning system |
| [23:17:30] | wagnerrp: | xris set it up, he would know more |
| [23:18:54] | jya: | it's not so much the ticketing system I like in jura, more so all the plugins that are available.. huge amounts of them |
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| [23:21:42] | xris: | performance issue was with git and fisheye |
| [23:22:06] | xris: | jira uses a lot of resources, but it's a java app and to be expected. not insane, though. |
| [23:22:31] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the java instance was sucking down several GB of memory |
| [23:22:41] | xris: | fisheye + git would continuously make the server unresponsive |
| [23:22:49] | wagnerrp: | fine when we were on the old server (16GB) |
| [23:23:01] | wagnerrp: | but on the temporary VM instance with only 4GB, it would have killed us |
| [23:23:18] | xris: | and we should get that old server back soon. can start moving back early next week, hopefully |
| [23:23:21] | wagnerrp: | theres a number of things we had to shut down in trac due to memory issues and incompatibilities with git |
| [23:23:45] | xris: | jya: jira's a great ticketing system, but like most it takes a fair amount of setup to get it to work just right. |
| [23:23:54] | xris: | these days I almost want to just say to use bugzilla. :) |
| [23:25:05] | jya: | been using bugzilla for close to 10 years now |
| [23:25:11] | jya: | ready for a change :) |
| [23:25:23] | jya: | the server I'm going to use has 8GB of RAM.. |
| [23:25:27] | xris: | fwiw, mythtv chose not to use jira because none of the devs cared enough to use it over trac |
| [23:25:31] | jya: | the default JVM for jura sucks 1GB already |
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| [23:30:47] | stuartm: | jya: at the end of the day no-one has really expressed disatisfaction with trac, it does it's job, it's simple and easy to use – the same cannot be said for jira et al which are powerful, but less user-friendly (IMHO) |
| [23:32:01] | jya: | thanks for the comment. I'm starting a new company… So fresh start and looking at different dev tools for the job. Jira Studio (hosted) looks fantastic. But it's quite pricey... |
| [23:32:26] | stuartm: | while we're a large enough project, we're not quite at the scale where we need an enterprise level bug tracker (again IMHO) |
| [23:37:50] | stuartm: | the ability to create complex custom reports doesn't get bugs fixed after all, it's worth keeping that perspective, expensive professional tools don't automatically make you any better at your job and when you're starting a new business they can be a waste of precious capital |
| [23:39:31] | xris: | stuartm: I find a good set up jira more user friendly than trac, but it *is* designed more for users who have accounts. the public-only UI is more complex |
| [23:40:57] | stuartm: | xris: maybe I didn't give it enough of a chance, but I kept getting lost which wasn't a great start |
| [23:42:00] | xris: | stuartm: and the one I had set up for us wasn't exactly configured well. |
| [23:42:15] | xris: | I didn't want to put many hours into it if we weren't going to use it. catch-22, I guess. |
| [23:45:40] | stuartm: | oh well, I'm happy enough with trac for the amount of time I spend interacting with it in any given day |
| [23:51:17] | sphery: | FWIW, it seems to me that Qt's bug tracker (which Im' pretty sure is jira) has gotten more and more cumbersome over the years as they've gottem more and more garbage into the system. http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/ |
| [23:51:32] | sphery: | i.e. it's as difficult to find stuff in as our trac is |
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