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Sunday, July 17th, 2011, 00:18 UTC
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[01:36:40] wagnerrp: danielk22: i just had a recording, seems the commflag issues only exist when running a realtime flagging against an existing recording
[01:51:47] jams: cool, client seems to work on all 3 mythdistros + gentoo
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[03:17:42] patterson: kworld ub435-q v2 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/483845
[03:18:56] wagnerrp: ?
[03:19:11] iamlindoro: and wrong channel
[03:19:49] patterson: oh.just spend awhile tchatting with a vista 64 user who is a proud new owner of a kworld UB435-Q V2
[03:19:52] patterson: spent
[03:20:09] iamlindoro: unless this is about development you are doing on MythTV, you are in the wrong channel, see topic
[03:20:25] patterson: the thread mentions the developers lack of interest
[03:20:36] iamlindoro: we are not the developers of drivers
[03:20:38] wagnerrp: yes, the mythtv developers have no interest in developing tuner drivers
[03:20:45] patterson: thanks
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[07:34:39] dekarl: stuartm, iamlindoro: If the year is useful I can take a sweep at the xmltv grabbers and see that they pass it down if it's there. Is that only for movies or for series, too? (right now I pass the first aired date as year for episodes, might use the first airing ever or similar, so you get "BSG (2003): The Oath" instead of "BSG: The Oath (2009-01–30)" (just a random sample where i've seen the year as prominent distinction)
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[07:43:12] dekarl: stuartm: you are never going to get "local aired order" right unless you stick to one run on one channel. (just ordering by "recorded time" might be a good alternative) There will be reorders cuts and merges of episodes. leaving some out because the rating doesn't fit the timeslot (just seen that this week, very funny. just skip from 5 -> 7 and be done with it). So the "agreed upon tvdb order" is as good as anything else. might even
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[07:50:17] dekarl: iamlindoro: The silent fallback to english is worse then the missing local order. If I want my data in german with fallback to french I can't do that without checking if the text looks english when I asked for german :(
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[10:13:01] Unhelpful: oh, and stacked vold mount support is in... all we need to do is update ro.additionalmounts and vold.fstab for aries dual-storage targets ;D
[10:13:23] laga_: u wrong channeol?
[10:14:09] laga_: sorry, klaggy terminal. Unhelpful: wrong channel
[10:14:40] Unhelpful: so, it is! :(
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[11:48:02] Dapsaille: Hi
[11:48:36] Dapsaille: can someone help me regarding the syntax of mythfilldatabase for 0.25 .. i used "/usr/bin/mythfilldatabase --update --file 1 tvguide.xml" in 0.24 and i'm lost with 0.25 syntax
[11:53:11] Dapsaille: working response from #ubuntu-mythtv " /usr/bin/mythfilldatabase --update --file --sourceid 1 --xmlfile tvguide.xml"
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[12:38:58] stuartm: Dapsaille: which grabber are you using?
[12:44:58] dekarl: manual download from kazer... grabber is in, but not in packages yet...
[13:07:10] stuartm: ok thanks
[13:08:56] stuartm: I had to google that :)
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[13:41:37] stuartm: paul-h: nice
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[13:50:19] stuartm: odd error in plugins compile – "gameui.cpp:0: Warning: No relevant classes found. No output generated."
[13:51:14] stuartm: ah, it's a moc thing, we're asking for a moc build of that but it doesn't use qobject
[13:56:29] iamlindoro: stuartm: I thought I had pulled the #include "gameui.moc" out
[13:56:56] iamlindoro: In theory it shouldn't be necessary any more since it, ex-mythvideo, and recordings are all using the same metdata and image picker class
[13:57:20] iamlindoro: (and that was the stuff that required the latter two to do MOC)
[13:58:20] iamlindoro: hmm, yeah, I did... Is it still doing so? I'll look at it later
[13:58:45] stuartm: maybe I need to do a distclean
[13:59:01] iamlindoro: yeah, probably necessary if you haven't
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[14:24:26] stuartm: paul-h: year is a spinbox starting at zero?
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[14:26:18] stuartm: it could probably start a little higher than that so you don't have to scroll through two millennia to set a current date
[14:27:36] paul-h: you still need to be able to set it to 0 for not available
[14:29:41] stuartm: ok, I have an idea for that, I'll look at it later
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[14:40:52] stuartm: wagnerrp: http://pastebin.com/yKY3YTjr
[16:03:03] wagnerrp: stuartm: that error doesnt show up on the buildbots
[16:05:00] stuartm: yeah, distclean resolved it here
[16:05:43] stuartm: wagnerrp: oh sorry, thought you meant the moc error, no the error I pastebin'd is with the latest GCC
[16:08:17] wagnerrp: odd, that would mean its choosing the wrong overloaded method to use for that call
[16:08:36] wagnerrp: and stranger, it is not choosing the wrong overloaded method for all the other calls of that type
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[16:28:21] iamlindoro: stuartm: I discovered the bug you were running into yesterday with movies-- Just a stupid logic error-- will have that, plus matching based on year going in shortly
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[16:30:05] iamlindoro: Can only think of a few make + remakes that I can reliably find, but in testing, the two editions of Clash of the Titans each get their correct inetref because of the year hinting
[16:33:53] stuartm: iamlindoro: cool
[16:34:03] iamlindoro: pushed
[16:35:09] stuartm: wagnerrp: there may be other warnings, those two just caught me eye as they scrolled past
[16:35:32] stuartm: in fact there are dozens of new warnings with GCC 4.6.1
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[18:01:34] iamlindoro: paul-h: Looks like the genre search takes the value of the original metadata rather than the text value of the textedit
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[18:44:42] iamlindoro: paul-h: Out curiosity, does the rating state have to be required? I don't use a star/rating statetype anywhere in my themes
[18:46:25] iamlindoro: In mythvideo rating is a spinbox, might be nice to be able to use either
[18:58:08] paul-h: iamlindoro: good spot on the bug should be fixed
[18:58:30] iamlindoro: paul-h: Awesome, thanks... working on theming it now or I'll likely forget it for months ;)
[18:59:33] paul-h: Just need to print a photo for my dad then I'll look at adding support for a spinbox for the rating
[19:00:23] iamlindoro: paul-h: nice, thanks
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[19:08:28] stuartm: if I do a 'git reset HEAD^' is the commit message lost forever?
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[19:13:08] iamlindoro: stuartm: If you're concerned that it might be, you can do git commit --amend and copy it out
[19:14:55] stuartm: too late, I forgot to copy the load message before unstaging that commit to fix a bug
[19:15:14] stuartm: ah well, I'll just type a new, shorter message
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[20:16:29] iamlindoro: paul-h: Thanks :)
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[20:18:19] knightr: iamlindoro, nah, it's not actually committing, it's more that neither Kenni or I are implcated in any decision that has something to do with translations, the only time I was slightly implicated in one of them was because I saw other devs discuss about it and chimed in...
[20:19:47] paul-h: iamlindoro: you're welcome
[20:23:53] iamlindoro: stuartm: We have to allow manual inetref handling, since a) mythweb has no lookup currently and thus a user creating a rule there has to edit it manually if they want to have it in the rule, and b) sometimes lookup isn't correct, and needs to be fixed.
[20:24:50] stuartm: :(
[20:25:41] iamlindoro: stuartm: Also, again, these are not foreign concepts to our users-- they've been dealing with inetrefs in mythvideo for literally years. Now, I'm all for getting to a point where we could avoid showing it to them completely (ie, an "enter search text" box that pops up a popup with a search result and they pick from that list) but that's sort of outside of the scope of the patch in question
[20:26:09] iamlindoro: For *now*, the ability to see and edit the number is needed
[20:32:50] stuartm: can you understand that I'm a little concerned that such 'temporary' measures end up staying around for years because no-one bothers to do it right when there is band-aid already in place? Necessity is the mother of invention etc
[20:32:57] stuartm: Maybe Doug would be happy to implement that search box you mentioned if he just knew what was wanted?
[20:33:34] iamlindoro: stuartm: I can understand the concern, but with respect, I've been among the most consisten devs of the past several years, and have left nothing that I can recall half finished
[20:34:26] paul-h: iamlindoro: do you want a list :)
[20:34:39] iamlindoro: I also recall that similar sorts of prodding about work you hadn't even begun yet has recently gotten you quite upset, and I'm doing my best to avoid being sensitive about this, work which I've spent every spare hour on for weeks
[20:34:53] iamlindoro: paul-h: Sure, by all means, give me a list.
[20:36:53] iamlindoro: stuartm: I've specifically asked doug to leave looksups in Mythweb alone until I can complete a lookup implementation in the new API, so that it's all one set of code
[20:36:57] iamlindoro: er lookups
[20:38:16] paul-h: I've had to theme many default wide mythvideo screens that was just left using the default 4:3 screens for a start
[20:39:44] iamlindoro: Had you ever mentioned that to me? Perhaps it was just an oversight?
[20:40:45] paul-h: probably not because I know how much you love the default theme :)
[20:41:01] iamlindoro: Because I don't recall ever hearing about it-- it might be better in the future to ask, presuming it was just a mistake, rather than getting bent out of shape and then lashing out passive-aggressively
[20:41:57] iamlindoro: Well then let me just say it: If I failed to update some part of *both* default themes, it was an oversight.
[20:42:08] stuartm: iamlindoro: I wasn't criticising you or work you had done, I thought I was commenting on a user-contributed patch
[20:42:23] paul-h: I think the video manager still need updating
[20:42:47] paul-h: that may just be in MythCenter-wide not sure
[20:43:21] iamlindoro: paul-h: I didn't do the conversion of mythvideo to MythUI, so if the manager screen doesn't have a theme on both sides of default, you're blaming me for something which predates me even having responsibility for it
[20:44:07] stuartm: that would be my fault
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[20:46:24] stuartm: and I was overly optimistic that two things would happen, firstly that the default theme would very soon be replaced by something better and secondly that we get plenty of themers who cared enough to theme every screen so that the defaults were only seen in rare circumstances
[20:48:07] knightr: -++0.
[20:48:08] knightr: 00
[20:48:32] stuartm: sadly I was wrong, there weren't dozens of talented and dedicated themers waiting out in the user-base waiting for an improved ui library/xml schema
[20:49:40] knightr: oops, sorry for the garbage...
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[21:33:09] stuartm: knightr: to your knowledge, do most languages have words for today, tomorrow, yesterday? If I implement a change which displays those words instead of a date when looking at events is that likely to cause problems in translation?
[21:34:29] stuartm: it shouldn't be a problem for the European languages I know but maybe others?
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[21:36:59] stuartm: maybe I'm over-thinking it :)
[21:41:34] iamlindoro: Even if they lacked the words, every language surely has the concept, even if that means translating to "-1 day, +1 day" (which I doubt would be necessary)
[21:43:57] stuartm: yeah, I just had this vague recollection of some language(s) not having the concept but they may have been pretty obscure
[21:44:34] stuartm: my mind tends to wander to silly places sometimes ;)
[21:44:45] iamlindoro: stuartm: I have a question about the mapped text in timelist... can you give an example of where you might use that?
[21:45:11] iamlindoro: If I understand correctly, the old way was basically just starttime... but how might one use endtime?
[21:45:47] stuartm: iamlindoro: what I had in mind to allow was this – http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/concept_guide2.png
[21:45:52] iamlindoro: ps, thanks for keeping the docs up to date
[21:46:08] iamlindoro: ahh, I see, yeah, that makes sense
[21:46:26] stuartm: or variations on that basic idea
[21:46:54] iamlindoro: wonder if there might be a use for a templated "minutes to end" along the same lines
[21:46:55] stuartm: it's nowhere near as useful as the channel list textareas that I added
[21:47:22] iamlindoro: ie %STARTTIME% (in %MINUTESUNTIL% minutes)
[21:48:37] stuartm: iamlindoro: aye, we can add pretty much anything that people think of, even if it's rarely used it can't hurt and the flexibility is worth having
[21:49:14] iamlindoro: anyway, very glad to see the guide getting some love
[21:49:24] stuartm: I'll be working some more on the guide over the next week, basic changes for now but maybe by the end of them I might just go ahead and finish that proper mythui widget
[21:49:45] iamlindoro: if you tackle the "program/video/audioflags as statetypes" thing I might take another look for my stuff
[21:50:14] iamlindoro: For most of my purposes the standard grid works fine, I'd just love to come up with a really snazzy one that shows which shows are HD, etc.
[21:51:07] stuartm: ah, yeah that would be a no-brainer with a proper mythui widget
[21:53:29] stuartm: right now I'm planning statetypes for the channel list (on/off air, availability), making the category colour a theme thing not a setting, fixing a bunch of bugs such as cutdown not working, mouse support of some kind and whatever else I can think of
[21:54:03] iamlindoro: Cool... maybe I'll work up a sketch for a new guide for the concept I showed you the other day
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[22:38:26] wagnerrp: Captain_Murdoch: in regards to 9922, i'm going to try to serialize the output of the processPlay method
[22:38:44] wagnerrp: im going to add a string and a mutex to the class
[22:39:18] wagnerrp: such that it sends the command, locks, and then waits for the customEvent to unlock and feed it a response
[22:39:57] wagnerrp: rather than have the customEvent send the response directly
[22:45:23] knightr: stuartm, I checked for the languages we have in MythTV at this time and they all appear to have the concept of today, tomorrow and yesterday... If you need a more "official" answer I think I know where I could ask...
[22:47:37] stuartm: knightr: thanks, that's really all I need to know :)
[22:49:42] knightr: stuartm, np... btw, I checked all languages including the unmaintained ones so it's probably safe to say that the concept exist in all languages...
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[22:50:48] iamlindoro: stuartm: http://www.fecitfacta.com/guideidea.png There, just threw that together, incorporates a couple of the things I've long wanted to do with the guide
[22:51:06] stuartm: jpabq: nice catch on the popup thing, that one completely slipped past me so I can't have been reviewing too carefully
[22:53:11] stuartm: iamlindoro: yeah, I like the 'Now', I didn't think of that when planning the same for the date
[22:54:24] iamlindoro: yeah, would like the ability to color the whole currently-airing column one way, and to theme the individual programs... the only thing I can't quite see how one would do in MythUI is position the statetypes relative to the bottom-right
[22:54:34] stuartm: just so I'm sure I haven't missed anything, the new bits are the audio/video statetypes; subtitles and the time thing?
[22:55:07] iamlindoro: those, and the "airing now" color difference
[22:55:18] stuartm: iamlindoro: relative positioning is possible now iirc, jpabq implemented it
[22:55:18] iamlindoro: so I guess not that many differences, but I think they add polish
[22:55:42] iamlindoro: ah, ok, so if we had a true MythUI guide, I might just need a lesson in that
[22:56:18] stuartm: iamlindoro: right, I didn't see the 'airing now' bit for looking ;)
[22:56:52] stuartm: the 'airing now' is easy – statetype on status
[22:57:04] iamlindoro: yeah, that's what I had been thinking
[22:57:31] jpabq: stuartm, I have another patch which allows things like <area>75%+10, 100%-20, 55%-15, 35%+20</area>
[22:58:12] stuartm: iamlindoro: ok, nothing there that can't be done or conflicts with my planned implementation
[22:58:27] iamlindoro: nice!
[22:58:53] jpabq: I need to implement it for <position> and then I will commit it.
[22:59:00] stuartm: I can do the time thing tomorrow
[22:59:56] iamlindoro: Well, off to go find out if Snape is Harry's Dad
[22:59:58] stuartm: jpabq: ok, sounds good, if a little complex :)
[23:00:01] wagnerrp: QMutex doesnt support unlocking a mutex in a different thread than it was locked in, what can i use instead?
[23:00:09] wagnerrp: QWaitCondition?
[23:00:17] stuartm: Snape? Harry?
[23:01:12] jpabq: stuartm, yeah, a little complete, but very handy if you want an area to start 50 pixels inside the bottom right corner.
[23:01:59] jpabq: I have not seen the previous Harry Potter movie yet. Guess that needs to come before the latest one.
[23:02:33] stuartm: jpabq: aye and I can't think of a better way to do it, it just feels like there should be a simpler markup
[23:04:15] iamlindoro: <area relative="bottomright">150,150,140,40</area>
[23:08:07] jpabq: iamlindoro, accept then you would also need things like <area relative="middle"> and such. I have already made use of <area>0, 50%-15, 15, 15</area>. I see no reason not to give the themer full control, there.
[23:08:48] stuartm: iamlindoro: that gets messy if you need x to be relative to one margin, y to another
[23:08:57] stuartm: although ...
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[23:11:59] stuartm: iamlindoro's idea could work as 'simple' version alongside the more complex 'math' based approach, if we allow the four corners as values of 'relative'
[23:14:23] jpabq: stuartm, I will leave that up to you. I am willing to commit the 'math' approach – or not, as you prefer. You could build apon it to add the attributes.
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[23:22:55] stuartm: please go ahead and commit what you've got
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[23:35:37] stuartm: the real trick with the guide widget is going to be knowing when to not show certain info because there isn't enough room for everything, that's going to require the themer to think carefully about how they lay things out
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