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| [01:04:04] | _klk_: | hi all |
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| [01:05:32] | _klk_: | i'm using mythcommflag manually to see if it can detect commercials in a video capture i did off my dish receiver. i passed the —skipdb flag, but it still seems to be trying to connect to a database (which doesn't exist). |
| [01:05:48] | _klk_: | here's the output: http://pastebin.com/C9J7feb7 |
| [01:05:51] | iamlindoro: | wrong channel, see topic |
| [01:06:07] | _klk_: | ok |
| [01:06:08] | _klk_: | thanks |
| [01:06:10] | wagnerrp: | _klk_: it has been fixed in trunk |
| [01:06:32] | _klk_: | wagnerrp: ah, ok i was using last stable release |
| [01:06:38] | _klk_: | i'll grab the sources and try again |
| [01:06:39] | _klk_: | thanks |
| [01:06:44] | iamlindoro: | two stable releases ago, actually |
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| [01:08:29] | Captain_Murdoch: | iamlindoro, I re-ran the script to build the theme .zip files and uploaded them. once the ftp mirror rsync happens tonight, I'll update the download site index zip file and it will be downloadable. |
| [01:08:49] | Captain_Murdoch: | once we get back on our own server I'll get all that automated. |
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| [01:09:19] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch: Great, thank you, that update definitely needed to get out... though I guess a bit of delay as things were changing quickly was good too |
| [01:09:44] | ** Captain_Murdoch needs to get back upstairs sometime to his dev machine and remote dev FE so he can fix that remote FE theme download bug. ** | |
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| [02:36:35] | iamlindoro: | Gained a warning today in mythcommflag |
| [02:40:38] | Beirdo: | that one's from wagnerrp's changes earlier, I thought. I'm sure it will be cleaned up soon |
| [02:41:06] | Beirdo: | I think that whole routine ain't needed anymore after the latest set of refactoring |
| [02:42:03] | wagnerrp: | the 'this method is no longer in use' one? |
| [02:44:03] | Beirdo: | well, when you refactored to fix file/skipdb/rebuild, etc |
| [02:44:26] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i ended up writing a new function, before i realized the old one existed |
| [02:44:27] | Beirdo: | anyways, whatever works in the end, right? |
| [02:44:32] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [05:21:38] | MythBuild: | build #497 of master-freebsd-64bit is complete: Failure [failed git] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . t/builds/497 blamelist: Raymond Wagner <rwagner@mythtv.org > |
| [05:22:43] | wagnerrp: | what? |
| [05:23:57] | wagnerrp: | MythBuild: force build master-freebsd-64bit now |
| [05:23:57] | MythBuild: | build forced [ETA 10m16s] |
| [05:23:57] | MythBuild: | I'll give a shout when the build finishes |
| [05:24:11] | Beirdo: | connectivity issues again? |
| [05:38:08] | MythBuild: | build #498 of master-freebsd-64bit is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . t/builds/498 |
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| [06:27:42] | xris: | yay, pixmaps! thanks, Beirdo |
| [06:27:58] | Beirdo: | no problemo. It was driving me insane |
| [06:28:18] | xris: | now to see if that's the reason my stuff wasn't making it into the commflag queue |
| [06:28:57] | Beirdo: | oh, and all the recent pixmaps that did run... were trying to get the last frame of the show, which is absurd :) |
| [06:29:09] | Beirdo: | I wondered why I had so many with closing credits |
| [06:30:43] | xris: | that explains why a bunch of my kid-stuff was all black |
| [06:31:21] | Beirdo: | yeah, it's just odd how it was acting |
| [06:31:47] | Beirdo: | and so far I can't find any obvious cause for the change itself |
| [06:32:27] | xris: | wow, mfdb wget stuff prints to the console. |
| [06:32:32] | Beirdo: | I probably have to go a couple more layers back in the code and search history there to find the ultimate cause |
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| [10:10:20] | stuartm: | I did mention the last frame pixmap issue about three weeks back ... |
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| [11:12:29] | bmartin_: | hello mythtv people :) ... I wondered if a product exists that means I can run a network cable from my router to my TV (via DVI) .. that means I can use MythTV in my living room without having to have another frontend computer |
| [11:27:21] | wagnerrp: | sounds like a user support question |
| [11:27:43] | wagnerrp: | this is the development channel |
| [11:28:40] | bmartin_: | sorry.. I'll go there now |
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| [16:00:33] | iamlindoro: | I wonder if we could use a Frontend schema-like update mechanism that presents the user with a list of "what's new" and lets them step through a series of optional changes |
| [16:01:52] | iamlindoro: | ie, it would be nice if upon upgrading to .25, I could present the user with a popup that explained the new metadata lookup for recordings, and offered to do a one-step update that modified all their recording rules to do automated lookup on all their rules, recordings, pull in artwork, etc... then the user could just choose to accept or decline those automated changes |
| [16:10:52] | stuarta: | asking the users questions like that will make them go wtf |
| [16:11:14] | stuarta: | it makes for a support nightmare |
| [16:11:19] | iamlindoro: | I disagree entirely |
| [16:11:21] | stuarta: | some people will accept the changes, some wont |
| [16:11:39] | stuarta: | so then what is the "correct" DB schema? |
| [16:11:47] | iamlindoro: | It's not a schema change |
| [16:11:53] | iamlindoro: | they're settings changes |
| [16:12:01] | iamlindoro: | ergo schema-like, not a schema |
| [16:12:13] | stuarta: | i shall go back to sleep then |
| [16:14:12] | danielk22: | iamlindoro: I think as long as it's well labeled as an informative upgrade message it would be useful without being a annoying. |
| [16:14:39] | iamlindoro: | The idea being to prevent an upgrading user from having to go to each and every recording rule and set it to allow metadata lookup jobs... I suppose I could unilaterally just set them all to "on," but presenting the user with a nice "what's new, and do you want it turned on yes/no" seemed like a nice touch |
| [16:15:24] | iamlindoro: | And it just seemed like other things we've had to do in the past could have used a similar popup, since we tend to err on the side of just turning off everything new for fear of irritating people |
| [16:16:31] | danielk22: | iamlindoro: I've been annoyed by upgrade messages in the last 48 hours.. but only because it is one of those applications that "upgrades" every couple months. A message every 6 months to a year is an entirely different beast. |
| [16:17:09] | iamlindoro: | danielk22: Maybe I'll see if I can get something working so that people can try it and see if they think it's a good idea... yeah, just a couple decisions presented in a friendly format on an major version upgrade |
| [16:17:34] | jams: | long as it can be dismissed and not hound you to complete, I see no problem with it. |
| [16:17:56] | iamlindoro: | jams: Sure, you would just say "no" and it would do nothing |
| [16:18:05] | jams: | pefect |
| [16:18:11] | jams: | perfect |
| [16:18:32] | jams: | and not reoccur at a later date unless the user asked it to |
| [16:18:47] | danielk22: | skype really has it over irc where "s/pefect/perfect/" really would fix the previous line :) |
| [16:19:25] | jams: | :) |
| [16:19:40] | davide_: | i suggest the tivo system news model. mundane information was in a menu location that was easy to check when desired and only really, really important stuff resulted in a popup. |
| [16:24:13] | mrand: | another unsolicited opinion: it would be nice if what you took the user to was a screen that they could go back to later (kinda like system info screen?) to re-read and possibly re-select "yes" in case they accidentally selected no. I'd hate for someone with lots of recording rules to be stuck doing it by hand simply because of a fat finger, or power outage, because they want to research something first. |
| [16:24:14] | mrand: | Plus no telling what uses yo might come up with this in the future. |
| [16:24:27] | iamlindoro: | In my particular instance, I was thinking: "What's new in .25? MythTV can now look up the season, episode, and other information for your recordings. If you'd like to use this feature, simply press yes. All of your existing recording rules will be updated to use this feature, and we will attempt to look up this information for your existing recordings. In addition, MythTV will download and assign fanart, banners, and coverart to all y |
| [16:24:27] | iamlindoro: | recordings. If you select no, all of these features can be activated manually in the future." |
| [16:24:47] | iamlindoro: | And yeah, I can see the wisdom of being able to review the previous notifiers |
| [16:25:51] | iamlindoro: | What I'm looking for is a "friendly" way to automate the adjustment of large numbers of settings and options without the user having to do it more than I am about presenting a changelog |
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| [16:30:28] | mrand: | iamlindoro: understood – I was thinking that too. I just know that in the past, I've decided to not do something for some reason or other, only to later have to dig real deep, or have to do extra work, because I was now ready to make the changes. |
| [16:31:00] | superm1: | just as an fyi, noticed with 0.25 tmdb.py (which is called from that new mythmetadata binary) appears to need a newer python-mysqldb version (or oursql) i've backported it to the 0.25 PPA on lucid and natty and uploaded it to oneiric. |
| [16:31:24] | iamlindoro: | superm1: I think it's the bindings in general that require 1.3 |
| [16:31:30] | iamlindoro: | but yeah, needs it |
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| [16:31:40] | iamlindoro: | (I ran into the same problem and had to manually install) |
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| [16:31:46] | superm1: | right |
| [16:31:54] | superm1: | i'll try to get a formal backport to lucid-backports and natty-backports too for people who don't use the PPA |
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| [17:05:51] | wagnerrp: | superm1: the python bindings require 1.2.3 if running python 2.7 |
| [17:05:59] | wagnerrp: | 1.2.2 is allowed on 2.6 |
| [17:06:12] | superm1: | ah then i think the lucid backport can be ignored |
| [17:06:18] | superm1: | just need it for natty and oneiric |
| [17:06:19] | wagnerrp: | there were DB API changes in 2.7 that meant the MySQLdb packages from working |
| [17:06:25] | wagnerrp: | which were not resolved until 1.2.3 |
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| [18:29:28] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: the release of the 64bit flash plugin with hardware decoding support is good news, I might finally be able to make proper use of mythnetvision :) |
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| [18:54:01] | jams: | here is what I have so far. http://jmeyer.us/myth_smoon.png data is a bit bogus and sparse but you get the idea |
| [19:00:42] | wagnerrp: | any way we could parse the tag and version out of the version string, and get a timeline bar chart? |
| [19:01:35] | wagnerrp: | although that would rely on packagers following that syntax properly |
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| [19:05:32] | jams: | it would be eaiser todo that parsing on the client side |
| [19:06:04] | jams: | maybe it makes sense to use libapi instead of version |
| [19:06:40] | jams: | guess it all depends on how you want to use the data. |
| [19:06:58] | wagnerrp: | let me know what you want changed client side |
| [19:07:15] | jams: | qt and channel count will be added shortly..somehow i skipped over them |
| [19:07:51] | jams: | that and alsa vs OSS maybe detect if pulse and jack is available |
| [19:09:16] | jams: | that and I really didn't know what todo with the playbackprofile info |
| [19:09:34] | jams: | it's in the db, but so far it's not being used for anything |
| [19:20:10] | danielk22: | stuartm: iamlindoro: paul-h: looks like there is even a kde4 specific flash 11 player, kcm_adobe_flash_player.so. I wonder if that one would make a better fit for the internal web browser. |
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| [19:23:44] | danielk22: | Even better, in a quick test I'm not seeing the video tearing that usually make flash so difficult to bear. |
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| [19:45:11] | stuartm: | I've only done light testing so far, I still see a little tearing but it's bearable, more importantly I can play videos fullscreen which was previously impossible on this hardware and even 720p video plays pretty smoothly |
| [20:09:07] | SteveGoodey: | Hi, hope you don't mind a question. Mythtv written in C++ correct? Any recommendations for a programming newbie on a book to get to learn? |
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| [22:17:12] | xris: | j-rod: new hauppauge toy today? |
| [22:18:34] | wagnerrp: | just an IR cable |
| [22:18:43] | wagnerrp: | and not yet, its in the mail |
| [22:19:02] | xris: | ah, interesting. cablecard tuner box... |
| [22:19:36] | wagnerrp: | unless he mentioned something else |
| [22:19:48] | wagnerrp: | the usb thing talked about on the mailing list? |
| [22:20:13] | xris: | yeah |
| [22:20:23] | xris: | dcr-2650 |
| [22:20:34] | xris: | $129 cablecard tuner for usb |
| [22:20:38] | wagnerrp: | didnt know he had one |
| [22:20:43] | xris: | just got announced today |
| [22:20:57] | xris: | it's on their facebook page. I don't even see it on their website. |
| [22:21:04] | wagnerrp: | s/today/a year and a half ago/ |
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| [22:21:23] | xris: | make that "tuesday" |
| [22:21:24] | wagnerrp: | a product name and shipping date was announced today |
| [22:21:58] | xris: | ah, I don't see the shipping date |
| [22:22:16] | wagnerrp: | ships 'this month' |
| [22:22:58] | xris: | huh. it's a colaboration with silicondust. |
| [22:23:07] | xris: | internals are the same as the Prime |
| [22:23:14] | wagnerrp: | yeah, it looks like it IS a prime |
| [22:23:29] | xris: | but usb instead of network. |
| [22:23:35] | xris: | and almost half the price |
| [22:24:03] | wagnerrp: | http://usingwindowshomeserver.com/2011/01/07/ . . . -mac-tuners/ |
| [22:24:09] | wagnerrp: | check out the picture of the internals |
| [22:24:22] | wagnerrp: | it even has the space on board for USB |
| [22:24:41] | wagnerrp: | remove the ethernet and tuning port, add the usb port, and you have the back of the 2650 |
| [22:24:51] | wagnerrp: | dimensions all line up |
| [22:25:09] | xris: | yeah, third tuner may just be disabled in firmware or something |
| [22:25:20] | xris: | either way.. that gives it a good chance of being supported in linux. |
| [22:25:36] | wagnerrp: | and if you look at the front of the 2650, you even see a spot in the LED panel for the third light for the third tuner |
| [22:25:38] | xris: | I *so* want to ditch my two cable boxes. |
| [22:25:58] | wagnerrp: | are you using firewire currently? |
| [22:26:00] | xris: | lol, yeah. funny |
| [22:26:04] | xris: | yeah, 2xfirewire |
| [22:26:40] | wagnerrp: | i wonder how this is supposed to work with switched video |
| [22:27:01] | wagnerrp: | the ceton and SD devices both have a USB host port to connect to the tuning adapter |
| [22:27:04] | wagnerrp: | this does not |
| [22:27:47] | xris: | tuning adapter? |
| [22:28:10] | wagnerrp: | for switched video |
| [22:28:18] | wagnerrp: | rather than broadcasting all the channels |
| [22:28:26] | wagnerrp: | they only broadcast the channels requested by a cable box |
| [22:28:40] | wagnerrp: | but since this is non-standard, it is not supported by cablecard tuners |
| [22:28:47] | wagnerrp: | only by their own cable boxes |
| [22:28:59] | xris: | ah. |
| [22:29:06] | wagnerrp: | so a tuning adapter is basically a full cable box, slaved into the cablecard tuner, to tell the headend that you want that channel |
| [22:29:19] | xris: | new tech. I recall the TMS rep talking about this at CES a couple years ago |
| [22:29:24] | wagnerrp: | if not already in use, it starts broadcasting, and then sends out an update of where it is |
| [22:29:40] | wagnerrp: | so any further uses all run off that same broadcast stream |
| [22:29:48] | wagnerrp: | allows you to free up a lot of bandwidth for on-demand stuff |
| [22:30:06] | xris: | yeah. or other stuff like internet |
| [22:30:26] | xris: | or more HD channels, etc. |
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