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| [00:36:54] | jya: | Beirdo: this is my cleanest attempt at fixing the compilation problem... http://pastebin.com/eNCLewT9 |
| [00:38:36] | Beirdo: | I don't see why libmythprotoserver needs any ffmpeg linkage at all |
| [00:38:45] | jya: | me neither... |
| [00:38:52] | Beirdo: | what am I missing here? Are we actually USING ffmpeg in there? |
| [00:39:19] | jya: | sounds more like it's linking another lib, which does need ffmpeg |
| [00:39:34] | ** Beirdo shudders ** | |
| [00:39:44] | jya: | I had to do the same thing in my fixes/0.24 backports |
| [00:39:44] | Beirdo: | the lib linkage hell continues |
| [00:40:10] | jya: | I believe this is related to the spdif code now being in libavformat (it used to be in libavutil) |
| [00:40:55] | jya: | just checks on both my mac and ubuntu 10.04; it compiles... |
| [00:42:20] | jya: | I added some of the extra linkage in settings.pro ; so you don't have to modify all the individual plugins (if failed for mytharchive, mythbrowser and mythgame |
| [00:42:50] | jya: | that particular error in the plugins only occur if you're building the backend with firewire support |
| [00:43:01] | jya: | (the default in the packager) |
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| [00:44:33] | jya: | I removed using the EXTRA_LIBS in only x11 build in libmythui ; it didn't make sense to me as libmyth and libmythtv use EXTRA_LIBS all the time |
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| [00:50:12] | Beirdo: | fun. |
| [00:54:53] | jya: | if you don't have any objections, I will compile this.. I doubt this would break linux or BSD built |
| [00:55:07] | jya: | (i only tested for mac (obviously) and linux) |
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| [00:55:41] | jya: | it would be nice to have something that if you add a library, it automatically adds all its dependencies |
| [00:55:54] | jya: | so we don't have to mess around with extra libs all the time |
| [01:03:58] | jya: | stuarta: compiling all the external dependencies (mysql, Qt, etc...) + mythtv + mythplugins from scratch (just kept the tar.gz sources); 19m0.771s |
| [01:04:12] | jya: | compare to your 128minutes yesterday .. |
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| [01:58:56] | Beirdo: | now that you feel adequately dirty for adding lots of libs :) |
| [02:25:56] | gigem: | sphery: i've finally (and reluctantly) come to the conclusion that we should add some user-editable ordering for inputs for cases when all else is equal. exactly how to do that is tbd. btw, as far as i'm concerned, it's only the input name/order that is important. the actual card an input is attached to is mostly irrelevant these days. iirc, there's even been some (very) light discussion in the past on collapsing the capturecard and cardinput |
| [02:25:58] | gigem: | tables together. |
| [02:26:29] | gigem: | going back to the RecStatusChar on high numbered card issue for a moment. of those who had an opinion in favor of showing it, it sounded like the preference was to go to two characters. if that's correct, i'll try to take care of it in the next few days. also, i think i'll just go with the "#" work-around for fixes/0.24 so as to avoid a binary api change. |
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| [02:34:14] | sphery: | gigem: yeah, on the ordering, I like the approach we talked about on the list--keeping the same approach we use now, with card IDs, but adding a UI to let users "move up" and "move down"--one for "Recording preference" (modifies cardinputid) and one for "Live TV preference" (modifies cardid, but the option to order is only given when "Avoid conflicts..." is selected). |
| [02:34:31] | sphery: | er, with card and input ids |
| [02:37:56] | gigem: | yeah, that's the likely approach, but i haven't thought about it much since it was first brought up. |
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| [02:39:20] | yates: | will mythtv play bluray discs? (assuming of course you have a bluray player) |
| [02:44:22] | iamlindoro: | yates, wrong channel, see topic |
| [02:46:24] | yates: | playing a video disk on a mythtv box is off-topic? |
| [02:46:29] | yates: | rather, how to... |
| [02:46:35] | iamlindoro: | it is in the development channel |
| [02:46:47] | iamlindoro: | (see topic for the channel where we can answer your question about mythtv use) |
| [02:46:48] | yates: | oh oh oh. |
| [02:46:49] | yates: | i see. |
| [02:46:51] | yates: | sorry |
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| [08:33:00] | stuarta: | looks like i need to add the firewire framework to the mac |
| [08:33:33] | Beirdo: | seems taht way |
| [08:34:56] | stuarta: | no actual use for them, just better build coverage |
| [08:36:00] | Beirdo: | and I'm off fixing -v help for filldb |
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| [08:36:28] | stuarta: | ah the things we do |
| [08:36:30] | Beirdo: | and while I'm at it, reimplemented the code part to something more usable longterm |
| [08:36:51] | Beirdo: | it should allow for 64bit flags now unless it's lying to me |
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| [08:37:17] | Beirdo: | and crap, still missing SOMETHING on the mysql shutdown |
| [08:37:26] | Beirdo: | persistant annoying thing |
| [08:37:38] | Beirdo: | a commflag --rebuild still spews it |
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| [08:37:55] | Beirdo: | Error in my_thread_global_end(): 1 threads didn't exit |
| [08:38:00] | Beirdo: | boooo |
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| [08:38:51] | Beirdo: | I guess I gotta tinker some more with some thread that opened a connection and wasn't the thread closing it |
| [08:39:31] | Beirdo: | 2011-06–23 01:35:28.066273 I [2324/2341] ProgramInfoUpdater mythdbcon.cpp:66 (MSqlDatabase) – Database connection created: DBManager1 |
| [08:39:34] | Beirdo: | blast |
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| [09:31:55] | Beirdo: | there |
| [09:32:12] | Beirdo: | that had been bugging me for a while |
| [09:37:01] | MythBuild: | build #1468 of master-linux-64bit is complete: Failure [failed compile core] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . /builds/1468 blamelist: Gavin Hurlbut <ghurlbut@mythtv.org > |
| [09:37:32] | Beirdo: | What? |
| [09:37:35] | MythBuild: | build #254 of master-freebsd-64bit is complete: Failure [failed compile core] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . t/builds/254 blamelist: Gavin Hurlbut <ghurlbut@mythtv.org > |
| [09:38:05] | Beirdo: | but it built locally |
| [09:38:11] | Beirdo: | crap blah, let me fix that |
| [09:39:14] | Beirdo: | bet I forgot to do a make clean and somehow it got missed |
| [09:39:29] | MythBuild: | build #1226 of master-linux-32bit is complete: Failure [failed compile core] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . /builds/1226 blamelist: Gavin Hurlbut <ghurlbut@mythtv.org > |
| [09:39:46] | Beirdo: | hush, MythBuild! |
| [09:41:15] | MythBuild: | build #54 of master-debian-stable-64bit is complete: Failure [failed compile core] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . it/builds/54 blamelist: Gavin Hurlbut <ghurlbut@mythtv.org > |
| [09:41:17] | ** stuartm stares at Beirdo ** | |
| [09:41:28] | Beirdo: | it will be fixed in a moment |
| [09:41:33] | stuartm: | :p |
| [09:41:40] | Beirdo: | I'm just making damn sure that it didn't miss any others |
| [09:41:41] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [09:41:49] | ** stuarta suggests a feature enhancement to the bot's failure alerting ** | |
| [09:41:58] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [09:42:18] | stuarta: | if one arch fails on a particular gitrev, then don't announce it for any further failures on that rev |
| [09:42:33] | Beirdo: | that's quite a large feature |
| [09:42:41] | stuarta: | :) |
| [09:42:48] | Beirdo: | it's not designed for that, the builds are meant to be independent |
| [09:42:55] | stuarta: | if it wasn't large it would be a bugfix |
| [09:43:11] | stuarta: | ah well |
| [09:44:12] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [09:44:21] | Beirdo: | my python wouldn't be strong enough to do it |
| [09:44:31] | Beirdo: | OK, fix committed |
| [09:44:56] | Beirdo: | people became lazy with their includes |
| [09:45:06] | stuarta: | python isn't my favourite language in the world |
| [09:45:21] | Beirdo: | no reason we should depend on mythverbose.h to pull in QTextStream |
| [09:45:32] | Beirdo: | and QDateTime |
| [09:45:35] | stuarta: | gak! |
| [09:45:38] | Beirdo: | that's silliness |
| [09:45:46] | stuarta: | plain wrong |
| [09:45:55] | Beirdo: | so I removed them from there (not needed anymore) |
| [09:46:06] | Beirdo: | and it promptly made me put em in the cpp files... |
| [09:46:14] | MythBuild: | build #312 of master-linux-ppc is complete: Failure [failed compile core] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . c/builds/312 blamelist: Gavin Hurlbut <ghurlbut@mythtv.org > |
| [09:46:19] | Beirdo: | and that failure was one that was missed |
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| [09:46:30] | Beirdo: | there's the powerbook... finally :) |
| [09:46:57] | stuarta: | i'm glad my debian build finally decided to be faster than the powerbook |
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| [09:47:07] | Beirdo: | :) ccache is a lovely thing |
| [09:47:10] | stuarta: | max_builds=1 was the key |
| [09:47:30] | Beirdo: | ah, yes, that can really help |
| [09:47:40] | stuarta: | nah, if it tried to build more than 1 build at a time, it would eventually hit the timeout compiling one of the files and the build would fail |
| [09:47:50] | Beirdo: | I don't have that on my 64 bit one... but it's an i7, so.. |
| [09:48:04] | stuarta: | yeah, that machine only has 1Gb ram |
| [09:48:11] | Beirdo: | but for sure, on the powerbook and the 32bit slave |
| [09:49:56] | Beirdo: | I had a fun day today... got to delete about 20M tiny CDR files off one of our staging servers |
| [09:50:15] | stuarta: | that would have taken a while |
| [09:50:16] | Beirdo: | that I had created with a load tester, and forgot to make the test script clean out. |
| [09:50:21] | Beirdo: | yeah, about 4h |
| [09:50:22] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [09:50:30] | stuarta: | poor filesystem |
| [09:50:46] | Beirdo: | and now I have to run the dang test suite again as I'm sure that was affecting results too |
| [09:50:55] | stuarta: | hahahaha |
| [09:50:59] | Beirdo: | it took around 24h to run last time |
| [09:51:10] | Beirdo: | stupid SIP |
| [09:51:17] | stuarta: | i'd also remove and recreate the destination dir |
| [09:51:23] | Beirdo: | oh, I did |
| [09:51:27] | stuarta: | :) |
| [09:51:40] | Beirdo: | they put in a 1-level hash by the second it was created |
| [09:51:47] | stuarta: | pop quiz for the watching audience. why would you recreate it? |
| [09:51:57] | Beirdo: | so I had 60 dirs of 250–350k files each |
| [09:52:02] | stuarta: | ffs |
| [09:52:07] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [09:52:15] | Beirdo: | what a frigging mess |
| [09:52:37] | Beirdo: | answer: the directory structure alone was about 20MB each instead of around 4kB :) |
| [09:52:56] | Beirdo: | find is my friend |
| [09:53:21] | Beirdo: | but still, it was at 100% utilization on that disk for 4h cleaning the crap up |
| [09:53:42] | Beirdo: | and wiffle-bat was applied to the head of the dev who created the test scripts for me |
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| [10:05:47] | Beirdo: | oooh, Fire and Ice book 5 available July 12, apparently |
| [10:06:01] | MythBuild: | build #1469 of master-linux-64bit is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . /builds/1469 |
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| [10:06:11] | Beirdo: | err Song of Ice and Fire... I knew what I meant |
| [10:10:55] | Beirdo: | anyways, enough for me. Bed :) Enjoy your OSX fun :) |
| [10:11:22] | MythBuild: | build #255 of master-freebsd-64bit is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . t/builds/255 |
| [10:22:23] | stuarta: | Beirdo: who writes that series? |
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| [16:00:03] | stuartm: | danielk22: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9862 has generated a lot of debate because no-one knows which hardware was having problems, can you remember? |
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| [16:11:28] | danielk22: | stuartm: the pcHDTV, FusionHDTV, and Air2PC.. dunno about any more modern cards. it's silly though why do you need video to adjust your antenna? My real preference would be for a web service so you can pull up the info on your cell phone while you are up on the roof instead of balancing a laptop up there. |
| [16:11:50] | danielk22: | iirc it was i2c traffic causing the problem. |
| [16:14:17] | stuartm: | danielk22: ok, devinheitmueller was wondering specifically since it pointed to bugs in the drivers which he'd want to fix |
| [16:14:30] | devinheitmueller: | danielk22: this can be one of two problems: if you are capturing video on the same thread that is polling for the stats, the tens of milliseconds required to query for the stats could cause OVERFLOW conditions on reading the dvr0 device node. Or it's because the driver is borked and the i2c gate to the tuner is always open. |
| [16:14:46] | devinheitmueller: | The first problem is entirely an application issue. The second problem would be a driver bug. |
| [16:15:30] | stuartm: | as far as requiring video, well I'm not really sure of the reasons why you'd need it, I did all my dish alignment with a sat finder which just beeps louder as the signal gets stronger :) |
| [16:15:55] | devinheitmueller: | danielk22: and many terrestrial viewers are simply trying to adjust their rabbit ears, not on their roof adjusting the antenna (or they have a rotor control they can use while watching the TV downstairs) |
| [16:16:42] | devinheitmueller: | stuartm: true it's less relevant for satellite (particularly if you have a hummingbird), but for terrestrial you can have multiple sources requiring you to reorient the antenna. |
| [16:18:39] | stuartm: | though since the signal strength, SNR and error ratec reported from various drivers varies wildly I'm not entirely sure you can tune using that alone, it's not enough to say that the number look good enough unless you can also say that you're receiving an error-free picture |
| [16:19:37] | devinheitmueller: | It's true that the units vary between devices, but most people don't care about the units compared to some other tuner. They care about being able to compare the units for a given tuner as they move the antenna (e.g. turn antenna this way and the SNR goes up). |
| [16:19:45] | stuartm: | in fact, the value of the raw figures is questionable given the lack of any standard and the fact that some drivers/hardware don't report all of that information |
| [16:20:13] | devinheitmueller: | stuartm: this is something that we can fix the USA if you are willing to put a small hack into the MythTV sources. |
| [16:20:36] | devinheitmueller: | I can tell you what the units are for the most popular 4 or five demods are, which would cover 95% of all currently deployed tuners. |
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| [16:21:54] | stuartm: | devinheitmueller: right, my point would be that without knowing where on the scale those values lie, you can't tell whether it's a marginal signal even when it's reading the highest values – suggesting for example that the aerial needs to be elevated to clear a LOS obstacle etc |
| [16:23:38] | devinheitmueller: | stuartm: agreed, without knowing the units it is indeed less useful. |
| [16:23:58] | devinheitmueller: | ... unless you stick a hack into MythTV to provide the units for the four or five most common demods. :-) |
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| [16:26:39] | danielk22: | devinheitmueller: I think that is confusing and useful info for 99.99% of users. How are they to know that -1 dB S/N is a good signal for one modulation, fec, and chip when +18 dB S/N is required for some other modulation, fec & chip? |
| [16:37:54] | devinheitmueller: | danielk22: for ATSC/ClearQAM, this is all pretty straightforward since they are almost all on the same scale. |
| [16:38:53] | devinheitmueller: | for ATSC/ClearQAM, we can just show a bar where 30dB is great (40 for QAM). Then we just need to reconcile that there are two units of measure across all the atsc/clearqam demods (0.1 dB and 1/256 dB) |
| [16:39:26] | devinheitmueller: | But yeah, there is much less consistency for non-US devices such as DVB-T/S/C/S2. |
| [16:40:45] | devinheitmueller: | This is a recurring topic on the linux-media mailing list, which unfortunately has suffered from "design by committee" |
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| [18:30:12] | danielk22: | devinheitmueller: Heh, a committee would have decided on some non-ideal units and range. The reality is that each piece of hardware has it's own units and range. :> |
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| [18:34:05] | devinheitmueller: | hi danielk22 |
| [18:34:13] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, but I think we can normalize some of that. |
| [18:34:59] | devinheitmueller: | The other problem here is we have a bit of "perfect is the enemy of good" in that some people are pushing for an interface that is so complicated that it is barely usable for the simple stuff. |
| [18:35:32] | devinheitmueller: | ... and of course there has been little talk of the edge cases, such as how you cannot actually get a valid SNR if you don't have a tuning lock. |
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| [22:29:14] | paul-h: | iamlindoro: looks like the mythvideo images have been moved into the wrong directory, they are in an images directory on there own I think they need to be moved up to themes/default otherwise it's going to break any theme using the default images. |
| [22:32:46] | paul-h: | same for the default-wide images |
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| [22:39:43] | danielk22: | Beirdo: is there some reason we don't link to the irc log in the topic message? (Ran out of space?) |
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| [22:41:47] | Beirdo: | not that I know of. |
| [22:42:25] | Beirdo: | I think it would be a good plan, actually :) |
| [22:46:01] | stuartm: | a lot of IRC clients truncate the message and so we try to keep it short/concise with the important info at the beginning |
| [22:47:04] | Beirdo: | for sure, the start of the topic is good as is. Can put it at the end though |
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