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| [00:47:03] | bohan_h: | I am in the early planning stages od developing a lightweight frontend, to fit in 512MB ram preferably, 1GB max |
| [00:47:36] | bohan_h: | do you guys think it would be better to work on xbmc or mythfrontend as the base? |
| [00:48:13] | wagner_: | mythfrontend will operate just fine on 512MB with a lightweight theme |
| [00:48:15] | bohan_h: | xbmc currently already has a experimental pvr frontend branch |
| [00:52:53] | bohan_h: | does anyone know anything about hauppauge's apparent mythfrontend port to mvp-hd? |
| [00:53:25] | wagner_: | youll need to get hold of devinheitmueller for that one |
| [01:01:42] | wagner_: | its not so much a port of mythfrontend, as a completely independent program |
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| [01:22:24] | iamlindoro: | wagner_, That's not how I understood it |
| [01:22:47] | wagner_: | theyre actually porting it? not taking the path they did with the original mediamvp? |
| [01:23:25] | iamlindoro: | I don't think it's an ongoing project |
| [01:23:31] | iamlindoro: | and no, not the path of the original |
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| [01:27:56] | iamlindoro: | I think it was more of a novelty |
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| [01:34:26] | danielk22: | iamlindoro: They looked at porting the whole thing, then I think they did a PoC with a limited frontend. |
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| [08:20:15] | jya: | since the OSX gitbot things has been merged; I can't compile any longers.. Most of the dependencies do not compile... quite annoying |
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| [09:20:53] | stuarta: | what doesn't compile? |
| [09:21:01] | stuarta: | it all compiled for me |
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| [09:21:55] | stuarta: | the only deps that changed are mysql and qt |
| [09:22:12] | stuarta: | the rest is just glue around the outsides that doesn't change the overall behaviour |
| [09:22:43] | jya: | stuarta: Qt doesn't compile now (had to change the URL too, it gives me a 404 error) |
| [09:23:25] | jya: | the error seems to be an issue between Qt and mysql... Qsql doesn't compile, missing the mysql header |
| [09:23:39] | jya: | maybe an issue with the order of the dependencies |
| [09:23:56] | jya: | mysql should be compiled betore Qt |
| [09:24:04] | jya: | that's my guess, haven't looked at it |
| [09:24:13] | stuarta: | it should be. |
| [09:25:00] | stuarta: | i'll run a rebuild to check |
| [09:25:07] | stuarta: | be several thousand hours |
| [09:27:29] | jya: | :) |
| [09:27:43] | jya: | got an iMac i7, 3.4GHz ; it flies here :) |
| [09:27:49] | stuarta: | mini mac |
| [09:27:54] | stuarta: | 3–4hrs for qt |
| [09:28:44] | jya: | hum.. If I read osx-packager properly, mysql is built before Qt |
| [09:29:08] | stuarta: | yes, it walks the list in the order it's defined and builds them in that order |
| [09:29:12] | stuarta: | that didn't change in the commit |
| [09:29:35] | stuarta: | the main thing is it got wrapped up in "build profiles" which defaults to doing the same thing as it did before |
| [09:29:37] | jya: | maybe it's something |
| [09:29:48] | jya: | going to delete all the directories in .osx-packager/src |
| [09:29:56] | stuarta: | the bonux is you can now use it to build 0.24-fixes :) |
| [09:30:11] | jya: | I was using to build 0.24 before |
| [09:30:14] | jya: | this always worked |
| [09:30:24] | jya: | using -gitrev |
| [09:30:31] | jya: | like -gitrev fixes/0.24 |
| [09:30:37] | stuarta: | yes, but master was using the same deps as fixes |
| [09:30:41] | stuarta: | now they can be different |
| [09:30:43] | stuarta: | and are |
| [09:31:03] | stuarta: | no i didn't do that bit |
| [09:32:36] | jya: | I guess the problem I'm seeing then, is that I had early dependencies installed, and they aren't working well with the new scripts.. so have to clean everything completely |
| [09:33:37] | stuarta: | if i was you i'd keep the tarballs |
| [09:33:40] | jya: | it takes 2'4" on this machine to build mythtv from scratch with no ccache |
| [09:33:53] | jya: | stuarta: yes, I keep the tarball, just delete all the directories in src |
| [09:40:57] | stuarta: | have nokia removed Qt-4.6 ? |
| [09:43:54] | jya: | from the doc or from the download? |
| [09:44:00] | stuarta: | the download |
| [09:44:01] | jya: | I downloaded 4.6.3 just before |
| [09:44:07] | jya: | that is yesterday |
| [09:44:09] | stuarta: | well that's alright |
| [09:44:16] | jya: | mysql failed however |
| [09:44:39] | stuarta: | wonder if the released another new version in 5.1 series |
| [09:44:42] | stuarta: | they |
| [09:44:43] | jya: | I changed the one in there for: http://downloads.mysql.com/archives/mysql-5.1 . . . .1.56.tar.gz |
| [09:45:11] | stuarta: | that's not an automatically redirecting link tho is it? |
| [09:45:26] | jya: | I'm guessing URLs from mysql.com are less likely to error out, though they are slow |
| [09:45:36] | jya: | not sure, but curl has no issue handling it |
| [09:45:46] | jya: | e.g. osx-packager download it fine |
| [09:52:17] | jya: | stuarta: recompiled the whole lot from 0, including myth and the third party dependencies: |
| [09:52:20] | jya: | real 18m41.670s |
| [09:52:26] | jya: | bit your 4 hours :) |
| [09:52:29] | jya: | beat that is |
| [09:53:02] | stuarta: | mine is building, even with ccache it won't even come near that |
| [09:53:13] | jya: | hum... there's an error at final link: ld: file not found: /Volumes/DATA/Users/jyavenard/Work/mythtv/.osx-packager/build/lib/mysql/libmysql client.15.dylib for architecture i386 |
| [09:54:00] | jya: | that's when linking libmyth |
| [09:54:13] | stuarta: | ah he.net have removed the older tarballs |
| [09:54:18] | stuarta: | 5.1.56 is there |
| [09:54:28] | jya: | hum.. I didn't do a make clean on mythtv... |
| [09:55:19] | stuarta: | time to do a full no ccache build |
| [09:55:55] | jya: | ok, ./osx-packager -clean did the trick |
| [09:56:06] | jya: | now it's ld: file not found: libmythservicecontracts-0.24.0.dylib for architecture i386 |
| [09:56:06] | jya: | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| [09:56:19] | jya: | but I had that earlier ... before I tried the new osx-packager |
| [09:56:47] | stuarta: | yeah, i think there's a few outstanding issues with the build |
| [09:56:57] | stuarta: | so i'm trying to get the buildbot stuff finished off |
| [09:57:48] | jya: | well, let me know when you're finished building... |
| [09:58:04] | jya: | if you want something a tad faster to try on, I can give you shell access to mine.. |
| [09:58:04] | stuarta: | probably about breakfast time for you |
| [09:58:23] | jya: | in 12 hours ? :) |
| [09:58:28] | stuarta: | meh, it can burn cpu time while i'm at the office |
| [09:58:51] | jya: | I think markk mentioned what he did to build. |
| [09:59:02] | jya: | something about missing a link to libavutil |
| [09:59:16] | stuarta: | essentially i just need to separate out the dependency build and the mythtv build |
| [09:59:22] | stuarta: | shouldn't take too long to code |
| [09:59:25] | jya: | it builds with -j9 ; it's a bit hard to pinpoint where it's actually failing before |
| [09:59:36] | stuarta: | it'll take longer to build it |
| [09:59:47] | stuarta: | build with -j9 till it fails |
| [10:00:11] | stuarta: | then go into the actual build dir and just do a normal make |
| [10:00:27] | jya: | BTW, why switch the packaging repo to the branch is currently building? |
| [10:00:49] | jya: | a tad useless. like I build fixes/0.24, it switched packaging to fixes/0.24 too, which checks for svn |
| [10:01:30] | stuarta: | sorry that's not making sense for me |
| [10:01:34] | jya: | I guess it's just a matter of adding libmythservicecontracts to the libmyth dependencies |
| [10:01:55] | jya: | when I do: osx-packager.pl -gitrev fixes/0.24 |
| [10:02:08] | jya: | it switch the main git repo to fixes/0.24 |
| [10:02:22] | jya: | then does the same for the "packaging" directory |
| [10:02:35] | jya: | while making no use at all for the new packaging directory |
| [10:02:52] | stuarta: | it's only used in the bundling stage iirc |
| [10:02:54] | jya: | however, should the build fail, then you can't build any longer |
| [10:03:04] | stuarta: | dunno why it does that |
| [10:03:08] | stuarta: | it's historical |
| [10:03:14] | jya: | you have to do cd packaging ; git checkout master and restart |
| [10:03:31] | jya: | yeah, it serves no purpose.. |
| [10:03:57] | jya: | maybe it was fine before, but the current osx-packager in fixes/0.24 is based on the old svn script |
| [10:04:38] | stuarta: | the retro building part probably hasn't seen much love |
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| [10:07:40] | jya: | what's libmythservicecontracts for ? |
| [10:09:11] | stuarta: | i'm 2 months behind on the mailing lists |
| [10:09:24] | stuarta: | but i believe it's got to do with the web based setup |
| [10:12:03] | jya: | must have missed it |
| [10:32:11] | jya: | an issue in the osx-packager I believe: ld: file not found: @executable_path/../ |
| [10:44:53] | stuarta: | ah, it might not have built it |
| [10:45:05] | stuarta: | there's a very specific list of things it builds |
| [10:45:11] | stuarta: | bit stupid |
| [10:46:40] | jya: | ok... no it's something else |
| [10:46:47] | jya: | damn, lots of change to get it to build |
| [10:46:49] | jya: | getting there... |
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| [10:51:29] | jya: | http://pastebin.com/zCHQiHJb |
| [10:51:53] | jya: | only mytharchive so far doesn't compile, also failing with the AVCVideo framework |
| [10:52:50] | jya: | I'm pretty sure that there's a more elegant way to do that... ; I've only copied some of the dependency of libmythtv... seems that it's the new mythprotoserver that is broken, and when included with other libs, it fails.. |
| [10:53:09] | jya: | must be a place to patch once and for all, instead of doing each library individually |
| [10:53:59] | jya: | sorry, I meant mythservicecontracts |
| [10:57:36] | stuarta: | yeah it's bloody messy |
| [11:01:18] | jya: | surely, it would be the same issue on linux if someone was to build completely from scratch |
| [11:01:39] | stuarta: | that's what the buildbots do |
| [11:01:45] | stuarta: | build it from scratch each time |
| [11:02:07] | stuarta: | osx is a bit more finiticky |
| [11:02:22] | stuarta: | hence trying to get the buildbot happening |
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| [11:26:19] | stuarta: | ooo, it's build mythtv finally |
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| [11:47:34] | jya: | stuarta: it has? cool |
| [11:48:53] | Shinjinkun: | Hello people! |
| [11:51:05] | stuartm: | is that PPC build bot really linux, or is it actually osx? |
| [11:51:44] | stuarta: | it's ubuntu iirc |
| [11:51:57] | stuarta: | click on the links on the buildbot page and you can drill down to a description |
| [11:52:25] | stuarta: | http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/buildslaves/beirdo-linux-ppc |
| [11:52:42] | Shinjinkun: | Is anyone responsible for the development here? I wish to PM about some develop :P |
| [11:52:54] | stuarta: | no pm's, talk in channel |
| [11:53:35] | stuarta: | the majority of active devs are all in here |
| [11:53:46] | stuarta: | even if they are currently asleep |
| [11:53:53] | Shinjinkun: | ahh, ok, sorry |
| [11:54:37] | Shinjinkun: | I'm only asking for some advice |
| [11:55:35] | jya: | could very well be a powerbook running linux ; that's how I have mine set (setup when I wanted to debug big-endian issues) |
| [11:55:48] | stuarta: | it is a powerbook. see link |
| [11:56:06] | jya: | yes, I was answering your earlier question.. |
| [11:56:24] | stuarta: | the other stuart's :) |
| [11:56:25] | jya: | now if you answer yourself, it would suppose that I read everything before answering, which I never do :P |
| [11:56:31] | jya: | ahhh |
| [11:56:35] | jya: | even worse.. |
| [11:56:37] | stuarta: | :) |
| [11:56:38] | jya: | too many Stuart |
| [11:57:01] | stuarta: | i'm sure they had a war in Scotland many years ago about that |
| [11:57:13] | Shinjinkun: | The truth is I'm finishing my IT degree, and for the final work I have to make some development, related to a plugin in MythTV |
| [11:59:12] | Shinjinkun: | I have very little time left, and don't know what can I develop, I have time until July 15th at much... |
| [11:59:26] | stuarta: | left that a bit late then |
| [11:59:37] | Shinjinkun: | yes, you are right |
| [12:00:05] | jya: | just made it more challenging ... |
| [12:00:25] | Shinjinkun: | Can you recommend me some functionality, or plugin to adapt or modify, to make it in time? |
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| [12:03:47] | Shinjinkun: | I thougnt that some forums existed, but it's not. That's why I'm here, and supose you are around usually |
| [12:05:42] | jya: | Shinjinkun: live streaming to an iPhone/iPad |
| [12:06:07] | jya: | would make many people happy (and me) |
| [12:08:01] | stuarta: | \o/ |
| [12:08:05] | stuarta: | 128m41.658s |
| [12:08:14] | Shinjinkun: | hahahah, it's a pity I have none of them :( |
| [12:08:30] | Shinjinkun: | so I couldn't test it anyway |
| [12:08:35] | jya: | stuarta: can you post the mod you made to compile, or push them? |
| [12:08:48] | stuarta: | sure |
| [12:08:57] | stuarta: | only thing was changing mysql to 5.1.56 |
| [12:09:20] | stuartm: | Shinjinkun: we have mailing lists, but no bulletin board type forum |
| [12:10:12] | stuarta: | pushed |
| [12:10:28] | jya: | stuarta: how could you have built master then? |
| [12:10:46] | stuarta: | i did. worked just fine |
| [12:11:01] | stuarta: | what OSX are you on? this is snow leopard |
| [12:11:02] | jya: | surely, the problem I'm seeing have nothing to do with my local setup... |
| [12:11:05] | jya: | 10.6.7 |
| [12:11:22] | Shinjinkun: | Oh, I see |
| [12:12:57] | Shinjinkun: | Do you have some recommendation then? I'm quite worried about it T_T |
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| [12:55:55] | stuartm: | Beirdo: the fix I prefer for the playback glitch/new program issue is complicated and I've just had another, possibly better idea that might fill the gap until the first idea is written |
| [12:56:46] | stuartm: | we could postpone rebuilding the list until the user has left playback, |
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| [13:20:19] | stuartm: | Beirdo: http://pastebin.com/iyb8n8w1 |
| [13:21:25] | stuartm: | can't test it atm and it might requires some tweaking, since I can't reproduce the playback issues I'd appreciate feedback from someone who can |
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| [13:38:56] | danielk22: | stuartm: are you adding the incremental updates of the list functionality as the bigger fix? |
| [13:40:07] | stuartm: | danielk22: that's what I'm aiming for, I just haven't got it all figured out yet |
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| [13:40:59] | danielk22: | stuartm: Make sure we do a full update when the event socket has gone away for some time.. we sometimes miss events.. |
| [13:41:30] | stuartm: | ok, made a note of that :) |
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| [14:02:43] | danielk22: | stuartm: i did take a wee look at it when i was looking at the performance dogs in the pbb, but it looked pretty complicated to do right and for me those updates weren't causing problems. |
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| [14:06:06] | stuartm: | danielk22: yeah, it's not straightforward, you've got the filters, grouping and sorting to deal with without duplicating that code in PBB and creating something that's even harder to maintain |
| [14:08:58] | stuartm: | I won't know if it's possible or not until I've had time to think about it |
| [14:25:30] | paul-h: | who was doing the command line parameter stuff? |
| [14:25:52] | paul-h: | Looks like mythfilldatabase -v help isn't working correctly |
| [14:29:22] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo and wagner_ |
| [14:31:15] | wagner_: | ? |
| [14:31:26] | wagner_: | oh |
| [14:31:41] | wagner_: | paul-h: whats missing? |
| [14:32:17] | wagner_: | huh... |
| [14:32:22] | wagner_: | that was working before |
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| [14:35:13] | paul-h: | It used to show a list of valid verbose flags and stop now it just carries on regardless |
| [14:35:32] | wagnerrp: | yeah, looking into it |
| [14:35:46] | paul-h: | seems to work elsewhere though |
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| [14:46:25] | wagnerrp: | paul-h: the code to process that value seems to be completely omitted |
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| [15:10:14] | paul-h: | Am I doing something wrong or are the commit hooks just not working? |
| [15:10:42] | danielk22: | paul-h: they are slow.. give it 30 mins.. |
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| [15:11:39] | iamlindoro: | paul-h: I noticed that I didn't get an e-mail from trac on one of your "fixes #xxx", but that the ticket had been closed when I went to look |
| [15:12:24] | paul-h: | I had to update the ticket and close it myself :( |
| [15:12:58] | iamlindoro: | #7962 is the one I looked at-- no e-mail, but in trac it looks like it was teh commit hook that closed it |
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| [15:15:33] | paul-h: | yeah that one worked and I got the email from trac as well |
| [15:16:29] | iamlindoro: | Heh, weird, I don't seem to have |
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| [15:27:31] | jya: | stuarta: deleted .osx-packager folder, ran it from 0 again... it fails exactly like it did earlier when linking libmyth: ld: file not found: libmythservicecontracts-0.24.0.dylib for architecture i386 |
| [15:39:09] | stuarta: | hrm. |
| [15:41:26] | paul-h: | jya: anybody reported any problems with the audio for BBC HD from dvb-t2? |
| [15:42:01] | jya: | paul-h: yes... it's a ffmpeg issue, it doesn't detect change of stream mid-way |
| [15:42:47] | paul-h: | so we have to wait for ffmpeg to fix it? |
| [15:45:17] | jya: | there's a bug reported according to the mythtv-user list |
| [15:45:21] | danielk22: | paul-h: no, ffmpeg doesn't handle stream changes at all, that is all our code in mpegts.{c,h} |
| [15:45:25] | jya: | haven't followed it |
| [15:45:46] | danielk22: | maybe it got borked on an ffmpeg sync? |
| [15:45:48] | jya: | the issue is specifically when it changes from stereo to 5.1 between ads |
| [15:46:06] | jya: | mplayer has the same issue |
| [15:47:21] | danielk22: | ah, that is not handled by mpegts.{c,h} |
| [15:55:35] | jya: | danielk22: found it... AFD Error: Unknown audio decoding error |
| [15:55:35] | jya: | 2011-05–14 19:46:22.067 [aac_latm @ 0x34e3af7ec0]channel element 0.0 is |
| [15:55:36] | jya: | not allocated |
| [15:56:24] | jya: | https://ffmpeg.org/trac/ffmpeg/ticket/200 |
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| [15:58:16] | jya: | in the mean time, if anyone can tell me why I can't compile master on the mac.. I had to apply this patch to compile mythtv: |
| [15:58:17] | jya: | http://pastebin.com/zCHQiHJb |
| [15:58:45] | jya: | but that's ugly as... surely there's a cleaner way to add libmythservicecontracts to all libs at once |
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| [17:41:52] | Beirdo: | blargh. |
| [17:42:08] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: you want me to look at the -v help, or are you on it? |
| [17:42:28] | wagnerrp: | its a simple fix, the verbose string simply isnt being processed |
| [17:42:40] | wagnerrp: | like those couple of lines were omitted during the rewrite |
| [17:43:02] | Beirdo: | as for the commit hooks, github seems to miss sending them to us a bit more often than we like. Not much we can do until such a time as we have the main git repo on our own servers. |
| [17:43:07] | Beirdo: | ahh |
| [17:43:27] | Beirdo: | well, let me know if you want me to go fix it... |
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| [17:43:45] | wagnerrp: | ill get around to it shortly |
| [17:44:28] | Beirdo: | OK |
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| [20:01:04] | gigem_: | does "#" universally mean "number"? more specifically, if i change toQChar in programtypes.cpp to return "#" for rsWillRecords on high numbered cards, does it need to be translatable? |
| [20:01:26] | xris: | japanese/arabic? |
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| [20:01:47] | xris: | etc? |
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| [20:12:47] | gigem_: | xris: i don't get your point. |
| [20:13:10] | xris: | gigem_: just suggesting that one of the alternate-character-set languages might have its own representation |
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| [20:13:23] | xris: | but I don't sreak/read any of those, so have no idea. |
| [20:13:33] | iamlindoro: | jpabq: Did you see the message on -users and theming that the FE segfaults without the filters dialog defined in a theme? |
| [20:13:33] | gigem_: | ok |
| [20:15:30] | abqjp: | iamlindoro: I had not. I did test that scenario and it worked at one point. I guess it got broken later. I will try it when I get home. |
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| [20:18:43] | iamlindoro: | abqjp: No big deal, if I get home early enough I will take a look, probably just a missing if somewhere |
| [20:21:37] | stuartm: | I'm not altogether sure that those single char abbreviations are translatable in all languages anyway, which is why I've avoided using them as much as possible in Terra |
| [20:22:21] | stuartm: | if I ever re-write the program guide it will use statetypes so that icons or other representations can be used instead (or not at all) |
| [20:23:38] | paul-h: | It already uses icon for those I think |
| [20:28:50] | stuartm: | hmm, you are right, I just assumed otherwise |
| [20:29:51] | sphery: | I think gigem_ is asking about in the upcoming/previous recordings screens--where your magic sounds like it could handle the issue :) |
| [20:32:18] | stuartm: | in those screens we already provide several different strings which can be used instead of the single char, I may or may not have already added a statetype too, easy enough to do if it hasn't already been done |
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| [20:44:27] | paul-h: | stuartm: do you see any problems with the audio on BBC HD using dvb-s2? |
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| [20:48:08] | iamlindoro: | paul-h: I think there was a thread about that exact issue on the users list just after the switch, and the issue was present in current ffplay as well, leading people to conclude that it was a libav* problem |
| [20:48:08] | iamlindoro: | Of course, if I was any sort of sphery at all I would have a thread reference ;) |
| [20:49:36] | paul-h: | yeah, I know there is a problem just wanted to know if it's just on dvb-t2 or dvb-t2 as well |
| [20:50:29] | paul-h: | or dvb-s2 as well |
| [20:53:09] | iamlindoro: | Ah, you're right, that thread was about T2... I hadn't heard anything about S2, sorry not to know more |
| [20:53:38] | paul-h: | np |
| [20:54:45] | gigem_: | sphery is half right — it's just the upcoming recordings screen. for programs that are/will record we try to display the card number it is/will be on instead of a status character. for cards with number >9, all but the first digit gets truncated and can lead to user confusion as happened today. |
| [20:54:51] | gigem_: | someone (looks like possibly danielk22) added a work-around for the rsRecording case to return "R", but neglected the rsWillRecord case. i don't think the "R" work-around is right for the rsWillRecord case, so i intend use a different character to mean "some card >9". i might change the rsRecording case to do the same. note this is just another work-around unless/until we want the make the "RecStatusChar" multi-character. themers are still free |
| [20:54:53] | gigem_: | to use or not use as they see fit. i'm old fashioned, though, and like to see the card number, especially when i need to do so manual tweaking. |
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| [21:28:16] | danielk22: | gigem_: I recall making some kind of hack for this at some point. I think it necessary because some function returned a QChar so it was impossible to just return "15" or whatever the recorder # was. |
| [21:29:24] | danielk22: | I think if we just go to 2 chars that would handle all reasonable recorder numbers... but then the recorder # isn't all that useful once you have a number of them.. |
| [21:32:11] | stuartm: | paul-h: no, I've not had any problems so far |
| [21:33:49] | stuartm: | nor with recordings made before they switched from DVB-S a few weeks ago |
| [21:36:08] | stuartm: | checking a few recordings they all seem to be stereo throughout, no 5.1 |
| [21:36:27] | stuartm: | which is odd |
| [21:41:02] | stuartm: | jya, paul-h: am I right in thinking that the bug should present itself even if the frontend is configured to use 2 channel audio? Or does it only happen when 5.1 is allowed? |
| [21:42:40] | paul-h: | stuartm: I had no problems before the switch to dvb-s2, unfortunately my card is dvb-s only |
| [21:43:29] | paul-h: | Wish I'd bought a dvb-s2 card now :( |
| [21:43:45] | stuartm: | ok, well the only thing they seem to have changed is that the bitrate increased a little (reportedly, I've not done a comparison myself) |
| [21:46:11] | stuartm: | paul-h: aye, I was pretty annoyed for buying two DVB-S cards (three if you count the crappy Satelco one which had interference problems on the BBC HD mux freq) |
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| [21:46:53] | stuartm: | paul-h: I bought the cheapest DVB-S2 card I could find, still over £50 though |
| [21:50:23] | paul-h: | |
| [21:51:58] | stuartm: | :/ |
| [21:52:21] | stuartm: | well, you get more HD channels at least :) |
| [21:52:35] | paul-h: | true |
| [21:54:53] | stuartm: | actually, you don't according to the Freeview website, I thought you at least got Five HD but now I remember that they failed to launch in time and forfeited their slot |
| [21:55:19] | paul-h: | Yeah, I was just checking that myself |
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| [22:00:45] | gigem_: | danielk22: i figured it was you, but with refactors and reformatting, the original atribution gets lost sometimes. i don't have a probelm with going to two characters myself, but that would be a bigger fix as it would ripple into themes. |
| [22:04:42] | stuartm: | paul-h: if you ever want a cheap DVB-S2 card, the Tevii S464 seems to work well and can be found for under £50 at dvbshop.net, it's the postage which pushes it just over £50, I bought via their amazon.co.uk shop which was a little cheaper than buying direct and bills in sterling so avoiding any bank charges for conversion |
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| [22:06:03] | stuartm: | the delivery is slow, but not too bad ultimately |
| [22:10:01] | paul-h: | stuartm: thank's for that. I'll take a look |
| [22:10:53] | stuartm: | danielk22, gigem_: I'm not sure the recorder numbers are useful at all except to devs, they don't mean a whole lot to the end user IMHO, especially not with multi-tuner cards and virtual tuners pushing the number of total tuners above single digits for many users |
| [22:13:04] | stuartm: | showing which video source was being used might be of more interest, but ultimately I'd bet most people only care to see whether something is going to record or whether it isn't |
| [22:21:52] | stuartm: | debug output, such as --printsched is different of course |
| [22:25:46] | jya: | stuartm: I don't know more about the BBC bug than I what I posted earlier, reading the mythtv and ffmpeg mailing list |
| [22:26:22] | stuartm: | jya: ok |
| [22:33:17] | jya: | ah! so I'm not the only one who can't compile master on mac ; |
| [22:33:20] | gigem_: | stuartm: i realise i'm biased, but i still have to disagree with you. not everyone will care which tuners get used, but i suspect the number that do care, at least some of the time, is significant. also, i'd hate to think how many more scheduling questions we get if the tuner information wasn't easily available. |
| [22:34:14] | Beirdo: | jya: I thought stuarta was close to having that working |
| [22:34:47] | Beirdo: | once we have his OSX buildslave in... it should be easier to maintain a working build... I would hope |
| [22:35:15] | jya: | He said it compiles fine for me... I get errors in most libs about ld: file not found: libmythservicecontracts-0.24.0.dylib for architecture i386 |
| [22:35:21] | jya: | s/me/him |
| [22:35:52] | jya: | it doesn't compile for me, and at least two people have reported the same issue in mythtv userlist |
| [22:35:55] | stuartm: | gigem_: even for those that care, the current system really isn't very useful, you can't relate a tuner number to the actual card/source without reference to the database |
| [22:36:05] | jya: | a similar patch to what I did fixed it |
| [22:36:16] | jya: | but it's damn ugly... |
| [22:36:25] | Beirdo: | well, we need to make it work consistently |
| [22:36:46] | Beirdo: | the difference in platform/versions between your systems? |
| [22:37:26] | Beirdo: | whether xcode version or qt version, etc etc... |
| [22:37:35] | jya: | he's running the same OS |
| [22:37:35] | Beirdo: | there must be a difference there somewhere |
| [22:37:49] | jya: | oh, I think that it may be due because he hasn't installed the Firewire framework |
| [22:38:02] | Beirdo: | ahh |
| [22:38:09] | stuartm: | and the single character limitation is likely to cause more confusion than not displaying anything for setups with more than 9 tuners (which is increasingly the norm, not the exception) |
| [22:38:11] | Beirdo: | that is a possibility |
| [22:38:37] | Beirdo: | stuartm: you could use base 62 :) |
| [22:38:50] | Beirdo: | ie digits + alpha both case |
| [22:39:00] | Beirdo: | now that would confuse people :) |
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| [22:40:13] | Beirdo: | and I see our first requested patch from ffmpeg |
| [22:40:19] | ** Beirdo sighs ** | |
| [22:41:22] | gigem_: | stuartm: sorry, but i call b.s. it's not *that* hard to remember which source is attached to which tuner. if it really is, it's easy reflect the source the editable channel numbers. |
| [22:41:38] | stuartm: | gigem_: how many tuners do you have? |
| [22:41:46] | gigem_: | 9 |
| [22:41:56] | gigem_: | and 3 sources |
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| [22:42:43] | gigem_: | also, it's not like they're changing all the time. |
| [22:42:53] | stuartm: | btw, my point wasn't that it's hard to remember, but that you can't even know that information without looking at the capturecard table – it's not displayed anywhere in the frontend or during setup |
| [22:43:43] | stuartm: | you can figure it out by scheduling a bunch of recordings I guess, but it's not intuitive |
| [22:44:49] | stuartm: | anyhow, I didn't mean to start an argument about it, as you've said it's left upto the themer to make those decisions |
| [22:46:27] | stuartm: | somewhere around here I've got a patch which optionally allows the source name to be displayed instead if the themer wants, unless I've already committed it which is entirely possible |
| [22:48:05] | gigem_: | [deleted my slightly more intense next repsonce] :) i didn't consider it an argument yet — just a slightly heated discussion. anyway, it was used in Terra, but i think i might have only looked in fixes/0.24. don't know if Terra in master still uses it. |
| [22:48:41] | stuartm: | fwiw, I have 12 tuners (3 real x 4 virtual) and the numbering starts at 26 since I've replaced/upgraded the cards over the years |
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| [22:51:15] | gigem_: | why don't you follow sphery's advice and always recreate all of your tuners? :) with not being able to see your double digit tuner numbers, i can see why you might not think it useful. i bet if you could see them, you eventually easily which is which. |
| [22:51:28] | ** gigem_ is heading home. will respond to anything else later. ** | |
| [22:52:47] | stuartm: | gigem_: I _have_ always recreated them, which is how I've ended up at 26+, the field in the table is an auto-increment, it never resets to zero |
| [22:57:13] | jpabq: | iamlindoro, I just tried an unmodified Arclight, and it did not crash for me. If you get a chance can you try it? |
| [22:57:52] | jpabq: | iamlindoro, also, were you able to come up with a way to theme the filters in Arclight that you are happy with? |
| [23:08:12] | sphery: | stuartm: he means use "Delete all capture cards" every time, which does a truncate table, and therefore resets autoincrement. |
| [23:10:33] | sphery: | Admittedly not the ideal approach--but the problem is that we're using MythTV internal data (capture card and input IDs) as user-facing data to identify which is which. IMHO, we really need a cardname (to parallel inputname) and then need to switch all UI code to use cardname/inputname instead of IDs. |
| [23:11:07] | sphery: | (and ensure we use names (or, at least both names and IDs) in logging) |
| [23:12:58] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, Yeah, I don't see a crash here either, just tested |
| [23:12:58] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, so I am not sure what his deal was, unless he has some other patch applied? |
| [23:12:58] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, I haven't themed the filters yet, I am still not sure how best to show them but don't let me be a stumbling block-- if something is really troublesome I'll see if I can propose an alternate approach, but I'm sure I'll live as it is ;) |
| [23:14:56] | jpabq: | iamlindoro, My best idea is still to make it optional for the theme to have EITHER a filters button OR a filters buttonlist. The button would invoke the new window. |
| [23:18:37] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, I don't want my uncertainty to be the source of code that isn't consistent with elsewhere, so I say leave it as it is, I don't have a right to hold you up over anything I haven't even tried yet |
| [23:18:43] | iamlindoro: | But thank you for the consideration |
| [23:19:56] | jpabq: | You are theme king, so it needs to work for you. |
| [23:23:31] | iamlindoro: | Nice of you to say, but I haven't turned out much of anything in a while :) I'll try it out tonight if I can |
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| [23:48:43] | jya: | is github down? can't pull any longer... |
| [23:49:28] | iamlindoro: | yes, it seems to be |
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| [23:50:06] | jya: | has the mythvideo plugin been removed from mythplugins? |
| [23:50:12] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [23:51:08] | jya: | hum... here it still trying to compile it; and obviously fail... did a git reset --hard HEAD ; make distclean |
| [23:53:36] | iamlindoro: | I am guessing the packaging script needs an update |
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