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| [00:05:36] | stuartm: | err, when and why did the card type in the capture card setup become "DVB capture card" (an oxymoron)? |
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| [00:09:28] | iamlindoro: | Don't recall anyone touching those labels in... well, a really really long time |
| [00:12:42] | iamlindoro: | Of course it's sort of a moot point to argue over the naming as a healthy fraction of users of that card type aren't using DVB either |
| [00:12:42] | iamlindoro: | Of course it's sort of a moot point to argue over the naming as a healthy fraction of users of that card type aren't using DVB either |
| [00:12:47] | iamlindoro: | whoops :) |
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| [00:13:52] | iamlindoro: | The most region agnostic (and probably most comprehensible) way of naming it is probably "Digital Tuner Card (DVB, ATSC, QAM)" or the like |
| [00:20:12] | stuartm: | could be that it's always been called that, and I don't rule out that possibility as I'm _really_ tired, but I'd swear it was something more sane the last time I looked |
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| [07:54:38] | Finswimmer: | Hello, I am trying to write a new pre-selection for "watch recordings". at the very left side it should display 0–9, a-z (as in program finder). this works. now I am trying to locate the function where the recGroupList is filled. I think it is PlaybackBox::updateUIRecGroupList(void). But I do not see that there is a DB query? |
| [07:54:56] | Finswimmer: | (like in ProgFinder::whereClauseGetSearchData) |
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| [10:09:22] | stuartm: | are there any known issues with scanning DVB-S channels with a DVB-S2 card? Or DVB-S2 scanning problems generally that I might have missed on the -user list? |
| [10:50:28] | stuarta: | or are you the guinea pig? |
| [10:57:33] | stuartm: | heh, I certainly feel like I've just had a battery of painful experiments run on me ;) |
| [10:57:46] | stuartm: | it's working now, I don't even care why |
| [10:58:30] | stuarta: | pixie dust |
| [10:58:41] | stuarta: | that's why |
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| [12:05:24] | danielk22: | stuartm: I think you may be the first mythtv dev to do a channel scan with a dvb-s2 card. |
| [12:05:46] | stuartm: | could be |
| [12:06:27] | stuartm: | it actually seemed to go very well once the card started to lock, driver/hardware problem most likely |
| [12:07:06] | stuartm: | I've not checked whether any channels were missed, but at a glance it found everything I'd expect |
| [12:07:25] | stuartm: | hard to be certain when talking about 400–500 FTA channels |
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| [15:05:06] | MythBuild: | build #1381 of master-linux-64bit is complete: Failure [failed compile core] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . /builds/1381 blamelist: Jean-Yves Avenard <jyavenard@mythtv.org > |
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| [16:12:07] | wagnerrp: | any XMLTV users around? |
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| [16:59:49] | dekarl: | wagnerpp: about to head out but using xmltv |
| [17:00:41] | wagnerrp: | is use of --graboptions normal? |
| [17:00:54] | wagnerrp: | that seems like something that would normally be stored in the database |
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| [17:01:28] | dekarl: | From the xmltv dev POV I'd consider it a bug. |
| [17:01:51] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: that's new to me? where is it being used, what's the context? |
| [17:01:54] | dekarl: | You can store them with the mythfilldatabase options if I understand correctly |
| [17:01:55] | wagnerrp: | its certainly a bug in the parser, since it doesnt handle the — properly, taking it as a new option |
| [17:02:15] | wagnerrp: | but were discussing whether use of that option would be a common occurance |
| [17:02:37] | dekarl: | stuartm: australian shepherd suggests an hourly cronjob with mythfilldatabase and a grab option that makes shepherd do something only once a day. very strange |
| [17:02:38] | wagnerrp: | because of changes in the command line parser |
| [17:02:58] | wagnerrp: | accepting unescaped '--options' as string arguments would not be a simple fix |
| [17:03:08] | wagnerrp: | however moving those options to after a '--' would be |
| [17:03:17] | wagnerrp: | something like 'mythfilldatabase — --days 1' |
| [17:03:22] | dekarl: | maybe something like "--" everything from here on is not an option? |
| [17:03:29] | stuartm: | dekarl: eww |
| [17:03:50] | wagnerrp: | but, that would break everyone who currently uses the --graboptions option |
| [17:04:06] | wagnerrp: | im just trying to gage the damage that would do |
| [17:04:28] | stuartm: | that's screwed up, it's not mythtv's job to do that, it's the grabber scripts |
| [17:04:47] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: break it, then they'll be forced to implement it properly |
| [17:04:56] | wagnerrp: | basically, the problem is the new parser operates completely unaware of the options |
| [17:05:29] | wagnerrp: | so when it sees --graboptions followed by --daily, it has no way of telling that --daily is the second part of the option |
| [17:05:31] | dekarl: | first page of google results on "mythfilldatabase graboptions" hints on it being an australian variant |
| [17:05:38] | wagnerrp: | and instead returns it as two separate options |
| [17:05:40] | wagnerrp: | which is wrong |
| [17:06:14] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: honestly, just removed --graboptions, it's not the way mythfilldatabase was designed to operate at least as long as I've been maintaining it |
| [17:06:20] | sphery: | stuartm: how does this relate to xmltv capabilities? is it something that we still need? |
| [17:06:21] | dekarl: | shouldn't graboptiobs have one (and only) argument? |
| [17:06:39] | wagnerrp: | dekarl: it doesnt matter |
| [17:06:47] | wagnerrp: | since the shell removes the quotes around the string |
| [17:07:03] | wagnerrp: | the parser has no way of knowing that it is a value to the option |
| [17:07:23] | danielk22: | wagnerrp: the new parser doesn't know about the number of arguments an option takes? so "--file --my-file.mpg" won't work? |
| [17:07:30] | stuartm: | sphery: it's partly related, the grabber script could indicate run-frequency to mfdb through the preferredmethod capability if someone wanted to implement that |
| [17:07:32] | dekarl: | sphery capabilities need some love... I can't tell mythtv that I don't mind if it grabs all days of data instead of picking single days |
| [17:07:34] | wagnerrp: | danielk22: that is correct |
| [17:08:09] | stuartm: | I happen to think the whole approach is backwards, the xmltv grabber should be hiding all this from the user |
| [17:08:11] | danielk22: | that seems like a bug to me.. maybe not a serious one, but I expect things like filenames to be able to have any characters I please. |
| [17:08:15] | dekarl: | stuartm: shall we add "hourly runs preffered" to the preferredmethod? |
| [17:08:42] | wagnerrp: | danielk22: actually, we were discussing this in the other channel a while back, and utilities like 'rm' suffer the same problem |
| [17:08:46] | stuartm: | dekarl: "I can't tell mythtv that I don't mind if it grabs all days of data instead of picking single days" – preferredmethod = allatonce |
| [17:08:53] | wagnerrp: | you have to escape /--my-file.mpg for it to work |
| [17:08:58] | wagnerrp: | or \ |
| [17:09:15] | stuartm: | dekarl: we implemented that for the uk_rt grabber a couple of years back (at least) |
| [17:09:36] | dekarl: | stuartm: no, that's "it's better to grab --days 5 --offset 0 instead of --days 1 --offset 0 and --days 1 --offset 4" |
| [17:09:43] | wagnerrp: | this is what im talking about when i refer to the 'parser'... https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . ser.cpp#L252 |
| [17:09:57] | dekarl: | but I tend to use it the way you describe, too :( |
| [17:10:09] | stuartm: | dekarl: that's what 'allatonce' does, no? |
| [17:10:18] | stuartm: | it's certainly how it works internally |
| [17:11:02] | stuartm: | 'allatonce' fetches all days of data in a single grab, it doesn't grab a day at a time |
| [17:11:34] | wagnerrp: | danielk22: basically, it does not allow for arguments or values that are either a single character preceded by a '-', or any length preceded by a '--' |
| [17:11:37] | dekarl: | that part of the xmtv API is underdeveloped at best. allatonce is documented as "grabber prefers everything in one call", indeed |
| [17:12:59] | stuartm: | having a 'preferredmethod' of 'hourly' is certainly possible, we'd have the housekeeper schedule the next run accordingly, although I'd like to know exactly why the shepherd source requires that behaviour |
| [17:14:01] | dekarl: | hmm, how does the schedules direct code handle the "obey preferred times" part? Maybe that could be added to xmltv, too? Let the grabber return some "nextrun in one hour please" |
| [17:14:16] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: we aren't too far off any other UNIX util parser on that, BTW |
| [17:14:39] | stuartm: | i.e. right now it sounds like the shepherd methodology is broken and I'd like to understand why it operates the way it does before we start making modifications to mfdb |
| [17:14:57] | stuartm: | afk |
| [17:15:51] | dekarl: | I agree, but I don't know much about the australian habits. (besides suggesting xmltv timezone==auto, too ;) afk, too for 3–4h will parse the backlog then |
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| [19:06:19] | stuartm: | dekarl: which xmltv grabber are you maintaining? |
| [19:18:41] | stuartm: | the first card scheduling decisions are very annoying when you've got two sources with some channels appearing on both, e.g. tonight it decided to record the SD showing of a programme with priority -5 (HD showing had a -3 priority) because it had already scheduled a +6 priority show in SD on the HD source even though that +6 priority show is available on all cards |
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| [20:08:03] | davide_: | stuartm: i can send you a patch to try if you like. there's a long standing issue where the scheduler isn't as aggressive at moving things as it could be. |
| [20:10:15] | stuartm: | davide_: I'd be happy to help |
| [20:10:59] | davide_: | okay, i have a meeting coming up, so give me a little while. |
| [20:15:18] | stuartm: | davide_: there's really no hurry, I won't have time to test tonight anyway and it might be the weekend before I could do rigorous testing (before/after schedules etc) |
| [20:16:26] | stuartm: | anything which makes the scheduler a little less quirky and more predictable is worth waiting for ;) |
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| [20:26:21] | davide_: | i can't say anything about the quirkyness or predictability. that's in the eye of the beholder and those beholders have way too many differing expectations. anyway, the intent of the change is to make the scheduler more willing to move things as long as they doesn't wind up at a lower priority. |
| [20:32:10] | stuartm: | davide_: that'll do nicely |
| [20:34:23] | stuartm: | and by quirky I mean that it doesn't do that now, for example it will refuse to record a programme even when it's possible to schedule all the concurrent recordings |
| [20:36:30] | stuartm: | if the highest priority recording can be recorded on all cards but is scheduled on the first card and the second highest can _only_ be scheduled on the first card then it will mark the latter as a conflict |
| [20:37:43] | stuartm: | there's probably some game theory derived algorithm which applies here |
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| [20:52:31] | wagnerrp: | there was actually someone a year or so ago who wanted to rewrite the scheduler into a finite state machine |
| [20:52:42] | wagnerrp: | havent heard back about that in some time |
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| [21:09:02] | davide_: | stuartm: http://pastebin.com/r2rWLQLk. note that even with this change, there can still be cases where the scheduler will paint itself into a corner and won't do the best thing for many definitions of best. |
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| [21:15:28] | stuartm: | davide_: thanks, I'll let you know how it works |
| [21:17:58] | davide_: | stuartm: okay. i applied it to my production 0.24 setup to test it myself too. of course, i don't have many conflicts this time of year, so i might not see any difference. |
| [21:21:10] | stuartm: | I rarely have conflicts because of the number of tuners I have available and until now I've reduced the undesired scheduling decisions by changing the order of the cards so that the HD source is last |
| [21:21:52] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: is it alright if i commit a patch that moves the graboptions to the end of the command line, after a '--', and boot the ticket over to you? |
| [21:22:03] | stuartm: | after rebuilding the backend this week the cards are ordered so that the HD tuner is first and that should mean more conflicts |
| [21:22:31] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: if you're looking to avoid flack for removing graboptions, then sure ;) |
| [21:22:48] | wagnerrp: | well there will be flak one way or another |
| [21:22:55] | wagnerrp: | everyone currently using it will have to fix things |
| [21:22:59] | wagnerrp: | everyone else simply wont care |
| [21:23:13] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: aye, that's a good point |
| [21:24:25] | stuartm: | in which case, maybe it's best not to change it twice, if we just remove the option it will mean those using it only need to change their config once |
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| [21:24:53] | wagnerrp: | so hold off for now? |
| [21:25:29] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: yep, I'd like to talk to the xmltv devs and a selection of users first to see what the issues are |
| [21:26:20] | stuartm: | I don't think we need --graboptions or anything like it, but maybe I'm wrong on that |
| [21:26:30] | wagnerrp: | ok, the capability is already in the command line parser, so it will only take a few minutes to put together a patch |
| [21:27:15] | stuartm: | it's likely that a proper fix will need to be agreed with the grabber developers ASAP so that they can get the updated scripts into the next xmltv release |
| [21:31:34] | stuartm: | things move slowly over in xmltv land :) |
| [21:33:03] | davide_: | stuartm: this change should help as long as your schedule doesn't get to congested. |
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| [21:46:05] | beef-supreme: | hi |
| [21:46:18] | beef-supreme: | does mythtv use a tv tuner? |
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| [21:47:44] | iamlindoro: | Wrong channel, see topic, and yes, if you are using it correctly |
| [21:48:22] | beef-supreme: | will it auto-detect my tv tuner? |
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| [23:13:28] | dekarl: | stuartm: I'm running a (private as of now) data source for germany and maintain _fr_kazer, _pt_meo and whatever needs attention |
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