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| [01:49:44] | borei: | hi all |
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| [01:50:08] | borei: | was trying to build mythtv with vdpau support, but configure script sayes "no" |
| [01:50:24] | iamlindoro: | wrong channel, see topic |
| [01:50:42] | borei: | thanks :-) |
| [03:20:37] | jya: | Beirdo: you seem to be the IPv6 in-house expert... Keen on upgrading everything to IPv6; do I must have a IPv6 -> IPv4 tunnel? If I purchase a /32 IPv6 subnet, can I use it on any of my network gear no matter where they are connected, or it can only be used within the same local network ? |
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| [03:35:59] | wagnerrp: | a whole /32? what ever for? |
| [03:36:47] | Beirdo: | I'm not sure what terms would come for the routing of a subnet. The simplest method so far for getting IPv6 to home is by a tunnel |
| [03:37:42] | Beirdo: | most tunnel providers give you a /48 or /64, both of which are ungodly large for home use |
| [03:38:08] | wagnerrp: | although /64 is going to be the standard allotment for home users |
| [03:38:25] | Beirdo: | yeah, generally speaking |
| [03:39:01] | Beirdo: | I'd be lost as to what to do with a /32 ;) |
| [03:39:50] | wagnerrp: | id be lost as to what to do with anything more than a /64 |
| [03:39:59] | Beirdo: | the /48 or /64 provided by the tunnel broker is always going to be routed via that tunnel broker. |
| [03:40:37] | Beirdo: | but IPv4-wise you can connect your end anywhere in the world |
| [03:41:44] | Beirdo: | yeah, I have both a /48 and a /64. massive overkill |
| [03:44:09] | jya: | Beirdo: I guess my question is related to routing.. With my own IPv6 subnet, is it like IPv4 and really all has to be routed to the same endpoint. So all allocated IPv6 address are within a LAN ; or would I be able to assign some address to machines in Europe and others to my home in Oz |
| [03:45:11] | wagnerrp: | i assume routing would be done hierarchically |
| [03:46:03] | Beirdo: | yeah, I would assume so too. You could probably split it, but you'd be responsible for the routing on your own (routing for the world that is) |
| [03:46:20] | jya: | so it's fundamentally like IPv4 I guess and I can't assign an IP address anywhere in the world and expect it to work |
| [03:46:32] | Beirdo: | most likely it'd be easiest at this point to get two 4/6 tunnels |
| [03:46:45] | Beirdo: | you can, sure, just like IPv4 |
| [03:46:50] | Beirdo: | as long as you route it |
| [03:47:00] | jya: | ok... |
| [03:47:09] | jya: | well, that clarifies thing... |
| [03:47:19] | jya: | why would anyone want a /64 by default at home ? |
| [03:47:26] | Beirdo: | and most of us don't have networking gear to do that |
| [03:47:29] | jya: | already throwing away IPs |
| [03:47:58] | jya: | no matter how many there are.. |
| [03:48:06] | Beirdo: | /64 is what fits autoconfigure (mapping to MAC addresses) |
| [03:48:33] | wagnerrp: | because conceptually IPv6 is really only a 2^64 space |
| [03:48:46] | wagnerrp: | the first /64 denote the consumer endpoint |
| [03:48:46] | jya: | isn't it 2^128? |
| [03:48:47] | Beirdo: | ummm, hardly |
| [03:48:59] | wagnerrp: | the second /64 denote the local identifier |
| [03:49:11] | Beirdo: | hehe, that's like saying IPv5 is conceptually /24 |
| [03:49:20] | Beirdo: | v4 rather |
| [03:49:40] | wagnerrp: | well the /64 takes the place of IPv4's NAT |
| [03:49:47] | Beirdo: | it's just the convenient size chosen to be the common divider |
| [03:49:50] | wagnerrp: | instead of giving everyone a /32, you give them a /64 |
| [03:50:01] | wagnerrp: | but then you make everything within that routable |
| [03:50:42] | Beirdo: | yeah, it maps well to the local LAN MAC address, so they can't go much smaller |
| [03:50:54] | Beirdo: | and larger... is just not necessary |
| [03:51:36] | jya: | I have to rework on my WRT54 firmware then and add IPv6... |
| [03:51:57] | jya: | probably add the freenet6 client in it while I'm at it |
| [03:52:17] | Beirdo: | freenet6 should work well for you, you have a tunnel endpoint in Sydney |
| [03:52:59] | jya: | yes, I have chosen them for that reason. My ISP is trialing IPv6 already ; all their gear are already dual-stack |
| [03:53:01] | Beirdo: | so your IPv4 routing should stay in .au anyways unless they are poorly interconnected |
| [03:53:09] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [03:54:04] | Beirdo: | if you basically plan on using /64, you should be able to transfer the last 64 bits between /64s easily enough, conceptually like wagnerrp was alluding to |
| [03:54:36] | Beirdo: | so if they give you /64 native from the ISP, you just change the network portion, and done |
| [03:55:32] | jya: | I'm guessing I have then to put firewall on all my gear.. |
| [03:56:04] | jya: | I wonder the implication of running stuff like torrent now; they wouldn't be able to just pinpoint my ISP now, but even target the actual PC downloading.. |
| [03:56:21] | jya: | no more hiding |
| [03:56:32] | wagnerrp: | you dont have to use the auto-generated addresses |
| [03:56:42] | wagnerrp: | you can address your own machines sequentially if you wanted |
| [03:56:52] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: you don't have to, but you can actually do both :) |
| [03:57:08] | Beirdo: | my frontend has ::5 and the autoconf |
| [03:57:13] | Beirdo: | for instance |
| [04:01:43] | jya: | Beirdo: to encode in h264, what -vcodec should I provide to ffmpeg? |
| [04:02:29] | Beirdo: | umm, I'd have to look at what we use in nuvexport, but I think libx264 |
| [04:03:18] | jya: | I'm guessing this is with the external libx264 |
| [04:03:26] | jya: | doesn't ffmpeg has its own x264 encoder? |
| [04:03:40] | Beirdo: | don't think so |
| [04:03:46] | jya: | I keep getting "Unknown encoder 'libx264' |
| [04:03:52] | Beirdo: | decoder, yes, not so sure about encoder |
| [04:04:10] | Beirdo: | you'd have to install a version built with support |
| [04:04:20] | Beirdo: | like from medibuntu |
| [04:05:04] | jya: | ah ok... |
| [04:05:07] | Beirdo: | or from mythtv if compiled with libx264 support |
| [04:05:13] | jya: | well, going to compile it myself then |
| [04:05:15] | Beirdo: | mythffmpeg that is |
| [04:06:04] | jya: | I believe I have mythtranscode working with passthrough audio.. |
| [04:06:08] | jya: | but need to test :) |
| [04:06:14] | Beirdo: | ahhh |
| [04:07:17] | Beirdo: | finally, the sun's down. I can see again :) |
| [04:07:34] | Beirdo: | the curse of having a west-facing apartment |
| [04:08:16] | wagnerrp: | blackout curtains |
| [04:10:05] | Beirdo: | yeah, if it keeps being sunny (not that common in Seattle), I should put the blinds back down at least |
| [04:10:15] | Beirdo: | anyways... |
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| [04:27:55] | jya: | Beirdo: how in ffmpeg configure do you specify an extra path for where to look for extra header and libraries ? |
| [04:28:16] | Beirdo: | not sure |
| [04:28:42] | Beirdo: | wouldnt' it just be easier to use mythffmpeg? |
| [04:29:06] | jya: | well, I just want to compile with libx264 |
| [04:29:20] | jya: | and libx264 system isn't recent enough for the ffmpeg in myth |
| [04:29:25] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:29:28] | Beirdo: | gotcha |
| [04:29:36] | jya: | so I compiled and installed libx264 in my /usr/local/mythtv-trunk dir |
| [04:29:47] | jya: | which is where I build and compile myth |
| [04:31:47] | jya: | look like I will have to install libx264 in the root folder |
| [04:31:48] | jya: | how well |
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| [04:44:49] | jya: | Beirdo: working !! and perfect A/V sync using original audio stream... Can generate mkv now.. |
| [04:45:31] | Beirdo: | yay |
| [04:46:45] | jya: | main fix was found by Paul Gardiner |
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| [10:58:29] | stuartm: | mythweb – "150 programs, using 488 GB (-724559 hr)" |
| [10:59:36] | stuartm: | I'm sure watching TV wastes time, but would it really deduct 724000+ hours of my life? |
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| [16:17:27] | danielk22: | I haven't actually looked at the new VERBOSE code, but if we're putting everything in the database doesn't ACID mean we're doing an fsync for every line of debugging output? |
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| [16:39:44] | danielk22: | To anyone wondering it looks like the code delays db logging an average of 100 ms with a +/- 100 ms variance. This allows writes to be bunched. The code still allows 90%+ of a typical drive's capacity to be used for logging, but it looks like we can tune this fairly easily. |
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| [21:04:52] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, Out of curiosity, why the new window instead of adding the single widget to one of the schedule detail screens? |
| [21:09:03] | jpabq: | I started to do it as a single widget, but decided I liked to be able to see all the selected options without having to cycle through them one at a time. If gigem adds more than ~8 filters, it may still require some scrolling up and down to see what has been selected, but that is still seemed less tedious than just seeing one at a time. |
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| [21:16:18] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, Sure, but how it will appear will depend on the themer-- it just seems unfortunate to have to theme a whole new window for one widget |
| [21:16:26] | stuartm: | it could be either, both are buttonlists, it's just the presentation that's different, there's no rule that requires themers to portray some things in the 'selector' style and others as lists |
| [21:19:04] | iamlindoro: | Another thing I was concerned about is that the new window is called from what is already a second-level depth in the rule editor-- ie, you need to edit the rule, then pull up a second level screen, then yet another to get to filters |
| [21:19:04] | iamlindoro: | If it has to be its own window, wouldn't it be more consistent for it to be pulled up from where all the other second-order windows are? |
| [21:20:06] | ** iamlindoro curses comcast for its flappy internet-- I'm not seeing responses (and many of my comments aren't making it here) but I'm trying to catch up using the logs ** | |
| [21:21:57] | iamlindoro: | Speaking for Arclight, at least, the schedule editor is built around the fact that there are only two levels-- adding a third means I have to break the paradigm and figure out where to put the window for that one widget. If it were just a widget and not a window I would probably just put it in a selector style buttonlist and add it wherever |
| [21:32:46] | jpabq: | From a user-flow point of view, it just made sense to put on the options screen. I understand the problem in regards to Arclight, though --- If you (iamlindoro) and stuartm decide it should be done differently, I am certainly not going to stop you. |
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| [22:13:33] | gigem: | i didn't discuss the ui with jpabq nor have i looked at the actual code yet, but the way he has it is pretty much how i envidioned it. the filters really are part of Schedule Options, so it logically belongs there. furthermore, i personally would want to see all of the filters, or as many as possible, and how they are set when editing them. that pretty much dictates a third-level screen. |
| [22:16:31] | gigem: | as for the number of filters, there are only 6 defined currently. the code, however, allows for 12, but that number is completely arbitrary. the intent is to allow new filters to be added easily with only a scheme update or by users doing it themselves much like the powerpriority table. the user bit probably won't be well publicized, though. |
| [22:20:16] | gigem: | jpabq: we need to reconsider not allowing filters for single, findone and override rules. They should definitely be allowed for findone rules. i think that's a bug in the old code. for single and override rules, users still might want to use the high definition filter. the downside is that is makes it possible to choose nonsensical things like choosing an afternoon program and the setting the primetime filter. i might need to extend the code so |
| [22:20:17] | gigem: | that the filters indicate if they are suitable for single/override rules. |
| [22:22:13] | iamlindoro: | gigem, The number of filters being shown is up to the themer, though, not the developer. Anyway, I am just wary of the UI becoming even more difficult to use-- creating a recording rule is already not what I would consider easy, adding yet another divergent UI behavior only worsens the experience |
| [22:24:12] | iamlindoro: | But I'm not looking to pick a fight about it-- I avoid the frontend for creating rules because of the aforementioned confusing UI, I just use Mythweb |
| [22:24:34] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, Also, can we remove the "Back" button? Almost no screens use one, and requiring one where the rest of the frontend just uses the Escape Key/Back action without it is inconsistent-- At the very least can we just use UIUTILW so it's optional? |
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| [22:33:30] | jpabq: | iamlindoro, sure. In all the "default" themes, it was there so I just followed along. Feel free to make that change — or I can do it later on tonight. |
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| [22:51:07] | knightr: | iamlindoro, email to reynaldo sent, let's hope it gives results... If it doesn't then a mail to senior devs and/or the ML will be in order I guess... Let's hope I don't have to resort to this... |
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