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Tuesday, June 7th, 2011, 00:02 UTC
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[00:52:44] cerise8192: Hi — how do I know that mythbackend is actually recording?
[00:53:02] cerise8192: I don't see any files in the storage directories I set up
[00:53:20] cerise8192: and when I try to play the recording, I get console output that says:
[00:53:25] cerise8192: 2011-06–06 17:50:17.522 PlaybackBox::play(): Error, /GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/boogeyman/1021_20110606175000.mpg file not found
[00:54:05] iamlindoro: wrong channel, see topic
[00:54:21] cerise8192: There should be a law about topics being >80 chars
[00:54:26] cerise8192: *sigh* Thanks
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[01:55:19] taylorr: markk: Cars and BSG work fine for me now :) – sphery, mentioned earlier today that the WD Green HDs have an 8 sec idle timeout – and since those matroska videos don't read anything for 10+ secs my hard drive hosting them was parking – I changed the timeout to 5 minutes (per sphery's recommendation) and now with the new buffer changes I don't have any pauses
[01:56:15] taylorr: I guess we'll have to start asking people if they have WD Green drives if they still have pause issues with Matroska :)
[02:20:06] Beirdo: taylorr: YAY
[02:20:20] Beirdo: glad you found the core of why your setup was acting so differently :)
[02:20:28] markk: taylorr: cool – another thing to keep in miind:)
[02:20:43] Beirdo: our machines weren't THAT much different, but I have WD blacks. I never thought of that
[02:22:00] taylorr: if it wasn't for sphery I'd probably have ended up ripping every single strand of hair off my head!
[02:22:17] Beirdo: sphery++ :)
[02:23:00] taylorr: in a nutshell, WD Green + ext4 with barriers = insanity!
[02:25:01] Beirdo: I will definitely need to remember that
[02:33:02] taylorr: markk: I've been thinking about how to properly support display position, duration and seeking – probably should write something up and get some opinions
[02:36:06] taylorr: there's a lot of variables: seektable, no seektable, timestamp discontinuity which will tell us to either seek by time or seek by byte and how to generate position/duration properly
[02:37:46] sphery: taylorr: heh, yeah, was very fortunate that stuartm brought up the load cycle count on his WD Green today.
[02:38:45] markk: sphery: while you're here – was there a ticket recently about the frontend leaking memory – playback/osd related?
[02:39:28] iamlindoro: justeffinspheryit.com
[02:40:10] markk: tm
[02:40:16] iamlindoro: hah
[02:40:39] sphery: I don't remember one, but I'm definitely slipping, lately. Have missed a lot more than I wanted to.
[02:40:54] wagnerrp: its easier than google, a bit slower to type though
[02:41:33] iamlindoro: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9707 ?
[02:41:42] ** markk is so disappointed in sphery **
[02:42:15] sphery: heh, it seems I need to hand the sceptre to iamlindoro
[02:42:34] iamlindoro: iamlindoro has too many letters to be an effective JF_I domain
[02:42:37] markk: the king is dead, long live the king
[02:43:39] sphery: markk: or, perhaps: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9459#comment:5
[02:44:11] sphery: though you had fixed that, so...
[02:45:03] markk: I think 9707 is the one I was after... soon to be closed hopefully. thanks guys.
[02:45:35] sphery: nice... though it means my reign is definitely over.
[02:46:37] iamlindoro: Always trying to ge out of doing any work around here, that sphery
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[04:59:22] markk: I seem to remember danielk mentioning something the other day – but has anyone else seen semi-random vdpau weirdness? playback goes all flickery and performance goes to pot.
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[05:45:19] Beirdo: I haven't seen it here
[05:45:31] Beirdo: good work on plugging that memory leak :)
[05:48:36] Beirdo: oh crapola
[05:49:03] Beirdo: my HDPVR isn't in the backend's active source list.
[05:49:13] markk: hrm – make distclean seems to have cured vdpau woes
[05:49:17] Beirdo: if it ain't one thing, it's another, it seems
[05:50:31] Beirdo: was going to restart anyways
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[06:29:00] Beirdo: OK, next up... find all the stray uses of cout and cerr in our code and consider converting to proper logging
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[07:17:37] okolsi: markk: found a playback resolution problem when starting dvd from bookmark, interested? :)
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[07:49:39] stuartm: heh, good job I just ordered a new HDD, the old one has begun to fail this morning
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[08:28:21] markk: okolsi: shoot...
[08:36:53] okolsi: markk: starting Grand Torino from bookmark makes the video out too small, black bars surrounding the picture.. logs should tell you more, just a sec..
[08:41:10] okolsi: markk: this a start where initial picture is okay but after couple of frames, picture re-sizes to be too small: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/2076041
[08:46:30] markk: okolsi: are you sure it's actually an error? (i.e. is that how it is encoded) – there's nothing odd in the log.
[08:46:37] markk: be back in a couple of hours...
[09:22:45] okolsi: markk: I think I found something from the logs, when you have time: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/2076060
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[11:10:51] markk: okolsi: is it just the aspect ratio that is wrong? it goes from 1.778 to 1.333 – which I assume is incorrect?
[11:14:55] stuartm: looks like it was encoded incorrectly unless it really is supposed to 4:3
[11:17:53] markk: but we also get the aspect ratio from libdvdnav – can't remember if that is logged though...
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[12:20:47] okolsi: markk: yeah, the aspect ratio is the problem. when starting playback from the beginning, everything works. if bookmark startup is used or jump to next chapter, then the aspect ratio goes wrong
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[12:22:41] okolsi: markk: I wonder where those incorrect display rect values come from? I suppose those are not coming from DVD/libdvdnav etc? 1920x1080 is correct, 1440x1080 incorrect
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[12:38:20] okolsi: fix_1080i() in videooutwindow.cpp looks dubious..
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[13:07:24] stuartm: mythprotoserver depends on libmythui? That doesn't seem right ...
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[13:17:03] stuartm: Captain_Murdoch: mind if I break MythSystemEventEditor out of mythsystemevent.h so that code which depends on MythSystemEvent doesn't also need to pull in UI code?
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[13:34:01] stuartm: the helpers are also causing some circular linking, libmythtv depends on libmyth for MythSystemRecEvent which depends on libmythtv for RecordingInfo
[13:35:02] stuartm: there's no reason why RecEvent/PlayEvent couldn't be in libmythtv, it's just not as tidy as having them all in one place
[13:43:03] markk: okolsi: the 1920x1080 and 1440x1080 are just the symptoms. the root cause is 'width: 720, height: 576, aspect: 1.77778' changing to 'width: 720, height: 576, aspect: 1.33333'
[13:48:17] markk: okolsi: I'm guessing the problem is dvdringbuffer.cpp lines 823...849. If we skip over the vts change, the player doesn't receive the aspect ratio override. should probably just force an update after each seek
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[14:14:57] wagnerrp: stuartm: mythprotoserver depends on the ringbuffer, which is in libmythtv, which depends on libmythui
[14:15:28] wagnerrp: not ideal
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[14:43:13] superm1: this mythmediaserver binary, should it be on both frontend or backend, or just one of them?
[14:44:25] wagnerrp: frontend only
[14:44:53] wagnerrp: if you are running a backend, you already have a file server, and dont need the new binary
[14:53:15] superm1: OK, thanks
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[16:45:26] Captain_Murdoch: stuartm, for some reason I think we discussed that earlier or maybe it was with someone else. feel free to break the editor out, I've contemplated doing it in the past myself, but my free time is severely limited lately. :(
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[17:38:04] stuartm: wagnerrp: aye, there are other dependancy chains which drag in mythui anyway, but I've been trying to limit the number of direct dependencies so that ultimately it should be easier to sort out the orders
[17:38:29] stuartm: Captain_Murdoch: if we did discuss it earlier then I've forgotten that conversation
[17:41:14] stuartm: wagnerrp: a lot of the tangle is in libmyth, and we were slowly splitting out much of that into other libs in order to deal with these issues but you're right about libmythtv in this instance – logic suggests that the ringbuffer is relocated to libmythdb but there might be complications there
[17:41:28] wagnerrp: libmythbase
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[17:41:41] wagnerrp: (you renamed that one, remember?)
[17:41:54] stuartm: heh, yeah, libmythbase
[17:42:50] wagnerrp: stuartm: additionally, there seems to be no attempt to manage dependencies in the executables
[17:42:55] wagnerrp: theyre all linked to everything blindly
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[17:44:00] stuartm: yup, it needs sorting but it will be easier once the libs are organised as some classes are going to be moved around requiring changes to the binary linking anyway
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[17:45:35] wagnerrp: anyway, off the top of my head, the only stuff it pulls from outside libbmythbase are the ringbuffer, systemevent, and filesysteminfo
[17:46:31] wagnerrp: and the filesysteminfo class could probably be moved directly into libmythbase if you wanted (from libmyth)
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[17:47:31] Beirdo: and (once it's merged) likely mythcommandlineparser
[17:48:44] stuartm: if I split out the stuff I mentioned from msystemevent then that can probably be moved directly to libmythbase too, I'd need to look at the rb case before I can say the same for that
[17:49:15] stuartm: gives me something to do :)
[17:49:33] Beirdo: cool :) It's always good to have something to chew on, as it were.
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[18:13:46] marl_scot: hi guys, am trying to install mythtv on a debian squeeze 64 bit system, and am getting 'dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libqtwebkit-dev' and 'dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Build conflicts: libartsc0-dev' anyone got any pointers as i cant find anything in google :(
[18:14:08] wagnerrp: sounds like a user support issue
[18:14:47] marl_scot: sorry wagnerrp mistyped the channel, will jump over and ask there
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[19:09:46] gigem: do changes to libmythtv only require a bump to MYTH_BINARY_VERSION? i think not, but i want to be sure.
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[19:18:44] stuartm: any change to any library's API (e.g. the headers) requires a version bump
[19:19:07] stuartm: that goes for libmythbase, libmythui, libmyth*
[19:20:16] stuartm: gigem: or have I read that question backwards?
[19:21:19] stuartm: just in case I have – changing libmythtv only requires a binary version change, unless it touches the protocol etc but there aren't any other relevant version strings
[19:25:14] gigem: the changes are only to mythbackend and libs/libmythtv. there is no protocol change.
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[19:26:35] gigem: i thought libs/libmythtv was only for the use of mythtv itself, i.e. no plugins or outside code. in that case there shouldn't be any need to bump the binary version.
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[19:33:46] stuartm: gigem: been the case that plugins use bits from pretty much all the libs for a while now, I can't swear that none of them are using libmythtv atm, mythvideo probably does in fact
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[19:35:09] stuartm: mythmusic might do in future, it already uses libav* for decoding etc and markk was working on convergence, having the internal player able to play mp3s etc for use with mythmusic
[19:37:40] stuartm: and of course we can't really know what third party plugins are doing
[19:38:00] stuartm: it's just safer to always bump the version IMHO
[19:39:03] Beirdo: gigem: just a reminder... if ya increase the schema number, please remember the bindings (as noted above the schema number in the source) :)
[19:39:37] gigem: Beirdo: yaeh, i know i forgot about that last time. sorry.
[19:39:40] Beirdo: little things that get so easily forgotten :)
[19:39:55] Beirdo: glad to see some work on scheduling fun, BTW :)
[19:40:03] gigem: stuartm: that's all why i asked.
[19:42:18] stuartm: ok, I've checked and no official plugins are linking libmythtv yet, but the third party plugin reason is still valid I guess :)
[19:43:52] stuartm: I'm still waiting for someone to realise that they can do more than just UI stuff with plugins
[19:43:54] Beirdo: wow, not even mythvideo? I woulda thought for the player
[19:44:05] stuartm: Beirdo: it uses an old callback system
[19:44:09] Beirdo: ahhh
[19:44:41] stuartm: it's less than perfect, you don't get the same level of integration that you might if you had full access to the API
[19:45:16] Beirdo: for sure
[19:45:37] Beirdo: it's a good way of decoupling in general
[19:49:01] stuartm: whenever we have video in the UI then I think plugins will want full access to be able to interact better, but for now it works just fine since the plugins never need to do anything more complicated than "play this video file now"
[19:49:37] Beirdo: Yeah, fills the current need pretty well
[19:51:55] stuartm: if we start seeing plugins which do some custom scheduling stuff e.g. auto-scheduling based on recommendations or that sort of thing then they'll have to link libmythtv but no-one seems to have tried anything interesting like that
[19:52:18] Beirdo: yeah, they get inspired, then daunted, then quit :)
[19:54:09] Beirdo: that could make a nice GSoC project though
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[19:56:18] stuartm: and by coincidence gigem has just modified the class they'd want to be using :)
[20:24:06] iamlindoro: stuartm: MythBrowser (and thus, Mythnetvision) use libmythtv
[20:24:22] iamlindoro: for playback groups, so that remote control of flash players can use player bindings
[20:25:46] Beirdo: hmm, that makes me think, actually.. might it not make sense to have mythbrowser as part of core, in that plugins relying on other plugins kinda seems like an odd architecture
[20:26:55] stuartm: iamlindoro: ok, odd, I didn't see them linking libmythtv in the .pro files but I must have missed it
[20:35:04] iamlindoro: Beirdo: MNV doesn't rely on mythbrowser
[20:35:44] iamlindoro: (it just relies on a configured browser, so you can technically just have firefox or whatever configured as your browser, you just miss out on the fullscreen, remote control, etc)
[20:35:52] Beirdo: ooooh
[20:36:05] Beirdo: I getcha
[20:36:41] Beirdo: that makes it clearer to my muddled brain, thanks :)
[20:38:21] iamlindoro: stuartm: yeah, easy to miss, but it's there in the mythbrowser.pro file... I remember being very anxious about adding it because I had thought it was a big no-no, but you were actually the one who convinced me it was fine :)
[20:39:47] stuartm: iamlindoro: well as we all know by now my memory sucks
[20:40:03] stuartm: I'm the extreme opposite to sphery
[20:40:08] iamlindoro: heh, that's what we have sphery's for
[20:40:13] iamlindoro: er spherii
[20:40:15] iamlindoro: or whatever
[20:41:12] iamlindoro: spherae
[20:43:18] sphery: stuartm: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/a746d462a9f8 (MythFlashPlayer: Perform seeks based on the seek amounts of the default playgroup.), then https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/8d49bf3134 ("Fix linking/compilation of mythbrowser. Requires a distclean." where you linked libmythtv in plugins), then https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/f642741c1 ("Fix linking in mythplugins with picky linkers.
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[20:43:54] sphery: where I removed libmythtv from plugins), then https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/cf116aeab ("Revert "Fix linking in mythplugins with picky linkers."" where you reverted my revert and did things differently)
[20:44:04] sphery: when we had libmythtv in plugins it caused problems with linking
[20:44:34] stuartm: sphery: heh, thanks, I was going to take iamlindoro on his word though ;)
[20:44:41] sphery: but I'm pretty sure mythplugins/programs-libs.pro still has -lmythtv in it
[20:45:25] sphery: heh, yeah, I was planning on saying that before he mentioned it, but was on the phone and couldn't actually read scrollback, then figured I'd send it anyway :)
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[20:45:48] iamlindoro: commit URLs typed from memory, of course
[20:46:09] stuartm: program-libs.pro doesn't contain lmythtv fwiw
[20:46:47] iamlindoro: Yeah, if you want to be particularly thorough, you can track forward a little further when it's moved just to the plugin that needed it
[20:47:01] stuartm: it's the first place I looked before going through the various plugin specific files, I suspect I skipped mythbrowser because it seemed the least likely to link that lib
[20:47:06] iamlindoro: its in mythplugins/mythbrowser/mythbrowser.pro, line 6ish
[20:47:40] sphery: ah, so got moved specifically to mythbrowser
[20:48:00] sphery: would be easy to miss, though
[20:48:16] iamlindoro: Anyway, we can all agree that it's there somewhere, and that we all had a hand in it getting there ;)
[20:48:50] sphery: heh, yeah
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