| Monday, June 6th, 2011, 00:02 UTC | ||
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| [01:12:22] | taylorr: | markk: I'm not running master on my production setup – not sure if it's safe to upgrade yet |
| [01:13:03] | taylorr: | jpabq: I'll have to look at the ext4 barriers |
| [01:13:12] | taylorr: | also do I need master for that patch you sent? |
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| [01:45:44] | jpabq: | taylorr, I don't know about the need for master, but that is what I am running. |
| [01:46:52] | taylorr: | jpabq: thanks for the patches, looks cool |
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| [02:22:02] | MythBuild: | build #1288 of master-linux-64bit is complete: Failure [failed compile core] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . /builds/1288 blamelist: Raymond Wagner <rwagner@mythtv.org > |
| [02:26:26] | MythBuild: | build #1048 of master-linux-32bit is complete: Failure [failed compile core] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . /builds/1048 blamelist: Raymond Wagner <rwagner@mythtv.org > |
| [02:27:26] | wagnerrp: | stupid linux... builds fine on freebsd |
| [02:27:28] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [02:27:46] | MythBuild: | build #75 of master-freebsd-64bit is complete: Failure [failed compile plugins] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . it/builds/75 blamelist: Raymond Wagner <rwagner@mythtv.org > |
| [02:28:23] | wagnerrp: | crap |
| [02:29:06] | markk: | :) |
| [02:40:52] | wagnerrp: | i was going to say its just the x86 linuxes struggling, since the ppc bot is still chugging along |
| [02:41:09] | wagnerrp: | but its still chugging along from your commit an hour ago |
| [02:50:08] | MythBuild: | build #76 of master-freebsd-64bit is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . it/builds/76 |
| [02:59:02] | MythBuild: | build #1049 of master-linux-32bit is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . /builds/1049 |
| [03:00:17] | markk: | wagnerrp: out of interest, is it possible to have a single 'server' binary that just autodetects what it needs to do? e.g. there are no tuners configured on this machine, start up as a mediaserver. if there are no storage groups defined, just start a jobqueue etc |
| [03:00:42] | wagnerrp: | it could be, sure |
| [03:01:10] | wagnerrp: | the way this is set up, you just mix and match whatever handles you want to use for your purposes |
| [03:01:20] | wagnerrp: | so those could be managed dynamically on load, rather than statically during compile |
| [03:01:42] | wagnerrp: | but the plan for a while has been to break up the backend into mutliple smaller parts |
| [03:02:18] | wagnerrp: | although technically speaking, mythmediaserver doesnt break up anything |
| [03:02:30] | wagnerrp: | since its only duplicating capability that will have to exist in the backend |
| [03:08:05] | markk: | wagerrp: thanks – I was just coming at it from a user perspective – makes it that little bit easier if you just know you have to start mythbackend on each box. |
| [03:08:34] | markk: | maybe mythbackend becomes some sort of starter binary that launches whatever else is needed. |
| [03:08:40] | wagnerrp: | well sphery intend to work on that one |
| [03:08:46] | wagnerrp: | have some other program as a starter binary |
| [03:09:01] | markk: | anyway – nice work:) |
| [03:09:04] | wagnerrp: | that starts up whatever other applications, backend, fileserver, jobqueue, etc... |
| [03:09:55] | wagnerrp: | its been sitting on my hard drive in some form or another for about six months |
| [03:10:10] | wagnerrp: | finally decided to just get it in there so im forced to make it work properly |
| [03:11:11] | wagnerrp: | it seems to work from the testing ive done |
| [03:11:33] | wagnerrp: | but based off the logs, i believe it is "leaking" sockets, and never giving them that final DownRef to get them to delete themselves |
| [03:14:01] | wagnerrp: | huh... linux 64-bit still failed |
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| [03:30:24] | MythBuild: | build #1290 of master-linux-64bit is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . /builds/1290 |
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| [03:42:43] | taylorr: | markk: I think that readbuffersize getting too large prevents the readahead buffer from getting more full |
| [03:43:09] | taylorr: | it is allowed to grow to 1/4 of BufferSize |
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| [03:45:19] | taylorr: | the most optimal thing would be to adjust readbuffersize if it's greater than the available buffer |
| [03:51:31] | markk: | taylorr: do you mean readblocksize? |
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| [04:10:28] | taylorr: | markk: yes, working on a patch now |
| [04:12:26] | markk: | wagnerrp: mythbackend segfaulting on startup – looks like somewhere in QUERY_FREE_SPACE_LIST |
| [04:12:46] | markk: | (mainserver) |
| [04:24:27] | taylorr: | markk: I think you'll like this one -> http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/2075377 |
| [04:24:43] | taylorr: | should get your buffer used upto 99% :) |
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| [04:26:02] | taylorr: | markk: if you feel like it's a good change then please go ahead and commit – I don't have enough resources to thoroughly test right now |
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| [05:05:28] | taylorr: | markk: since we are now making the BufferSize dynamic it would be helpful to have it for the OSD statistics – like "Available Buffer: 99% (32.0MB)" |
| [05:08:48] | taylorr: | markk: updated patch to ignore read timing for reads less than readblocksize -> http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/2075386 |
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| [05:35:58] | markk: | taylorr: thanks – I'll take a look, though I don't have any issue getting to 99% – it's just the time it takes to get there:) |
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| [06:41:55] | Beirdo: | markk: nice work :) |
| [06:42:40] | Beirdo: | you may want to change the delta from 32k to 64k or something (subject to testing of course) if it would let you hit the threshhold better |
| [06:44:57] | Beirdo: | oh, and with the removal of O_SYNC on the debug logs, the new-logging is keeping up fine even with the spewing -v file |
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| [08:01:04] | Beirdo: | 2011-06–06 00:57:56.245333 MythPainter: 868 images not yet de-allocated. |
| [08:01:12] | Beirdo: | getting rather large, isn't it? |
| [08:44:30] | stuarta: | stuartm: with regard to scheduling messages from eit. there is dup matching already, but it doesn't work on those message because the time it takes the query to run varies slightly, the dup matching should be slightly less fussy. |
| [08:52:20] | stuarta: | Beirdo: ^^^ there's a suggestion for you :) |
| [08:56:01] | Beirdo: | yeah, but that's way easier said than done :) |
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| [09:17:28] | stuarta: | that's probably why it never got off my rainy day list |
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| [09:35:25] | stuartm_: | stuarta: janneg's plans to re-think active EIT collection probably would have reduced the messages substantially because we'd have been re-scheduling less frequently but I think that's now on indefinite hold |
| [09:37:56] | stuarta: | hmmmm.. |
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| [14:14:23] | ** iamlindoro wonders if we have any project-allocated Schedules Direct codes this year ** | |
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| [14:45:56] | taylorr: | jpaba: this sounds about what I was experiencing -> "For me ext4 with barriers is simply too slow. I develop digiKam and right now I'm doing speed optimizations. Copying 5 files in digiKam takes 10 seconds with ext4 and barriers enabled, without barriers (or reiserfs for example) it is done in 1 second." |
| [14:47:13] | stuartm: | heh, so rated load cycle on WD Green is 300K, mine is now 1000K ... stupid crappy firmware |
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| [15:50:43] | sphery: | stuartm: Actually the drive has been validated to 1M load/unload cycles on WD Green, but they "forgot" to update the SMART values. http://wdc.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5357 (of course, you've just hit your 1M, so...). I ran wdidle3 on mine and updated the idle time to 5min (versus its default 8s). http://support.wdc.com/product/download.asp?g . . . &lang=en (and I can give you a 2.88MB floppy image--that I boot off USB ... |
| [15:50:49] | sphery: | ... flash--with it, if you like) |
| [15:51:23] | ** stuarta likes the sounds of a 'wdidle3' ** | |
| [15:53:34] | sphery: | stuartm: and regarding the scheduling messages having repeat counting... That's actually the DB logging API (which requires a completely different logging command) and sends a copy to the mythlog table, but also writes it to log file (so you only get those messages if you enable "Log MythTV events to database". |
| [15:54:22] | sphery: | In new-logging, we use the same API (and the same VERBOSE() macro) to trigger all logging, and it's written out by any loggers you've enabled (db, file, syslog, ...) |
| [15:55:12] | sphery: | the bright side about the change is that if we decide repeat counting (or fuzzy repeat counting) is worthwhile, we only have one logging API to modify to get it |
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| [16:03:37] | taylorr: | sphery: idle time of 8 secs for WD Green? |
| [16:03:58] | taylorr: | does that spin the disk down? |
| [16:04:12] | sphery: | yeah, it's meant to be "green" and power efficient. They took it a bit too far. I think it does spin down after the 8s. |
| [16:05:02] | taylorr: | sphery: so if we only read from the file every 10–20 secs (insanely muxed Matroska) we'll have to spin it back up to start reading again |
| [16:05:23] | sphery: | yeah... for those, the WD Green would be a very bad choice, unless you've modified the idle time |
| [16:05:57] | taylorr: | sphery: how can you tell what the idle time is under linux? |
| [16:06:43] | sphery: | wdidle3 lets you query it... it's part of the firmware settings, so I think you need the disk utility for it. TTBOMK, WD Green is the only one with insanely small idle time |
| [16:06:48] | stuarta: | taylorr: hdparm |
| [16:07:01] | sphery: | that might work, though... |
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| [16:09:03] | taylorr: | sphery: looks like only 3 models affected according to the link you provided |
| [16:10:42] | sphery: | taylorr: the 2nd link is a link to their wdidle3 utility, which is meant to only be used by enterprise customers on expensive, er, enterprise drives, and lists only 3 enterprise models. The first link ( http://wdc.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5357 ) shows all the models affected by the short/aggressive idle settings. |
| [16:13:17] | taylorr: | sphery: cool, my model is affected |
| [16:13:43] | taylorr: | I guess I'll need to buy a USB floppy drive |
| [16:13:47] | taylorr: | what a waster |
| [16:14:23] | taylorr: | sphery: is the only way to do it is a DOS based utility |
| [16:15:28] | laga: | taylorr: you can boot from usb thumb stick |
| [16:15:49] | sphery: | never actually tried this one, but it /claims/ to do the same: http://www.sagaforce.com/~sound/wdantiparkd/ |
| [16:17:09] | sphery: | ah, wdantiparkd actually writes to the disk every 7 seconds if no one else has :) |
| [16:18:20] | sphery: | don't know if he's right that wdidle3 usage voids warranty, though, so might be worth considering |
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| [16:32:01] | Unhelpful: | unpacking one of those is rather trivial ;) |
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| [16:39:58] | stuartm: | sphery: wdidle won't run on my machine, just crashes out immediately – seems to be a controller related issue, Janne had the problem on one of his boards but not the other |
| [16:40:47] | stuartm: | I've just gone ahead and ordered a new drive (Samsung) and I'll bin the WD |
| [16:41:47] | sphery: | ah, that's too bad. Once you set a 5min idle time, those drives are pretty nice. |
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| [16:58:43] | stuartm: | sphery: it's a relatively small 500GB drive anyway, that was already more than I needed for a system drive (vs media) but since I'm running out of space on my media drives I'd opted to replace one of the TB drives with a new 2 TB and that drive can then become the system drive |
| [17:00:07] | stuartm: | I might still stick non-recording media on a partition, e.g. music/photos otherwise it would just be wasted |
| [17:04:12] | sphery: | Yeah, even with 8s timeout, it's not bad for something like that--or even in an external USB enclosure for archival or backups or whatever |
| [17:09:00] | stuartm: | might get used for backups, or backups of backups |
| [17:28:20] | Beirdo: | whenever danielk is back, he can ping me for the URL to the test mkvs (I don't want to put it in channel) |
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| [19:53:52] | stuartm: | OH CRAP, BBC HD channels moved to DVB-S2 today ... |
| [19:54:12] | stuartm: | well that's put me in a bad mood |
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| [20:01:02] | Beirdo: | that should keep a couple UK devs busy? |
| [20:03:29] | iamlindoro: | Buying shopping, maybe |
| [20:03:34] | iamlindoro: | er busy shopping |
| [20:03:46] | iamlindoro: | we already support S2, so shouldn't need any development effort |
| [20:14:27] | Beirdo: | We'll know for sure if we missed a spot soon, I bet :) |
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| [20:19:19] | taylorr: | sphery: you're the man! |
| [20:19:48] | taylorr: | it was that 8 sec idle on the WD Green that caused those Matroska videos to pause :) |
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| [21:00:59] | sphery: | taylorr: heh, glad that one is explainable--and at least you found some stuff that will likely lead to improvements in the buffers/read threads |
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