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| [04:57:22] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, if you are looking at automatic scaling, were you planning on leaving in the functionality to only run X number of jobs on a host? |
| [04:58:41] | wagnerrp: | i was intending to have to just have on or off |
| [04:58:52] | wagnerrp: | on would scale as it saw fit, off would just do one per host |
| [04:59:06] | wagnerrp: | i could add a third option for 'dumb' scaling, where you set your own static limit |
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| [05:00:37] | wagnerrp: | thats going to be a long way off still, so plenty of time to discuss that one |
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| [05:04:21] | Captain_Murdoch: | ok, thanks. I rejected an initial version of a patch a while back for auto-scaling because it took away the ability to force a hard limit, that's why I wanted to ask. I run both my mythjobqueue and master backend set to 1 job limit for various reasons. I told him I wanted to keep the 'max jobs' spinbox, but it coudl have an 'auto' which woudl enable the auto scaling, so it would still only be a single setting. |
| [05:04:34] | wagnerrp: | perhaps have some modular scaler, similar to the storage leveling |
| [05:06:35] | wagnerrp: | although with that plan, you would basically be writing full schedulers |
| [05:06:51] | wagnerrp: | have a framework of commands on the job manager |
| [05:07:04] | wagnerrp: | and a member object it would call on for scheduling |
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| [05:10:48] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah, scheduling is the harder part, making things event driven is 'easy' compared to that. I only mention it because I think myself and others will always want the ability to optionally enforce a max. I may want to run a jobqueue on a machine, but I might not want to have it consuming all cores or I/O, even if the processes are niced. |
| [05:14:12] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, not sure if you want to take a look at the patch or not to get any ideas, but I just closed that ticket regarding auto-scaling, so check your ticket emails if interested. |
| [05:14:33] | wagnerrp: | yeah, youve mentioned it in the past |
| [05:14:42] | wagnerrp: | its something ill get to eventually |
| [05:15:16] | clever: | i remember mythcommflag having an extra-nice option, for framegrabbers, done by using sleep() often |
| [05:15:22] | wagnerrp: | best option would probably be to make it the scheduler modular, and just write a max jobs per host scheduler for now |
| [05:15:54] | wagnerrp: | clever: yeah, IIRC it would not use more than 20% CPU or something |
| [05:16:19] | clever: | might be smarter to check cpu usage and auto-tune that delay to reach a set goal |
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| [05:19:04] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, sorry, not trying to be a nuisance, too many things on my brain sometimes. :| |
| [05:19:08] | wagnerrp: | honestly, i wouldnt mind seeing that setting gone |
| [05:21:13] | Captain_Murdoch: | clever, that is the 'low' cpu usage option combined with nice. medium is just nice w/ no-sleep, and high is no-nice no-sleep. |
| [05:21:53] | Captain_Murdoch: | predates ability to ionice as well I think. |
| [05:22:58] | Captain_Murdoch: | and mythjobqueue and lots of other things. predates the JobQueue I believe, so you either ran flagging immediately after a recording or not at all unless you did it manually. |
| [05:24:07] | Captain_Murdoch: | not any need for the sleep now really. if you need the sleep, you should be using the job window to run jobs overnight or during other off-hours. |
| [05:25:30] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i like that option |
| [05:25:37] | clever: | ive got a dedicated job box, no need for sleep here |
| [05:25:47] | wagnerrp: | i think ill strip the sleep stuff out of mythjobqueue as part of all of this |
| [05:29:11] | wagnerrp: | a 4yr old one, must have been some kind of record |
| [05:47:02] | wagnerrp: | why does the preview generator get run after a successful commflag? |
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| [07:40:40] | xris: | wagnerrp: possibly to generate one not inside of a commercial block |
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| [13:10:18] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, as xris said, after commflagging, we regen previews because preview gen will take into account flag lists |
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| [16:40:19] | wagnerrp: | what would be the reason for a transcode job to exit and restart itself? |
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| [17:39:19] | stuartm: | exit naturally? i.e. ignoring the case of external intervention or hardware restarts? |
| [17:40:57] | wagnerrp: | yeah, theres a GENERIC_EXIT_RESTART that the transcoder to fire, which causes the jobqueue to immediately start it back up |
| [17:46:22] | stuartm: | haven't a clue |
| [17:47:19] | stuartm: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/7df45359 |
| [17:48:19] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: ok, looks like that's at the request of the backend if there is a change to the cutlist while it's transcoding |
| [17:48:45] | stuartm: | or as the result of 'a recoverable error' |
| [17:49:08] | wagnerrp: | ok, so the jobqueue itself should just forcefully terminate the transcode, and start it back up on its own |
| [17:50:05] | wagnerrp: | ill just remove it for now, with the intent to add back the behavior in another manner |
| [17:53:45] | stuartm: | that latter reason seems dubious, if the error was recoverable then why does the transcoder need to exit |
| [17:53:54] | wagnerrp: | right |
| [17:54:12] | wagnerrp: | the cutlist change is a valid reason i didnt think of |
| [17:54:20] | wagnerrp: | but its really one the job scheduler should be handling |
| [17:54:26] | wagnerrp: | rather than the transcoder dropping out on its own |
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| [21:10:40] | stuarta: | we need to add something to the frontend so that if it fails the protocol check it actually *tells* you |
| [21:10:53] | xris: | hmm, that might be helpful. heh |
| [21:11:07] | xris: | need a better way to opt in to the hardware profile stuff, too |
| [21:11:43] | stuarta: | not to mention that the protocol change was in 0.24-fixes |
| [21:12:00] | xris: | ouch |
| [21:12:05] | stuarta: | spent 5m going wtf won't any recordings show up |
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| [21:24:01] | wagnerrp: | stuarta: i thought it did |
| [21:24:03] | xris: | wagnerrp: you have any experience with stackless python? |
| [21:24:15] | wagnerrp: | none at all |
| [21:24:32] | stuarta: | wagnerrp: what? an OSD message to say your protocol is different? |
| [21:24:41] | wagnerrp: | yeah, it used to |
| [21:24:42] | xris: | been researching python lately... seems pretty obvious that GIL is the reason our trac doesn't work with git |
| [21:24:45] | wagnerrp: | i know ive seen one before |
| [21:24:52] | stuarta: | this is on 0.24-fixes tho |
| [21:25:05] | wagnerrp: | xris: i dont follow |
| [21:25:17] | sphery: | stuarta: Pretty sure there hasn't been a protocol version change in 0.24-fixes. Perhaps you forgot to do a checkout fixes/0.24 before compiling and accidentally installed master? |
| [21:25:22] | wagnerrp: | is the git stuff getting caught in a loop somewhere |
| [21:25:24] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [21:25:48] | wagnerrp: | because any mutex lock should release the gil for another threads |
| [21:26:00] | stuarta: | sphery: 99% certain that isn't the case |
| [21:26:56] | xris: | browsing the code file list is slow. and if only one python thread can run on the system at a time, then more than one user tries to load files it's impossibly slow |
| [21:27:32] | xris: | or even if you try to expand multiple folders in the code view (vs browsing down into one of them) |
| [21:28:14] | wagnerrp: | xris: depending on how trac is written, we may be able to use the 'multiprocessing' object in place of the threading one |
| [21:28:16] | xris: | hmm. stupid alsa put my /etc/asound.conf file back.. mythtv instantly loses sound. that's annoying. |
| [21:28:31] | wagnerrp: | fork off multiple instances that each have their own GIL |
| [21:28:51] | xris: | wagnerrp: yeah, I'm trying to find some help about getting trac running SMP. or stackless, or whatever. |
| [21:28:56] | xris: | granted, I know next to nothing about python. |
| [21:29:51] | wagnerrp: | basically, any python code should be limited by the gil, but any cython or C code can release the gil during its own internal routines |
| [21:30:03] | wagnerrp: | usually anything intensive gets written in cython for exactly that reason |
| [21:30:14] | stuarta: | hmmm, maybe there wasn't a protocol change |
| [21:30:26] | stuarta: | i probably should read the message a little better |
| [21:30:29] | wagnerrp: | so the assorted methods can go off and do their own thing, letting the rest of the python code continue around it |
| [21:31:13] | stuarta: | no response to the protocol version query |
| [21:31:41] | wagnerrp: | thats some known issue with the backend |
| [21:31:47] | wagnerrp: | known that it exists, not what causes it |
| [21:31:53] | wagnerrp: | the server just stops responding to queries |
| [21:32:10] | stuarta: | i didn't think that affected 0.24, only master? |
| [21:32:22] | wagnerrp: | ive seen it in a lot of people's 0.24 logs |
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| [21:59:21] | stuartm: | stuarta: protocol version hasn't changed in the 0.24 branch since Oct 17 |
| [21:59:53] | stuarta: | yeah the backend deadlocked |
| [22:00:05] | stuarta: | which i've not ever seen in 0.24-fixes |
| [22:00:18] | stuarta: | still did all it's recordings mind |
| [22:03:23] | stuartm: | I've experienced the backend no longer responding to connections before, several times in fact |
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| [22:03:58] | stuartm: | over a period of maybe 1–2 years at least |
| [22:04:41] | stuartm: | but it's sporadic and definitely not frequent |
| [22:05:58] | xris: | stuarta: might be related to the qthread cleanup? |
| [22:06:31] | stuartm: | xris: qthread porting is being done in master, stuarta is running 0.24 |
| [22:07:24] | xris: | oh, I knew that. :) |
| [22:07:26] | stuartm: | there are other lockups being experienced with trunk which seem related to the qthread conversion, but the lockup stuarta describes has been around for a lot longer |
| [22:10:04] | stuarta: | well i dumped all the threads so i can try and pull it apart when i'm feeling more in the mood |
| [22:14:01] | ** stuarta is currently cranky ** | |
| [22:20:32] | stuarta: | if anyone wants it they can have it |
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| [22:50:37] | ptriller: | Hoi, anyone here knows (in laymans terms) what DMS-CC is used for in DVB-C/T/S ? |
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| [22:51:49] | stuarta: | transferring data |
| [22:51:58] | ** stuarta goes to bed ** | |
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| [22:53:20] | ptriller: | stuarta, I figured.. but what kind of data ? video and audio data goes in the plain elementary stream, timing is in the PCR stream.. Meta info about the channels in the PID stream .. |
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| [23:09:34] | wagnerrp: | google seems to suggest its communication with the conditional access card |
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| [23:15:01] | ptriller: | sounds like something I better ignore, for sanities sake |
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