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| [00:58:40] | markk: | anyone have any idea why a one line change produced a diff that recreated the entire file? something I need to look into/watch out for or just some random diff quirk? http://bit.ly/hgqzpD |
| [01:05:31] | danielk22: | EOL changes perhaps (checked out on UNIX, edited on Windows, or vice-versa) ? |
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| [01:11:22] | markk: | all UNIX I think – seems happy enough now though. |
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| [01:18:13] | jya: | is there a way in linux to cap a process to x% CPU usage? |
| [01:20:34] | jya: | markk: change with end of lines maybe? |
| [01:21:38] | danielk22: | jya: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/cpu-usage-limiter-for-linux/ |
| [01:22:22] | jya: | danielk22: thanks ! |
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| [01:53:38] | markk: | Beirdo: do you have any plans re windows buildbot? |
| [01:54:24] | Beirdo: | I know kenni had a host for us, but I was basically waiting until Lawrence's scripts were ready |
| [01:54:54] | Beirdo: | I'd like to run both a native and a cross-compiling slave if possible |
| [01:56:39] | Beirdo: | wonder how long it takes and how many times I have to wash my hands before teh silicone smell is off my hands. |
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| [02:11:51] | markk: | Beirdo: native host from kenni? |
| [02:12:15] | Beirdo: | I think that's what he said he had |
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| [05:44:07] | okolsi: | Beirdo: seeing backend instability since the thread conversions, might be related to the CI issue someone reported in Trac |
| [05:45:30] | Beirdo: | well, someone needs to give more information than "CI doesn't work" or there's not a thing I can do to try to debug :) |
| [05:46:28] | Beirdo: | as I said in the commit, it's one I can't test, so it's going to need someone who is having issues to give the debug info (logs, crash backtraces if any, and so on) |
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| [05:47:20] | okolsi: | Beirdo: I'm trying.. just doing debug build right now. One crash produced this log, probably not very helpfull: http://pastebin.com/NgN418sW |
| [05:48:15] | Beirdo: | K. Yeah, if you can get me some debug stuff to work with, perfect |
| [05:48:32] | Beirdo: | another thing to try, since you are compiling from git... |
| [05:48:58] | Beirdo: | you can revert just that one commit (locally, of course), and see if the instability goes away |
| [05:49:05] | Beirdo: | if so, it's definitely that commit |
| [05:50:19] | Beirdo: | ahh, so it seems to be a thread shutdown issue? |
| [05:50:34] | Beirdo: | I can take a look for that. |
| [05:51:14] | okolsi: | Beirdo: I'm not sure what it is, I'll get back to you when I have more info |
| [05:51:44] | okolsi: | I'm running (against all the advice) Git in "production" so there's an intrest to get it stabile again :) |
| [05:52:44] | Beirdo: | I do that too :) |
| [05:53:13] | Beirdo: | by all means, if you get something more solid to track down, I'm happy to take a look and see if we can make it better |
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| [06:09:50] | okolsi: | Beirdo: already got bt.. just a sec |
| [06:12:36] | okolsi: | Beirdo: http://pastebin.com/HBN1BUAT |
| [06:13:00] | Beirdo: | one moment |
| [06:14:26] | Beirdo: | got log messages for the crash? |
| [06:18:13] | Beirdo: | preferrably with -v dvbcam |
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| [06:20:50] | okolsi: | have logs with only -v record: http://pastebin.com/sf6x5wHt |
| [06:21:03] | okolsi: | need to add dvbcam for further logs |
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| [06:25:51] | okolsi: | Beirdo: can't do much more right now, need to work.. |
| [06:26:15] | Beirdo: | OK. |
| [06:26:23] | Beirdo: | I have a patch to try |
| [06:26:31] | Beirdo: | http://www.beirdo.ca/~gjhurlbu/test/test.patch |
| [06:26:39] | Beirdo: | I'm gonna keep looking though. |
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| [15:36:56] | danielk22: | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/03/07/1337211/Nokia-Sells-Qt |
| [15:43:23] | danielk22: | As with many Slashdot stories, not really true. They are selling the commercial licensing function, much like in the Nokia<->SCO UNIX deal. |
| [15:45:13] | superm1: | well you do have to question how many employees they'll put into working on it still though if they aren't managing the only part that made them money from it |
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| [16:24:26] | stuartm: | even less since they decided to hop into bed with microsoft and virtually abandon in-house development |
| [16:31:19] | mrand: | Sounds like the MBA-school fad continues... outsource everything. |
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| [16:35:00] | ** stuarta finally realizes stuartm is talking about the phones ** | |
| [16:35:05] | stuarta: | and not Qt |
| [16:43:29] | stuartm: | yeah, since Nokia bought Qt to develop a new phone/etc operating system based on linux, but that was before they decided to go with Windows – officially they are still talking up development of a new system but since the switch to windows was partially a cost saving measure allowing them to cut their development teams ... |
| [16:45:11] | ** Captain_Murdoch waits for the call from some user to add a mythtv/external/Qt ** | |
| [16:46:35] | stuartm: | the deal with MS gives then 'special access' and input on the future development of Windows Phone ... i.e. it undermines Nokia's need for an OS of their own, they can get someone else to carry the development costs and still get what they want from it |
| [16:47:23] | ** wagnerrp files a ticket, mythtv now takes 10x longer to compile with internal qt ** | |
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| [19:43:24] | sphery: | No worries on Qt. :) KDE says they'll step up regardless of how much Nokia backs off. http://dot.kde.org/2011/03/03/qt-and-future-kde |
| [19:50:35] | ** Beirdo chuckles ** | |
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| [20:08:39] | yJspWR: | Hi, is there some kind people to help a mythtv n00b to make a working setup under Gentoo? (package emerged, db set up and working, stuck at mythtv-setup to fetch streams from free.fr) |
| [20:09:47] | yJspWR: | oops, sorry, just read topic :) |
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| [21:56:58] | dblain: | Does anyone know what the MythXML::GetFileList / GetFileLinks methods are used for? |
| [21:57:14] | dblain: | They return HTML and don't fit in with my new API Framework design. |
| [21:58:38] | dblain: | the three GetInternetXXX methods don't fit either. |
| [21:58:39] | dblain: | "GetInternetSearch" "GetInternetSources" "GetInternetContent" |
| [22:01:56] | kormoc: | likely mythnetvision? |
| [22:02:55] | dblain: | For now, I guess I'll just leave them as-is and not convert them over to my new approach. |
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| [22:12:17] | Captain_Murdoch: | dblain, you can nuke the GetFileList and GetFileLinks if you want. they're mine and when I put them in I think you said you'd rather them be implemented another way or elsewhere, so it's OK to get rid of them. I meant to get back to those but didn't get to unfortunately. |
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| [22:12:55] | Captain_Murdoch: | the others are for mythnetvision, so iamlindoro would have to answer for a solution for those. |
| [22:13:28] | dblain: | ok, thanks. I'm assuming GetFile is the same as GetRecording, but works with StorageGroups? |
| [22:13:46] | dblain: | Or does it allow retrieval of any file in the storagegroup? |
| [22:14:02] | Captain_Murdoch: | I think getfile is used elsewhere. I think it allows retrieving any file from any SG. |
| [22:14:37] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah, it takes a SG and a filename. |
| [22:14:38] | dblain: | That's what I though the name implied also, but it uses this: sgroup.FindRecordingFile(sFileName) |
| [22:14:59] | dblain: | which seems to imply recordings only? |
| [22:15:07] | Captain_Murdoch: | that's to find the full path to the filename. it takes just a filename and uses the SG code to find the fully qualified pathname. |
| [22:15:44] | dblain: | so, it really allows download of any file type? (I should look at the storage group code instead of asking, but I'm in the middle of my merge!) |
| [22:15:49] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah, I have a TODO to rename that SG method. and FindRecordingDir() as well. when I wrote SG's, I wasn't thinking ahead enough to picture them in use with videos, music, gallery, etc.. |
| [22:16:10] | Captain_Murdoch: | FindRecording*() just search the given SG's directories for hte given file. |
| [22:16:16] | dblain: | Thanks. I may ditch my GetRecording, and use the GetFile instead. |
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| [22:17:34] | dblain: | I'm grouping the methods into multiple services. Would you consider GetFile part of the media retrieval or standard myth helper methods (like GetSetting)? |
| [22:18:15] | Captain_Murdoch: | GetFile is probably simpler, but I"m not sure where GetRecording is being used at. I don't know which (if either) MythWeb uses. |
| [22:19:43] | dblain: | The changes I'm making are going to break most users of MythXml, so I'm looking to name/change things to make sense since it's going to break things anyway. |
| [22:19:43] | Captain_Murdoch: | I could probably argue either way. it can be used to retrieve things other than media though. but I don't see much use for that currently. so I'd probalby lean towards standard helper. |
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| [22:20:00] | dblain: | okay, thanks. |
| [22:20:51] | dblain: | I'm assuming the GetFile method should be able to get Video's and Music files as well? |
| [22:20:59] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah, any file in any SG. |
| [22:21:24] | dblain: | great. I can remove a few more methods then! ;) |
| [22:21:28] | Captain_Murdoch: | same group of files that are streamable via the myth proto. |
| [22:22:04] | Captain_Murdoch: | well, sorry, I take that back. music isn't yet converted to SG's, but I think that's coming. |
| [22:22:15] | dblain: | ok, good to know. |
| [22:22:37] | Captain_Murdoch: | MythVideo does support local storage, but i think that's frontend-only, all shared MythVideo files are in SG's. |
| [22:22:52] | Captain_Murdoch: | ie, all MV files on the backend are in SG's. |
| [22:23:34] | dblain: | It makes sense to have a single function to retrieve content from the backend. I'm leaning to use GetFile. |
| [22:24:08] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah, makes sense to me. that's part of why everything is moving to SG's. it makes streaming over mythproto easier as well. |
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| [22:24:43] | dblain: | I see that it error's if a storage group isn't supplied. Do you have any objections to default to "default" if not supplied? |
| [22:25:38] | Captain_Murdoch: | sounds good. we have talked about moving recordings to use a 'Recordings' group as default like MV uses 'Videos'. we'd keep 'Default' around as a fallback SG I beleive, so 'Default' sounds good as a default if it's not supplied. |
| [22:25:38] | ** dblain assumes the default SG name is "default" he'll have to confirm that. ** | |
| [22:25:55] | Captain_Murdoch: | 'Default' is the default SG for recordings. |
| [22:26:13] | Captain_Murdoch: | it's untranslated as well, so it's 'Default' for everyone. |
| [22:26:27] | dblain: | that's a plus :) |
| [22:26:42] | sphery: | we still need to rework those SG names, like you wanted... |
| [22:26:45] | Captain_Murdoch: | gets translated on viewing since it's a special group like LiveTV. |
| [22:27:37] | dblain: | I may expose helper methods that default to the correct storage group for the media type requested... I'll have to think about that. |
| [22:32:12] | iamlindoro: | dblain, The three methods allow the backend to advertise Internet Content sources (grabbers) available, perform searches, and return custom source-- they are responsible for allowing for configuration of MNV, searching in MNV, and allowing fullscreen, remote controlled playback respectively in MNV-- if they go away, so does MNV as it won't function without them |
| [22:33:15] | iamlindoro: | They made sense at the time of implementation because the content returned by MNV grabbers is XML, and allowed for proxying the searching to the backend without overcomplicating mythproto for something that didn't "fit" |
| [22:33:45] | dblain: | I won't remove them. But they don't fit the new model (since they return unknown strings of data). I'll just keep them in a separate HttpExtension which won't use the new API Framework. |
| [22:34:08] | iamlindoro: | dblain, ok-- if there's something I could do to make them fit the new framework I am happy to adapt |
| [22:35:20] | dblain: | thanks. Let me get the API framework committed, and then we can re-visit the design for these methods.. |
| [22:35:23] | iamlindoro: | but I don't 100% understand how the new framework works either :) |
| [22:35:49] | iamlindoro: | ok, will try to come up to speed and see if I can make it work better with what you've got going in |
| [22:36:19] | iamlindoro: | thanks for asking about them, though, I appreciate it :) |
| [22:37:04] | dblain: | :). In brief, we code as many standard C++ classes (methods only) with the only limitation being the data they return must be in dataonly class which implements Q_PROPERTY. |
| [22:37:34] | dblain: | All the other glue code to make it a web service and render XML, SOAP or JSON is handled by the framework code |
| [22:38:09] | dblain: | hopefully it will become clear once my code goes in. |
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| [22:39:00] | dblain: | only issue I have is I orginally wrote the code over a year ago, and am now trying to merge it all! :( |
| [23:07:08] | jya: | stuartm: that they go for Windows 7 doesn't mean they are killing in-house development. When HP moved from their own OS for their mobile device to Windows CE, most of the folks were kept. Plenty of drivers to write, custom applications. Even fiddling with the kernel for HP's own use |
| [23:09:39] | stuartm: | jya: I'm only repeating the media pundits analysis/reporting of events, I leave the speculation to those who are better informed than myself ;) |
| [23:10:15] | jya: | I can see plenty of work for moving their platforms to Windows 7... |
| [23:10:30] | jya: | They probably will share the kernel source code with Nokia too |
| [23:11:45] | stuartm: | according to the reports, Microsoft are requiring handset manufacturers to work from a fixed hardware list, in return MS will do all the development work with Nokia getting input on the direction of the development |
| [23:12:42] | stuartm: | but again, that's only what has been reported, only Nokia and MS know the fill extent of their deal |
| [23:13:06] | jya: | I got my first win 7 phone for a project yesterday. Was utterly disappointed that the only two languages you can use are VB and C# |
| [23:13:31] | stuartm: | no .net malarky? |
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| [23:13:58] | jya: | that means throwing away all our existing code. We have a C++ library with all the core functionality: on iPhone the UI was in obj-C with use of the lib, same on android (java UI, native lib) |
| [23:14:04] | jya: | no such joy in win 7 phone |
| [23:14:09] | jya: | oh, it's .net |
| [23:14:52] | jya: | you just can't link a C++ lib with C# under their dev kit. I read on how people are trying to hack so a C/C++ lib would interface with a C# code: but it isn't very successful so far |
| [23:15:13] | stuartm: | yeah, I mean I thought that .net was supposed to be language independent where extensions had been written – what I know about Windows development could be written on the head of pin though |
| [23:16:47] | jya: | yes, .net is a bit like java, you get a VM and a p-code like opcode |
| [23:17:14] | jya: | their slang is something along the line: every 10 years an developer have to re-invent themselves |
| [23:17:23] | jya: | in the 90s it was C, in the 2000s it was C++ |
| [23:17:26] | jya: | now it's C# |
| [23:17:35] | stuartm: | no great surprise that MS would be excluding languages other than their own, that's always been their MO and no matter how much they insist that they've changed it will probably always be that way |
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