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| [00:16:58] | sphery: | /tb |
| [00:31:22] | dblain: | finally! Running/debugging mythbackend compiled with VS2010. |
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| [14:13:06] | danielk22: | Beirdo: I'm just amazed at the number of threads in the app as you convert them ;] |
| [14:13:54] | danielk22: | I wouldn't be surprised if the had the most threaded real world Qt app in existence. |
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| [15:48:10] | wagnerrp: | danielk22: clearly you werent reading the -users list when someone was complaining about the 40+ threads, and how his computer simply wasnt capable of handling that many |
| [15:48:30] | wagnerrp: | someone had added some additional threads, and that was simply unacceptable |
| [15:50:26] | danielk22: | hehe, I'm sure someone mentioned that Linux can handle 100's of 1000's of idle threads... |
| [15:53:42] | wagnerrp: | yeah, he was pretty quickly mocked off the list |
| [15:56:25] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /299605.html |
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| [15:56:55] | wagnerrp: | actually, seems you did comment on that one |
| [15:57:33] | danielk22: | My memory for individual mailing list debates fades fast ;] |
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| [17:13:40] | stuartm: | sphery: to add to what iamlindoro said, any time the user talks about being logged out etc then it's not a MythTV bug, but as in this case an X crash |
| [17:14:49] | stuartm: | and no, if MythTV 'makes' X crash, it's still not a MythTV bug |
| [17:17:51] | superm1: | there were a lot of reports of that caused by attempting to use xvmc when the card didn't support (at least in ubuntu) |
| [17:18:28] | stuarta: | you could argue that using an unsupported extension is an application bug |
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| [17:19:04] | superm1: | a moot point though as xvmc is dead 0.25 and later anyway |
| [17:19:06] | danielk22: | superm1: in that case it's a driver bug.. but that doesn't mean a mythtv bug couldn't trigger some other bug, that does happen, esp with video playback. |
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| [17:24:19] | stuartm: | stuarta: yes and no, yes trying to use an unsupported extension is an app bug but no any resulting crash in X is most definitely an X bug, it's quite likely that MythTV would gracefully fallback if X returned errors but it never has that chance if X crashes because it fails to validate input and handle something that it wasn't expecting |
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| [17:25:18] | stuarta: | indeed |
| [17:31:25] | sphery: | stuartm: Well, his pasted messages show a segfault in mythfrontend.re[2336], so all that happened was mythfrontend crashed and since he (or Ubuntu?) has X waiting on mythfrontend, when mythfrontend "finished", X exited. That said, if it's the XvMC thing, it's not worth investigating--I just couldn't tell that it was XvMC since I didn't have any backtrace (only a mention of mythfrontend crashing somewhere in libc calls). |
| [17:32:07] | superm1: | do you know what build he was running? we're explicitly turning off xvmc on all the autobuilds |
| [17:32:17] | sphery: | it was a very old one, pre-git |
| [17:32:20] | iamlindoro: | It was an old SVN-era build of .23.1 |
| [17:32:24] | superm1: | so the only way he could have xvmc would have been if he was using the one in the archive before we started doing that |
| [17:32:26] | superm1: | ah okay |
| [17:32:28] | stuartm: | ubuntu doesn't kill X if the frontend exits, so that must be something he configured |
| [17:32:30] | sphery: | 0.23.1+fixes26437–0ubuntu1 |
| [17:33:41] | stuartm: | but mythfrontend would be terminated abruptly if X crashed, giving the appearance in a backtrace of the frontend crashing |
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| [17:34:56] | sphery: | stuartm: Ah, yeah, I don't know how they configure X. I have mine set to wait on mythfrontend, because then when mythfrontend exits (or crashes), X exits, then my login script restarts X, which restart mythfrontend. And, yeah, could have been a segfault in a dying mythfrontend after X crashed. But, without a backtrace, I had no idea what was happening (which was the reason I asked for a backtrace :). |
| [17:34:58] | wagnerrp: | superm1: for what its worth, a lot of us considered XvMC dead years ago |
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| [17:37:52] | stuartm: | XvMC was unnecessary even back when I built my first MythTV box (6 years ago) and I expressly bought the cheapest hardware available at the time for the purpose |
| [17:40:25] | stuartm: | even when I experimented with XvMC, the downsides such as the monochrome OSD etc greatly outweighed the tiny drop in CPU usage |
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| [17:41:02] | stuartm: | plus the machine was dedicated to being a MythTV box, so a small drop in CPU usage really didn't mean much |
| [17:47:51] | jams: | stuarta- agreed! i spent about a week with xvmc and it just wasn't worth it. I don't know why ppl love it so. |
| [17:48:18] | stuarta: | it appeals to a certain crowd who source their content in a different way to mythtv users |
| [17:48:47] | wagnerrp: | stuarta: XvMC, not XBMC |
| [17:48:59] | jams: | dang it..stupid xchat |
| [17:49:00] | stuarta: | oh well :) |
| [17:49:06] | jams: | that was for stuartm |
| [17:49:07] | wagnerrp: | the very limited hardware acceleration that only does MPEG2, and doesnt do it well |
| [17:49:17] | stuarta: | aye, my prod frontend has it |
| [17:50:42] | wagnerrp: | jams: what would you say to a rework of smolt.py, that moves all data into an ordered dictionary, rather than storing it in static attributes |
| [17:51:00] | wagnerrp: | something to make it easier to add new data to it |
| [17:51:18] | wagnerrp: | (i really dont want to go around adding individual functions for each individual data point pulled out of mythtv) |
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| [19:12:10] | danielk22: | sphery, do you recall the approximate date of the lib reorg, I'm trying to merge in changes from master into the recording tree but that change appears to completely flumox git.. so I need to cherry-pick up to some point before then first.. |
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| [19:30:34] | jams: | wagnerrp- i could see how that makes things easier. Are you talking about doing that for all the data or just the mythdata? Server side it doesn't make a whole lot of difference because you still have todo the data->db mapping. |
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| [19:31:37] | danielk22: | sphery: nevermind.. doing a diff of the two trees and manually merging looks a lot more doable than a fooling with git. |
| [19:32:22] | jams: | also if you have an idea on what some of the key names are I can start work on smoon. |
| [19:33:22] | wagnerrp: | jams: im talking about all data |
| [19:33:42] | wagnerrp: | so instead of having to record what data you have, you would just iterate through the dictionary of data |
| [19:33:52] | wagnerrp: | and whatever is in there, you send to the server |
| [19:35:07] | wagnerrp: | eventually, it could be made more modular, and just have smolt.py run any scripts contained in some directory |
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| [19:41:23] | jams: | that would only require minor mods server side. Any unkown data would would still be thrown out. |
| [19:41:54] | jams: | i like the idea, but it's a big enough change wwoods should weigh in |
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| [20:58:19] | danielk22: | Beirdo: calling start() and then immediately calling isRunning() to check if it running is a race.. |
| [20:59:22] | danielk22: | AFAIK start() is under no obligation to report true on that.. I may be wrong.. But it's not the assumption I've been working under... |
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| [22:01:10] | dblain: | That should be the last of the major changes to the MythTv source for compiling using Visual Stuidos. If anyone has issues with my changes, let me know. |
| [22:02:03] | Beirdo: | danielk22: from the docs, it seems to be kosher, but I'll read it over again to be sure. start() is not supposed to return until the thread is started |
| [22:02:27] | Beirdo: | so if the thread didn't start, isRunning() should be false. |
| [22:02:42] | Beirdo: | at least that was how I read it, but I'll go over it again. |
| [22:02:52] | Captain_Murdoch: | by that definition, if the thread didn't start, then start() didn't return. |
| [22:03:24] | Beirdo: | well, if the thread doesn't start, it would cause an exception that start() catches or soemthing |
| [22:03:41] | Beirdo: | anyways, I have to get home, I'll be back here in a bit |
| [22:04:07] | Captain_Murdoch: | so start() can return without the thread being started. :) /me hasn't even looked at the code but figured he'd stick his nose in before he went AFK. :) |
| [22:04:19] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:04:20] | Captain_Murdoch: | nice work BTW. |
| [22:04:34] | Beirdo: | I'm sorry, just a bit rushed or I'd explain it better. :) |
| [22:08:22] | iamlindoro: | dblain: Buildbot not happy with your changes, http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . e/logs/stdio |
| [22:08:39] | dblain: | looking at it now. |
| [22:09:02] | iamlindoro: | dblain: I expressd some concerns on -dev about the changes to libmythdvdnav, mark and I did a ton of work in the fall to bring us closer to upstream, now it's spun off in the other direction again, makes resyncing a big pain |
| [22:09:49] | iamlindoro: | And since I've done the past couple (mostly minor) resyncs, it takes the wind out of my sails to do it again with a bunch more local changes, especially for MSVC :) |
| [22:10:36] | iamlindoro: | dblain: Looks like you can ignore, seems the next compile succeeded AFAICT |
| [22:10:39] | dblain: | I can revert the change. I didn't realize it was a third party lib. |
| [22:10:46] | iamlindoro: | which presumes I'm reading the buildbot output right |
| [22:11:00] | iamlindoro: | dblain: yeah, libdvdnav and libdvdread are mplayer projects, we just periodically resync |
| [22:11:35] | iamlindoro: | we have to keep a local copy because of a couple small modifications for our player, and a couple to allow remote playback |
| [22:11:45] | dblain: | We might want to think about moving them to the external directory so it's more obvious that they are sync'd from upstream. |
| [22:11:46] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: you're reading it right, the follow-up commit fixed the compile |
| [22:12:06] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: OK, cool, sorry for the false alarm then |
| [22:12:18] | iamlindoro: | dblain: Tougher on those ones since they have deps on mythtv libs |
| [22:12:28] | iamlindoro: | they require libmythbase for the remotefile stuff |
| [22:12:28] | dblain: | true. |
| [22:12:56] | iamlindoro: | Though I do agree with the idea, if I could come up with a way to make it work :) |
| [22:13:37] | dblain: | All I know is that its been an eye opener doing this port. |
| [22:13:57] | iamlindoro: | I imagine! Touched lots and lots of very diverse code |
| [22:14:04] | dblain: | There's a lot of changes to clean thing up that I wish I had time to do. |
| [22:14:41] | dblain: | hopefully my changes won't create too many waves. :-/ |
| [22:15:40] | dblain: | I'll revert the libmythdvdnav changes for now (I don't plan on using the DVD support in the short term, it was just a dependency to the libs mythbackend uses) |
| [22:15:50] | iamlindoro: | heh, outrage is usually inversely proportional to functionality :) |
| [22:16:12] | iamlindoro: | dblain: Thanks-- hopefully we can come up with a long term solution that works across the board |
| [22:16:34] | ** dblain goes and reads how to use git revert ** | |
| [22:17:05] | stuartm: | git revert sha1 |
| [22:17:34] | dblain: | I'm assuming it applies locally and I need to commit and push once I test the reverted code? |
| [22:17:35] | iamlindoro: | --killpuppies |
| [22:17:41] | dblain: | :) |
| [22:18:04] | danielk22: | Beirdo: On my reading of the 4.7 docs there is no guarantee of that. I haven't looked at the code itself to see if the implementation uses some kind of hidden semaphore and conditional triggered by a run() thunk to assure that. But I'd expect them to document it explicitly if they did. |
| [22:18:16] | iamlindoro: | That seems to be the MO of git in general, so I'll bet you're right |
| [22:18:30] | iamlindoro: | (the need to push thing... probably not commit if I had to guess) |
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| [22:18:57] | stuartm: | dblain: iirc it will commit automatically with a message along the lines of "Revert commit {blah}", so you just need to push |
| [22:19:10] | sphery: | dblain: also, might be worth submitting those changes upstream (then we can pull them in with a new sync)? |
| [22:19:12] | iamlindoro: | yeah, a revert is sort of like an inverse cherry-pick |
| [22:19:24] | ** iamlindoro feels dirty for knowing that ** | |
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| [22:19:28] | stuartm: | you still might need the --killpuppies arg |
| [22:19:35] | dblain: | thanks. |
| [22:21:46] | dblain: | That was painless. |
| [22:22:16] | ** dblain hopes he didn't speak too soon! ** | |
| [22:26:13] | iamlindoro: | dblain: You actually get the Stuart Morgan Award for not introducing any new warnings with so many code changes ;) |
| [22:26:58] | dblain: | :) |
| [22:27:20] | dblain: | Now if it only compiles clean! |
| [22:27:22] | MythBuild: | build #597 of master-linux-32bit is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://code.mythtv.org/buildbot/builders/mast . . . t/builds/597 |
| [22:27:29] | iamlindoro: | hah, what timing |
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| [22:28:39] | dblain: | On that note, I think I'll head home. I just need to clean up the package project and get it committed and I should be able to start merging the new API framework support. |
| [22:29:11] | dblain: | If anyone here can build on MingW, please let me know if I introduced any issues. |
| [22:32:28] | wagnerrp: | oh, we get reports now |
| [22:34:18] | iamlindoro: | heh, yeah, and apparently MinGW was broken by changes before yours |
| [22:34:20] | iamlindoro: | so get in line ;) |
| [22:38:17] | dblain: | I thought I was doing good with the first line of the commit message. I forgot to add the library they were for, so all the commit summaries are useless. I'll have to do better next time. |
| [22:50:15] | stuartm: | I've an award named after me now? Well I guess I shouldn't expect it to be anything fancy ... a couple of lollipop sticks glued to a bottle top and covered in tin foil most likely |
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| [23:45:40] | iamlindoro: | stuartm, you should be proud, I actually *looked* at the warnings to see if they went up... maybe your message is getting through :) |
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