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| [00:02:58] | dblain: | 07stuartm: 01regarding your question "does VS require the use of those directives, i.e. it won't export/import all by default, or are they just nice to have?" VS requires the directives in order to export symbols as well as import them. The only alternative I know of is manually creating a .def file and using an import .lib file... very old school and difficult to keep in sync. |
| [00:04:59] | dblain: | I don't understand the comments about having compiler specific crap in the code... if anything I'm removing it by using QT macros. And the only compiler specific stuff was the GCC logic which was there before. |
| [00:07:49] | markk: | but while I'm drinking the first coffee of the day – what we really need is to bite the bullet and use alpha pulse as a 'test bed' for a more feature rich UI. Make the alpha value part of a statetype, add some functionality about it moves from one state to the next etc. Then we start to get buttons fading in and out, use it on normal items for pulsing etc. Tie it into widget events (when you become visible, start in this state, do something, m |
| [00:07:50] | markk: | ove to this state). |
| [00:08:30] | markk: | if we can crack that for alpha, it's then easily extended to zoom, rotation, blur etc etc |
| [00:10:25] | sphery: | markk: heh, be careful or people will start to expect you to get that working :) (and, wow, that would be wonderful--but I understand why you may not want to take it on at this time) |
| [00:13:09] | danielk22: | dblain: Given that info, your solution sounds like the most elegant option. |
| [00:27:56] | dblain: | danielk22: thanks. I'll give it a day or two and see what happens on the mailing list. Not sure who can give the offical go ahead now-a-days. |
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| [00:39:11] | GreyFoxx: | dmesg |
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| [01:08:11] | elmojo: | sphery, iamlindoro: one thing that can be tried for people experiencing dvb problems on 10.10 is to compile the dvb drivers from the Mercurial repo – I think they are now quite old and aren't upto date with the drivers provided by the kernel |
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| [01:37:29] | elmojo: | Beirdo: have you had a chance to compare ffmpeg, mediainfo and commflag generated duration? |
| [01:37:37] | elmojo: | wondering how close they are to each other |
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| [01:39:28] | Beirdo: | not yet, nope |
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| [02:48:12] | danielk22: | sphery: Just reading up the mythtv recording reliability thread. Any HD-PVR problems introduced between 0.23 and 0.24 may be due to john poet's tuning changes, but any DVB or other issues are most like changes in the drivers that we have not yet adjusted for. |
| [02:50:25] | danielk22: | Some of the issues people are complaining about, such as sending NTSC/ATSC commands to an HD-PVR are 1 completely harmless and hence red-herrings and 2 fixed in the mythtv-rec branch. However, reliability with the mythtv-rec branch is quite low for DVB and HD-PVR recorders.. so I wouldn't recommend anyone switch at the moment :) |
| [02:50:48] | sphery: | danielk22: yeah, it seems to be happening frequently on newer distros (Ubuntu 10.10 and Fedora F14) and seems to hit everything from HD-PVR to HDHR to ivtv and even DVB-API cards. I'll admit I'm still running an old (and proven on my 0.23-fixes system) kernel with my 0.24-fixes, so newer drivers/changes to driver API (or behaviors) makes sense to me |
| [02:52:22] | sphery: | Heh, cool--I figured the SetInputAndFormat() stuff wasn't important--but didn't know the recorder well enough to make the assertion on list. If nothing else, when the fix from mythtv-rec goes in, it will be nice to quiet an unimportant message that scares users with other issues. |
| [02:55:33] | sphery: | danielk22: FWIW, though his suggestion may be a bit too course-grained, I don't know if this might trigger some ideas for you: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/472073#472073 (i.e. do we have some states we're not handling properly). |
| [02:56:02] | danielk22: | I don't think it's really Ubuntu or Fedora to blame, the V4L drivers have been getting more brain-dead..I've tried to adjust for that in the mythtv-rec branch. |
| [02:56:47] | sphery: | Yeah, the fact that it's happening across distros--and only newer distros--seems to point to changes in the V4L/DVB code upstream. |
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| [02:58:06] | sphery: | possibly related to the gossamer post up above, kisak in -users posted http://pastie.org/1554856 , which shows 6624_20110211210000.mpg not existing and shows an "Updating status for Supernatural:Unforgiven" but none for "Started recording: "CSI: NY":"Smooth Criminal"" |
| [02:58:35] | sphery: | at least none until the end, where it's set to recorded |
| [03:00:07] | danielk22: | What I'd like to do for HD-PVR is not suspend the recording when the signal monitor stops and then restart recording a couple seconds later; since it sometimes fails on that second try. For DVB I don't know what the problem is. |
| [03:00:50] | sphery: | I think kisak's CSI: NY failure was on his HDHR |
| [03:01:05] | danielk22: | There _are_ race conditions that were introduced in the Qt4 port that I only recently discovered. But those would be just as prevalent with 0.23 and 0.24. |
| [03:03:56] | danielk22: | sphery: HDHR is it's own ball of wax. But if that has problems & DVB has the same problems, it may be the same issue... |
| [03:05:57] | danielk22: | The last few HDHR lib patches we got from SiliconDust had a high bogosity level; I thought we would get a good sync before the 0.24 release, but AFAIK it didn't happen. |
| [03:05:59] | sphery: | then again, thinking about it, that might be the known HDHR issue where if you configure it with IP addresses instead of the auto-detect HDHR, the 2nd recording breaks the first (or something like that-- wagnerrp knows details) |
| [03:06:37] | danielk22: | sphery: That one was from one of the bad syncs. |
| [03:07:07] | danielk22: | I'm just using my HDHR as an IR detector right now, not as a recorder. |
| [03:07:28] | sphery: | yeah, we included the new lib before 0.24, and it returned... wagnerrp figured out that it was due to specifying IP instead of autodetecting |
| [03:07:30] | wagnerrp: | it happened with one of our syncs before 0.23, was reverted, and then reintroduced with their devs wrote an updated version |
| [03:07:39] | wagnerrp: | their own application works just fine |
| [03:07:47] | wagnerrp: | so its got to be some weird interaction with their libs and our code |
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| [03:09:55] | danielk22: | wagnerrp: They app allows specifying the recorder to use using the "ip_addr"-"rec_num" notation ? |
| [03:13:02] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [03:14:04] | wagnerrp: | i havent actually tried recording to a file, but at least checking the status properly polls the correct tuner |
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| [04:36:57] | elmojo: | jpabq: just backported some hdpvr driver changes and they make things much faster! |
| [04:38:00] | Beirdo: | elmojo: faster in what part? |
| [04:40:04] | elmojo: | starting LiveTV and channel changes so far – testing LiveTV transitions now |
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| [04:47:39] | jpabq-: | elmojo, backported from what kernel? Or, are they not included in a released kernel yet? |
| [04:47:56] | Beirdo: | well, that's cool to hear |
| [04:49:37] | elmojo: | jpabq-: I'm just going through the git commit log for the v4l-dvb repo and backporting to the v4l-dvb backport Hg repo |
| [04:50:22] | jpabq-: | Sounds tedious |
| [04:50:36] | elmojo: | it's only a few lines actually |
| [04:50:55] | elmojo: | removed some timeouts and reduced one timeout from 1.25s to 0.09 secs |
| [04:51:02] | elmojo: | which was in a loop :) |
| [04:51:18] | elmojo: | apparently making it work just like the windows driver |
| [04:51:42] | elmojo: | I can send you a patch if you are ever interested |
| [04:51:56] | jpabq-: | Does that impact how long it takes to "stop encoding"? |
| [04:52:13] | elmojo: | I think so yes |
| [04:52:24] | elmojo: | when draining the buffers |
| [04:52:34] | jpabq-: | Cool. |
| [04:53:18] | elmojo: | does anyone know of a working pastebin service? |
| [04:53:55] | cesman: | http://pastebin.com/ appears to be up and working |
| [04:53:58] | jpabq-: | I need to update my myth. Progress bar during playback is way off. |
| [04:55:28] | elmojo: | http://pastebin.com/3uDANJsX |
| [04:55:37] | markk: | can anyone remind me of the policy on dynamically loading libraries at runtime? I seem to remember it's discouraged. |
| [04:56:48] | cesman: | those are small changes! |
| [04:56:48] | jpabq-: | elmojo, got it. |
| [04:56:54] | cesman: | elmojo: thanks |
| [04:58:31] | elmojo: | jpabq-: still looks like transitions are slow though :( |
| [04:59:33] | jpabq-: | :( |
| [04:59:46] | elmojo: | jpabq: what kernel version are you running? |
| [05:00:09] | jpabq-: | 2.6.34.7–66.fc13 |
| [05:03:58] | elmojo: | jpabq-: progress bar is off in what way? is this with HD-PVR material? |
| [05:08:21] | elmojo: | markk: doesn't the bluray code do this for decryption? |
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| [05:12:03] | markk: | elmojo: yes, and dvd, but slightly different use case – i.e. one library loading another as needed/available. I am looking at the SSA/ASS subtitle patches – which depend on libass |
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| [05:52:37] | jpabq-: | elmojo, yes, HD-PVR stuff. I just upgraded to latest trunk hoping that would fix it, but it did not (although the shows in question where recorded over the last few days). The problem is only with some shows. With an hour long show, I can type in 30 and hit 'I' to jump to the middle, but the progress bar will only go to the 5 minute mark. I think it is actually playing back in the right place, though. Kinda odd. |
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| [14:33:11] | danielk22: | markk: I wanted to dynamically load video acceleration libraries some years ago and it was discouraged then, but that was because X.org was writing a wrapper for those libraries. The wrapper never really panned out though, until vdpau was available I always explicitly linked the nvidia libs and bypassed the broken x.org wrapper. |
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| [15:28:49] | elmojo: | jpabq-: I wonder if the duration is off or the actual display timestamp is wrong – did the position go past the 5 minute mark after it started playing? |
| [15:36:19] | jpabq-: | elmojo, you just caught me — I will sign in later, but quickly-- The progress bar shows the correct *total* show length, but the current position doesn't get much beyond the 5 minute mark, even when the show is near the end. If I edit the cutlist while watching the show, it's progress bar is correct. While editing, moving by frames and keyframes seems to work fine. |
| [15:36:34] | jpabq-: | Does not happen on every recording though. gotta go. |
| [15:37:09] | elmojo: | jpabq-: ok, we'll have to debug later then |
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| [17:12:57] | iamlindoro: | markk: Hmm, I just closed a ticket invalid, but does https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/5ec80 . . . 8047e2e08ea2 need backporting? |
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| [17:16:06] | iamlindoro: | n/m, found the backport |
| [17:16:11] | iamlindoro: | sorry for the noise |
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| [19:22:55] | sphery: | stuartm: Yesterday I mentioned to markk that I think we should just drop the animation rate in master, and then sort out any broken animations as they're identified. The reason is because users keep bringing it up. From yesterday: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/472059#472059 and from today: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/472104#472104 |
| [19:23:47] | sphery: | I dropped mine to 30 (versus 70) and it seems fine in Arclight--though the pulsing is much slower (about 3/7 speed :). I'm sure if we wanted it the same speed as before, we could just drop the animation steps. |
| [19:25:10] | sphery: | I just wanted to know if you (or anyone else) has any strong objections to changing the animation rate (since you, especially, have a couple of themes that may require fixing). If not, I'd really like to have someone, like danielk, come up with a good rate, and change it. Thanks. |
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| [20:52:11] | cityLights: | hi all |
| [20:52:49] | cityLights: | am I allowed to ask "how to run a full scan using dvb-c"? |
| [20:53:03] | cityLights: | I googled a program named w_scan |
| [20:53:11] | xris: | cityLights: please read the topic |
| [20:53:24] | cityLights: | o sorry wrong forum |
| [20:53:32] | xris: | :) |
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| [21:21:22] | sphery: | FWIW, on a release build of MythTV 0.24-fixes and no plugins (which don't use symvis), with symbol visibilty enabled: du -sk /usr/local/lib gives 30472 . With symbol visibility disabled, it gives 31232, so we're only saving 760kiB of DSO size. |
| [21:21:55] | ** sphery had some spare CPU time on his dev box so spent 5 mins setting up a couple of builds to compare ** | |
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| [21:29:09] | dblain: | For me, symbol visibility has nothing to do with size, and everything to do with cross platform support. |
| [21:31:03] | sphery: | I admit to not understanding Windows development, but it seemed that everything was working fine for Windows compilation before we made symbol visibility enabled by default. But, that may have been due to some shortcut with mingw or whatever and not building proper Windows binaries. |
| [21:31:49] | dblain: | it's because mingw uses GCC, while I'm trying to use Microsoft's compiler. |
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| [21:32:28] | dblain: | My change is small in what it does, (unfortunately it changes a lot of files) |
| [21:32:54] | dblain: | almost all of it is just renaming MPUBLIC to something else. |
| [21:33:41] | sphery: | Anyway, I like the Qt defines stuff and your solution for MS compiler seems clean enough--my only point is that symbol visibility isn't doing much for us now on GNU/Linux, so if the goal is symbol visibility, it doesn't seem worth the effort. If instead, it's the only way to allow compilation with MS's compiler, then there is a benefit. |
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| [21:44:21] | dblain: | I just created a branch: MPUBLIC_Changes... hope I did it correctly. |
| [21:50:44] | iamlindoro: | dblain, said so on the -developers, but nothing in that patch cries out for a branch to me given the nature of the changes, can't imagine why it would make any difference aside from as an advisory to those of us writing public functions/classes |
| [21:51:00] | iamlindoro: | I say commit it, but I guess we'll see what others think ;) |
| [21:54:54] | dblain: | I almost just committed it. However, with how everyone has been over the last few months, I figured I'd get slammed just because of the number of files changed, never mind the changes are mostly just a rename of a define. |
| [21:55:40] | iamlindoro: | better safe to ask than sorry I guess, but I'll bet you there would be an ok response if you said you just wanted to commit it-- if it's tested, and given what it is, I can't see why not |
| [21:56:04] | iamlindoro: | I'm not going to test a branch for a rename-- you're too smart for me to need to ;) |
| [21:57:46] | dblain: | :) thanks for the confidence... I'll leave it for today and merge it tomorrow if no one speaks up. (The fact that it's to fix a Microsoft compiler issue doesn't help my case in some eyes) |
| [21:58:04] | iamlindoro: | sounds like a solid plan |
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| [22:04:14] | stuartm: | !notify |
| [22:04:38] | stuartm: | !notice |
| [22:04:38] | MythLogBot: | This channel (#mythtv) is logged — http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/4 |
| [22:06:07] | stuartm: | dblain: just commit it, no branch required |
| [22:07:58] | Captain_Murdoch: | dblain, ditto what stuartm said. |
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| [22:12:26] | stuartm: | fwiw, if I'm at best ambivalent about the change it's not because I don't wish to see cross-platform support but because I personally don't see the need to support every compiler on every platform and we already have a working build with a windows compiler – I don't see many windows users even caring to compile from scratch, let alone having a preference for the compiler used |
| [22:14:41] | stuartm: | it's not a major issue, I'm not going to start an argument over it but I might grumble to myself over the aesthetically unappealing solution ;) |
| [22:18:41] | stuartm: | I'm already anticipating this being repeated when someone decides that we have to support compilation under clang |
| [22:19:17] | xris: | dblain: yeah, if you feel it's stable, master should be ok. I only recommended a branch because you seemed to want to give it a period of review by others. and a branch is easier than a tarball for that. |
| [22:20:44] | ** Beirdo clangs his head against a wall ** | |
| [22:21:37] | sphery: | dblain: I'm not against your changes. I only thought the purpose was simply to allow using symbol visibility with the MS compiler since you had phrased is as changes to mythexp.h/MPUBLIC (which we're currently only using for symbol visibility stuff). I've only been trying to say that symbol visibility, itself, doesn't seem worth adding extra code/complexity. If we get some other benefit from your changes, they're worthwhile. And, from what ... |
| [22:21:42] | sphery: | ... you've since said, it now sounds like you're only piggybacking on our symbol visibility defines to get some other capability that's required for MS compiler (and that just using --disable-symbol-visibility is unrelated). |
| [22:24:12] | stuartm: | sphery: it seems VS requires explicit symbol visibility to even compile the code |
| [22:24:31] | stuartm: | unlike GCC it won't export/import all symbols as a default |
| [22:25:15] | sphery: | ok, well, whichever it is, we're getting something beside symbol visibility from the changes--it's allowing compilation with MSVC |
| [22:27:51] | sphery: | in other words, symbol visibility for symbol visibility's sake is a poor goal, IMHO |
| [22:30:44] | Beirdo: | also, it seems that every file was checked in mode 755 |
| [22:30:48] | Beirdo: | that's not good :) |
| [22:30:57] | Beirdo: | easily fixed, though |
| [22:31:46] | Beirdo: | well almost every file |
| [22:31:59] | Beirdo: | .pro, .h should not be executables |
| [22:32:29] | Beirdo: | probably something fun that samba or the like did |
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| [22:47:59] | dblain: | Beirdo: didn't even look at the mode. I'll fix before merging. |
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| [22:48:50] | Beirdo: | K :) |
| [22:49:04] | Beirdo: | that's one heck of a merge :) |
| [22:49:17] | dblain: | I commited the branch from my ubuntu box, I'll have to see why they are all 755. |
| [22:49:35] | Beirdo: | glad you got it working. Did you see my comment about abstracting the *exp.h files some? |
| [22:49:44] | Beirdo: | something we can look into in the future, perhaps |
| [22:51:11] | dblain: | Not sure it will work since headers from multiple libraries get pulled into other libraries. (this is the main reason for the change) |
| [22:52:33] | dblain: | I was thinking of having libmythbase.h be included in each of the libraries mythXXXexp.h and only have the new define name in it, but it seemed closer to what was existing to do it the way I did. |
| [22:53:12] | dblain: | Should I just delete the branch, and do a new commit in master? |
| [22:53:50] | dblain: | Doesn't look like any other commits have been pushed. |
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| [23:02:58] | Beirdo: | sure, that would likely work fine. Preferrably with fixed perms, of course :) |
| [23:02:59] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [23:03:05] | dblain: | :) |
| [23:03:24] | Beirdo: | or just leave the branch and commit to master, we can always clean it up later |
| [23:05:30] | dblain: | deleted. |
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| [23:58:18] | dblain: | how often does the build bot run? |
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