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Friday, January 28th, 2011, 00:36 UTC
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[01:07:23] mianos: is there a normal way to clear all the video library metadata?
[01:10:58] wagnerrp: wrong channel, see topic
[01:11:38] mianos: oops yes sorry
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[05:49:00] darnell: where can i find some help with the mythtv setup
[05:49:09] darnell: why do i keep getting this no backend upnd
[05:49:15] darnell: makes no sense
[05:56:41] xris: darnell: asking in the correct channel is a good start
[05:56:46] xris: (i.e. not here)
[05:57:12] darnell: obviously i didn't continue .
[05:57:30] darnell: meaning i eventually read the topic and figured it out a&**hole
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[11:35:48] stuartm: iamlindoro: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9518
[11:37:37] stuartm: three possibilities – 1) he saw my commits and worked very fast 2) He hangs out in IRC and knew what we were proposing to do 3) He's pyschic
[11:38:08] stuartm: well I guess there's a fourth option – Pure coincidence
[11:42:52] stuartm: ok, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9518  – that one he definitely didn't just knock up
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[12:25:47] stuartm: if anyone identifies a _simple_ way to update all local branches (which track remotes) in one go then I'd love to hear it, I miss that ability from svn and it's really annoying to checkout and update every branch manually
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[12:37:35] stuarta: stuartm: i thought git pull --all did the trick
[12:38:29] stuartm: I thought it might, but it doesn't
[12:38:46] stuartm: it pulls all the remotes but only merges the current branch
[12:39:00] stuarta: it seems to do something more than a plain git pull, but not a complete update of all branches
[12:39:08] ** stuarta wonders if there's a fetch --all **
[12:39:22] stuartm: there is, that's what pull --all does
[12:39:30] stuartm: but there's no merge --all
[12:39:52] stuarta: so it never fast-forwards all branches...
[12:39:53] stuarta: okay
[12:41:57] ** stuarta doesn't remember svn having that feature tho... **
[12:42:41] stuartm: if you ran 'svn up' at the root it would update everything
[12:43:18] stuarta: ah i see what you mean
[12:43:48] stuarta: since in svn branches are only actually copies, whilst in git they are true branches
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[14:11:25] iamlindoro: stuartm, Heh, yeah-- looks like some/all of the patches already won't apply since they're against the old paths
[14:11:44] iamlindoro: We pretty much have to add Lawrence to committers-- nobody else can handle the volume of his patches ;)
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[15:28:44] stuartm: I'm thinking about re-designing the plugin interface to do away with the callbacks, instead each plugin would register a handler object that would launch screens but crucially also receive events and track state, it would be more flexible and much tidier
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[16:00:57] okolsi: someone should be some beers to Lawrence :D
[16:01:54] okolsi: Berido: I'll try later today your latest patches related to mythsystem crash
[16:02:16] okolsi: Beirdo: ^^^
[16:02:22] iamlindoro: We will just add his uniqueness to our collective
[16:02:29] iamlindoro: he will be... assimilated
[16:03:22] okolsi: huh.. can't spell anymore, maybe even buy some beers and not be some beers :)
[16:10:05] stuarta: the assimilation process seems to be defective
[16:10:11] stuarta: i detect individual thought
[16:12:24] stuartm: don't worry, that spirit will be crushed soon enough
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[16:53:40] stuartm: iamlindoro: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/830c5d7
[16:54:03] stuartm: that gets you media events in myththemedmenu, how you now use them is upto you ;)
[16:54:04] iamlindoro: nice!
[16:54:38] iamlindoro: Heh, I was actually mostly working with the media events in my MythVideo interface rewrite, but can/will still be looking at myththemedmenu too
[16:55:26] stuartm: ah, well where ever you use them, that's a template you can work from
[16:55:39] iamlindoro: That's awesome, thanks so much
[16:56:02] stuartm: I thought you wanted them in myththemedmenu to show/hide optical disc options and autoload metadata etc
[16:56:13] iamlindoro: I do
[16:56:18] iamlindoro: and still do :)
[16:56:48] iamlindoro: It was just easiest to work within the confines of unreleased code so that I couldn't step on any toes-- I do still intend the myththemedmenu changes too
[16:57:14] iamlindoro: Awesome work, will try to make it worth your effort ;)
[16:57:25] stuartm: that only delivers status events along with a device object you can query (be warned that it's a pointer to the original, I doubt it's thread safe so probably best to create a copy)
[16:57:50] stuartm: you'd still need to query the media monitor for disc status when first creating a screen
[16:58:27] iamlindoro: noted
[16:58:58] stuartm: i.e. updates only
[16:59:06] iamlindoro: right
[17:00:53] stuartm: when I get time I'll work on the thread safety, for now I'm working with what was already there
[17:03:21] stuartm: should be possible to make good use of this in mythmusic and mythgallery, I look forward to that
[17:04:42] j-rod: iamlindoro: goofy question for ya...
[17:05:35] j-rod: don't suppose you have pix of your hdpvr internals that show plainly what frequency a crystal oscillator near the z8 chip operates at?
[17:05:47] iamlindoro: Let me see what I have
[17:06:39] j-rod: iamlindoro: its actually andy walls (awalls) after the info, so I should have asked on #linuxtv… feel free to reply over there if you like
[17:07:04] iamlindoro: j-rod: Where on the board is the chip? I'm looking at what I have right now
[17:07:26] j-rod: good question. not sure, never opened mine :)
[17:07:43] iamlindoro: http://www.mythtv.org/w/images/9/90/HDPVR-Mount-7.jpg
[17:08:01] iamlindoro: http://www.mythtv.org/w/images/6/61/HDPVR-Mount-9.JPG
[17:08:11] iamlindoro: http://www.mythtv.org/w/images/6/64/HDPVR-Mount-10.JPG
[17:08:16] j-rod: ah, its right there near your thumb in the first shot
[17:08:34] j-rod: just under the 'hi' in Dolphin
[17:08:34] iamlindoro: 18.432
[17:09:18] j-rod: indeed. perfect, thanks much!
[17:09:22] iamlindoro: np
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[17:40:00] stuartm: "I found a way to force my Philips lcd tv work at 50HZ" << where do people get these stupid ideas from?
[17:55:43] wagnerrp: why would you have to force anything? what are you doing buying a TV that doesnt want to do 50Hz operation in a PAL country?
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[18:20:47] stuartm: few TVs do 50Hz, but then they have image processing etc to adjust, forcing doesn't do anything good since it's not the native rate of the panel
[18:22:18] stuartm: a heads-up, the udf stuff requires libcdio-dev(el) packages, we check in configure but there is no output indicating that libudf is recommended and it will quietly fall back to using mount/pmount
[18:22:52] stuartm: superm1, tgm4883, j-rod, stuarta ^^
[18:23:21] mrand: Thanks stuartm. I was about to forward that to them
[18:23:39] stuartm: stuarta: sorry, you got caught up in the sweep there, trying to remember who is responsible for the packaging on various platforms/distros
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[18:24:54] j-rod: stuartm: danke
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[18:28:05] stuartm: I may modify configure to be more verbose on this since we're going to want most people to be using libudf
[18:32:27] stuartm: the mount/statistical approach is unreliable, although unless my tests are flawed, it seems faster which isn't good
[18:34:47] stuartm: ah, no, the delays are elsewhere in the code
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[19:47:56] Beirdo: okolsi: good to hear.
[19:51:07] Beirdo: OMG, Lawrence is a busy beaver :)
[19:52:34] iamlindoro: stuartm: #9520 would be another nice one to get committed-- Could use a similar approach to let the mediamonitor inject removable content into mythvideo once the local settings go away
[19:53:03] iamlindoro: ie permanent content we enforce as a member of a storage group, but still allow for plugging in a USB drive, flash disk, camera, etc.
[19:53:13] hashbang: evening all
[19:54:36] iamlindoro: #9519 would be nice too, of course
[19:59:40] stuartm: iamlindoro: I'll try to look at them all as time permits
[20:00:12] iamlindoro: yeah, no pressure
[20:00:12] stuartm: I committed the udf one now since it should improve dvd/bd detection and that's directly related to the stuff I just added
[20:00:19] iamlindoro: or we just get Lawrence to commit them
[20:00:22] iamlindoro: ;)
[20:00:23] stuartm: plus it was tiny and contained
[20:00:27] iamlindoro: Mark was going to talk to him
[20:01:02] Beirdo: yeah. we should likely give them a once-over where they hit "our" code of course, but I'm all for that :)
[20:01:19] iamlindoro: yeah, I think setting a limitation that he confer with maintainers is reasonable
[20:01:23] iamlindoro: (as we would all do the same)
[20:01:39] iamlindoro: So more or less, ask that he respect the same approach we would all use
[20:01:44] iamlindoro: Which works for me
[20:01:45] Beirdo: agreed. We sometimes do play a bit too loose on that account.
[20:02:13] Beirdo: (myself included, of course)
[20:03:06] stuartm: something in one of those patches caught my eye, I was going to look at it more carefully, since I've taken interest in the media monitor it would be good to make sure we're on the same page
[20:03:17] Beirdo: oh, that reminds me... it sounds like almost time to rip out the UPnP video scanner, no?
[20:04:55] Beirdo: on the gallery side, I've assumed some ownership of that code, but if you wanna muck around with it, feel free, especially for the borked media detection part :)
[20:05:02] iamlindoro: I think it needs to wait until the video scanner doesn't just dump any record it can't find
[20:05:07] Beirdo: K
[20:05:17] Beirdo: we are getting closer though, I guess
[20:05:22] iamlindoro: The idea is to get to a point where a video is marked as missing, and require user intervention to actually remove it
[20:05:39] Beirdo: ah, that would certainly make fewer people miffed
[20:05:44] iamlindoro: as if we run it periodically in the BE now and a drive goes offline or something, someone could come back to MythVideo and get pretty pissed
[20:05:57] Beirdo: gotcha
[20:06:09] iamlindoro: That said, you COULD just remove the scan entirely
[20:06:14] iamlindoro: and use videometadata
[20:06:22] Beirdo: I think that was the first step
[20:06:25] iamlindoro: and just require that people scan in mythvideo to add new content in the short term
[20:06:33] stuartm: I am thinking that parts of the media monitor, especially the way it communicates with plugins needs a re-write, I dislike the callback and handler stuff, it's too heavy-handed and clumsy
[20:06:34] Beirdo: right.
[20:07:23] iamlindoro: Beirdo: That way at least they know what they're getting in to, and we can say, "well hey buddy, you scanned."
[20:07:28] Beirdo: OK, I'll try to take a look at ripping out the upnp scanner soon, using videometadata should work well
[20:07:40] Beirdo: heh, true
[20:08:27] Beirdo: stuartm: yeah, it's likely do for an overhaul
[20:08:32] Beirdo: due rather
[20:08:40] Beirdo: OMG, I'm turning illiterate
[20:10:12] stuartm: nah, you're just developing the degenerative disease that I suffer from where your fingers type something different to what you're thinking ;)
[20:10:21] Beirdo: hehe
[20:10:28] Beirdo: Well, lunch time for me.
[20:12:41] hashbang: I'm just using megaupload to host a short (80MB!) sample that hopefully demonstrates http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5943
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[20:17:24] hashbang: arrgh!
[20:17:37] hashbang: maybe not...
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[22:32:56] j-rod: wagnerrp: want: http://www.kwikwai.com/store.php
[22:33:19] j-rod: much more complete looking than that other one
[22:33:24] j-rod: though also $$$
[22:38:55] j-rod is now known as j-rod|afk
[22:50:24] stuartm: iamlindoro: it might just be talk, but I still want to get rid of mythwelcome, the functionality could exist within the frontend
[23:01:06] sphery: stuartm: nice on the backend selection screen... does this mean we have a real mythui-capable UI by the time we do the DB upgrade (meaning we could put a please wait dialog in there or something)?
[23:02:01] stuartm: sphery: yeah, should be possible
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[23:04:37] sphery: nice--something we've been sorely lacking for a while, now
[23:04:55] sphery: (mainly because I was clueless on how to get it to the point it was possible)
[23:06:11] stuartm: it's been possible since I ported the language/locale selection screen, I made it possible to use mythui in a temporary window before we had db access
[23:13:17] stuartm: sphery: I've added it to the list
[23:14:44] sphery: stuartm: Wow, thanks... I wasn't trying to get you to take that task--was more just verifying it might be within my abilities to hack one up.
[23:18:49] stuartm: it's nothing difficult, but working without a database means there are a couple of differences to normal frontend screens – you have to use the aforementioned temporary window, you're limited to the default theme and you need to create an event loop
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[23:59:56] stuartm: sphery: if you decide that you want to give it a go I'll be more than happy to lend assistance

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