| Wednesday, January 26th, 2011, 00:38 UTC | ||
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| [00:43:21] | xris: | cool. MX set up for lists.mythtv.org so we can start testing mailing list migration. |
| [01:26:32] | knightr: | xris, any reason why a mx that points to the same server was defined? (since it's not actually necessary because if no MX is defined SMTP traffic is sent to the A record) Are we planning to have more than one MX for lists.mythtv.org? |
| [01:26:52] | ** knightr is just curious... ** | |
| [01:27:10] | ** knightr :) ** | |
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| [01:46:39] | clever: | knightr: i was under the impression that some servers refuse to send without an MX |
| [01:47:34] | knightr: | AFAIK that would be against the related RFCs... |
| [01:47:38] | xris: | knightr: because I suspect that without the separate MX, it would go to the one for the TLD |
| [01:47:49] | xris: | or some servers would |
| [01:47:56] | xris: | anyway, mostly "just in case" |
| [01:48:09] | xris: | ok. time to go hoem. |
| [01:48:11] | xris: | home, even. |
| [01:49:26] | knightr: | ok, np... I used to do DNS admin at work and I guess I still like talking about these things... :) Thanks! |
| [01:50:19] | knightr: | (and, btw, they would be against RFC if they sent it to mythtv.org (either MX or possibly A if we have one)) |
| [01:52:57] | knightr: | (both A for myhttv.org and MX point to the same IP anyway...) |
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| [02:02:56] | knightr: | clever, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MX_record#History_of_fallback_to_A |
| [02:03:17] | ** clever reads ** | |
| [02:05:43] | clever: | ah |
| [02:07:25] | knightr: | an MTA that didn't support this would shoot themselves in the foot... :) |
| [02:12:32] | clever: | yeah |
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| [03:05:53] | elmojo: | markk_: I've been digging some more and the LiveTV transition failures I'm seeing now are all backend related (probably were before too) |
| [03:06:54] | elmojo: | the new livetv file is created and growing but every read gives a bad file descriptor error – seems like maybe we aren't opening the file properly or something |
| [03:07:16] | markk_: | elmojo: is that with eagain diffs applied? |
| [03:07:51] | elmojo: | yes |
| [03:08:05] | elmojo: | but that shouldn't matter for the backend, right? |
| [03:10:10] | elmojo: | a wild guess would be we are somehow not opening the file properly if it's not created quickly enough – I don't know much about bad file descriptor errors |
| [03:10:22] | markk_: | elmojo: not sure:) |
| [03:10:45] | elmojo: | pretty sure the EAGAIN is for the frontend player |
| [03:10:46] | iamlindoro: | !seen danielk22 |
| [03:10:46] | MythLogBot: | danielk22 was last seen 10 days 10 hours 19 minutes 9 seconds ago |
| [03:12:50] | markk_: | elmojo: I think your right re mpegts.c – just not sure about the ringbuffer.cpp change |
| [03:14:22] | elmojo: | the ringbuffer.cpp is for the safe_read which is used by the player I believe |
| [03:17:03] | elmojo: | markk_: here is a pastebin of the errors -> http://pastebin.com/k3nNGeWZ |
| [03:21:36] | elmojo: | markk_: apparently the code thinks it has a valid file descriptor but it doesn't obviously |
| [03:21:54] | elmojo: | I'll add some debug code to dump the fd for the Open and the failing Seek calls |
| [03:40:20] | elmojo: | markk_: I think I know what's happening – looks like a race condition of when we open the new livetv recording and set the file descriptor and when we close the old recording file we set the file descriptor to -1 |
| [03:41:39] | elmojo: | so I'm seeing us open the new file successfully and set the file descripter (in my case fd2 = 61) and then when we start trying to seek and read from the file fd2 got set to -1 which I'm guessing was caused when we closed the old file |
| [03:49:09] | markk_: | elmojo: which class is that in? |
| [03:50:19] | elmojo: | libs/libmythtv/RingBuffer.cpp |
| [03:54:12] | elmojo: | I think I understand what is happening – it calls RingBuffer:OpenFile with a timeout – it opens the file until the timeout occurs and if not enough data has arrived in the timeout period it closed the file and sets the file descriptor to -1 |
| [03:54:42] | elmojo: | which is what I'm seeing – I'm pretty sure if I skip closing the file and setting the fd2 to -1 then it will work for me |
| [03:55:01] | markk_: | need bigger timeout .... |
| [03:55:06] | elmojo: | I think the HD-PVR must be a little slow |
| [03:55:19] | elmojo: | let me check what that is...... |
| [03:58:38] | elmojo: | it's set to ~ 2secs |
| [03:58:50] | elmojo: | sounds large enough but let's see |
| [03:59:58] | elmojo: | jpabq: is it reasonable to think that the HD-PVR would take more than 2 seconds to start filling a new file? |
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| [04:04:26] | elmojo: | markk_: at any rate this appears to be specific to the HD-PVR device – I believe your patch and Jiri's does fix real problems with the frontend handling transitions |
| [04:05:21] | elmojo: | in fact the new fixes does seem to fix transitions on one of my HD-PVR 720p stations but the 1080i I'm using for testing failed miserably |
| [04:09:14] | markk_: | elmojo: ok – thanks. so glad I don't own an hd-pvr :) |
| [04:09:53] | elmojo: | be glad you don't need an hd-pvr :) like we do here in the states |
| [04:14:30] | Beirdo: | okolsi: ping |
| [04:19:39] | elmojo: | markk_: seems to be working like a charm now (knock on wood) |
| [04:20:58] | elmojo: | interestingly if you look in RingBuffer.cpp you'll find kDefaultOpenTimeout set to 2000 msec and kLiveTVOpenTimeout set to 10000 msec |
| [04:21:28] | elmojo: | but it's using 2000 msec for transitions – the only place I see kLiveTVOpenTimeout is in tv_play.cpp |
| [04:28:57] | markk_: | elmojo: presumably that timeout needs changing in tv_rec ? |
| [04:29:52] | elmojo: | markk_: I'm not sure where the new RingBuffer is getting created for the next livetv transition.... it's presumably in tv_play |
| [04:30:35] | elmojo: | I think if you don't specify the timeout when creating a RingBuffer it uses the 2000 msec default |
| [04:31:11] | elmojo: | there are 2 instances of RingBuffer creation in tv_play that uses kLiveTVOpenTimeout |
| [04:34:29] | elmojo: | markk_: sorry I just realized you mentioned tv_rec not tv_play – sorry, it's past my bed time :) |
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| [09:16:57] | stuarta: | stuartm: re EIT, the only thing is see is we were talking about using xmltvid's to link up identical channels to feed them across eit, weren't we? |
| [09:19:00] | stuartm: | stuarta: last week we discussed automatically disabling EIT collection on channels which have an xmltvid defined |
| [09:22:55] | stuartm: | at least I thought it was last week, very recently at least |
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| [09:52:25] | stuarta: | xris: you don't need an MX record it's it's the same as the A record |
| [09:53:07] | ** stuarta finally catches up on scrollback ** | |
| [09:56:23] | stuarta: | stuartm: i must have missed that discussion |
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| [09:57:24] | stuartm: | huh, I could have sworn that you were participating |
| [09:57:36] | stuarta: | maybe, i have the memory of a goldfish |
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| [09:58:14] | stuartm: | I suppose you'll be telling me next that you've forgotten that ten quid you owe me? |
| [09:59:38] | stuarta: | hah! |
| [09:59:46] | stuarta: | :-p |
| [09:59:50] | stuartm: | ;) |
| [09:59:58] | stuarta: | it was worth a try |
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| [10:54:14] | h7251: | hello, are mythplugins (esp. mythweb) discussed here as well? |
| [10:55:23] | h7251: | or the development thereof (of course) |
| [11:08:12] | jamesba: | I've certainly discussed them here before |
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| [11:31:43] | h7251: | I'm wondering about mythweb /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/classes/Translate.php crashes b/c the modules_path is not set. i.e., the define in utils.php does not define the right/any value. |
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| [11:59:32] | stuartm: | kormoc: ^^ |
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| [12:01:38] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: the question is, do we treat media events like keypress/gesture events and only send them to the visible screens, or do we instead treat them like mythevents and send them to any registered listeners? |
| [12:02:49] | stuartm: | the former is subtly easier, the latter requires that anyone wanting to handle those events needs to explicitly register but means that non-ui classes or background screens can receive events |
| [12:03:44] | stuartm: | there's no pointer to the second option if no-one can imagine a use-case |
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| [13:10:14] | wagnerrp: | h7252: mythweb is not technically a plugin, nor is it even located in the 'mythplugins' folder any longer |
| [13:11:06] | wagnerrp: | further, the only time ive ever heard of users having that issue, its only a side effect of some more serious configuration problem |
| [13:11:48] | wagnerrp: | so any solution would just be to provide a more accurate error message where the initial failure occurred |
| [13:45:27] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: update – forget the previous, decided to combine both ideas as we'd otherwise need to break the mediamonitor out into it's own lib or move it into mythdb along with some other significant structural changes |
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| [14:35:23] | stuarta: | iamlindoro: these google tv for US based devs? |
| [14:36:09] | iamlindoro: | stuarta, Other Rob-- you want kormoc :) |
| [14:36:37] | stuarta: | heh doh! |
| [14:36:40] | stuarta: | kormoc: ^^^ |
| [14:36:50] | iamlindoro: | stuartm, cool, didn't expect you to be looking at it so soon-- I can adapt to either approach |
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| [14:41:40] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: just trying to see how I'm going to make it work and how much work is involved |
| [14:42:45] | stuartm: | currently weighing up doing it 'The Right Way'® vs doing it the easy way, leaning towards easy |
| [14:44:08] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: it has uses beyond what you're wanting to do, e.g. in mythmusic, mythgallery etc which is why I'm giving it my attention now :) |
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| [14:44:29] | iamlindoro: | yeah, there's a lot of places it could be of use |
| [14:44:53] | iamlindoro: | heck, could even selectgively remove/add the optical disc main menu items based on whether a disc was present/what type it was |
| [14:45:12] | stuarta: | shiny++ |
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| [14:51:15] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: or indeed whether there is even an optical media drive in the frontend |
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| [14:52:44] | stuartm: | there's no question that the mediamonitor/mediadevice stuff is an underused resource |
| [14:57:48] | kierank: | Is there any reasoning behind how often LATM UseSameStreamMux=yes is sent? |
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| [15:40:37] | elmojo: | markk_: so I'm noticing it takes anywhere from 2.5 – 8.1 secs for a new file to be created using an HD-PVR – the good news is that increasing the timeout on the backend and the socket timeout on the frontend works :) |
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| [15:59:06] | markk_: | elmojo: I'm heading to bed, but.... I can't help but think we're never going to get livetv working well if we have devices taking that long to tune/initialise/return data – especially if we're trying to start a new 'session' just to handle a program transition. |
| [16:03:04] | elmojo: | markk_: agreed, hopefully jpabq can take a look at this hd-pvr issue |
| [16:04:00] | elmojo: | I'm waiting on Jiri's magical patch he says he's going to post soon |
| [16:07:35] | j-rod: | stuartm: fyi, there's been some actual progress on the xorg <-> rc interaction issue... |
| [16:07:56] | j-rod: | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=671574 |
| [16:08:19] | j-rod: | mauro has been talking with peter hutterer and started writing evdev patches |
| [16:09:28] | j-rod: | its a bit of a hack, but a hack that actually works is better than another 4 years before we get proper support |
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| [16:25:36] | stuartm: | fantastic |
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| [17:12:36] | sphery: | h7252: I think you just need to update to current 0.24-fixes or unstable/development: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9224 + http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9255 |
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| [17:20:05] | kormoc: | stuarta, Yeah, even with a Canadian ip they block all service to the device |
| [17:24:13] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: Wow, *all* service? |
| [17:24:15] | iamlindoro: | that sucks |
| [17:24:24] | h7252: | wagnerrp: the error message in /var/log/apache2/error.log is: |
| [17:24:25] | h7252: | [error] [client 192.168.1.28] PHP Fatal error: Failed to open translation file: modules_path/_shared/lang/English.lang in /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/classes/Translate.php on line 172 |
| [17:24:49] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, you have to active the device and device activation requires a us ip. I don't know what would happen if you activated it here and then took it over the border |
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| [17:28:16] | wagnerrp: | h7252: still a user configuration error |
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| [17:30:57] | h7252: | the question then is why is there code that tries to define/infer/find modules_path if the user has to set it up anyways? |
| [17:32:32] | wagnerrp: | h7252: the code defines modules_path on its own, the user does not need to do anything |
| [17:33:25] | wagnerrp: | there is a configuration issue elsewhere, that results in that code not being run, that value not being defined, and thats just where the problem is visible |
| [17:33:27] | h7252: | so then the code does not work unless the user defines it, which is why I'm here. I'm trying to understand the situation and notify the correct ppl about it |
| [17:34:38] | h7252: | I insatlled the packackes from debian-multimedia and that was my experience |
| [17:36:01] | wagnerrp: | this is still a user configuration issue, and no a developmental issue, so it should be handled in the user support channel |
| [17:37:48] | h7252: | wagnerrp: thanks I'll try in #mythtv-users |
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| [19:08:31] | Beirdo: | okolsi: check #9421 when you have a chance |
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| [19:54:17] | stuartm: | just an FYI would could save hours of pain – 'git reset' won't revert a move correctly, instead it deletes the new file and doesn't restore the old file |
| [19:54:46] | stuartm: | i.e. wiping out all your changes |
| [19:55:10] | laga: | :/ |
| [19:56:01] | iamlindoro: | you just used it wrong, dummy |
| [19:56:53] | iamlindoro: | you forgot --esothericcommandlineswitch |
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| [21:09:45] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: what are we using libxml2 for? |
| [21:09:58] | iamlindoro: | it's a dependency of libbluray's metadata parsing |
| [21:10:06] | stuartm: | ok, thanks |
| [21:10:09] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [21:10:14] | iamlindoro: | It isn't required |
| [21:10:26] | iamlindoro: | libbluray will just return no metadata |
| [21:10:34] | iamlindoro: | but outside of that it's safe not to have it |
| [21:10:37] | stuartm: | probably read the commit message but it didn't sink in |
| [21:11:07] | stuarta: | so an interesting data point |
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| [21:11:19] | stuarta: | on my 0.24-fixes frontend |
| [21:11:23] | stuartm: | spiked my curiosity since QT does xml parsing, but obviously that doesn't help here |
| [21:11:39] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: Yeah, for some reason they didn't want to suck in Qt as a dep to the lib ;) |
| [21:11:46] | stuarta: | when it gets stuck doing "Waited 100ms for video buffers..." |
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| [21:11:53] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: understandable |
| [21:11:57] | stuarta: | shows 1 of the frontend threads in futex_wait |
| [21:12:20] | stuarta: | so i think we might have a bit of an issue with mutexes |
| [21:12:26] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: mildly annoying to be linking two XML parsers, but we can't do anything about it |
| [21:12:48] | iamlindoro: | yeah, I felt the same displeasure but all things considered it's a small annoyane |
| [21:12:51] | iamlindoro: | er annoyance |
| [21:13:22] | stuartm: | stuarta: I can repro a lockup with 0.25 and livetv, I just don't use livetv enough to care about debugging it |
| [21:13:40] | stuarta: | the is recording playback |
| [21:13:43] | stuarta: | this |
| [21:13:52] | stuarta: | its bloody annoying |
| [21:13:58] | stuarta: | since it worked with earlier version |
| [21:14:09] | stuarta: | 0.22 iirc |
| [21:14:21] | stuartm: | linux or osx? |
| [21:14:31] | stuarta: | linux |
| [21:14:54] | stuarta: | mainly bbc content |
| [21:15:04] | stuarta: | which is probably a bit higher bitrate |
| [21:15:11] | stuartm: | then that is interesting since I'm not aware of any other reports |
| [21:15:26] | stuartm: | local/remote – wired/wireless? |
| [21:15:36] | stuarta: | remote via nfs |
| [21:15:38] | stuarta: | wired |
| [21:16:23] | stuarta: | i think i'll test out the patch which is mentioned as "coming soon" on the mailing list today |
| [21:16:31] | stuarta: | when it turns up? |
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| [21:20:28] | ** stuarta heads out ** | |
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| [21:48:55] | stuartm: | does anyone know how well pull --rebase handles moved files in the incoming changes? |
| [21:49:13] | stuartm: | i.e. before I spectacularly destroy weeks of work? |
| [21:51:19] | elmojo: | I would backup your entire check out before trying that even if someone tells you it is fine |
| [21:53:38] | Captain_Murdoch: | ditto |
| [21:54:50] | sphery: | I keep unified diff patches as my backup for the same reason I use SQL-based DB backups. :) |
| [21:55:51] | elmojo: | sphery: what is your preferred command for generating a diff of all things committed plus uncommitted changes that haven't been pushed? |
| [21:55:53] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, yeah, but even those miss new files you haven't added/committed yet. |
| [21:56:52] | iamlindoro: | I've had git destry the path on a git stash/git pull/git stash pop, spectacularly, multiple times |
| [21:56:58] | iamlindoro: | er destroy the patch |
| [21:57:21] | stuartm: | I could avoid the --rebase but then my ability to test the changes is severely limited as I have to do a complete rebuild and hope that the db schema doesn't get incremented |
| [21:57:26] | sphery: | I'm still using quilt, so it's maintaining all my stuff for me. When I diff against the "official" repo, I do: git diff origin/master HEAD (or origin/fixes/0.24), but I think that only gets the committed stuff |
| [21:57:29] | iamlindoro: | So I've taken to just git diff > file, and rebuild from the ground up |
| [21:58:10] | elmojo: | sphery: that's cheating :) |
| [21:58:35] | stuartm: | I guess I could duplicate the branch and experiment |
| [21:58:36] | sphery: | heh, this is why I didn't feel a need to fight the VCS wars :) |
| [22:00:19] | elmojo: | stuartm: yes, it seems it's a common practice for people to maintain a pristine branch and then develop on a local branch and cherry-pick changes to the pristine branch for pushing/testing purposes |
| [22:02:15] | stuartm: | if all else fails I'll go old school, create a patch, revert to a clean tree, pull the changes then manually edit the paths in the patch before re-applying |
| [22:05:02] | stuartm: | well except the changes include binary files which can't be diff'd |
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| [22:18:03] | stuartm: | fwiw, this library rename push is going to include an origin/master merge commit, I really am not comfortable trying to rebase that one |
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| [23:03:45] | Beirdo: | stuartm: understandable :) |
| [23:07:27] | stuartm: | it's not nearly as bad as you might imagine, but it still involves moved files and a touches a lot more files, if only to correct comments which reference libmythdb |
| [23:07:52] | Beirdo: | yeah. Thanks for taking that on, BTW |
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| [23:17:15] | stuartm: | markk_, jannau, dblain: any objection to the rename? I'm only holding off to ensure that everyone has been given time to read the email and reply if necessary |
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| [23:19:45] | a1fa: | hey i had a kid beat on the keyboard of mythtv-frontend and now there are no recorded shows showing up |
| [23:19:50] | a1fa: | what could've he messed up? |
| [23:19:58] | a1fa: | even the movie database has been wiped out |
| [23:20:01] | a1fa: | all the files are there |
| [23:21:16] | sphery: | a1fa: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . ecordings.3F , pehaps? |
| [23:21:27] | sphery: | perhaps, even |
| [23:21:50] | sphery: | now a1fa wonders if I'm from Boston |
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| [23:23:58] | a1fa: | i'll try that |
| [23:24:06] | a1fa: | i gave my mythtv box away to friends with a small child |
| [23:24:09] | ** kormoc wonders if a1fa will move to the correct channel if it doesn't work ** | |
| [23:24:18] | a1fa: | er :) |
| [23:24:23] | a1fa: | yes |
| [23:24:25] | a1fa: | sorry |
| [23:24:30] | a1fa: | i forgot.. this is the dev channel |
| [23:24:43] | a1fa: | moved ;) thanks for the tip kormoc |
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| [23:40:42] | markk_: | stuartm: no objections from me |
| [23:52:35] | stuartm: | ok realistically everyone who is likely to have an outstanding patch touching that code has already spoken up, I know jannau is MIA and Daniel isn't doing anything atm |
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