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| [01:31:20] | xris: | I want to know how the heck I managed to magically merge all of mythtv and mythplugins into the packaging repo... ca5699b885db |
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| [01:42:58] | wagnerrp: | heh, sphery was complaining about that |
| [01:43:37] | sphery: | well, mentioning--I thought I was misunderstanding sub repositories or something |
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| [01:55:54] | xris: | no. but I have no idea how that stuff got added |
| [01:56:05] | xris: | those files shouldn't even have ever been in the packaging directory |
| [01:56:09] | xris: | and I don't use commit -a |
| [02:06:38] | xris: | j-rod|afk / superm1: poke. |
| [02:11:25] | sphery: | xris: I just remembered/realized that Nigel made a Use-Git branch of packaging for the MacOS build scripts. Would probably want to give him a heads up, too. |
| [02:12:27] | xris: | looks like he cut it before my mistake |
| [02:34:59] | jpabq: | elmojo, current trunk is a big improvement by itself, but does not quite match the smoothness that is achieved with Mark's patches. http://code.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket . . . unk-01.patch is required to achieve the full "smoothness" that I am used to with Mark's patches. |
| [02:36:01] | jpabq: | Current trunk without mythtv-smoothsync-extra-trunk-01.patch is fairly smooth, except it seems like every second or so a bunch of frames get skipped — the video seems to jerk forward. |
| [02:37:24] | jpabq: | This is most evident on progressive material. Interlaced material plays pretty well. |
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| [03:30:06] | xris: | sphery / kormoc / Beirdo / superm1: on packaging, please do: git reset --hard origin/master |
| [03:30:27] | xris: | with a git fetch first |
| [03:33:16] | sphery: | xris: Nice--worked great. Thanks. |
| [03:33:54] | Beirdo: | looks fine here |
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| [03:56:45] | xris: | kormoc: users who pulled the stuff should progress just fine... as long as they don't push. |
| [03:57:22] | kormoc: | if they send a pull request? |
| [03:57:47] | xris: | they they're developers and need to adhere to the developer rules of paying attention to the lists, or asking here, or noticing that their tree is out of date. |
| [03:58:06] | xris: | and up to us to reject the pull request if it comes with too much data. |
| [03:58:28] | kormoc: | I hardly think ebuild pull requests require full -dev following |
| [03:59:11] | xris: | still up to the dev who does the merge to make sure that it's a legit request without extra data |
| [04:00:46] | xris: | put it this way. if this was svn, you'd be stuck with the extra 150M of data. with git, we can correct it. |
| [04:01:03] | kormoc: | nope, can replace it upstream with a empty commit |
| [04:01:12] | xris: | which is exactly what I did with git |
| [04:01:19] | mrand: | Are all the git rules and suggestions documented for future generations on the wiki? for example, I see on the wiki it mentions --hard, but not origin/master |
| [04:01:48] | xris: | mrand: rarely have to reset to origin/master unless someone (like me) screws something up in a big way |
| [04:02:04] | mrand: | ah, ok. Misunderstood. |
| [04:02:07] | kormoc: | xris, but with svn, a svn up would pull it in correctly, no special stuff needed |
| [04:02:17] | xris: | kormoc: and a git pull should still work |
| [04:02:26] | xris: | or will tell you that something is wrong |
| [04:02:42] | xris: | if you're doing read-only, just fetch and then reset --hard origin/master |
| [04:02:53] | xris: | if you're doing a read-only packaging repository that's safer anyway |
| [04:03:22] | xris: | this stuff isn't supposed to happen, though. rebasing and force pushing master is a HUGE bad thing to do. |
| [04:03:34] | xris: | the only reason I did it was because you guys were bitching about the size of the repo |
| [04:06:25] | xris: | if you blew away the commit with svn, I'd still have the data in my local repo, and the history in my local repo... but no way in svn to tell it to re-check with the remote to make sure it was correct. |
| [04:07:51] | kormoc: | svn up -r older revision; svn up; |
| [04:08:03] | kormoc: | zoom back, zoom forward. done |
| [04:09:01] | xris: | and what do you think git reset --hard origin/master does? |
| [04:09:29] | xris: | still requires action on the user's part |
| [04:09:43] | kormoc: | no more, no less |
| [04:09:54] | kormoc: | you stated you couldn't fix it in svn, I just corrected you that you can |
| [04:10:18] | xris: | you can, but it's a hack |
| [04:10:27] | kormoc: | not really |
| [04:10:28] | xris: | but I didn't know you could do that. |
| [04:10:37] | xris: | editing the remote repo database directly is a hack |
| [04:10:48] | xris: | using tools built into the RCS is not a hack |
| [04:10:56] | xris: | the real question is how this merge happened in the first place. you're not supposed to be able to merge from one repository to another, which is what this seems to have been. |
| [04:11:03] | kormoc: | you edit it with svnadmin, again, tools built into the RCS |
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| [04:11:39] | xris: | and then you inform your users to do a little revert and update trick. I'm still not seeing how git is worse. |
| [04:11:47] | xris: | or different |
| [04:12:24] | kormoc: | it's not. I'm just diagreeing with <xris> put it this way. if this was svn, you'd be stuck with the extra 150M of data. with git, we can correct it. |
| [04:13:14] | xris: | like I said, didn't know you could hack up svn that way |
| [04:14:21] | xris: | though with svn, it would be a single revision.. with git it was about 1000. |
| [04:16:05] | xris: | I think I figured out what I did |
| [04:17:13] | xris: | yup, that did it. |
| [04:17:14] | xris: | wow |
| [04:18:15] | kormoc: | xris, after that command, Your branch is ahead of 'origin/master' by 21285 commits. |
| [04:18:18] | xris: | yeah |
| [04:19:26] | xris: | so.. again. git rebase crap because of user dumbassedness, not git problems. |
| [04:20:25] | xris: | so yeah, do *not* assume that you can: git pull /path/to/pull/into |
| [04:20:32] | xris: | more of me treating it like svn |
| [04:23:25] | ** xris goes back to doing non-computer things for awhile before completely tearing mythweb apart . ** | |
| [04:23:35] | xris: | kormoc: read/comment on that gdoc before I do something you disagree with. |
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| [04:45:48] | xris: | (anyone else who wants to see my new mythweb planning doc is welcome to pass me a gdoc-friendly address) |
| [04:55:29] | kormoc: | or you can make it public and paste a read only url to look at it? |
| [04:57:48] | xris: | I'm not drunk enough to think of something that smart... |
| [04:58:05] | xris: | https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1UmQK . . . VHocbZYVheu8 |
| [04:58:48] | xris: | struggling now what to do with: classes, classes that happen to be controllers, and lib/include files |
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| [05:12:29] | elmojo: | jpabq: thanks for testing... I'll have to work on getting in the rest soon then |
| [05:12:30] | xris: | huh, apparently it won't publish the drawings |
| [05:13:42] | kormoc: | well, that's certainly something very important for you to figure out before you start ripping it all apart |
| [05:15:21] | xris: | the drawings or the classes? |
| [05:15:29] | kormoc: | classes |
| [05:15:47] | xris: | don't want to help? |
| [05:16:45] | xris: | think I figured out what to do with the views. |
| [05:16:57] | xris: | just had to think about how I want mythtv themes to work, too |
| [05:18:05] | xris: | as for the rest, I'm really having to fight the rails directory structure names (it's one of the few things that they got decently well) |
| [05:19:30] | xris: | or maybe borrow from kohana. guess it's not that much different. |
| [05:22:41] | kormoc: | I've told you in the past that I don't believe controllers should go in the classes and I think views should be next to the controllers, but it really doesn't matter much. The layout of files is fluid and able to be changed as wanted. |
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| [05:50:51] | elmojo: | jpabq: fyi – the predictive skip logic never get's enabled for interlaced material because the check doesn't account for 2x deinterlacing |
| [05:51:54] | elmojo: | some of the other uncommited code would have an effect on interlaced material but the predictive skip code is definitely not involved |
| [05:52:50] | jpabq: | Okay. It playing smooth is more important than it being deinterlaced. Not that I wouldn't prefer both;-) |
| [05:52:52] | elmojo: | with that said, it needs to be added because if you are running a 30i video with a 2x deinterlacer at 1.5x then you need the predictive skip to avoid massive/irregular drops |
| [06:13:02] | elmojo: | jpabq: a ha, if we turn on timestretch and have 2x deinterlacing enabled then it will fail the check to determine if the display is fast enough and will try the fallback deinterlacer which in most cases is configure to be 1x unless the user specifies another 2x deinterlacer |
| [06:13:49] | jpabq: | elmojo, right. I *think* I remember that now that you mention it. |
| [06:14:38] | elmojo: | it totally slipped my mind.... was wondering why it worked so well even though the predictive skip wasn't enabled |
| [06:14:53] | elmojo: | I think that is a fair tradeoff though |
| [06:16:17] | elmojo: | I think the fallback deinterlacing method should only allow 1x since that is the only reason I can think of that the primary deinterlacer would not work is if it falled the 2x check |
| [06:17:51] | jpabq: | I agree. |
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| [08:37:19] | superm1: | xris, i think i'll just tell it to clean out the directory and do fresh checkouts for everything tomorrow |
| [08:37:40] | superm1: | i dont have interactive access to the build box, so if something goes wrong with adding a reset it's not a good place to be |
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| [09:28:34] | ** stuarta closes 9406 with extreme prejudice ** | |
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| [09:41:32] | xris: | superm1: you should probably fix your build box to pull origin/master every time |
| [09:42:09] | xris: | didn't realize people were using this repo as the master copy, either.. I set it up intending that packagers push to *it* rather than the other way around. |
| [09:43:45] | xris: | or used as suggestions (like the rpm stuff is) |
| [09:57:44] | xris: | anyway, pull is not meant to be an automated task. build repositories are generally designed so they can be pushed to, so you have better control of them from other places. |
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| [10:31:17] | stuartm: | sorry to keep ragging on the git lovers, but ... |
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| [10:34:33] | stuartm: | I particularly like how the list of recommended steps for each 'commit' (svn terms) keeps growing – git pull; git add; git commit; git pull --rebase (just in case); git log; git push – by comparison 'svn commit' looks good |
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| [11:19:15] | paul-h: | It's quite funny the git 'expert' fucked up big time :) I think there is no hope for a hobby programmer like me. Lets face it git sucks!! |
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| [12:11:36] | ** stuarta wonders if there is a 'git jfdi' ** | |
| [12:11:54] | stuarta: | or git read-my-mind-and-do-what-i-want |
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| [13:51:07] | Captain_Murdoch: | stuartm, just make a git.sh script that checks the first arg passed in. if it's 'commit', then you perform the 9–10 steps necessary that you listed for a commit. if the first arg is not 'commit', then just pass through to regular git. ;) |
| [14:07:31] | ** stuarta yawns ** | |
| [14:29:54] | paul-h: | stuarta: there is a few of us still waiting for our project cloak, paul-h, kenni, GreyFoxx, gigem |
| [14:30:25] | stuarta: | yup |
| [14:30:34] | stuarta: | there aren't any staffers around atm |
| [14:30:57] | paul-h: | k, no problem |
| [14:31:04] | stuarta: | i've got them queued up, just waiting for one to show up |
| [14:45:29] | danielk22: | elmojo: jpabq: The fallback deinterlacer method should never be a 2x one. Last I checked you couldn't create such a configuration (that's the reason for the fallback deinterlacer setting, it only gets used when the field rate of the material exceeds the display field rate, like when you are doing timestretch.) |
| [14:49:45] | danielk22: | xris: I don't think we should rewrite the history of any master branch. One should not need to check a mailing list before doing a pull. A few extra gigabytes in the repo is much more acceptable. An end user can pull a partial history with git if space is a problem. |
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| [14:59:09] | ** stuarta pokes stuck backend ** | |
| [15:00:52] | ** stuarta larts self ** | |
| [15:05:59] | Chutt: | heh |
| [15:06:20] | Chutt: | git troubles are amusing :p |
| [15:25:52] | danielk22: | I'm just starting to be mildly productive with it. |
| [15:28:20] | stuarta: | so how do you put back files you've deleted from your work area? |
| [15:28:30] | stuarta: | svn up used to do the trick |
| [15:29:36] | ** stuarta is updating devdoc generation ** | |
| [15:30:36] | stuarta: | ah, git reset --hard |
| [15:30:52] | ** stuarta looks for another nut to use sledgehammer on ** | |
| [15:31:19] | Chutt: | seems like the people that write most of the code are having the most troubles with it |
| [15:31:32] | Chutt: | which doesn't seem like a good situation to be in |
| [15:31:39] | stuarta: | i can explain that |
| [15:31:55] | stuarta: | i haven't had a chance to do any coding. thus git hasn't had a chance to bite me |
| [15:32:08] | Chutt: | heh =) |
| [15:32:16] | stuarta: | i think it'll be fine in the long run |
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| [16:01:54] | elmojo: | danielk22: thanks for the explanation – it's good to know there was some sane decisions made for the fallback method |
| [16:08:41] | stuartm: | paul-h: the group change is causing an issue with statetypes e.g. |
| [16:08:42] | stuartm: | XMLParseBase, Error: Duplicate name: 'hdtv' in parent 'videoprops' |
| [16:08:44] | stuartm: | Location: /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/Terra/recordings-ui.xml @ 299 |
| [16:08:45] | stuartm: | Name: 'hdtv' Type: 'state' |
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| [16:43:24] | superm1: | xris, if it's working on a tracking branch of origin/master (called master lets say), and contains no local changes – why wouldn't regularly pulling work? |
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| [17:15:48] | paul-h: | stuartm: a quick fix is to just rename the hdtv and widescreen imagetypes in the videoprops statetype so they don't have the same name as the state to which they belong |
| [17:17:32] | paul-h: | If you want I can find a better fix but I'm tempted to leave it like it is so duplicate names in groups are flagged as errors |
| [17:17:46] | stuartm: | yeah, thinking about it that's probably the only fix, it's good that we can recurse into statetypes, that allows statetypes to be used to show/hide all sorts of stuff |
| [17:18:23] | stuartm: | we just need to warn themers and fix those places where duplicate names exist, thinking that we might have to build it into validation |
| [17:43:04] | sphery: | stuartm: Speaking of font replacement, are you still looking for a Free font for Terra? I remember someone recommended DejaVu Sans and http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:DejaVu_Sans_and_Arial.png ), but now Liberation Sans is claimed to be metrically equivalent to Arial, so it's probably as close as you'll get to a drop-in replacement. |
| [17:44:29] | sphery: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Font_Compar . . . to_Arial.svg purports to compare the fonts, but since it's SVG, you need to make sure they're actually used (fc-match Arial; fc-match 'Liberation Sans'). http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Libera . . . are-sans.png is the only image I could find, but it's too short to be useful. |
| [17:53:24] | stuartm: | I would prefer a free font, especially something we can distribute |
| [17:56:48] | paul-h: | stuartm: do you want me to commit those changes to Terra's recordings-ui.xml? |
| [18:02:36] | stuartm: | paul-h: I suspect there are other places I need to fix, if you've got them ready then please commit but otherwise I'll be auditing the theme anyway within the next few days |
| [18:05:58] | sphery: | FWIW, I recently noticed that there were multiple instances of me listed at Ohloh due to our recent repo changes. The same holds true for danielk22, jpabq, stuarta, jannau, j-rod|afk, reynaldo_, gigem, and a few others (see pages 6 and 7 of contributors – https://www.ohloh.net/p/mythtv/contributors?page=6 ). You can click on the "other" you and say, "I am this person," to consolidate them (now that we have the ohloh widget on the trac home page). |
| [18:20:19] | danielk22: | sphery: Metrically equivalent but a very different look... |
| [18:21:08] | danielk22: | btw I clicked the I am this person link/button, but I already did that several weeks ago.. dunno why it didn't stick. |
| [18:23:18] | sphery: | yeah, agreed that they look different, so stuartm will need to put his artistic eye to making the decision |
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| [18:36:54] | stuartm: | sphery: artistic eye, that's a good one ;) |
| [18:37:35] | stuartm: | I only picked Arial in the first place because it was alphabetically first in a mental list of fonts ;) |
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| [19:32:27] | xris: | superm1: because developers like me occasionally (hopefully very rarely) make mistakes and might need to rebase origin/master |
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| [19:36:45] | sphery: | xris: on your google doc, was it the TV workflow flowchart that wasn't showing up? It's showing up on my system (as well as a video media page sample drawing) |
| [19:37:13] | xris: | sphery: cool. yeah, those weren't showing when I pulled them open in the public view |
| [19:39:11] | sphery: | Yeah, not sure what might be different--I'm just using a pretty vanilla Firefox, but I'm not signed into Google. Don't know if Robert K checked and didn't see them. |
| [19:39:16] | xris: | though I think I need to redo some of that. |
| [19:40:24] | xris: | anyway, off to go shopping (hurray vacation-from-home!). |
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| [19:41:48] | baf: | hello, I am trying to get mythtv running. The point is I cannot scan for new channels on my dvbs card. It yelds probme with tuning transport. w_scan works. |
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| [19:42:19] | analogue: | am i missing something or does --setverbose not work for slave backends |
| [19:42:49] | sphery: | baf and analogue : /topic (you want #mythtv-users ) |
| [19:43:02] | analogue: | woops |
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| [19:43:11] | baf: | ahm, sorry guys |
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| [20:22:04] | iamlindoro: | !seen markk |
| [20:22:04] | MythLogBot: | markk was last seen 4 days 10 hours 44 minutes 28 seconds ago |
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| [20:22:27] | iamlindoro: | !seen markk_ |
| [20:22:27] | MythLogBot: | markk_ was last seen 15 days 18 hours 36 minutes 32 seconds ago |
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| [20:32:26] | elmojo: | sorry to bother again but are the post-commit-hooks ever going to return... ie. is it a technical impossibility or just that no one has the time? |
| [20:33:29] | iamlindoro: | yeah, I'm starting to trip over my own unclosed but fixed tickets, it would really help to get that back |
| [20:35:26] | elmojo: | should we move to Jira or something? |
| [20:35:52] | ** iamlindoro shudders ** | |
| [20:37:10] | abqjp: | elmojo: is the BBC HD problem an issue with recording or playback? Or both? |
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| [20:44:56] | elmojo: | abqjp: both |
| [20:47:37] | abqjp: | Sorry, I really was not paying attention to that conversation, because I assumed it was a playback problem. I could probably take a look at the recording side of the issue this weekend, if no one else is working on that. I don't know anything about the playback side, though. |
| [20:50:44] | elmojo: | abqjp: the problem is with h264 parser which common for the recorder and playback side |
| [20:51:02] | elmojo: | if you fix the recorder then the player will also be fixed |
| [20:52:05] | abqjp: | We are talking about the H264Parser class? I thought that was only used to create the position map. I didn't think it was used (directly) during playback. |
| [20:53:23] | elmojo: | Yes, it's used in playback |
| [20:53:42] | elmojo: | it allows the player to determine the frame count, stream changes, etc |
| [20:54:46] | elmojo: | libs/libmythtv/mpeg/H264Parser.cpp |
| [20:54:47] | abqjp: | Okay. I thought the ffmpeg stuff was used for that. Is someone already looking at H264Parser? |
| [20:55:27] | elmojo: | Janne is aware of the problem but has had some system issues with his RAID that distracted him |
| [20:58:22] | abqjp: | Okay. I may be able to spend a little time on it this weekend. It has been a long time since I read the spec, which means I will have to read it again, but I may be able to figure out what is missing. I will need to read all the comments on that ticket, to understand the problem. |
| [20:58:50] | abqjp: | Funny how BBC seems to break that for us, about once a year. |
| [21:02:21] | stuartm: | heh, well it's not as though the parser has remained static, people are constantly fiddling with it and I'd not be so quick to blame everything on the BBC |
| [21:03:51] | abqjp: | Heh. *I* have not fiddled with it for a couple of years! |
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| [21:08:52] | stuartm: | when we finally get it working for all samples no-one will be allowed to touch it ever again ;) |
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| [21:25:15] | bergqvistjl: | Does anyone know how to (with mythtv 0.24) force an OSD to display, regardless of the UI theme? |
| [21:25:50] | bergqvistjl: | for instance if i wanted to use the ProjectGraham OSD with Arclight? |
| [21:25:59] | bergqvistjl: | balls, wrrong room sorry |
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| [22:13:09] | mtrg: | hello |
| [22:13:49] | mtrg: | I need to run a upnp daemon backgrounded in my server (no need for GUI) — can I do so with mythtv? |
| [22:14:02] | iamlindoro: | wrong channel, see topic |
| [22:14:34] | mtrg: | ah, sorry, someone needs bigger glasses! |
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| [22:43:19] | stuartm: | can I assume that there is universal agreement on replacing bzero with memset? |
| [22:44:29] | stuartm: | what about other deprecated features e.g. usleep vs nanosleep |
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| [23:07:25] | stuartm: | [22:43:19] <stuartm> can I assume that there is universal agreement on replacing bzero with memset? |
| [23:07:27] | stuartm: | [22:44:29] <stuartm> what about other deprecated features e.g. usleep vs nanosleep |
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