Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, December 18th, 2010, 00:02 UTC

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Lantizia:

Hey has anyone ever seen any Ethernet based TV tuners? i.e. Tune in for you – and give out an mpeg stream... no need for USB or PCI tuners.

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rooaus:

Someone will have an answer for you in #mythtv-users if you ask there, this is the dev channel.

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Lantizia:

Oh sorry

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Lantizia:

wouldn't it be better having #mythtv and #mythtv-dev? meh

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xris:

wagnerrp: it should be, yes... dunno if Beirdo did the tag or not, though.

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xris:

superm1: the version is intentionally hard-coded, per redhat/fedora rules.. the build script changes them automatically. plus, the build directory is an archive, not a git clone, so there is no git info.

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wagnerrp:

ok, was just wondering about the internal versioning in the bindings

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xris:

imho we should start the "new" schema with the json/xml stuff

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xris:

I think there will be a few kinks to work out along the way and it'd be best to hit those with the lesser-important side of the API things.

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xris:

plus I want to see cdev_ 's stuff checked in first, to see what it's like

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wagnerrp:

whats the timeline for moving back to the primary server?

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wagnerrp:

were just sucking down memory pretty hard on the temporary system

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xris:

I need some time to play around with things... mailing list is the main slowdown for getting things off of the old box

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xris:

need to get Beirdo to touch base with stuarta about a final passthrough of postfix, too

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elmojo:

jpabq: are you still using #7964 with trunk? does it still work properly?

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jpabq:

elmojo, I am a few weeks behind trunk, and the last time I applied those patches I did have to slightly modify them to apply cleanly. But, yes, I still use them, and they still work very well for me.

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jpabq:

elmojo, I should have time this weekend to bring my system up to current trunk. When I do, I can create current versions of those patches and attach them to the ticket.

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elmojo:

jpabq: that'd be much appreciated... I'm trying to understand them better... some stuff included that makes the patch much more noisy than necessary

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elmojo:

leave the audio patch out.... jya has stated that it's not needed

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jya:

elmojo: which patch ?

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elmojo:

Mark Spieth did give an explanation about the audio patch on the ticket

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elmojo:

jya: #7964

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jpabq:

elmojo, You undoubtedly understand them better than I do! I just know they work. Thanks for looking them over.

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jya:

ah yeah... no idea what that audio bit is going to be doing

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jya:

unless it's a timing issue

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jya:

in which case, if it causes a difference in behaviour when doing blah =0 ; blah = 0

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jya:

then you have more things to worry about

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elmojo:

jya: I don't know if it even has anything to do with #7964

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elmojo:

I'm going to ignore it for now... feel free to make comments about it on the ticket

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jya:

I'm going to put an answer to Mark's comment

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elmojo:

jpabq: do you use 2x deinterlacering on interlaced material?... I don't think it handles that

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jpabq:

I don't have my frontend machine turned on right now, so I am not sure. I have a nVidia GT220 and have told it to use the Advanced 2x deint, but I don't know what it uses when timestretch is engaged.

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jya:

elmojo: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7964#comment:22

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elmojo:

jya: thanks... I'm calling it a night

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jya:

good night :)

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jpabq:

good night

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iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/simplevideosetup.png

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iamlindoro:

first in a series of basic configuration tasks, arranged step by step, as a wizard

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kormoc:

iamlindoro++

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iamlindoro:

Thanks

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iamlindoro:

Thinking to set up video playback, maybe a very basic audio config and test, screen wizard, and a couple other obvious "first time" config options

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iamlindoro:

people who want more can dig, but want to hit all the basic config tasks and make them idiot proof

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** kormoc nods **

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kormoc:

I think it's great

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kormoc:

Beirdo, your patch from last night still fails on sandbox violation

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kormoc:

different one, looks like this one is /usr/include/mythtv/libavdevice/avdevice.h

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, a small thing I've been wondering about is if we should try to default the MBE ip to a internal one vs 127.0.0.1

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kormoc:

%s/internal/interface/

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, That's on the drawing board for the setup rewrite (and it's easy to do)

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iamlindoro:

but personally, I think the setup rewrite is dead

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iamlindoro:

or moving so slowly as to be as good as dead

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kormoc:

well, we're still in a bit of a git coma right now

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iamlindoro:

some people never come out of comas ;)

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kormoc:

Heh, point

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kormoc:

Beirdo, INCDIR is only $(prefix) not install_root/prefix

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kormoc:

and that's me breaking it. hrm

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Beirdo:

hmmm, OK

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Beirdo:

just got home. sigh

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kormoc:

I specifically patched out install_root from INCDIR previously as it was doubling it, but perhaps that's fixed, testing now

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Beirdo:

Ahh

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kormoc:

that did the trick

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Beirdo:

wrt markk's commit 3 hours ago... I thought Qt 4.6 was already the minimum requirement.

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Beirdo:

or was it 4.5?

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Captain_Murdoch:

4.5 is minimum since I made the MythDownloadManager use the QNetworkDiskCache.

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Beirdo:

ah

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Beirdo:

I have to double-check all the stuff in mythsystem-rewrite then

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Captain_Murdoch:

prior to that it was just one plugin that required 4.5.

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Beirdo:

as we may have sucked in some 4.6 features

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Beirdo:

if we have, then we can make a judgement call at that point, I guess :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, I'll see your screenshot and raise you a http://www.bc2va.org/chris/tmp/updatetheme.jpg

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iamlindoro:

Well that popup is just a lie ;)

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iamlindoro:

Still, I like!

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Captain_Murdoch:

nah, 1.0 is old, 1.1 is current. :)

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iamlindoro:

heh

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kormoc:

Captain_Murdoch++

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iamlindoro:

still

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iamlindoro:

I like very much

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iamlindoro:

Well now I have to prove it works with a video, just to one up Captain_Murdoch ;)

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Captain_Murdoch:

the MBE updates a local copy of the themes.zip list of downloadable themes once a day. the frontend checks the backend's copy to see if the current theme has an update available.

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Beirdo:

oh, that's what I was just gonna ask

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Beirdo:

:)

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xris:

iamlindoro: if you think the setup rewrite project is dying, why not talk to the guy you put in charge of organizing it?

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iamlindoro:

I didn't put anyone in charge of anything

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xris:

plural you, not singular

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iamlindoro:

I specifically said that I wasn't going to be the leader, and that someone else should lead

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iamlindoro:

that doesn't mean me running along behind them urging them to do so

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xris:

and stuart volunteered

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xris:

and then everyone ignored it

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, http://www.fecitfacta.com/simpleprofile.ogg (best played in mythavtest)

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iamlindoro:

stuartm, ^^ May also find interesting

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xris:

hmm, jira busted. grumble

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xris:

or crowd. grumble. will try to make some time to figure out what's wrong

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, nice. and yeah, for me, 'only played in mythavtest', my mplayer and/or ogg libs are so old they make that video look like an Arclight background.

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iamlindoro:

har har

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iamlindoro:

my mplayer made it look sort of like 3D without glasses :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

I'm serious. :) just with more color, not mainly blue.

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iamlindoro:

I know you are ;)

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Beirdo:

I made a nice Arclight-like background with nuvexport the other day

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** iamlindoro isn't sure he likes this meme **

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Beirdo:

had the x:y and width:height parameters back

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Beirdo:

backwards...

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Beirdo:

so 24 pixels from somewhere in the video were expanded out to full screen

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Beirdo:

gave a similar effect, and confused the crap outta me for a bit

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Captain_Murdoch:

whenever whoever finishes the video widget, they can make a gallery widget and then people could put a random mythgallery picture or a slideshow up as their background.

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iamlindoro:

or, someone could make the image tag pick a random item when set to a directory

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iamlindoro:

oh wait I did :)

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iamlindoro:

and used it in arclight with the backgrounds ;)

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Beirdo:

oh, it did look rather pretty, BTW. just unexpected from what was supposed to be a simple crop :)

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iamlindoro:

But I take your point (ie, use the gallery instead)

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Of course, once there's a video widget, there will be new reasons to hate themes that use that, too

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iamlindoro:

"It looks horrible if you don't have any video recorded, we can't possibly use it"

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iamlindoro:

"let's just keep throwing our feces at MythCenter, and someone not me will write a magic default"

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iamlindoro:

and anything using the gallery widget will be unacceptable on the grounds that people might not have anything there, too

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iamlindoro:

Pretty much the more you do with MythUI, the less ok it is

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kormoc:

Beirdo, so the current code works fine, your patch isn't needed .I just didn't notice the incdir issue last night. Sorry for the noise

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Beirdo:

OK, so the way it is in git right now works fine?

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** iamlindoro supposed the audio setup wizard has to come before the video one, since video won't play back properly without working audio. Hmm... **

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iamlindoro:

er supposes

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kormoc:

Beirdo, aye

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Beirdo:

sweet. Thanks for the patience while we worked it out :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

we can just start picking a different theme as the default for each release. if we don't care about 4:3 vs 16:9, we could go for 2–3 years without having to recycle.

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, I say go the other way. There should be no themes whatsoever. ncurses, just do away with MythUI entirely

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iamlindoro:

Nothing will ever approach the holy glory that is MythCenter anyway

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iamlindoro:

the theme chooser can just download a new font for your terminal

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Captain_Murdoch:

I think that guy already did that in another 20 lines of perl, so he's up to 720 now (or 20 plus whatever the last count was).

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iamlindoro:

Now we're talking

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** Captain_Murdoch has to git to bed. **

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Beirdo:

night :)

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iamlindoro:

seeya

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Beirdo:

better than CVSing to bed

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iamlindoro:

That one I'll give you ;)

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Beirdo:

had the joy of dealing with CVS again today. blech

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xris:

ok, crowd fixed.. had the wrong server URL configured.

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xris:

guess it worked until I forced a redirect to code.mythtv.org

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xris:

iamlindoro: stuarta even created a tracking ticket for the project in jira: http://code.mythtv.org/jira/browse/TEST-2

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iamlindoro:

cool

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xris:

and as of about 10 seconds ago non-authenticated users can actually browser jira now.

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laga:

"This video contains content from Sony Music Entertainment. It is not available in your country.

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laga:

Sorry about that.

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laga:

oh, sorry, wrong window.

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okolsi:

jya: noticed something with the new audio setup and the test screen

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jya:

yes?

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okolsi:

jya: with simple 2 channel system, only left channel outputs the noise, if I select test all, then both left and right play it

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okolsi:

I can show logs if that helps

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jya:

when you click on the right channel you don't get audio you mean?

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okolsi:

yes, when i click the right, i still get audio from the left

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jya:

hum.. that's the issue I had but resolved..

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jya:

ok thanks.. will have a look

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okolsi:

if this helps: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/2022758 there I first test left and then test right

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jya:

looks like me map is screwed

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okolsi:

I'm very lousy at linux audio setup.. I might have somthing configured wrongly etc :)

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jya:

nah. can reproduce it here

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jya:

Right channel in stereo mode is channel number 1

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jya:

not 2

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okolsi:

k

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jya:

which is why you get left sound

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jya:

ok fixed

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okolsi:

:)

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jya:

the point of the new audio setup is that you can't screw anything up

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jya:

you see right away if there's an issue, along with a popup message

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okolsi:

sounds so right..

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okolsi:

how about the noise test and SPDIF output? I think I only got amplifier to blink and no sounds.. should it work? This is with another frontend

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jya:

it should work under all circumstances normally

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jya:

when you start the audio test... you may want to wait 4–5s before testing any channels

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jya:

some amplifier takes a little while to get a sync

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jya:

when you start the audio test, even if you do not press any button, it starts sending audio right away (silence)

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jya:

that's enough to give time to the amplifier to sync

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jya:

once done click Test All, and see if audio ever occurs

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jya:

I know that my hdmi amp, in 7.1 test, can take up to 6s to get a lock..

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okolsi:

okay.. i'll have to re-try and see what happens. amp is quite recent Yamaha

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jya:

spdif should be much faster though

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jya:

ok, I've pushed the fix.. thanks for reporting

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okolsi:

np

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jya:

let me know how that works for you.

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jya:

and if you are having issues with your other frontend, start mythfrontend with -v audio, start the audio test and post the log somewhere

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okolsi:

jya: right channel works fine now :) SPDIF passthrough seems broken now, both with audio test page and with recordings/DVD

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jya:

what audio device did you select?

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okolsi:

just a sec, fe is in different room, haven't changed it from the default

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okolsi:

card is ALSA:iec958:CARD=ICH5,DEV=0

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okolsi:

what audio logs would be usefull, just to enter audio setup page?

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okolsi:

jya: this is log when entering to audio setup and then into test where outputting test signal to front left speaker: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/2022792

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jya:

well, it tells you why:

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jya:

Hardware audio buffer cur: 64 need: 128 max allowed: 128

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jya:

Try to manually increase audio buffer with: echo 128 | sudo tee /proc/asound/card0/pcm4p/sub0/prealloc

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jya:

you alsa buffer is set to low, increase it

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okolsi:

hmm.. can't do it: kernel: ALSA sound/core/info.c:420: data write error to prealloc (-16)

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jya:

you have to close your audio device first

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jya:

stop the test (quit the page)

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jya:

and this is not dev , it belongs to #mythtv-users :)

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okolsi:

yeah.. manged to increase the buffer, doesn't give that error log but still doesn't work

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jya:

is it possible to set more than one author in the commit ?

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stuartm:

jya: have you tried multiple --author lines?

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stuartm:

s/lines/args/

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jya:

stuartm: nope.. And I was too impatient to wait for an answer, so one author will do :)

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danielk22:

Any svn.mythtv.org sysadmins around? It seems the new machine knows neither my ssh key nor my password...

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Beirdo:

it's not setup to do svn over ssh

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danielk22:

I'm assuming the 184.106.209.209 IP is correct, it also looked like the system ssh keys were not transferred, so I guess there could be DNS poisoning.

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Beirdo:

only read-only via http

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Beirdo:

and yes, that's the correct IP address

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kormoc:

danielk22, it has my keys/etc

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danielk22:

kormoc: do you have a minute to check my account?

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Beirdo:

only a few userids were put on there, the intention was to not allow svn over ssh anyways

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kormoc:

danielk22, certainly

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Beirdo:

you don't have one

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danielk22:

Beirdo: the svn over ssh isn't a major problem, it's the ability to restart trac, etc.

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stuartm:

danielk22: when they moved to the new server, the old user accounts weren't migrated

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stuartm:

I don't know whether there was a concious decision to limit access for security or whether it was just an oversight

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danielk22:

I've been a bit out of the loop lately. This was probably talked about and I just missed it.

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Beirdo:

stuartm: it was a conscious decision, but danielk should have access :)

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Beirdo:

I'll let kormoc take care of it since he offered :)

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kormoc:

the deed has been done

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danielk22:

I don't administer the system day to day, but I do put out the occasional fire and cut the occasional release ;)

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stuartm:

I didn't mean to imply that you shouldn't have access :)

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danielk22:

heh, and what is the new svn repo address for my svn switch --relocate command (to rebase my patches and move to git) ?

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danielk22:

For anyone else asking that... it is http://code.mythtv.org/svn/

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wagnerrp:

the backend protocol revision is now universally treated as a string

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wagnerrp:

so in developmental branches, i assume we can start setting it to whatever we want?

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wagnerrp:

i just started up a jobqueue branch which is going to require a few changes, i could set it to 'jq01' or something?

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kormoc:

I believe so

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aertyu:

hi

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aertyu:

is there anyone here ?

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