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| [00:20:43] | stuartm: | Beirdo: yes, thanks |
| [00:21:31] | stuartm: | I might just commit and then squash, reduces the chances that I'll forget about stashed changes |
| [00:21:37] | Beirdo: | no problem |
| [00:21:40] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [00:54:52] | knightr: | kenni, we'll have some mega problems translating themes if they are all removed from the repo... Seems like somebody forgot about that... |
| [00:56:05] | knightr: | and even if support was added on a per theme level like Stuart said in the paid, they would do the translators would do the same job over and over again... |
| [00:58:09] | Chutt_: | stuartm, stash is very handy if you figure out you were working on the wrong branch, too =) |
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| [01:03:36] | jpabq: | Sorry, I have not been reading IRC lately. I have read the emails in the "Git migration" thread, but don't see the instructions for setting up git. Do I setup my own account on github? Should the user name and email both be jpoet@mythtv.org ? |
| [01:04:01] | Beirdo: | username can be whatever you like (usually not an email) |
| [01:04:28] | Beirdo: | the email should be as you stated yes, although you can add another one as primary, and then add that one as secondary |
| [01:06:04] | jpabq: | Is jpoet@mythtv.org "real"? Can I actually receive email sent to that address somehow? |
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| [01:09:01] | Beirdo: | if you tell us where you want it forwarded to, yes |
| [01:09:43] | Beirdo: | it's currently setup to forward to gmail |
| [01:09:59] | jpabq: | That is fine. Thanks Beirdo |
| [01:10:49] | Beirdo: | no problem. let me know when you have the github account ready, and I'll add you to the list who can push to that repo :) |
| [01:11:17] | Beirdo: | just need to know the username on github. |
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| [01:14:14] | jya: | Trying to add a wiki page on mythtv.org, it tells me that I can't create a page as I need to be in the "User" group. Can someone add me please? |
| [01:14:27] | jya: | trying to document how to play audio in myth for a plugin |
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| [01:15:44] | jpabq: | Beirdo, I just used jpoet |
| [01:16:11] | jya: | wiki username is jyavenard |
| [01:16:25] | Beirdo: | ok. |
| [01:17:21] | Beirdo: | jpabq: added |
| [01:17:39] | Beirdo: | jya: I dunno on the wiki, sorry |
| [01:17:55] | jya: | oh well, it works now.. just added a different email address |
| [01:27:39] | Beirdo: | wish I could say the same for this Cisco 7940 on my desk :) |
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| [01:46:01] | jya: | Beirdo.. ahh cisco... It must be the only brand in the world where I had to buy a 3rd party book to actually know how to use it |
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| [02:05:58] | Captain_Murdoch: | must have been before google. last book I bought was for Perl 4 I think. might have been 3. |
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| [03:12:21] | elmojo: | I think not having developer designed themes included with the MythTV repo is INSANE! |
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| [04:04:39] | BobLfoot: | know this channel is for development not users, but I wanted to drop by and say the new look of the 24–2 myth package released for Fedora thru rpmfusion rocks when it comes to menu graphics |
| [04:10:00] | wagnerrp: | the new look should be the same as the old look |
| [04:10:15] | wagnerrp: | terra is the default theme and i dont believe it had any significant changes between 0.23 and 0.24 |
| [04:11:31] | BobLfoot: | funny it changed significantly on my system between 24–1 and 24–2, but maybe it's something the rpmfusion/fedora implementers are doing |
| [04:12:06] | wagnerrp: | j-rod|afk: you guys write up a new theme? |
| [04:12:48] | BobLfoot: | whateer you're doing keep up the good hard work it is appreciated – end of message. |
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| [04:14:19] | mikeATgroundedNE: | hi guys. i've got something to complain about and then you won't hear from me for a few months. i don't like people. fix them |
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| [04:58:33] | doc_dingus: | hey, i waas in the support channel the other day, asking about dvd ripping in .24 to be told it was removed, at which point i descided i would set my self on the task of adding such support (as i personally need it) my question is what formate would the developers best proofer the data transcoded into? |
| [04:59:42] | doc_dingus: | i'm also wondering the best suggestion on how to hook such software into mythtv |
| [05:00:03] | wagnerrp: | IMHO, we shouldnt be doing transcoding |
| [05:00:29] | wagnerrp: | just pull an ISO or the VOB from the main title, shove it into the proper storage group |
| [05:00:41] | wagnerrp: | let whatever transcoding you want to do happen afterwards |
| [05:01:47] | doc_dingus: | wow that makes my job so much easer, beause i am already pulling the main tital vob from the disk (atm just parking it in /home/mythtv) so you think extract the vob file to the storage group and leave it at that? |
| [05:02:55] | wagnerrp: | my point of view is from the side that we shouldnt have an MTD |
| [05:03:11] | wagnerrp: | let the frontend with the disk drive get it to a storage group as quick as possible |
| [05:03:23] | wagnerrp: | then let a user job do whatever you want with it from there on |
| [05:03:58] | wagnerrp: | that way, you can push transcoding off to a more powerful computer, or one not needed for playback |
| [05:04:50] | doc_dingus: | i agree, as i thought transcodeing should be job for the back end (so as to not delay a low end front end while watching movies) |
| [05:06:05] | doc_dingus: | so can you help me out just a little, because as it is i have done the heavy lifting getting the vob file off the disk, how do i arrange to pass it to the storage group? |
| [05:06:43] | wagnerrp: | at the moment, you really cant |
| [05:06:55] | wagnerrp: | remote writing to storage groups only works in the root path |
| [05:07:20] | doc_dingus: | why is that? |
| [05:07:32] | wagnerrp: | limitation of how it is currently written |
| [05:07:54] | wagnerrp: | might want to ping Captain_Murdoch about that one |
| [05:08:13] | wagnerrp: | as for how to actually use it, i know the protocol, but i dont know the internal mythtv library implementation of it |
| [05:09:09] | wagnerrp: | you might want to check out the metadata grabbing code for mythvideo |
| [05:09:20] | wagnerrp: | thats the only internal chunk i know of that currently uses it |
| [05:09:42] | wagnerrp: | all the artwork is put in the root path of their respective storage groups |
| [05:10:09] | doc_dingus: | ok thats well worth it, what would be wrong with placeing dvd's in the root path of the storage group (at least for now)? |
| [05:10:38] | wagnerrp: | nothing, except that thats not where most people would want them |
| [05:12:31] | doc_dingus: | so true, im more putting foward that on a alpha level till we can arange to move then, outside of that, is there any problem ripping to the local computer, then passing to the backend? also what is the best time to get a hold of Captain_Murdoch |
| [05:13:06] | wagnerrp: | just idle in here, hell respond eventually |
| [05:13:52] | doc_dingus: | fair enough, well ill hang around and continue work with what i have left to do and await a reply. |
| [05:14:30] | wagnerrp: | theres no problem storing temporary files locally, just understand that they will have to be moved to a backend with a Videos storage group eventually |
| [05:15:44] | doc_dingus: | well it as more ripping them locally, as if for example the network is slow it may only send at 1mpbs, i would like to have the disk ready to eject asap to minimise the interfearence with normal use of mythtv |
| [05:17:46] | doc_dingus: | actually in the long run i need to know one other thing, would this be better served embedded in mythvideo, or as its own plugin? |
| [05:19:01] | wagnerrp: | that one? cant say |
| [05:19:18] | wagnerrp: | it would make sense to be part of mythvideo, since mythvideo would be the one playing back ripped disks |
| [05:19:33] | wagnerrp: | but then it wouldnt, because mythvideo is not likely to exist for a whole lot longer |
| [05:19:38] | wagnerrp: | its planned to be consumed by mythfrontend |
| [05:19:56] | iamlindoro: | doc_dingus, There are going to be a few requirements if you hope to see this added to myth-- 1) If there are external dependencies, they need to be a single library (not a bunch of externally called command line tools) 2) It needs to write directly to storage groups, 3) It needs to all occur in the background/in its own thread, 4) Any transcoding needs to be performed in the job queue on the backend |
| [05:20:56] | iamlindoro: | So, for example, if your plugin calls a bunch of external tools to rip the disc, while blocking the UI, then that's not something I see getting committed, as that would be a major step backwards from what we had in mtd |
| [05:21:21] | wagnerrp: | you can write a widget that will notify the user when a rip is finished |
| [05:21:22] | iamlindoro: | Just want to set expectations so you know what to aim for if you want to see it included-- it needs to be better, and more integrated, than the old solution |
| [05:22:31] | doc_dingus: | well libdvdcss is my only depenancy on the ripping side (obviously) and there is no external shell calls, why dose it need to write directly to storage groups? |
| [05:23:26] | iamlindoro: | Because storage groups are soon to be the only location you can keep Videos, and it's unlikely that you'll be ripping at a speed faster than your network can copy the file anyway |
| [05:23:36] | iamlindoro: | There's no good reason to stash them locally |
| [05:23:51] | iamlindoro: | Ripping should all occur in the background once it is started, and should write directly to the Video SG |
| [05:24:04] | wagnerrp: | unless youre on a wireless network, and those have never been recommended for use with mythtv |
| [05:24:21] | wagnerrp: | on the opposite side, there are a lot of people who simply may not have enough local storage to rip a dvd |
| [05:24:30] | wagnerrp: | flash or network booted frontends |
| [05:24:43] | wagnerrp: | that would have to mount an NFS share just to rip |
| [05:25:10] | doc_dingus: | true (although i am on a wireless network) |
| [05:26:04] | iamlindoro: | Ideally, the rip box would consist *only* of an indication of the label of the disc, and a "Go" button, and a mythuiprogressbar to show the progress of ripping the disc. Once started, it should continue in the background, allowing the user to go on using the UI, and when finished it can pop up a dialog if appropriate |
| [05:26:35] | iamlindoro: | And it should use the existing settings for the path to the DVD device (ie, there's no reason it should require any additional settings) |
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| [05:27:50] | doc_dingus: | all sounds good to me ( i want something my 4 year old can use) |
| [05:27:54] | iamlindoro: | So, not unlike how it used to be, only simpler and not requiring a bunch of ugly external tools or a daemon to be run at startup, and supporting storage groups |
| [05:29:02] | doc_dingus: | at this point can we dodge transcoding ( i dont like the idea anyway) |
| [05:31:31] | doc_dingus: | also to jump of the rails slightly, what ide do you guys use for mythtv? |
| [05:31:49] | wagnerrp: | none |
| [05:31:52] | iamlindoro: | nano + make |
| [05:33:04] | doc_dingus: | fair enough |
| [05:34:06] | doc_dingus: | svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/ mythtv-trunk |
| [05:34:32] | doc_dingus: | lmoa missed the terminal :P |
| [05:34:49] | iamlindoro: | we live at github now |
| [05:36:13] | doc_dingus: | oh ok |
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| [05:39:47] | doc_dingus: | also while im here, can someone tell e how to get out of the internet video screen, for youtube (i get stuck there nothing works) |
| [05:39:57] | xris: | well, the svn checkout would work.. but won't be updated |
| [05:40:06] | xris: | iamlindoro: I hear you pulled arclight. where is it going to live? |
| [05:40:36] | wagnerrp: | xris: his website, hes got links on the relevent email in the -users list |
| [05:41:09] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010 . . . /304352.html |
| [05:42:47] | xris: | thx. I tend not to read the lists when they don't say "mythweb" or "nuvexport" in the subject |
| [05:44:03] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [05:50:41] | ** xris ponders how to go about packing up mythextras.... ** | |
| [05:52:35] | xris: | really only have the release script and logos to deal with. |
| [05:55:37] | xris: | guess I'll just recreate mythextras |
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| [06:01:49] | xris: | grumble. my installdir copy of arclight was a link to the checkout |
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| [06:03:41] | ** xris wonders what it would take to get more themers to design stuff.... ** | |
| [06:06:16] | xris: | fisheye and jira are running SOOOO much faster after adding RAM to this box. http://new.mythtv.org/fisheye/browse |
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| [07:27:09] | xris: | superm1: fwiw I don't mind a debian dir inside of nuvexport.. and am trying to figure out how to allow something like that for mythtv |
| [07:27:12] | xris: | er, mythweb |
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| [07:37:19] | Beirdo: | superm1: also, I left a note in your commit for the scripts :) |
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| [08:44:22] | superm1: | Beirdo, i deleted the pull request, so i think the note might have gone with it |
| [08:44:27] | superm1: | remember what it was? |
| [08:44:45] | Beirdo: | no, it's right on your current commit |
| [08:44:52] | Beirdo: | apt-get install git. |
| [08:44:59] | Beirdo: | should be apt-get install git-core |
| [08:45:08] | superm1: | oh |
| [08:45:17] | Beirdo: | at least for 10.04.1. did they add a metapackage in 10.10? |
| [08:45:21] | superm1: | didn't realize you saw my forked branch |
| [08:45:26] | Beirdo: | heh :) |
| [08:45:37] | superm1: | i'm still messing with whether that's an appropriate way to do things |
| [08:45:44] | superm1: | but yeah i think you're right it needs to be git-core |
| [08:45:59] | Beirdo: | so your plan now is to pull the debian/ dir from bzr? I guess that could work |
| [08:46:11] | superm1: | well it's what i'm experimenting with at least |
| [08:46:25] | superm1: | since there isn't one giant git tree anymore several trees have to be pulled in the right place |
| [08:46:28] | superm1: | so it seems to make sense |
| [08:46:34] | Beirdo: | you may want to have it in git to make it so you don't NEED to install both bzr and git, but whatever works |
| [08:46:54] | Beirdo: | but whatever works for you guys :) |
| [08:47:21] | superm1: | well if this works i'm going to rework autobuilds around it, just calling it a few times (one for lucid, maverick, natty, etc) |
| [08:47:30] | superm1: | and then it really is the same thing if anyone wants to run it to add a patch |
| [08:47:37] | superm1: | and test in binary packages etc |
| [08:48:27] | Beirdo: | yeah |
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| [09:33:32] | doc_dingus: | hey me again, was in here earler talking about dvd ripping, just point of clarification, a are vob files simply split (eg can they just be put together 1 after another?) |
| [09:34:20] | wagnerrp: | yes, assuming they are all of the same format (and files on a DVD will be), you can concatenate them together |
| [09:35:30] | doc_dingus: | thats great news, also can someone point me at some example code to add a job to the back end cue? |
| [09:36:05] | wagnerrp: | not at this time |
| [09:36:28] | wagnerrp: | right now, you have to add a new entry to the database |
| [09:36:39] | wagnerrp: | but beyond that, youre limited to only 4 user jobs |
| [09:36:43] | wagnerrp: | its a planned rewrite |
| [09:37:19] | wagnerrp: | just getting the stuff ripped and inserted into the storage group properly, with a simple UI, would be a good start for now |
| [09:38:16] | doc_dingus: | the only place i may have issue is the UI (i hate writeing UI's) butt if that will be enough lets go with that :) |
| [09:40:26] | doc_dingus: | ok i guess i just need one more thing, any idea which of the source files for mythtv handles the metadata? |
| [09:40:55] | wagnerrp: | libmythmetadata |
| [09:41:28] | doc_dingus: | ty |
| [09:41:51] | wagnerrp: | actually, no |
| [09:42:00] | wagnerrp: | i forgot that got migrated to the download manager |
| [09:42:04] | wagnerrp: | so it doesnt write to anything |
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| [09:43:11] | wagnerrp: | i dont know where you might find an example, but the actual code can be found here... https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . motefile.cpp |
| [09:43:11] | doc_dingus: | well specifically im trying to find out how the metadata (eg images) get to the storage group? |
| [09:44:20] | doc_dingus: | thats close enough to an example :p |
| [09:46:30] | wagnerrp: | seems it takes a myth URI as an argument |
| [09:47:13] | wagnerrp: | so that would be myth://[storage group@]<hostname>[:port]/path/to/file |
| [09:47:48] | wagnerrp: | default storage group is 'Default' |
| [09:47:58] | wagnerrp: | which you dont want to use, its for recordings |
| [09:49:17] | doc_dingus: | that should be fairly easy to work with i think, i have to now migrate my code over from c to cpp and from there i can look at actually intergrateing into mythtv |
| [09:53:33] | doc_dingus: | although moving away from the approach to the process, between the developers, is dvd ripping a feature that is wanted/needed within mythtv? |
| [09:54:14] | wagnerrp: | when it was removed, there were several who mentioned they wanted something |
| [09:55:28] | doc_dingus: | fair enough |
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| [10:17:29] | jya: | stuartm, iamlindoro: how can I make a MythUI button be as wide as the text it contains ? |
| [10:24:07] | jya: | someone experienced in the mythtv wiki ; why would this page http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Developer_Documentation showed very different content depending on being logged in or not.. |
| [10:24:21] | jya: | the new page I've added only shows if logged in.. |
| [10:24:29] | wagnerrp: | the wiki caches things for not-logged-in users |
| [10:24:40] | wagnerrp: | and there is no automatic way we have found to flush those pages |
| [10:25:05] | wagnerrp: | theres some address argument you can supply to force a flush manually |
| [10:25:09] | wagnerrp: | but i dont remember the term off hand |
| [10:31:03] | jya: | when logged out, there are 37 entries at the page, When logged in, only 33, but it has also sub-categories, the python bindings etc |
| [10:33:15] | jya: | wagnerrp: thanks for the hint. I added ?action=purge to the URL.. it's now the same all the time |
| [10:33:41] | wagnerrp: | yeah, was about to do that and was confused as both pages appeared the same to me |
| [10:34:50] | jya: | it must have been cached for quite a long time.. |
| [10:35:10] | jya: | http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_FAQ# . . . hed_pages.3F |
| [10:35:28] | jya: | they have a script to do that, could add a cron to do so at regular interval |
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| [10:59:53] | doc_dingus: | hey is there any specific reason why if i have a 4gb usb device in my box at boot up, mythfrontend auto loads the image gallery and locks up? |
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| [11:18:44] | stuartm: | can I push a specific commit with git? I don't see anything about it in the man page for git push |
| [11:20:52] | Beirdo: | I don't think so |
| [11:21:06] | Beirdo: | what is the use case? |
| [11:22:58] | stuartm: | Beirdo: an abundance of caution, git status is telling me that I'm three commits ahead of origin, I've only made one and so I want to push just the one I'm sure about |
| [11:23:08] | Beirdo: | git log |
| [11:23:12] | stuartm: | on that subject, what about showing which commits are outstanding? git status is saying that my branch is ahead of the origin by three commits, can I list those commits? |
| [11:23:32] | Beirdo: | yes, git log will show them. it will be the first three commits |
| [11:24:00] | stuartm: | ugh, I made a commit to a branch but it's showing up in the log for master |
| [11:24:32] | Beirdo: | huh.. well that's not good. |
| [11:24:35] | stuartm: | now that's going to cause problems since it's not ready for comm ... er pushing |
| [11:24:51] | Beirdo: | yeah. git checkout the branch, make sure it's there? |
| [11:25:04] | stuartm: | the third commit is a merge one |
| [11:25:13] | Beirdo: | if not, cherry-pick it on the branch |
| [11:25:45] | Beirdo: | so git checkout the branch where it should be |
| [11:25:48] | Beirdo: | git log |
| [11:26:13] | stuartm: | ah crap, managed to switch branches without realising |
| [11:26:26] | Beirdo: | ooops |
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| [11:28:12] | Beirdo: | so what's the damage report? |
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| [11:30:29] | stuartm: | well I've cherry-picked it in the right branch, but now I need to revert it in the master so that I can push the other commit |
| [11:30:38] | Beirdo: | right |
| [11:30:45] | Beirdo: | git checkout master |
| [11:31:12] | Beirdo: | might as well look at the merge one while you're there |
| [11:31:17] | Beirdo: | git log -p |
| [11:31:23] | Beirdo: | actually shows the diffs too |
| [11:31:56] | Beirdo: | if it's just a merge from parallel work that someone else did on master that you pulled, you should be fine with that one |
| [11:32:00] | stuartm: | heh, seems if you disable the pager because you don't want it for 'git diff' it disables it for 'git log' |
| [11:32:07] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [11:32:15] | Beirdo: | now that will be messy |
| [11:33:28] | Beirdo: | once we know if the merge one is OK, we will do some fun. |
| [11:34:55] | stuartm: | merge one doesn't produce a diff, it just says "Merge branch 'master' of github.com:MythTV/mythtv" |
| [11:35:07] | Beirdo: | and no diff? |
| [11:35:10] | Beirdo: | hmmm. |
| [11:35:23] | Beirdo: | OK, let's do this then |
| [11:35:49] | Beirdo: | since you haven't pushed em, what we'll do is peel them off one by one |
| [11:36:02] | Beirdo: | so.. git reset HEAD^ |
| [11:36:12] | Beirdo: | that will pull off the one you want to keep |
| [11:36:19] | Beirdo: | then git stash |
| [11:36:27] | Beirdo: | so we keep it around |
| [11:36:37] | Beirdo: | then git reset HEAD^ |
| [11:36:45] | Beirdo: | to strip out the merge |
| [11:37:00] | Beirdo: | and once more to pull out the one you didn't want here |
| [11:37:30] | Beirdo: | then if you do git log, you should be at what was before your changes and the mistaken one |
| [11:39:15] | Beirdo: | let me know when you've confirmed that :) |
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| [11:39:42] | stuartm: | ok, we're all good, thanks |
| [11:39:50] | Beirdo: | almost there :) |
| [11:40:14] | Beirdo: | git status will likely be showing the change that you didn't want, correct? |
| [11:40:39] | stuartm: | heh, I'm ahead of you there, used git checkout to clear that |
| [11:40:47] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [11:40:48] | Beirdo: | OK |
| [11:40:57] | Beirdo: | and then git stash pop and recommit? |
| [11:41:58] | stuartm: | ok, pushed |
| [11:42:31] | stuartm: | for the sake of 5 characters on a single line it probably wasn't worth that hassle, but at least I know how to fix something similar in the future |
| [11:42:39] | Beirdo: | sweet :) |
| [11:42:56] | Beirdo: | yeah, once you push it, you basically have to push a reverting change |
| [11:43:03] | Beirdo: | but before it's pushed.. :) |
| [11:45:45] | stuartm: | huh, I thought git was really good with merges? It's refusing to merge on a pull because the exact same change is already in my tree ... isn't that a no-brainer? |
| [11:46:22] | Beirdo: | one would think. |
| [11:46:32] | Beirdo: | what's the issue? What file? |
| [11:46:42] | stuartm: | the include change I just pushed |
| [11:47:10] | stuartm: | I work with two trees, one which I apply patches to and build from for testing, and another I work in |
| [11:47:44] | stuartm: | so the include patch was in my build tree, pushed it from the work tree and then pulled in the build tree but it barfed |
| [11:47:45] | Beirdo: | well, the change isn't technically the same if committed to two different trees separately |
| [11:47:58] | stuartm: | it wasn't committed to the second tree |
| [11:48:05] | Beirdo: | ah |
| [11:48:08] | stuartm: | it was an uncommitted patch |
| [11:48:33] | Beirdo: | I would think it would work fine |
| [11:48:51] | Beirdo: | but I'm pretty much at the end of my usefulness now, being almost 4am |
| [11:49:00] | stuartm: | "error: Your local changes to the following files would be overwritten by merge:" "Please, commit your changes or stash them before you can merge." |
| [11:49:17] | Beirdo: | it was a new file? |
| [11:50:29] | Beirdo: | hmm, maybe stash, pull, stash pop. My brainpower is about zero though. If jannau is up, maybe he would be fresher :) |
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| [11:56:15] | Beirdo: | heh. *kdev* |
| [11:56:39] | Beirdo: | I hope nobody puts "kdev" in the middle of a filename like... mkdev.cpp |
| [11:56:43] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [11:57:08] | Beirdo: | if they do, they can tweak it at that point, I guess |
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| [12:01:06] | RSpliet: | Fedora 14 and MythTV 0.24: sound output sometimes is complete noise, sometimes just pops every so many seconds |
| [12:01:17] | Beirdo: | wrong channel |
| [12:01:36] | RSpliet: | darn, where should I go? rpmfusion? |
| [12:02:05] | Beirdo: | read /topic :) |
| [12:02:31] | RSpliet: | ah... not used to irssi... sorry (and tnx) |
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| [12:04:56] | Beirdo: | ok. sleep |
| [12:06:19] | stuartm: | Beirdo: aye, that regexp appeared in the old svnignore and nobody reported problems |
| [12:07:09] | stuartm: | probably would have been a good idea to copy the content of the svnignore over to the gitignore |
| [12:08:38] | Beirdo: | Aye, if you find others that are missing, by all means add them |
| [12:08:55] | stuartm: | I thought you were going to sleep? ;) |
| [12:09:06] | Beirdo: | I was just closing the laptop :) |
| [12:09:15] | Beirdo: | night. |
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| [12:29:47] | markk_: | stuartm: do you have any idea how hard it would be to remove the 'fixed' sizing and cacheing for images in the UI? (as I mentioned in an email to developers a while back) |
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| [13:10:30] | stuartm: | markk_: I'll have to re-read that email |
| [13:14:59] | markk_: | stuartm: it was just the one around opengl in general and I mentioned one of the biggest benefits we currently don't take advantage of with opengl/direct3d is to use the hardware to scale the bitmaps. if we do that, it also starts to open up lots of theming possibilities |
| [13:15:33] | stuartm: | ok |
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| [13:16:46] | stuartm: | so we do, or don't want to use the image scaling and cache for the GL painter? |
| [13:17:03] | stuartm: | it wouldn't be difficult to do one thing for GL and another for QT |
| [13:17:34] | stuartm: | we just shift the scaling/caching code into the painters |
| [13:20:27] | markk_: | stuartm: that sounds ideal. so if we just load the image as is for opengl and ask the hardware to scale, can we then have a cache of images at different sizes for qt? |
| [13:21:10] | stuartm: | yes |
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| [13:22:23] | Captain_Murdoch: | doc_dingus, it would be trivial to allow writing a file to a subdir in a Storage Group, we just need to check whether the path is there and create it if not. Writing to a remote Storage Group is easy, just open a RemoteFile in write mode and start writing to it. Being able to fire up a background process on a FE ripping a DVD back to the BE would be a nice feature to have. I'd like for all media to be importable that way. So |
| [13:22:23] | Captain_Murdoch: | perhaps this could be an 'import media' screen, not an 'import DVD' screen. It could eventually be used to import pictures off CDs or flash drives or memory cards, etc.. may want to ask others about that, but a single interface to go to import new media from a FE back into the core might be beneficial. |
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| [13:23:02] | stuartm: | if we transfer the responsibility for loading/scaling/caching away from MythUIHelper and into painter specific classes then it remains transparent to the widget and scalable should we ever want to add additional painters, QT users wouldn't see any difference |
| [13:23:23] | markk_: | stuartm: so if, for example, we have a zoom property, we can just tell the opengl painter to transition smoothly from 100% to 120% – but for qt it would be straight from 100% to 120% in one step |
| [13:27:37] | stuartm: | yeah, sounds about right |
| [13:27:45] | stuartm: | markk_: I'll work on that if you want |
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| [13:27:57] | stuartm: | moving the load/scale/cache |
| [13:30:15] | markk_: | stuartm: yes please :) |
| [13:38:45] | stuartm: | I'll start on it this weekend if I get time, still getting to grips with git |
| [13:40:00] | markk_: | thanks – bed time for me. 4.30am start tomorrow... |
| [13:43:42] | stuartm: | ouch |
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| [14:33:11] | danielk22: | hmm looks like we don't have the spam handling stuff installed yet on the new trac... |
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| [14:46:56] | stuartm: | xris: ^^ |
| [14:48:27] | stuartm: | if we can copy over the old bayes database that would be good too, saves having to retrain |
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| [15:04:41] | Cougar: | jannau: is your gir repository still available? |
| [15:04:46] | Cougar: | s/gir/git |
| [15:13:39] | Cougar: | nevermind, found https://github.com/MythTV/ :-) just need to fork my translation tree to it now |
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| [15:14:45] | stuartm: | Beirdo, xris: The trac<>github connection is broken? The timeline in trac ends yesterday, it's missing recent commits |
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| [18:02:43] | stuartm: | paul-h: just so you know I'm going to be making some large changes to cdrip, fixing some memory leaks, redesigning parts of the UI to make it less work to support non-blocking dialogues and improvements to the threading |
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| [18:47:11] | wagnerrp: | j-rod|afk: you around? |
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| [19:07:45] | kenni: | knightr: Yep, translation of themes will get messy :( Perhaps we should interface with the theme downloader and pull down all themes and extract their strings, when we generate the themestrings. I can't think of any other way to do it. |
| [19:15:28] | sphery: | kenni: that's the plan they discussed last night in #-theming |
| [19:16:02] | sphery: | since it would allow translation of any themes--versus just a few in a specific repo |
| [19:16:21] | kenni: | sphery: ok, I'm not following that channel..any conclusions? |
| [19:16:31] | kenni: | or does beirdobot log that channel? |
| [19:17:12] | kenni: | it does, I'll have a look at the backlog |
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| [19:17:27] | Beirdo: | It does, AFAIK |
| [19:18:04] | sphery: | yeah, basically, Captain_Murdoch has been planning modifications to allow the themestring tool to download the strings from all the themes so they can be put into the normal translation mechanism |
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| [19:24:41] | stuartm: | I still think we need to allow themes to ship with translations, three reasons – 1) it can take translators a while to finish translations and make them available 2) A new theme used against an older release won't be translated because the translations are only in 'trunk' 3) We have to consider themes that won't be available via our downloader for one reason or another |
| [19:25:29] | stuartm: | besides which I don't really think it's fair to ask themers to translation hundreds of additional strings for themes that might not even be used by anyone |
| [19:27:04] | kenni: | stuartm, that would create a bunch of extra work for the translators...then they would have to translate identical strings over and over again for each of the themes |
| [19:27:25] | stuartm: | kenni: I disagree, the concern over duplicate strings is easy to alleviate by use of tools which handle strings which already have a translation in another file and/or the use of the Phrase Book feature in QLinguist |
| [19:27:57] | stuartm: | er, Linguist, keep forgetting that there's no Q |
| [19:29:04] | sphery: | could something like contexts (or is that the wrong word for it) be used to specify which theme a string is for so translators can sort and/or choose to skip all strings for specific themes |
| [19:29:09] | stuartm: | it would be relatively simple to create a script which goes through the files and populates the strings which have been translated somewhere else, it could even be built into existing scripts like themestringtool |
| [19:29:55] | stuartm: | sphery: that deals with #4, but not #1-#3 |
| [19:32:04] | sphery: | true--not saying your plan is bad, just that it might be nice to provide information that allows the translators to decide which to translate, using their best judgment (and regardless of approach we use for distributing translations) |
| [19:34:34] | ** Captain_Murdoch doesn't know how the translation files work or how they are searched, etc., but in the future, we could allow downloading of updated translation files or additions to translation files if that's possible. ** | |
| [19:37:42] | stuartm: | Captain_Murdoch: that would be possible, although we could only offer forwards compatibility unless we never stripped old unused translations out of the files, which might be acceptable but increase their overall size |
| [19:38:34] | Captain_Murdoch: | can you load multiple translation files at one time? |
| [19:39:21] | stuartm: | at the very least we'd want to think hard about splitting up the translation file into smaller chunks – one per application/theme etc if only because it would massively reduce the bandwidth consumption when delivering those updates |
| [19:39:22] | Captain_Murdoch: | ie, the frontend loads the normal one, but then can load from ~/.mythtv/translations/blah |
| [19:39:35] | stuartm: | Captain_Murdoch: yes |
| [19:39:44] | stuartm: | we already do that for the plugins |
| [19:40:22] | stuartm: | so you could provide deltas, just not too many as you don't want the overhead of opening hundreds of files at frontend startup |
| [19:41:15] | Captain_Murdoch: | ok, so pretty flexible then. I'm just thinking the stock version plus an updated file downloaded off mythtv.org. updated file could be for a specific theme or updates to the main translations. |
| [19:43:52] | Captain_Murdoch: | I agree on your comment above about translating themes that might never by used by someone needing that translation. we could get intelligent and try to do it for only the more popular themes based on rating or download count (could have people hit a link on our site and get redirected to the main ftp download for the actual file). |
| [19:44:41] | Captain_Murdoch: | that could also allow us to serve themes immediately after upload without having to wait for the ftp site rsync. |
| [19:45:35] | ** Captain_Murdoch has to run, but isn't giving a whole lot of thought to the translation stuff, it's just something I knew we'd want to solve so it's in the back of my mind. I defer to others more up to speed on how the translation parts work for guidance. :) ** | |
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| [20:18:07] | knightr: | kenni, sorry was afk, I just mentionned that it would be a concern with themes being pulled out of the repo and we discussed possible avenues and problems that could be encountered... |
| [20:20:08] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: looks like we need to retrain trac |
| [20:25:41] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: aye, unless xris or Beirdo can copy over the old bayes database |
| [20:26:04] | stuartm: | the spam plugin is awol atm |
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| [20:49:51] | stuartm: | huh, when was I made an admin on mythtv-commits? |
| [20:50:30] | stuartm: | well in that case, all unsubscribed emails go to /dev/null |
| [20:50:53] | kenni: | stuartm: if you think it's doable, then it works for me :) I would love to be able to strip out some of the hacks in the script calling the themestrings tool |
| [20:51:27] | stuartm: | wait, I'm not an admin on that list, so why am I getting the bounce spam? |
| [20:52:38] | Anduin: | xris: thanks |
| [20:52:38] | stuartm: | kenni: it's doable, just needs someone to write the script, which will probably be me :/ |
| [20:53:52] | kenni: | s/doable/doable and worth the effort/ |
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| [20:54:20] | xris: | stuartm: you're on the webmaster alias, which now owns things |
| [20:54:30] | xris: | er, sysadmin alias... |
| [20:55:12] | stuartm: | xris: ah ok then, so any objection to having unsubscribed emails to -commits be discarded without notification? Seems to make sense since it's a read-only list |
| [20:55:46] | xris: | stuartm: the bounceback messages we get are not entirely related to unsub notifications... or are they? |
| [20:55:55] | xris: | but I don't have an issue with that. |
| [20:56:25] | xris: | honestly, it should be a distribution list, not a mailing list.. only 1–2 addresses allowed to post |
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| [20:59:20] | stuartm: | oh, you're right, yeah they are being sent direct to commits-bounces@ |
| [21:00:52] | stuartm: | well I'll make those changes anyway, as you say it's a distribution list |
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| [21:06:13] | knightr: | stuartm, kenni: If the themes ship will translations how will translators interact with the themers to add these translation to these themes (or are were going to scrape every translatable word from the ones offered by the downloader, let the translators translate them in the current translation files and then make a translation file for that theme?) |
| [21:07:53] | stuartm: | knightr: likely the latter, but there will be some themers who are multi-lingual, others who arrange their own translations, especially at the commercial end of things |
| [21:08:33] | Anduin: | stuartm: ticket lock plugin sent to your tase address |
| [21:08:59] | stuartm: | Anduin: thanks |
| [21:09:41] | stuartm: | note that I'm not arguing that all themes need to include their translation files in the tarball, only that we leave that option open, take the Arabic themes and translations which I know for a fact exist |
| [21:09:52] | wagnerrp: | didnt you also have some blocklist? |
| [21:09:56] | wagnerrp: | IP blocklist |
| [21:11:00] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: yeah there was an ip blacklist component, used some remote spam blacklists, never saw it working so I assumed that the server settings precluded it connecting to those |
| [21:11:07] | knightr: | stuartm, not that I have a problem with it, just wondering how it would/could work... Only problem I can see is if the translators want to change their translation (because of typos, incorrrect translations, etc...) |
| [21:11:20] | wagnerrp: | i saw it working plenty |
| [21:11:35] | wagnerrp: | at least a couple messages per week would get picked up by it |
| [21:11:37] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: ok, maybe I'm remembering wrong |
| [21:11:45] | stuartm: | or I just missed them |
| [21:12:01] | knightr: | stuartm, any idea why they are not submitted to be included (the Arabic translations), are they commercial in nature? |
| [21:13:30] | stuartm: | knightr: I really don't know, I got the impression that it was semi-commercial but not professional in any way, just some Egyptian users trying to make some money |
| [21:13:45] | stuartm: | they submitted some patches back to us, but not the themes or translations |
| [21:14:17] | knightr: | stuartm, hmm, that's unfortunate... |
| [21:15:10] | stuartm: | yeah |
| [21:15:56] | knightr: | maybe I'll ask one of my colleagues if he can dig up any info on that (he read/speaks Arabic, English and French...) |
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| [21:49:54] | kenni: | stuartm, knightr, I share the same concern, we should really be able to update the translations ourselves. We can't/shouldn't expect 3rd party themers to update their packages every time we want to update some translations. Since we repack all themes and store them on ftp.osuosl.org for the downloader, we *could* inject the translation files when we generate the files there. |
| [21:50:01] | kenni: | But then we could just as well store the translation files within git, eg. themetranslations/mythbuntu_1.0_de.ts |
| [21:52:22] | stuartm: | the translation could exist external to the themes themselves, and if we add support for downloading theme updates then whenever the user downloaded 'Metallurgy' from the theme download it would automatically download 'Metallurgy.ts' as well |
| [21:54:01] | kenni: | good, as long as we don't depend on the themer to manually include it in his theme |
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| [21:55:05] | kenni: | ...then we should be fine |
| [21:56:07] | stuartm: | s/theme updates/translation updates/ |
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| [22:11:33] | knightr: | stuartm, kenni fine by me too... |
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| [22:21:03] | xris: | yeah, we need to have a larger discussion about themes soon.... |
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